From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #239 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, May 8 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 239 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni on drugs [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: Joni and drugs ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni on drugs [Deb Messling ] My First Post ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] JONI ON RADIOWOODSTOCK TODAY AT 1:00 PM EDT [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: Passion Play and Liberation Theology-njc [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: NJC: Joni and the Dalai Lama [Catherine McKay ] Joni Mitchell Tapes & Snfu [mann@chicagonet.net] Michael's take on Passion Play [Bounced Message ] Jesus Christ, tell me you're kidding [Bounced Message ] late BSN thoughts and the orchestra album [Bern44105@aol.com] Favorite Careers (NJC) ["James L. Leonard" ] JMDL Digest v2000 #231 [Bern44105@aol.com] Re: NJC Re: long live Joni cheese! (Cheese in general) [Siresorrow@aol.c] Joni & Larry Klein Info [mann@chicagonet.net] VH1's Top 100 Women in Rock [Greg Dudichum ] Tofu Joni (was:Re: Joni and drugs) [Gellerray@aol.com] BSN tour [Bounced Message ] mom, NJC [Treehuggergirl25@aol.com] Cold Duck (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Favorite Careers (NJC) ["Alison Einerson" ] Re: Favorite Careers (NJC) [Treehuggergirl25@aol.com] Tickets for LA show 5/12 [GREYC1@aol.com] Re: Jesus Christ, tell me you're kidding [Catherine McKay ] Re: The next album ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: Jesus Christ, tell me you're kidding [catman ] RE: Joni & Larry Klein Info ["Wally Kairuz" ] pair for 5/22 [Bounced Message ] Re: Favorite Careers (NJC) [catman ] Joni on Leno Scratched??? [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Joni's NEW orchestral album of ORIGINAL songs! [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: Joni Mitchell Tapes & Snfu ["Sara *" ] Joni's NEW orchestral album of ORIGINAL songs ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] Ben Taylor coming out with debut album (NJC) [mann@chicagonet.net] SNFU (sjc) ["Alison Einerson" ] Re: Joni on Leno Scratched??? [Brian Gross ] Re: Joni's NEW orchestral album of ORIGINAL songs [zapuppy2@webtv.net (P] Re: Favorite Careers (NJC) [Jason Maloney ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 00:46:32 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Joni on drugs Paul I wrote: <> "Kicking her drug habit"? Maybe I'm a little too liberal in my thinking, but this sounds a bit severe to me. So what if Joan smoked some weed, and occasionally tooted a little coke with her musician friends? That doesn't constitute having to "kick a drug habit" in my book. And I've been under the impression for years that Hejira came about mostly from her meditations on her solo drive home from the East Coast (after driving there with friends) because "it was her car" and someone had to get it back. I've never seen Hejira or her definition of "running away in honor" as running away from a drug scene. "Hejira" just fit the traveling theme to the album. Although in a much deeper sense, it wouldn't surprise me if the definition "running away in honor" still was how she felt about having to give up Kilauren. I'll forever believe *that* has affected her profoundly......which in turn, drove her more deeply into her art....including the insightful lyrics on the album Hejira. Just rambling on a Sunday night. Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 00:53:06 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni and drugs Paul wrote: >It is my understanding from reading her interviews, lyrics and such that Hejira was mostly written >NOT while she was ON drugs, but while she was kicking her drug habit. She went on the Hejira to get >away from LA and the prevalent drug scene. Gee, that's not what I recall reading on the JMDL searchable archives. Can you point us to the interview, Paul? I recall her saying she wrote two songs on coke, one of them was Song for Sharon, written while she was on the Hejira. The context of the interview was whether drug use made one more creative. Joni's opinion was that it was bunk, at least from her own experience. She has stated repeatedly that she has never tried heroin. Kakki NP: Joni - BSN ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 06:55:21 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Joni on drugs >I searched the JMDL article database for references to cocaine, and found >this Joni quote: >Oh yeah, I tried everything. Well, I never tried heroin because I thought, "What's the point? The worst that could happen would be you'd like it. But altered consciousness is completely tempting to a writer. I did some good writing, I think, on cocaine - Song For Sharon (Hejira) - but it kills your heart, takes all your energy, puts it up in your brain and gives you the arrogance that, you know, ruined Jaco Pastorius. I didn't find anything that indicated Joni had a "habit." In fact, she made a couple of references to people "protecting" her from drugs while everyone around her was doing them. BTW, as to searching JMDL: there are archives of the list, but the archives are not searchable. And there is no FAQ on the page. So there is no reasonable way for a person to determine what has been discussed before. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 07:56:41 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: My First Post <> Welcome to the Jonilist, Frederick! <> You'll have to try and make a Jonifest sometime - there's a Memorial Day fest in New Orleans this year, and a Labor Day Fest around Boston. Great outlets for learning more about playing Joni and also a good chance to share your own music with an appreciative crowd. <> Say no more, Frederick! I can hook you up with the Covers collection, now 3 Volumes & 6 CD's strong! E-mail me back and we'll work on getting you set. That goes too for any other newbies or anyone else who's interested in the Covers stuff, or if you feel like your original request slipped through a crack somewhere... <> And we're glad you're here...and hey, if you don't step on any toes here, you're not even trying! :~) Bob NP(Now Playing): "All I Want", Music Academy 1972 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 08:14:29 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: JONI ON RADIOWOODSTOCK TODAY AT 1:00 PM EDT FYI: Went to JoniMitchell.com this morning and here's what Jim had put on the page: "Add a little Joni to your day: Sorry for the short notice, but I just received word that Joni will be interviewed on RadioWoodstock.com's Organic channel TODAY at 1 PM EDT. Here's the notice: JONI MITCHELL speaks intimately on the making of her new album, Both Sides Now, which she has called "a history of love in the twentieth century." Hear why the 71-piece back-up orchestra wept during recording session playbacks. Webcast at 1 p.m. ET on RadioWoodstock.com's Organic Channel. I hope they archive the interview so those of us who missed it will be able to listen to it later! I'll let you know if they do. To listen to the RadioWoodstock.com broadcast, follow the link below: JONI'S RADIOWOODSTOCK.COM INTERVIEW" http://www.radiowoodstock.com/ Joni Mitchell Speaks! Pop/folk/rock/jazz singer's monologue on the making of her new album, on RadioWoodstock's Organic Channel by Todd Paul Who: Joni Mitchell What: Monologue on RadioWoodstock’s Organic channel When: Monday, May 8, 1 p.m. ET With Both Sides Now, her new release on Reprise Records, Joni Mitchell has achieved something extraordinary. The artist—she painted all the CD cover and insert illustrations, as well as creating the music—has blown new life into a collection of exquisite old chestnuts dating to the twenties, thirties and forties. More than that, she has arranged her material to “trace the arc of a modern romantic relationship,” from the initial “You’re My Thrill” through “Sometimes I’m Happy” to the concluding title song. Mitchell herself penned only two of these pieces, and none of them are new; but like any artist, Mitchell’s job is to make them new. This she does. Even her previously-released material, the title song and “A Case Of You,” are re-recorded here in new settings, with new feeling. The entire album features jazzy and orchestral settings, courtesy of the London Symphony Orchestra, Herbie Hancock and Wayne Shorter, and Mitchell’s voice here is of the caliber of Sarah Vaughan. We always knew the lady could sing jazz; anyone who remembers “Twisted,” from Court And Spark, won’t be surprised by the resonant timbre of Mitchell’s voice. What’s new here is a wholesale embrace of the music for itself and in the service of the cd’s concept. Mitchell is singing songs she loves here, regardless of their age, source or popularity. After 20 albums and 30 years of writing, recording and performing, Joni Mitchell deserved to make this album. We deserve to hear it. If you’re interested in the process an artist like Mitchell goes through in making an album, you’re in luck; we have Mitchell’s own words describing that process. Tune in to RadioWoodstock’s Organic Channel Monday, May 8, at 1 p.m. for a monologue by Mitchell on the making of Both Sides Now. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm on digest so if anyone else posted this I haven't seen it..........sorry for the double post. Laura **TODAY'S FREEBIES BELOW** (NJC) Be one of the first 10,000 callers for a free Bordan Cheese coupon (12 oz pkg). Call 1-800-467-7759 The first 1500 people to request a Kit will also receive free relaxation gel mask! Motrin Migraine Relief Kit: http://www.motrin.com/products/migraine/migraine_kit.htm Sports Gear Bag (great for travel!) Instant Win Sweeps Call: 1-877-444-2266 (a UPC # you can use is 04845) One call per UPC#, per phone, per day. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:31:22 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Passion Play and Liberation Theology-njc In a message dated 5/6/00 6:41:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << It seems to me that if you love yourself, love others and love Good, then you are Xtian. This is what Jesus said. The rest, ie the church, the dogma, the creed, religion ect is all far removed from that. What is your heart and your actions are what counts not what you believe or can quote. I think Joni understands that. >> i had to do some work in the new testament this weekend and i saw this: if someone has the means and sees another in need and refuses compassion, how can the love of god remain in him? let's love not in word or speech, but in deed and truth. 1john3:18 i enjoyed the piece on liberation theology. its been a long time since i read about that but there is one thing i'm remembering and it has to do with violence and i'm not sure that the community of liberation thinkers were in agreement upon what role if any violence played into their thinking. you know, i'm talking now about the late 70's in central america when mayrknoll missioners were getting shot and raped every month. i think a more refined theology on oppression is the one desmund tutu layed out in south africa. his main belief is that god does not stop sin, but over time, god can help overturn oppression. but time is essential and i'm not sure the real liberation theologians were so patient as bishop tutu. i saw once right here on this list something toward the quote that both colin and the writer of john shared. in one weeked maybe a year or so ago i emailed with a jmdler about job's sad song and he shared with me a story about how he lost a lover to aids seven years ago. and how he was not sure what he really believed at all about god, but that particular song brought back very strong memories of that loss and made it too difficult listen to. that same weeked i saw jerry falwell on tv doing this thing about the gay agenda and he was mailing out pamphlets about how the wicked gay community was trying to take over society. and of course, how aids was god's correction to the gay community. and then that same day, at church, they read the story of the good samaritin, who was someone who had stopped to help a sick person while not being sure at all about what he believed. and in the same story is the pharasiee, who was the visible one, the educated one, the ordained one, who knew and saw and lived his faith in god as he walked right by the sick man lying suffering on the road. and i saw in real life that same story lived out. the good gay man, not really sure about what he believed at all, helping the suffering friend through death's doors while the big tv preacher walked right by, confident in god's judgement. i personally think time is of the essence in godly things. seven years ago someone suffered a pain so great they shudder to think about it. seven years later, someone he never even met is able to live life with all the love and joy the world has to offer because of the redeeming qualities he has been allowed to see in the preciousness of this man's loss. and that love and joy spreads like wild fire and no tv's or pamphlets will ever come close to it. and no one will ever know how liberating that really was. and now i'm thinking of another man's words on this list once in an unrelated subject but apply very well to our visible one, mr rev. jerry falwell... yuck, and fuck you. pat np. clapton - old love ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:48:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC: Joni and the Dalai Lama - --- catman wrote: > > > > you know, i hope Joni, you know, doesn't, you know, > have this really, > you know, irritating habit, when , you know, she speaks. She does use "you know" a lot. So do most people (or other similar expressions). It's part of the built-in redundancy of oral speech. Gives the speaker time to form their next thought, and the listener time to take it in. If you're listening, you probably wouldn't notice - on the other hand, if you were transcribing this into written form, IMO, you should take most of these out - writing something out "verbatim" doesn't mean you have to include all this oddities of the spoken language, since they don't add anything to the meaning. I might leave a few in, scattered about here and there, just to make it seem more like "spoken" English, but too many of them and it gets, you know, like, uh, kind of, sort of annoying, like, y'know. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:53:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: TNT Tribute - late as usual - and a request - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > On an unrelated note, I'm going to ask for your good > thoughts & > prayers for my mother. She recently had a lump > removed from her > breast that is cancerous. They seem to have caught > it fairly early > and the prognosis is good. The cancer had not > radiated at the site. > Next Wednesday she will have lymph nodes from her > armpit examined to > see if there is anything there. Please send a > positive thought her > way if you think about it. She is 77 years old and > my father is > pretty much dependent on her these days. She will > be having radiation > somewhere down the line. > All my best thoughts and prayers are with you and your mother (and your father too) at this time. I've been there. I know what that's like. Good luck to all of you and take care. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:33:29 -0400 From: Greg Dudichum Subject: 8 Track Tapes Found on eBay I don't remember who, but someone was so upset that they had sold their old Joni 8-tracks, I'm passing this info along. I've been actively bidding on many Joni things up for auction on eBay and winning! Just today I noticed there are three Joni 8-tracks up for bid ending today @ 2 PM PDT. Here's a link to the page that anyone can see but you must register with a password in order to bid. There is no cost to bidders and no CC necessary. http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&SortProperty= MetaEndSort&ht=1&query=joni+mitchell Good luck, Greg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 09:38:32 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Joni Mitchell Tapes & Snfu Is anyone familiar with the group Snfu and their song "Joni Mitchell Tapes" off their Something Green and Leafy This Way Comes album??? I was checking out http://mystreams-reg.ss.com/Register.asp because if you register at their website you can get either a free Mission Impossible 2 soundtrack or tickets to see the movie. They have a limit of 50,000 each (so HURRY if you're interested). Anyways, they have 10 pages of Joni and I found this on the 10th page. Couldn't get the sound bite to work on their page but found a little of it on CDNow's website. http://hallmall.com/cgi-bin/redirect/go2.cgi?search=SNFU&site=MUSIC Couldn't make out the lyrics on the small bit they played. Anyone familar with this????? Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 08:38:09 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Michael's take on Passion Play Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 22:34:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Stoy Michael, Thanks for your interpretation of "Passion Play"-- I thought it was very interesting. I remembered the Biblical aspects (such as the Zaccheus reference) from going to church and Sunday school as a kid, but the way you tied everything together with capitalism made for a really nice analysis... And the following? "I've always found it amazing that right-wing Christians think they're following Jesus. His sympathies were clearly with the poor and the downtrodden, whereas fundamentalists tend to be pro-business and to oppose any government programs that assist the poor." Absolutely! I've thought about that so many times over the years! Erin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 08:37:23 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Jesus Christ, tell me you're kidding Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 22:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Stoy Paul IV wrote: "I suppose I expect men to show a little more intelligence when it comes to computer agility. I also expect men to be able to handle my directness more easily." My mouth dropped open when I read this post-- it's the most ignorant thing I've heard in a very long time. I don't know how old YOU are, man, but I am in my mid-20s and in my generation, people don't think like that anymore. My female colleagues and I are QUITE computer literate. Why in the world would you hold men to a higher standard? I am in grad school for my MBA, and FYI, the women in the class that graduated this afternoon SWEPT the academic awards. Furthermore, to touch on your second "point," I'm as much of a hard-ass as any guy I know. Women are not delicate little creatures. I should think Joni would be appalled to hear such talk. Erin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:45:18 EDT From: Bern44105@aol.com Subject: late BSN thoughts and the orchestra album David Wright says: <> David, an extraordinarily insightful post from start to finish... The above excerpt is of such an order of discernment that I feel a sense of urgency that Joni read it, herself. You make acute observations that could be useful to her. As for me - quite aside from agreeing with your commentary - it's the perspicuity of the post that keeps me scrolling through the digest when the topic turns to "piza schitt". Bern Giordano (Cleveland) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:50:49 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Favorite Careers (NJC) I'd be interested in learning which recording artists are list members' favorites (after Joni, of course), and whose careers have been studied with as much (or, *almost* as much) interest. Please list your top five or ten, and, if you're so inclined, write a little rationale after each artist. The answers would be fascinating. They might also lead me (and others) to new discoveries, or, in a lot of cases, re-discoveries and re-examinations. I'll start. "These are a few of my favorite"...*careers*, in alphabetical order (Joni not included): Eric Clapton John Coltrane Miles Davis Bob Dylan Pat Metheny Van Morrison Neil Young Thanks! :-) "Boston Jim" NP: Terence Blanchard, The Heart Speaks, "Nocturna" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:55:50 EDT From: Bern44105@aol.com Subject: JMDL Digest v2000 #231 Wally K, you are truly the leaven in the lump. Paul wrote: > This week, however, with a broken tooth and a broken relationship, I have > little patience for people. Then Wally K wrote: >are the two events related? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:59:07 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: long live Joni cheese! (Cheese in general) In a message dated 5/7/00 8:30:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << No, but I DO have Tom's version of Prince's "Kiss" that he did with Art of Noise, which is a lot of fun, and the cover of "Tennessee Waltz" he does on The Chieftains "Long Black Veil". You sure can't mistake that voice, I just can't take him seriously as a singer though... >> i mentioned that dave matthews live cd and i dont' have it here with me, but he does a version of Long Black Veil, and what a great song and what a great job he does with it. pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 10:00:50 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Joni & Larry Klein Info Here's a place I haven't been to before. There's alot of info on Joni and Larry Klein. In the past I couldn't find anything about Larry..........so this was a nice find for me. At the bottom of the page you can rate the artist too. Check it out. Go To: http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll Larry Klein info. http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?p=amg&sql=B94414 Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:20:19 -0400 From: Greg Dudichum Subject: VH1's Top 100 Women in Rock I watched the last hour of 100 women in rock yesterday (Sunday) because the RockonTV site listed Joni in the description. According to VH1, the top 100 were chosen by other women artists. So it has some validity to it. The top 5 were: #5-Joni Mitchell #4-Bonnie Raitt #3-Janis Joplin #2-Tina Turner #1-Aretha Franklin They only spent a few minutes on each. 13:30 for all five. The clip of Joni at the piano playing Woodstock is from the video "Celebration at Big Sur." If you missed it, it will probably be on again VH1 is like that so watch for it. The whole series is five hours long. Joni@ E-Center Camden, NJ June 2nd-can't wait!! Bye, Greg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:25:58 EDT From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Tofu Joni (was:Re: Joni and drugs) In a message dated 5/8/00 4:04:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << Gee, that's not what I recall reading on the JMDL searchable archives. Can you point us to the interview, Paul? I recall her saying she wrote two songs on coke, one of them was Song for Sharon, written while she was on the Hejira. The context of the interview was whether drug use made one more creative. Joni's opinion was that it was bunk, at least from her own experience. She has stated repeatedly that she has never tried heroin. >> all true from my memory of things read...there is an entire musician magazine devoted to artists, creativity and drugs and in it joni talks about smoking a little pot to get past writing road blocks--but then she says "you've only got about 15 good minutes..." and that if you do it everyday it loses its ability to help you transcend. (I am in finals now and can't look for the exact quotes). But as for Hejira I do also recall reading her say that after the madness of Rolling Thunder she needed to sort of clean up and that she "quit everything but cigarettes." She talks about eating at health food stores across america then too. Those are the things I remember on this subject having just woken up to it and done a fuzzy-headed personal joni archives search. r ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 09:27:09 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: BSN tour From: "Yael Harlap" Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:24:32 GMT Hello all- I've been happily lurking for about a week - this list is so lovely and erudite! I'm glad to have come across it. I am a pretty recent Joni-phile, really, but getting quite intense about it... and I am so excited because I splurged and bought a ticket to see her play at Pine Knob in Detroit!! It isn't a particularly good seat, but at least I'll be there and so will the Woman herself. I can't complain. :) I am a little nervous about whether I'll like the whole orchestra thing - I listened to part of BSN at a record store, and I didn't really have a chance to warm up to it. I wonder whether Joni will perform any of her own stuff at the concert (besides ACOY - one of my favorite songs and I too found the orchestral arrangement cheesy - and BSN). Crossing my fingers for Amelia - my current favorite. Anyhow, is anyone on this list going to the Pine Knob show?? I am in a tricky situation as I don't have a car and don't know anyone else going... If anyone here is going from Ann Arbor (or nearby) please consider taking me along for the ride! I'm good company :) Soon I'm going to start postering Ann Arbor, begging for a ride! Thanks, all - happy to have found you! - -Yael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:15:11 EDT From: Treehuggergirl25@aol.com Subject: mom, NJC my thoughts are right there with you both. - -angela On an unrelated note, I'm going to ask for your good > thoughts & > prayers for my mother. She recently had a lump > removed from her > breast that is cancerous. They seem to have caught > it fairly early > and the prognosis is good. The cancer had not > radiated at the site. > Next Wednesday she will have lymph nodes from her > armpit examined to > see if there is anything there. Please send a > positive thought her > way if you think about it. She is 77 years old and > my father is > pretty much dependent on her these days. She will > be having radiation > somewhere down the line. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 09:18:56 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Cold Duck (NJC) Kakki wrote: >Ah geez, the older boys always told me it was a fine champagne for special >occasions. Busted! :) > And Gene, those same boys always drank Red Mountain out of a > Boda bag (gawd, remember those?!) Now, a boda bag was how I used to smuggle wine into concerts. I would wear it down my back, with the strap round my neck. I would wear some beads or a chain as camouflage - I always got through security. >They offered us Sloe Gin with Coca Cola or Bali Hai instead ;-D Many years ago, a bunch of us went camping in Yosemite, pooled our money and gave one guy the cash to buy food for the weekend. Arrived as dawn broke, loking forward to a really good breakfast...opened up the bags only to discover that Greg had spent all our money on Sloe Gin and 7-Up. It wasn't funny at the time... :) ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 10:29:41 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Favorite Careers (NJC) ooh, this is good. because of this list, i have learned of many excellent artists who i may not have heard of otherwise. so here is my list (other than joni, of course): ani difranco -whose music is so orginal, so filled with emotion and honesty and heart that you can't help but be energized in a way. not to mention the fact that she controls her own fate through "righteous babe" patty larkin -one of the most gifted guitarists in the world, imho. also a brilliant songwriter. christine lavin -humor and intelligence, plus who doesn't love an artist that will paint your fingernails with sparkles before her concert? rem-i don't know if i need to say much about these guys, except that the earlier stuff is still what i listen to most. nancy griffith john gorka- more contemporary "folkies" who whose talents are immense yet no one knows who they are. my 2˘ (yeah, okay that's about a dollars' worth...) alison. - ---------- >From: "James L. Leonard" >To: "Joni List" >Subject: Favorite Careers (NJC) >Date: Mon, May 8, 2000, 11:50 AM > >I'd be interested in learning which recording artists are list members' >favorites (after Joni, of course), and whose careers have been studied with >as much (or, *almost* as much) interest. > >Please list your top five or ten, and, if you're so inclined, write a little >rationale after each artist. > >The answers would be fascinating. They might also lead me (and others) to >new discoveries, or, in a lot of cases, re-discoveries and re-examinations. > >I'll start. "These are a few of my favorite"...*careers*, in alphabetical >order (Joni not included): > >Eric Clapton >John Coltrane >Miles Davis >Bob Dylan >Pat Metheny >Van Morrison >Neil Young > >Thanks! :-) > >"Boston Jim" > >NP: Terence Blanchard, The Heart Speaks, "Nocturna" > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:22:27 EDT From: Treehuggergirl25@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite Careers (NJC) 1 .arlo guthrie 2. cat stevens 3. nick drake 4. macha 5. jimmy eat world 6. sunny day real estate/jeremy enigk 7. grateful dead 8. david bowie 9. CSNY 10. six going on seven ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:28:28 EDT From: GREYC1@aol.com Subject: Tickets for LA show 5/12 Is anyone interested in 2 tickets to the 5/12 show at the Greek Theatre? The price is $52.00 ($48.50 + $3.50 fac chrg - whatever that is) per ticket. They are in section Rear C, Row L, Seats 26 + 28. If interested please email me: greyc1@aol.com. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:30:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jesus Christ, tell me you're kidding - --- Bounced Message wrote: > Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 22:04:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: Erin Stoy > > Paul IV wrote: > "I suppose I expect men to show a little more > intelligence when it comes to computer agility. I > also > expect men to be able to handle my directness more > easily." > > My mouth dropped open when I read this post-- it's > the > most ignorant thing I've heard in a very long time. > I > don't know how old YOU are, man, but I am in my > mid-20s and in my generation, people don't think > like > that anymore. My female colleagues and I are QUITE > computer literate. Why in the world would you hold > men to a higher standard? I am in grad school for my > MBA, and FYI, the women in the class that graduated > this afternoon SWEPT the academic awards. > Furthermore, to touch on your second "point," I'm as > much of a hard-ass as any guy I know. Women are not > delicate little creatures. I should think Joni > would > be appalled to hear such talk. > Erin The "good" side of me tries to argue that he's kidding. The "bad" side of me has a hard time believing that. I'm hoping it was meant as a joke (that failed.) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:24:38 -0000 From: "alan larson" Subject: Re: Favorite Careers (NJC) Favorite careers: chronological order 1. James Taylor--my first lp, Mud Slide Slim and Sweet Baby James totally committed to memory, self-titled lp now my favorite with Rainy Day Man, Something's Wrong, and some great acoustic segues, as in a very delightful short arrangement of Greensleeves. 2. Gordon Lightfoot--perhaps my biggest idol in my youth...found his music very accessible to me as a youthful performer... very sweet melodies. I heard If You Could Read My Mind done in hip-hop once, and it was pretty rad, from a movie I can't remember. I was absolutely mesmerized by Don Quixote at the age of 18. 3. Carole King--What can I say? She gave a concert in Mpls once and came out for the second set and sat on the stage and played guitar all by herself. A great great songwriting team, she and Geoff Goffin, I believe. Or is it Gerald? Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow? It's Too Late, You've Got a Friend. 4. Phil Ochs--not much of a career to follow by the time I discovered him, but did get to talk to him once, and loved the way each of his songs had something to say. If you've never heard Crucifixion on his Pleasures of the Harbor lp, you are truly missing an incredible experience. I heard his Draft Dodger Rag on the John Denver movie last week, and have performed that one for 28 years. 5. Kenny Rankin--Silver Sky lp one of my all time favs. He does some great love songs as well as some upbeat Calypso type rhythms. 6. Simon and Garfunkel--a huge impact on my emerging identity in the early 70's. America, Sounds of Silence, I am a Rock, April Come She Will, and Old Friends perhaps my favorites. Very accessible for an amateur musician, and great for singalongs. 7. Jim Croce--"so I'll have to say I love you... in a song." So true of so many people these days. Lover's Cross, Time in a Bottle, Leroy Brown, Box #10, New York's Not My Home among those I've performed. 8. Michael Johnson--There is a Breeze and For All You Mad Musicians, two of his early folk albums, have just recently been released again on cd. These are pre-Bluer than Blue. www.mjbluer.com 9. Dan Fogelberg--Wysteria and The River are both haunting and one in a million. 10. Bruce Cockburn--Whenever I feel the need to hear something incredible yet new to me, I order one of his cd's. He has at least 20 by now, I think. His message is strident and topical, but his melodies are catchy and memorable. He continues in the tradition of Phil. 11. David Wilcox--I first heard his Eye of the Hurricane in 90, but have played his Rusty Ol American Dream for kids quite often, and just two weeks ago heard it on a public tv station in a video made glorifying the old cars of the 40's and 50's. Wish I had recorded it. Kindness is perhaps my favorite love song of all time, off his Turning Point cd. 12. I've left off quite a few, including Joan Armatrading, Mary Black, Chris Rea, Jackson Browne, Kebmo, Elton John's early stuff, Michael Franks, Shawn Colvin, Natalie Merchant, Tom Waits, Bonnie Raitt, and several more I'm sure. Thanks for the thread... I enjoyed it. alan in ames ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 10:46:50 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: The next album > Twenty years later, the CD-buying public is still not ready for some white > Canadian chick to try to sing jazz So what does that make Diana Krall? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 19:50:39 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Jesus Christ, tell me you're kidding Erin and Catherine-I too noticed this post and was well... nbver mind but I debated as to whether to say anything or not and decided not as I didn't want to be accused of causing a riot as usual! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 15:04:41 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Jesus Christ, tell me you're kidding (NJC) I guess this gives a whole new meaning to the JC only list :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:06:28 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: New midi file I found a new midi file which I suppose could be considered a Joni tune. Goodbye Pork Pie Hat, find it here- http://millennium.fortunecity.com/sherwood/452/midi.htm Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:36:27 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni & Larry Klein Info does anybody know larry klein's birthday? wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:37:10 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: pair for 5/22 From: "Steven Braunstein" Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:56:30 +400 I have a pair for 5/22, Theater at Madison Square Garden. Section 200, Row Y, Seats 19 & 20. At cost: $177. Email: ferretco@goes.com Steve The Braunsteins ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 20:42:32 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Favorite Careers (NJC) Well as you know my other really favourite singer is Carly Simon. Not knowing anything about music itself, ie guitars and piano's etc, i can't waffle on about it. I love her because she moves me and always has. Carly's album, Anticipation was the first album I ever bought back in 74 and I fell in love there and then and still am in love now. her voice gives me goosebumps, shivers down my spine and a lump in my thorat or she can make my soul soar. I love the tunes, the words-she can be very funny and wicked-and she also cuts right thru to the bones with her words. Nearly all of her songs are about relationships and people, in fact all of them are. I also am into Janis Ian, Dar Williams, Tracy Chapman. I find them relaxing and thought provoking. And Donna Summer who makes me want to dance, her voice is good and her songa are cheeky and melodious and rythmic. I have notheing of hers after She Works Hard For The Money. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:59:49 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Joni on Leno Scratched??? Hi y'all! I just went to RockOnTv and after no longer seeing Joni listed for the tonight's Tonight Show, went to the Tonight Show web page. Geez, it looks like Joni has cancelled for tonight. Now Leno's page lists Brad Paisley as the musical guest for this evening. (Joni's name doesn't appear for anytime this week.) I'll be watching with VCR ready just in case. ;-( Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:01:59 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Joni's NEW orchestral album of ORIGINAL songs! Wally, I'm still looking for the answer to your question ............let me know if you find it first! While looking tho ..............LOOK WHAT I FOUND: Go to: http://www.worldsend.com/news.html Scroll down to LARRY KLEIN: "Larry is currently working on a new JONI MITCHELL orchestral album of original songs" Maybe we'll be treated to a new song at the concerts!!!!! Hey, Bob............guess Joni isn't going to concentrate on her paintings only! ha! Laura :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:12:09 EDT From: "Sara *" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Tapes & Snfu Hi Laura~ I found the lyrics to this song if you are interested . . . JONI MITCHELL TAPES singing along to joni mitchell as his face went through the windshield of his '67 chevrolet he was driving on the wrong side just a wee bit on the drunk side when the ditch became a shallow grave just when he found what he liked it was taken away in his chevy he did perish to 'a free man in paris' the song played loudly away taken away on a stretcher he was buried in the cornfield along with his joni tapes just when he found what he liked it was taken away you can't separate a man and his joni tapes .... Hope you found this helpful! Sara Laura wrote: >Is anyone familiar with the group Snfu >and their song "Joni Mitchell Tapes" >off their Something Green and Leafy >This Way Comes album??? > >I was checking out >http://mystreams-reg.ss.com/Register.asp >because if you register at their website >you can get either a free Mission Impossible 2 >soundtrack or tickets to see the movie. >They have a limit of 50,000 each (so HURRY >if you're interested). Anyways, they have 10 >pages of Joni and I found this on the 10th page. >Couldn't get the sound bite to work on their >page but found a little of it on CDNow's website. >http://hallmall.com/cgi-bin/redirect/go2.cgi?search=SNFU&site=MUSIC >Couldn't make out the lyrics on the >small bit they played. > >Anyone familar with this????? > >Laura > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:10:17 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: Joni's NEW orchestral album of ORIGINAL songs <> See, I told you she was just blowing smoke (figuratively & literally) about that 'quitting the biz' stuff! :~) Bob NP: Pearl Jam, "Breath" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:16:24 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Ben Taylor coming out with debut album (NJC) Here's something else I found while looking around for info on Larry. Ben Taylor (James & Carly's son) will be coming out with his debut album soon. Check out the pic! http://www.worldsend.com/newsflash/baconquarmby.html Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 14:40:11 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: SNFU (sjc) i saw this, and thought there is no way it could be the same band, BUT IT IS! i used to listen to and see this punk/hardcore band back in the late 80's and early 90's. i don't know how it could be the same people! hillarious. i knew i liked them for a reason... i bet even the most excellently diverse and knowledgeable music slut bob doesn't have an SNFU story.... take care, alison e. - ---------- >From: mann@chicagonet.net >To: "joni@smoe.org" >Subject: Joni Mitchell Tapes & Snfu >Date: Mon, May 8, 2000, 8:38 AM > >Is anyone familiar with the group Snfu >and their song "Joni Mitchell Tapes" >off their Something Green and Leafy >This Way Comes album??? > >I was checking out >http://mystreams-reg.ss.com/Register.asp >because if you register at their website >you can get either a free Mission Impossible 2 >soundtrack or tickets to see the movie. >They have a limit of 50,000 each (so HURRY >if you're interested). Anyways, they have 10 >pages of Joni and I found this on the 10th page. >Couldn't get the sound bite to work on their >page but found a little of it on CDNow's website. >http://hallmall.com/cgi-bin/redirect/go2.cgi?search=SNFU&site=MUSIC >Couldn't make out the lyrics on the >small bit they played. > >Anyone familar with this????? > >Laura > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:46:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni on Leno Scratched??? - --- Penny wrote: > I just went to RockOnTv and after no longer seeing Joni listed for the > tonight's Tonight Show, went to the Tonight Show web page. Geez, it > looks like Joni has cancelled for tonight. Now Leno's page lists Brad > Paisley as the musical guest for this evening. (Joni's name doesn't > appear for anytime this week.) Just when you're thinking You've finally got it made Bad news comes knocking At your garden gate Maybe she's busy getting ready for Kakki and Company this Friday night? Later, Brian np: Down To You (C&S) ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:45:48 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Joni's NEW orchestral album of ORIGINAL songs Laura: <> Bob: <> Now wait a minute before everyone gets their hopes up. I can't remember who it was that had a brief chat with Peter Erskine after the tribute, but that lister relayed Erskine saying that they've got a couple of the songs for the "new" album already worked up. But I don't think that can be interpreted as saying Joni has written new material. Rather that these are her originals (from previous albums) worked into the orchestra versions going on the "new" album....those being the ones that may be performed on the tour. (But I hope I'm wrong for y'all's sake. ;-) Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 22:19:08 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Favorite Careers (NJC) Hi Jim, Hmmmmm.......this is something which I should have figured out long ago, but now you've brought it to my attention I had to think what (or whose) mine would be.... I'll use your "careers" reference as a way of choosing not simply who my favourites might be at this moment in time, but instead to pick those whose output spans a reasonably lengthy period of time. In no particular order, they are : GEORGE MICHAEL : Though his work of late has been of slightly lesser interest than earlier highs such as Everything She Wants, Father Figure or the Listen Without Prejudice album, for me a new GM release is always a must-buy. He wrote Praying For Time - still one of the most incredibly arresting singles to emerge from the pop mainstream, and one that flew in the face of all that was expected of him or that could thrive in the 1990 MTV climate - so for that he will always command my curiosity, if perhaps no longer my enduring respect. DEPECHE MODE : In my humble opinion quite possibly the most consistent and influential British band of the last 20 years. Often ridiculed in their burgeoning years, they have accumulated a vast catalogue of sonically inventive and individual music. It must have seemed unlikely in 1982 that one day they would have any influence or common ground with late-90s work by the likes of U2 or The Prodigy, but that's exactly what happened. Their evolution from plinkety-plonk one-finger synth pop act to stadium-straddling rock gods has been a difficult, steady, but always a rivetingly thrilling one. MADONNA : After all these years and god-knows-how-many singles and albums, she is still the undisputed Queen of Pop. While Prince and Jackson floundered amid creative constipation, delusions of grandeur and sundry other pitfalls, Madonna overcame her own slight career blip in the mid-90s to emerge better than ever. BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN : His 70s work is largely unknown to me, aside from extracts included on the recent Tracks 4-CD collection, but that for me is not where the greatest fascination, superlative candour and rarely equalled artistry resides. Of course, Born To Run (the song) was, is and always will be an iconic record, likewise The River. Yet it's been his post-1984 output that I am drawn to on so many levels. Tunnel Of Love, in particular, heralded a golden period of music and unfettered emotional intensity that spawned Secret Garden, Brilliant Disguise, One Step Up, If I Should Fall Behind, Streets Of Philadelphia, and a host of others. U2 : Another rather "catholic" selection, I admit, but I make no excuses. Like Springsteen, they began to get into their stride around 1984 and the exquisite Unforgettable Fire. Then, just as they were in danger of self-parody or cliche following Rattle & Hum, they re-invented themselves to stunning effect with Achtung Baby in 1991...the blueprint for the entire decade's "alternative rock" mainstream, and one of the most evocative albums ever made. Zooropa and Pop were fascinating, experimental albums, that eschewed consolidation in favour of further persuing the avenue of possibilities Achtung Baby opened up for them So, there you have it. Way too much pontificating on my part, but I just can't ever help myself ;-) Jason. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #239 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?