From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #235 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, May 6 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 235 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Baby Duck? (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] I wish... ["Ada Wittenberger" ] Re: Yuk, yuk, yuk! ;-) (NJC) [catman ] Alison NJC [catman ] Re: Passion Play [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] cat's in the cradle.... NJC [pat holden ] Re: Computer Virus (NJC) ["Alan Lorimer" ] fabian NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Passion Play and Liberation Theology [Michael Langdon ] Re: Musica con Queso Covers ["Kakki" ] New interview on JMDL site [Les Irvin ] Re: circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: New Interview on the JMDL site [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] RE: Musica con Queso Covers ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 11:15:38 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Baby Duck? (NJC) Jimmy wrote: >I thought you Aussie's would have had a wine called Cold Platypus!! :-) Maybe, but I'm not Australian! I'm a New Zealander, and although I greatly respect the Aussie jimdlers on the list, if you call me Australian again, I'm going to have to kill you. No offence! Hell - kidding in kiwi-land _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 23:41:47 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: I wish... The sleepless nights The blood red lights The fourth orgasm when you still wear tights The endless kisses and the endless bites i wish i were'nt in love again She's "heavens gates" I'm "mate of mates" We turn the radio on and - there's tom waits It's like a bush here - and i don't mean kates I wish i were'nt in love again No more "blue" No "case of you" Now it's true but i'd rather be out and about We fly to rome, she yells "i'm home!" Our sexlife habits really go like a bomb I'm learning spanish but i wish i were'nt in love again The jewels i buy The fifth "oh my!" A one big climax 'til the day we die She reads my poems and begins to cry I wish i were'nt in love again Since when we met It's wet wet wet Our flat has turned into a porno net Now it's the sixth cum but it's nothing yet I wish i were'nt in love again No more wrong No no so long Now we belong But i'd rather be out and about Believe me, dad, i'm growing mad She sings "i have a king" instead of "had" I don't love loving and i wish i were'nt In love again In love again I wish i were'nt in love again ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 00:49:49 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Yuk, yuk, yuk! ;-) (NJC) He recently returned from > Italy with his new bride, Piza Schitt. the whole thing was funny but this last one made me LOL! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 01:05:10 +0100 From: catman Subject: Alison NJC Alison-I tried to reply to you but the message bounced back saying invalid address. colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 20:45:47 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Passion Play Loving all this talk about Passion Play...the obvious stuff, to me anyway: First section is indeed about Jesus' relationship with Mary Magdalene, Second section is about Zaccheus, the tax collector who had climbed up in the sycamore tree for the Lord he wanted to see, Joni speaks from Zaccheus' point of view, I don't she puts herself in that role, she's merely singing the role of Zaccheus, much like she puts on Job's robe in "Sire of Sorrow"... "The killer nails are ringing", refers to Christ's crucifixion. Now, the inserted choruses are a lot more cryptic; Kevin, I loved your insight into the Exxon disaster, I always thought that "who you gonna get to do the dirty work when all the slaves are free" referred to the comments made to the Pharisees, Sadducees, etc. that Jesus' death on the cross freed us all from our bondage to sin, and we're no longer slaves to the "religious rules" of the day but rather saved by grace. (Although this doesn't really jive with what Joni has publicly said about her take on Christianity) And of course where an ordinary writer would not find it necessary to alter a repeating chorus, Joni creates a litany of "Ecstasy - Misery - Apathy - Tragedy". Could this be a capsuled summation of Christ's Easter cycle? The victorious ride into Jerusalem (ecstasy), the betrayal by Judas & Peter (misery), the crowd turns on him and asks for Barrabas (apathy), the crucifixion itself (tragedy). I just wish she had added another ecstasy to represent the resurrection, but then again, Joni ain't exactly the type for a lot of happy endings now, is she? ;-) That's all from me...let's pass the offering plate, say a benediction, and church is dismissed - with NO Handel, thankyouverymuch! LOL! Rev, Bob, warming the pulpit up for the REAL Rev... NP: Steely Dan, "Reeling in the Years" (Live, thanks to the Happy Dutchman, who has this day made me a VERY happy South Carolinian! You guys are the greatest!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 20:50:27 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: cat's in the cradle.... NJC treehuggin' girl wrote: <>> hi there, I think you may be referring to the Cat's in the Cradle (correct title??) sung by none other than the beautiful Harry Chapin. Is that the one?....some lyrics: the cat's in the cradle and the silver spoon, little boy blue and the man in the moon, when you coming home son, I dont know when, we'll get together then, Dad.... bitterly sweet. perhaps that's the draw. mags. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 11:05:40 +1000 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Computer Virus (NJC) Just my own 2 cents worth on this one. The latest virus is yet another variation on the "Melissa" virus which was infecting peoples computers last year. Clones of the latest virus are now appearing under different names. As these sort of viruses are based on VBScripting, you can safely prevent your Windows computers from catching them as follows: 1. From the Start Menu, scroll up to "Settings" and open up the "Control Panel" 2. From Control Panel, select and open "Add/Remove Programs Properties" 3. From the "Add/Remove Programs Properties" Window, Click on the "Windows Setup" tab. Windows will search for all installed components. 4. Select "Accessories" and click on the "Details" button. 5. A small window called "Accessories" should now be open. 6. Scroll down until you get to "Windows Scripting Host". Clear the checkbox. This procedure should prevent viruses of this sort attacking your Windows computer. Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:12:15 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: fabian NJC do y'all remember that jill sobule video, i kissed a girl, where fabian played the neighbor's husband. the lyrics that accompanied his appearance were "he's such a hairy behemoth, she said, dumb as a box of hammers but he's such a handsome guy..." i thought it was cool of fabian to do the cameo, unless...hey, wait, maybe he didn't know the lyrics!!!! wallyk > I still have Fabian posters hanging on my > wall *and* ceiling, and in the words of Mae West "Goodness has nothing to do > with it" > > Jimmy > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 19:39:24 -0700 From: Michael Langdon Subject: Passion Play and Liberation Theology "Revolutionary political action becomes, in theologies of liberation, the way to make Christian love for the poor truly effective. Failure to engage in the revolutionary struggle would be failure to respond to the poor's yearning for liberation and would place Christians in the camp of the oppressors. Since it is in the poor that Jesus dwells in a hidden but real way, for Christians not to commit themselves to the revolution would be to turn their backs on Christ." --Humberto Belli I’ve always considered “Passion Play” (one of my favorite Joni songs) to be a kind of meditation on liberation theology, which is defined in the above quote. The poor (or the working class) are constantly referred to in the gospels as the “multitudes.” (Marxists would call them the “masses.”) These multitudes, as Joni notes, are drawn to Jesus (“this diver of the heart,” “this heart healer”). Amoral capitalists (against whom Joni rants in a number of her songs) harm the multitudes, either by exploiting them economically (rendering them “slaves”) or by destroying the environment (thus the multitudes are “In Exxon blue / In radiation rose”). As Humberto Belli says above, liberation theologists believe that Jesus “dwells in a hidden but real way” in the poor. (Jesus himself said, “Whatsoever you do the least of these my brethren, you do to me also.”) Thus, when amoral corporations harm the poor and the working class, they are in a sense re-crucifying Jesus. (“Oh all around the marketplace [which refers not only to the literal marketplace in which Jesus overturned merchant’s tables, but to the figurative marketplace of capitalism] / . . . The killer nails are ringing.”) After the second coming (oddly enough “The Second Coming” is the name of the Yeats poem on which Joni based “Slouching Towards Bethlehem,” which is also on NRH), when Jesus has his way in this world (“Thy kingdom come / Thy will be done”), the multitudes will be liberated. Then how are capitalists going to make their profits? (Who’re you gonna get to do the dirty work / When all the slaves are free?”) If you’ve never read the gospels, you might want to give them a look. Jesus was quite a radical. I’ve always found it amazing that right-wing Christians think they’re following Jesus. His sympathies were clearly with the poor and the downtrodden, whereas fundamentalists tend to be pro-business and to oppose any government programs that assist the poor. Joni seems to have a deep interest in the Bible (and in all works of mythology). “The Sire of Sorrow” is based on the book of Job, and “Love” (from WTRF) is based on I Corinthians 13. There are plenty of Biblical references in her other songs as well. Of course, this doesn’t necessarily mean that she’s a Christian. By the way, the speaker of the second and third verses is not Joni, but Zacchaeus, whose story is told in Luke 19. She may feel some identification with Zacchaeus, but this is one song that is definitely not about her personal life. Michael (a number member of the list) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:08:26 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Doris Day Found Hi Bob! Veni, vedi, que sera sera. Do Day's BSN has been found, trapped, and will be send to you soon for tagging, so tht it can be sent back out into the world. In other words, Doris Day's BSN has been found and needs a place on Volume 4 (Cheese lives!) :-) I'll get this out to you ASAP. All the best, Stephen PS Mabel can't be far behind! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 00:19:48 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Passion Play and Liberation Theology michael! thank you for your insightful reading of passion play. i too always think of liberation theology when i listen to this song. best, wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:34:09 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Doris Day Found In a message dated 5/5/00 9:08:26 PM US Central Standard Time, SME BD writes: << Do Day's BSN has been found, trapped, and will be send to you soon for tagging, so tht it can be sent back out into the world. >> Yee-hah! Yes, it will fit like a glove onto Volume 4, "The Power of Cheese". This one kicks off with Adrienne Barbeau and "I Had A King", a very dramatic reading by the well-endowed (and I ain't talkin' vocal talent) Adrienne...this is followed by Claudine Longet's "Both Sides Now" (Thanks to the wily Coyote for this one). I dare anyone to listen to this one with a straight face..."dweems & schemes and soocus cwouds"...don't know if it sounds more like Babawawa or Lillie Von Schtupp from Blazing Saddles! Then you've got the Boomtang Boys thump-thump take on the same song, a little Elvis Presley, now this Doris Day...paging Leonard Nimoy! :-D But not to fear, V4 will also feature some covers that have been de-cheesed...Diane Reeves "River" is a gem, as is Travis' "Urge For Going"! Stephen, you are the Sherlock Homie of Joni covers...but have you got that Mabel Mercer yet? :-) NP: Neil Diamond, "Both Sides Now"...oops, looks like a little Velveeta has spilled over to Volume 3! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 20:58:43 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Doris Day Found > Veni, vedi, que sera sera. Do Day's BSN has been found, >trapped, and will be send to you soon for tagging, so tht it >can be sent back out into the world. Oh Stephen! Bravo bravo!! Heehee! This is too much fun - what will we do when we find them all?! Nah, they'll always be out there to hunt down ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 21:06:49 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Musica con Queso Covers >Yee-hah! Yes, it will fit like a glove onto Volume 4, "The >Power of Cheese". This one kicks off with Adrienne Barbeau >and "I Had A King", a very dramatic reading by the well->endowed (and I ain't talkin' vocal talent) Adrienne...this is >followed by Claudine Longet's "Both Sides Now" (Thanks to > the wily Coyote for this one). Oh man, these have got to get to Joni. I suggest a box set to Chili, and then Bob, you should also bring a set as a back-up to Atlanta. I will take my original set to the show on the WAY slim off-chance I can get it to her, too. Now if we could only find one by the Monkees - maybe an outtake? ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 22:49:05 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: New interview on JMDL site Joniphiles - There's a new, two-part interview just up on the JMDL site from Ireland's Hotpress Magazine. I found some pretty interesting things in it that I hadn't read before. Check it out. And thanks to Philip in Ireland for transcribing it - another excellent contribution from him. http://216.247.66.89/articles/docs/000330hp.cfm Les NP: Wild Colonials "Philadelphia Story" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 02:26:43 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) In a message dated 5/5/00 3:37:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Treehuggergirl25@aol.com writes: << what about that song Cat's Cradle, i think ...by Jim Croce? argh. i know the song, just not sure who sings it. >> Cats in the Cradle by Harry Chapin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 02:29:58 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) In a message dated 5/5/00 1:54:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: << I can think of another one, "House at Pooh Corner"- Kenny wrote that as he was about to graduate from high school. Any others? >> True, though Loggins added a third verse many years later after his son was born. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:33:04 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: New Interview on the JMDL site WOW! Thanks Les! Thanks Philip! I'm on my way to read that one again! Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 03:40:35 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Musica con Queso Covers i don't know about the other volumes, but THIS ONE i can't miss for anything in the world. i want my cheese and i want it now! wallyk, wondering what next! william shatner doing cotton avenue? > >Yee-hah! Yes, it will fit like a glove onto Volume 4, "The >Power of > Cheese". ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #235 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?