From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #238 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, May 8 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 238 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni on drugs [Richard Goldman ] Re: Joni on drugs [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #231 [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Joni things and access [MGVal@aol.com] RE: JMDL Digest V2000 #231 ["Wally Kairuz" ] Joni tickets for sale MSG 5/23 ["Rob and Stef Librizzi" ] Re: The Supremes (NJC) [michael w yarbrough ] Joni & her Orchestra ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Patti Smith (NJC) [Evan + Vanessa Thomson ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #231 [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Joni on Leno tonight [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 16:35:27 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Joni on drugs NO NO NO! Mark! Please! Somone? retell Clark's tale of him and Joni smoking weed? :D Please!??!?! ===== >Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:10:22 -0500 >From: Mark Domyancich >Subject: Re: Joni on drugs > >Whether some of her songs Joni wrote while she was on something is up >in the air, but Simon and Jamie got into a fit about Song For Sharon. >I think Jamie said that Joni wrote it while she was on coccaine but >Simon said heroin. IMO, I think the bulk of Hejira was on something. > >And how can we forget Clark's tale of him and Joni smoking weed? :-D > >NP-Neil Young, Silver and Gold-Distant Camera > >At 9:01 PM +0100 5/7/00, Garret wrote: >>I was just having a chat with friends about the mind altering effects of >>certain drugs, and the way that an altered state of consciousness can be >>brought about. and one of them mentioned Joni and hejira ( apart from my >>waffles i didn't even think she knew who Joni was, let alone anything about >>the Hejira album). >>i've read about Joni and drugs before, but to be honest ican't remember what >>it said or where it was. can anyone fill me in? was Joni on drugs? when? >>what drugs? were any of her albums the result of this? > >- -- >Mark Domyancich >Harpua@revealed.net >Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ====================================== +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Richard Goldman richard2sf@earthlink.net http://www.home.earthlink.net/~richard2sf/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 20:43:05 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on drugs In a message dated 5/7/00 6:11:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << Whether some of her songs Joni wrote while she was on something is up in the air, but Simon and Jamie got into a fit about Song For Sharon. I think Jamie said that Joni wrote it while she was on coccaine but Simon said heroin. IMO, I think the bulk of Hejira was on something. >> It is my understanding from reading her interviews, lyrics and such that Hejira was mostly written NOT while she was ON drugs, but while she was kicking her drug habit. She went on the Hejira to get away from LA and the prevalent drug scene. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 20:49:54 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #231 In a message dated 5/7/00 3:47:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BMBSPIRIT@cs.com writes: << A bit discourteous IVPAUL, not that I care. Was it because I wasn't a woman, you seem to reply to them in a kind manner. BMB >> Maybe I would have simply ignored the post and not replied if it were obviously from a woman; I suppose I expect men to show a little more intelligence when it comes to computer agility. I also expect men to be able to handle my directness more easily. There is such a thing in the JMDL as searchable archives, which would have revealed to you that your subject had been thoroughly discussed. This week, however, with a broken tooth and a broken relationship, I have little patience for people. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 21:14:10 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Joni things and access In a message dated 5/7/00 5:52:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, IVPAUL42@aol.com writes: << There is such a thing in the JMDL as searchable archives, which would have revealed to you that your subject had been thoroughly discussed. >> This caught my eye and I want to remind people that just because you have email, does not mean you have Internet access. Until I was lucky enough to have the kind, kind help from list member Al Date, my home PC did not have Internet access, (I think that my modem in those days operated at 34.756 bps (:-D ), and my work PC has email only. Just for what it's worth. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 22:18:11 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2000 #231 > This week, however, with a broken tooth and a broken relationship, I have > little patience for people. > > Paul I > are the two events related? wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 18:19:41 -0700 From: "Rob and Stef Librizzi" Subject: Joni tickets for sale MSG 5/23 Hi List, I will not be able to go to the show on 5/23. I need to sell 4 tickets. I paid $351.00 for all four, $87.75 for each ticket. The tickets are in Sec 201 Row M Seats 14 to 17. Face value! Please ask your friends. Thanks Rob ! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 21:55:06 -0400 From: Matt Jones Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #237 RE: late BSN thoughts and the orchestra album (long) [David Wright Subject: Re: The Supremes (NJC) Philip wrote: > I saw Mary Wilson > interviewed on channel 4 a few weeks ago. I had the great fortune to meet Mary Wilson a couple of times while I worked in Washington. She was so articulate, literate, and, especially, graceful. I asked her to autograph the liner notes to my anthology, and I deliberately presented a picture that did not include Diana, knowing of the tremendous acrimony in their past and not wanting to offend her. Ms. Wilson flipped through the book, turning to the front cover. Examining the picture of her, Diana, and Florence, she said, "Now these were the legendary Supremes!" She then signed below her face, careful not to obscure Diana's. "If you ever meet Diana, I want there to be room for her to sign, too," she said. Diana Ross may be a "diva," but Mary Wilson is a beautiful human being. - --Michael NP: Patti Smith, _Gung Ho_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 21:28:02 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: Patti on drugs (NJC) On Sun, 7 May 2000, Garret wrote: > and then there's Patti Smith. did she do drugs? While I can't speak to any real drug usage, I can say that Patti has used and likely still does use quite a bit of pot. - --Michael, here to deliver stunningly unsurprising facts for your enjoyment ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 22:42:12 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: late BSN thoughts and the orchestra album In a message dated 5/7/00 1:55:59 AM US Central Standard Time, David.Wright@oberlin.edu writes: << Certain songs on HOSL would work especially well, I think -- Shades of Scarlett Conquering, perhaps The Boho Dance. Shadows and Light could be just stunning if the orchestra was used somewhat unconventionally.>> Shadows and Light is the most obvious, and would indeed be stunning - you know what else could work, believe it or not, is Jungleline, with some interesting percussion and strings handling the swooping synth part. Of the others you mention, I imagined them all except Trouble Child - I just don't hear that one orchestrated at all... And like always, a great post from you, David... Bob NP: Prince, "Little Red Corvette", (Live 1988) Some early songs could work very well, I think, like The Dawntreader. I think Trouble Child (from C&S) could be interesting. And some of the songs from TI (maybe Sunny Sunday) and TTT would work well because texture is such an important part of her songwriting now (musically and lyrically) and that could be developed orchestrationally. I may think of some more. I'd be interested in comments about these choices. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 19:45:33 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: My first post From: "Frederick Freeman" Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 10:42:36 -0000 Hello List I've been reading the posts for about a week now, and thought it was time to join in. I was turned on to Joni about 2 years ago. I had Blue, and thought it was a great album, but had never explored Joni's catalog. My boyfreind being a Weather Report fan really turned me on to Jaco, so when I heard he played on some of her records, I got Hejira. WOW! I was blown away by this record, then started buying all her albums. Joni has been the single most important musical factor in my life ever since. My favorite albums are C&S, HOSL, & HEJIRA. I have been learning her tunings and playing her songs, and using the tunings for my own compositions, which has greatly expanded my range as a guitarist and a writer. I was fortunate to see the Joni's Jazz concert in Central park, and was blown away by Toshi Reagon, and Chaka Kahn. Toshi's "Black Crow", and Chaka's "Don't Interupt the Sorrow" were the highlights of the show. I will be going to the MSG show on May22, and like many of you, although I enjoy the BSN stuff, I've never seen Joni live (except the scatting thing at Joni's Jazz, which was a delectable tease) so I'm hoping for even a short guitar set. Anyone know if this is going to happen, or will it be the entire BSN album? Something else I'm curious about is the "Joni Covers" CD's everyone is talking about. How does one get in on this? Speaking of which, I had never heard Wynonna before the TNT tribute, but after hearing her do YTMOIAR, I was intrigued, so I bought her new CD "New Day Dawning" with high hopes, only to be very dissapointed. She is a great singer, but the material is what I call "stock-assembly-line-mainstream-country-rock" She is so above this insipid material. Even her cover of "Help Me", although flawless and accurate, I found to be lacking in an original stamp. It sounds almost exactly like the original, especially the musical arrangement. It makes me wish she would do an album of more raw Folk-Americana type country. I hope I don't step on any toes with my first post, but this is my honest impression of the album. I guess thats all for now, glad to be here at JMDL. !! NP -- Toshi Reagon - The Righteous Ones Frederick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 20:56:17 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni & her Orchestra This is a really interesting post. I haven't heard BSN and I am not as much of a Joni Musicologist as many who are on this list (and wow, I have learned a lot from you. What I am is a songwriter who somehow learned the art and craft of songwriting from Joni by growing up listening to her. And she still teaches me. I absolutely love her voice now and I loved it when she was a soprano. I unabashadly adore most of her early material and I love a lot of her newer stuff. And whatever the period, the songs I love most are the ones that are full of rhythm so I have to agree with the following: "I am not moved by the sort of swoony romantic over-the-top orchestration on BSN... ...the guitar (its rhythms, its sound, its tunings, its fundamental role in the creation of the album) is such a part of that album and those songs that I think its absence would deeply affect them. And I don't know if an orchestra could get the rhythms, the jazz element. And, like I said, a lot of the songs from Blue and Hejira and DJRD are so personal that I don't know if they would work." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 12:19:24 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Re: Patti Smith (NJC) > > and then there's Patti Smith. did she do drugs? someone out there must > know. i only recently came upon the music of Patti Smith and i think shes > great. her voice is amazing. i have the horses album, and Gung Ho. my > friend thinks that she sounds liek she has an altered state of > consciousness- idon't know though, can someone please enlighten me about > these two women > GARRET Hi Garrett, I can't answer your drug question but in regards to Patti Smith, I was given her book, "Patti Smith Complete" and it's fabulous. Terrific photos and a wonderful text. In it she discusses her songs and her writing process. When she undertakes to write a song, she spends weeks researching the topic on which she wishes to write. It's fascinating, she's very intelligent and a very knowledgeable. Her lyrics are very rich and layered and I think the 'research' is a direct result of that. I highly recommend this book to all Patti fans. You can't help but assume that most 'musicians' have at least tried mind altering substances whether it be drugs or alcohol. Vanessa N.P. Adam and the Ants ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 01:02:11 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #231 In a message dated 5/7/00 9:20:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << This week, however, with a broken tooth and a broken relationship, I have > little patience for people. > > Paul I > are the two events related? wallyk >> Not that I can tell. Maybe in some karmaic way, but not overtly. It's really just a piece of filling that broke and fell out while flossing today. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 23:13:02 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Joni on Leno tonight Tonight's the night! Joni on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. Monday May 8 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #238 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?