From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #234 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, May 5 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 234 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Warning about computer virus (NJC) [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: Teen wines (NJC) ["Kakki" ] The Twins are up to Monkee Business! NJC [john low ] Anne's happy news ["Kakki" ] The case for The Monkees (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Dressing up for Joni ["Kakki" ] Pop Stars (NJC) (Motorhead) ["Paul Castle" ] njc Anne's good news!!! [pat holden ] Re: some good news (njc) ["James L. Leonard" ] some good news ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Baby Duck? (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Warning about computer virus (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: The Twins are up to Monkee Business! NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] [Fwd: newbies and virus] [Jason Maloney ] Re: Neil Young Albums (NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] The Supremes (NJC) ["Garret" ] Re: Too Much Monkee business - now Carole King (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Too Much Monkey Business ["Alan Lorimer" ] Re: Alan's Creative Writing Project (SJC) ["Alan Lorimer" ] classic Joni pic '69 ["P. Henry" ] The Supremes (NJC) ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] RE: urge for controversy [Susan McNamara ] Another Newbie! ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] Comes... ["Ada Wittenberger" ] Re: Pop Stars (NJC) (Motorhead) [Catherine McKay ] Fwd: Re: Virus Alert (OT) [jan gyn ] circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Comes... [catman ] I Want My... ["James L. Leonard" ] "Down To You" from Temple Show ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] RE: "Down To You" from Temple Show ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] Passion play ["Hejira" ] Re: Passion Play [Mark Domyancich ] Re: circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) ["alan larson" > LOL, LOL! BTW, the virus shut down Portland's city government offices for awhile this morning too. Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 00:23:50 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Teen wines (NJC) Helen wrote: > Never heard of Baby Duck, but we had a drink called Cold >Duck that I remember well! It was a "wine-flavoured drink", >and I remember it was like fizzy red wine. Ah geez, the older boys always told me it was a fine champagne for special occasions. And Gene, those same boys always drank Red Mountain out of a Boda bag (gawd, remember those?!), but would not allow the girls to drink it because they deemed it too rough for our sensitivities. They offered us Sloe Gin with Coca Cola or Bali Hai instead ;-D Kakki, now knowing where she got her martini tastes, ahem ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:35:59 +1000 From: john low Subject: The Twins are up to Monkee Business! NJC Mark in Seattle has written (while LOL) about "generational prejudice" and Jason has bravely admitted his affection for a lot of the ‘modern’ music being criticised. IMO there is clearly ‘rubbish’ in the popular music of all generations. When I was very young I pinned pictures of Fabian, for goodness sakes, on my wall and you can’t get any shallower than that! It’s the nature of popular culture. That’s why I try not to impose my taste upon my kids, though they get a good dose of it coming from the stereo. I really think they need to graze the wide musical fields open to them and, just as they grow and mature in other area of their lives, so I’m sure they will in their musical life. As Catherine said, we might all require a bit of ‘sugar’ for a healthy growth. Not that this precludes lively discussion within the family of the music we all listen to. It’s true that our judgement of what’s good and bad is often subjective. But I also think that most of us, at least as we mature, can identify shallowness, banality etc. when we see it. Even if we like it!! I mean, I loved singing along to “Yummy, Yummy, Yummy I’ve Got Love in My Tummy” but I still knew it was fluff. Curiously my Bardot and Britney Spears loving 12 year-old’s twin sister prefers listening to Bob Dylan and the Grateful Dead. So much for identical twins!! And its not only in their music that they differ. They might look alike but in just about every other way they seem (or at least try) to be different. They insisted on different classes at school, do their hair differently, never wear the same colour or style of clothes and have different friends. It’s really interesting. Anyone else have twins? John (in Sydney). __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 00:29:32 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Anne's happy news Anne, Wonderful to hear that you are doing so well! One's spirit has a lot to do with it and you have it in spades. Your lyrics are beautiful and it is obvious that you have a natural gift for songwriting. Thank you for sharing them with us. You are a huge inspiration here to us. Lots of love and light to you, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 00:49:16 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: The case for The Monkees (NJC) The difference between the Monkees and today's manufactured acts is that everyone knew from the start that the Monkees were a lark. There was so much incredible real music happening and being played on the radio at that time, that the industry did not need to make-up a group to compete. The concept initially was for a TV comedy, not a serious music group. That's why they wanted primarily actors when they cast for the show. But I've read many places that they also wanted actors who had some musical ability. And all of them sang the songs, and later actually wrote some and played many of the instruments (Tork and Nesmith were musicians pre-Monkees, too). The beauty of it all for me is that what started as a joke turned into something with actual enduring merit and some really good pop music, much of which went right up the charts alongside the Beatles and the rest at the time. Will the Cassandra Wilson of the year 2030 be covering Britney's songs of today? We shall see. Kakki NP: The Cure - Jumping Someone Else's Train ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 01:07:24 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Dressing up for Joni Patrick wrote: >the public part is i'm dressing up for this concert. >let's do that, and if not, let's dress for dinner and for joni! this >is a full-orchestra event and we're in the second row. time to >work the glamour, baby!!! The erstwhile group in Tinseltown is gleefully planning to be ridiculously overdressed as befits the occasion ;-D Ooo, and tonight I heard a fantastic promo spot on the radio for the L.A. show. It was just a knock-out with short bits of almost every song on the album. The announcer made it sound like the event of the decade. I loved it!! Kakki NP: The Cure - A Night Like This ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 10:53:55 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Pop Stars (NJC) (Motorhead) Vanessa evanessa@mira.net wrote >A lot of the bands I like are not considered good artists >or musicians but they do it for the music; like Motorhead. >I just bought two of their albums and I love it. Wouldn't call >Lemmy the Joni Mitchell of metal lyrics but he's fun. Sorry folks! But seeing this, I just had to tell you my Motorhead story. A few years ago I played in a 5-piece band called 'Sons of Fat Harry', A CSN & Y-type acoustic/harmonies outfit. We had a regular Wednesday night residency in a pub called 'The Rosemary Branch' in Islington, North London. Playing mainly originals, we also did a few popular covers like Stills' 'Love the One You're With' and Steve Miller's 'The Joker'. For several months we noticed that a growing number of leather- jacketed Metal fans were filling the bar each week, which seemed odd, considering the type of music we played. I was surprised when someone told me that one of them was Worzel, the then lead guitarist with Motorhead, who lived just round the corner. Talking to him at the bar one night, he said, "Paul, would you mind if I jammed with you guys one night?" And sure enough, when I arrived early to set up our gear the following week, a Motorhead roadie was already there setting up Worzel's Marshall Stack. Later that night he arrived with Motorhead's drummer, 'Filthy' Phil Harris, and they both joined us on stage to play on a version of Canned Heat's 'Going Up the Country'. When Worzel came in for his first solo it was like everyone in the bar was suddenly pinned up against the far wall with their hair sticking up on end. I remember 'mouthing' 'Spinal Tap' to our bass player, standing next to me. Worzel's amp was on 11! From then on, he used to come down and sit in with us whenever he wasn't out on tour with Motorhead. We were all chuffed when the Islington Gazette referred to us as "North London's answer to The Grateful Dead". We even considered changing our name to 'The Dead Grateful' but some other London tribute band had beaten us to it. Around this time, Worzel rang me up one night inviting all the band as his guests to the Motorhead gig at the Hammersmith Odeon. "I know you won't like the music", he said, "but it should be an experience." He thought it wise for us sensitive folkies to bring ear plugs. We had a great night - although I could have lived without the next day's tinnitus! PaulC NPIMH: 'Ace of Spades' (banging my head on the computer screen!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 06:07:19 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: njc Anne's good news!!! the brave warrior woman Anne Sandstrom wrote: <<>> mags replies: I am thrilled to hear the good news...way to go Anne!!!! Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers and as it has been said by others here, your positive attitude helps so much I am certain! {{{{{{{{{{{many hugs to you}}}}}}}}}}}}} mags, who knows the power of lighting candles & who is fiercely proud to be a part of Anne's support community on jmdl. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 06:16:15 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: some good news (njc) Anne, That really *was* some *phenomenal* news!!! Keep up the good work! :-) "Boston Jim" NP: Van Morrison, Common One, "When Heart Is Open" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 11:18:21 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: some good news Dear Anne So pleased - I just had to write and say that although I'm far far away, I'm thinking and praying as hard as I can, figuring the distance is no object with healing thoughts. I love reading your lyrics, which have such healing power themselves. PaulC (with big stupid grin!) PS I hear that Natalie Merchant has recorded 'All I Want'. I know what 'we all want'. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 07:21:40 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Baby Duck? (NJC) Hell wrote: << Never heard of Baby Duck, but we had a drink called Cold Duck that I remember well! >> I thought you Aussie's would have had a wine called Cold Platypus!! :-) Jimmy np-joni, all joni, nothing but joni until the concert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 07:31:23 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Warning about computer virus (NJC) I saw on the news last night that this virus not only will use the name "I Love You" and "Love Letters", but is also appearing in email with the word "Joke" in the subject line. We've been very fortunate in southwest Florida and no one has had any problems with their compu. : : : : Happy Friday Everyone! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 07:42:32 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: The Twins are up to Monkee Business! NJC John(in Sydney) writes: << When I was very young I pinned pictures of Fabian, for goodness sakes, on my wall and you can’t get any shallower than that! >> That's not shallow at all John. I still have Fabian posters hanging on my wall *and* ceiling, and in the words of Mae West "Goodness has nothing to do with it" Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 12:43:54 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: [Fwd: newbies and virus] I've been asked by vollmarr to send this on to the whole list. It couldn't get through to smoe.org, apparently. Seems this virus is causing some real damage. Jason. - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: newbies and virus Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 05:23:02 -0400 From: "vollmarr" To: Thanks for the invite Jason. From Jason.Maloney@virgin.net. "Firstly, a huge welcome to all newbies....Madeline, Sara, and any other "younger" members among us. - please write as often as you wish." I must admit I am a little shy posting with such illustrious members of this list. I love reading these posts, you all have a real flair with pen (keyboard.) The content is so informative and with the added bonus of your individual rendition of what ever opinion you have about whatever the topic. I am looking forward to learning about all of you individually from your posts. I agree with you, Jason, about the ebb and flow of music today. Most of it seems like noise to me listening to the radio today. I must confess that through the 80's, I listened to mostly talk radio at work. I listened to my standby's: Joni, CSN&Y individually and collectively, and people like Mose Allison, etc. I targeted yet limited my listening pleasure. I found this out when I posted my comment about K.D. Lang. I don't have a clue! I thought she dressed that way out of protest of commercialism in music. That is why I laughed so much. I though Joni was dressed fine, It seems so trite to talk about such things. I applaude such activism in women's attire as K.D. Lang. It brings discussion to the table about what does matter. I am a feminist from many years ago, like when I was 4 and preferred cars vs. dolls. etc. No I am not gay, but I have no problem with those that are. I have empathy with them. I have examined the sex roles we play in society, and there is still much to be expected with what we have. I apologize for my lateness in posting, I have missed the past week (?) of posts on the digest due to my outlook express taking a nosedive today. It crashed 17 times, I lost everything. all my e-mails and digests I haven't been able to read. I think there was at least a week of digests I missed. But I am here now! I don't think this had anything to do with the virus going around, just my volume of mail, and my ineptitude. Anyone with ideas? Am I right? No, I never opened anything with the content of I love you that I didn't know. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 08:10:03 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Neil Young Albums (NJC) Everybody Knows This is Nowhere and Harvest are in my all time permanent hall of fame. The song Runnin' Dry on the EKTIN album can be played over 24 hours straight with no damage to your ears, mind or soul. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:06:48 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: The Supremes (NJC) wrote > Are you kidding ? Check your Dad's record collection for an amazing post > Ross > record called Stoned Love. Yes, i'll keep my eyes open for it.Was it released soon after Diana Ross went her own way from the Supremes? I've been listening to a really old LP lately called "Diana Ross & The Supremes join the Temptations". It is truly fantastic, even if you don't like the musical style or the songs it is fascinating to hear this line up. The record is old and worn though, so the soulnd isn't always the best. This adds atmosphere though:-) I don't know if it's been released on Cd, but it should be. The track listing is: Side one; Try it baby, I second that emotion, Ain't no mountain high enough, I'm gonna make you love me, This guy's in love, Funky Broadway. Side two; I'll try sonething new, A place in the sun, Sweet inspiration, Then, The Impossible Dream. GARRET np-Annie Lennox- Ladies of the Canyon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:30:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Too Much Monkee business - now Carole King (NJC) - --- philipf@tinet.ie wrote: I don't think that "manufactured" is the issue. Some of the best music ever was made in a manufacturing type environment. For example writers like Mann/ Weil/ Carole King/ Elle Grenwich etc went to work each morning in the Brill Building like any other worker except their job was writing songs. It's more to do with things like talent, ethics, idealism. That kind of 60's stuff. I don't know about anyone else, but I always imagine Carole King et al chained to a piano and a desk, not allowed to go home until at least one pop tune had been successfully completed. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:28:33 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: 'The Enchanted Lady' (Repeat) Bernie BMBSPIRIT@cs.com wrote: >I am a contributor to a web page of Nanci Griffiths >and mentioned my interest in Joni. Someone there >told of this site and I just dropped by to tell a story >from many years ago. Welcome Bernie. It was me. So glad you joined up to tell your story. Everyone here loves stories of the olden days told from a new perspective. Others will probably tell you about 'The Tape Trees' and how to get hold of them, which one day I would like to get around to myself, but I thought you would be interested to see this post from another list, which I posted here a few months ago, with Gene's permission. I suspect that most of us will enjoy reading it again. It's great to have all these new subscribers. Any regulars got any 'crackers' worth re-posting for the newcomers? Here's Gene Shay's recent post to the FolkDJ-L: Very best - PaulC From: GeneS5@AOL.COM Subject: Re: FOLKDJ-L Digest - 15 Feb 2000 - Special issue (#2000-127) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:37:51 EST Joni Mitchell has been an important part of my broadcasting career. For one thing she used to come on my folk show and do lengthy interviews--- singing songs like "Just Like Me", Morning Comes To Morgantown" and "Dr, Junk The Dentist Man". One Sunday Joni sang "Both Sides Now" talked about the book "Henderson The Rain King" that inspired it and told me she had written the song in Philly just 3 days before my show. That was the first time it was ever heard on radio---anywhere. Those legendary radio interviews with Joni became classics and were eventually bootlegged and issued on a couple of poorly pressed LPs. You can hear my voice on those bootlegs and even though the bootlegs gave credit to the "Guys at WMMR" the interviews were done in 1967 at WHAT-FM (my first station---and where I called my show "Folklore").The tapes of the 'HAT' interviews were aired again when I moved to 'MMR'---that's why the bootleggers were confused. One night when I interviewed Joni I had Gordon Lightfoot as a guest and Leonda---a Boston based folkie. On another interview along with Joni I had The Young Tradition and Dave Van Ronk (we had The Main Point and the Second Fret operating on Sundays in those days). In the middle of the interview Chris Smither popped into the studio---next, Jamie Brockett. They had been travelling through the area and heard the interview, and stopped by to hang out. My main conduit to Joni in those days was my good buddy Tom Rush---the first artist to recognize her brilliant writing. I was with Tom the day the test pressing of his version of "Circle Game" was delivered, issued on a 45rpm, Prestige record. He couldn't wait to get to my studio to hear it on a professional sound system. Somewhere in my archives I have a tape of Joni and her husband Chuck Mitchell singing "Circle Game" on my show the very first time I met them. On that same interview Joni told the story of how her friend was not allowed to belong to this Toronto folk music club because it was for teens only and he had turned 20. He was so pissed that he wrote "Sugar Mountain" and she then answered back by writing "Circle Game". That childhood friend of hers was of course, Neil Young and that was the first time "Sugar Mountain" was ever heard on radio---I believe. Once in New York City I bumped into Joni and Graham Nash walking into a Walgreens Drug Store. Me, the folkie didn't know who Graham Nash was when Joni introduced us, though I had heard of the Hollies. He told me that he and David Crosby and Neil Young had just gotten together and were working out harmonies to record some tunes. Joni and Graham were on their way to Tom Rush's apartment to listen to some demos. They had Tom's key while he was on tour out west. One of the nicest and folkiest things Joni ever did for me was agree to play a benefit concert for the Main Point that I produced and hosted some years later when she was well known. She flew in to Philly with bassist Jaco Pastorious and percussionist Bobbie Hall Porter and played two shows at the Tower Theater and she picked up the entire tab for her groups expenses... flights . food---the works. The benefit raised 30 thousand dollars and kept the Main Point alive for a few more years. Also on that benefit show--Tom Waits, Dave Van Ronk, Melanie, Tom Rush and Springteeen pianist David Sancious. Even though she played the folk circuit and often hung out with folkie types from Sasketoon to South Philly I never really thought of her as a "folksinger" and it really doesn't matter. For a short while they used to bill her as the "Enchanted Lady". That she was, and still is. She is a brilliant, gifted artist who has sprinkled her magic dust on me---and I have been lucky enough to enjoy the glow. Gene Shay,WXPN, Phila. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:13:00 +1000 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Too Much Monkey Business "Blonde hair, good looking, trying to get me hooked Want me to settle down, get a home, write a book!" Alan NP: Chuck Berry (of course!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:27:40 +1000 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Alan's Creative Writing Project (SJC) The software package I have been developing is now up and running. Despite a lack of content in many areas, it is ready for testing. If some listers can help me out, or even just want to have a look at how I'm presenting a lot of Joni's lyrics, the address of the web site is: http://users.bigpond.com/AlanLorimer/ I have also set up a North American "mirror" site at: http://jonimitchell.homestead.com/files/ Just a few quick notes: - - To view the graphics properly, you'll need to set your display to "True Colour", "32 bit Colour", or "millions of colors" depending on the system you are using. Note that the background images are really stunning if you can view them properly. - - If you participate in actually testing the site (just play with it for 10 minutes or so and tell me what you think), please let me know your Name, Location and Age Group. - - This site *should* look good. I've spent nearly 150 hours on this Project and have had contributions from Don Rowe, Joseph Davis, Lori Reason, Trudi Woods, Sue Nielsen, Catherine McKay, and Hell with Input and advice from many other members. - - Please feel free to make further literary contributions towards the project :-) Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:50:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Twins are up to Monkee Business! NJC - --- john low wrote: > Curiously my Bardot and Britney Spears loving 12 > year-old’s twin > sister prefers listening to Bob Dylan and the > Grateful Dead. So much > for identical twins!! And its not only in their > music that they > differ. They might look alike but in just about > every other way they > seem (or at least try) to be different. They > insisted on different > classes at school, do their hair differently, never > wear the same > colour or style of clothes and have different > friends. It’s really > interesting. Anyone else have twins? I don't have twins, but I know quite a few, some identical, some fraternal. I think it's hard enough being "like" another family member, without being identical, so they would probably tend to go out of their way to seem different from the other. I have a sister 2 years younger than me. My mother used to buy us the "same" clothes, although often in different colours. It used to irritate me that Annie and I were dressed the same - and of course, she always got the better colour ;) My older sister, Margaret, always got the "different" stuff, and that irritated me too - I felt like Margaret was getting special treatment, but Annie and I were viewed as one unit. As a mother now, I know that you have to try to be as equitable as possible - the kids always have to make sure they got the same number of cookies, or the same amount of drink - so I understand why Mum might have gone out of her way to ensure that Annie and I didn't get treated any different from one another (although it doesn't explain why Margaret got the "good" stuff - you must realize I'm not *really* bitter about this; Annie probably thought my colour of dress was better than hers, and Margaret might have been envious of some of what we had - the grass is always greener and so on...) Of course, *I* was the Joni fan, so that makes me special ;) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 10:00:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Pop Stars (NJC) (Motorhead) - --- Paul Castle wrote: From then on, he used to come down and sit in with us whenever he wasn't out on tour with Motorhead. We were all chuffed when the Islington Gazette referred to us as "North London's answer to The Grateful Dead". We even considered changing our name to 'The Dead Grateful' but some other London tribute band hadbeaten us to it. How 'bout the "Grateful Undead"? You might have to be a goth band though. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:04:38 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Pop Stars (NJC) (Motorhead) Catherine catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca wrote > How 'bout the "Grateful Undead"? You might have to be > a goth band though. LOL. Can you sing, Catherine? A screetch will do. Perhaps we could work up a version of "If you knew Siouxsie like I knew Siouxsie". Can I borrow your black eye liner? PaulC (a beautiful summers day here in London) NP. Sound of distant lawnmowers. Hey, sign 'em up for the Undead quick! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 08:15:33 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: classic Joni pic '69 attention all listers! for anyone who hasn't taken advantage of the huge benefit of joining catgirl's list I have posted a truly great pic of Joni from '69 that was shared there at: http://homepages.go.com/~badwolff/joniCthru2769.jpg so you can view/download it if you want to. enjoy, pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 11:17:22 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: The Supremes (NJC) Garrett's subconscious typed: <> What a great Freudian slip on this statement...there's so much "soul" in the "sound" in even came out when you were writing about it! :~) Bob NP: Neil Young, "Song X" (from Mirror Ball, the one he did with Pearl Jam) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:43:04 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: urge for controversy At 3:00 AM -0400 5/5/00, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > Winter Lady >is an obvious man's song, why did she make one of her first songs for a >man to sing ? Here is my idea on this one. Joni was a young struggling songwriter who was looking to sell her songs, not necessarily record them herself, and I really believe that she wrote this as a Gordon Lightfoot-esque song for a man to sing. Maybe she had another singer in mind (Chuck?). She would have not written it FOR Gordon since he was already quite a prolific songwriter himself. I personally believe Joni when she said that Urge for Going was written in standard tuning and I completely believe she worked on the song alone. Sorry all you Oliver Stones out there!! :-) sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:49:19 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: Another Newbie! <> Welcome Bernie! And thanks for sharing that story from the JT/Joni concert - that show is available from the JMDL Tape Tree, the Tree may be done but the music lives on! Let me know if you need to replenish your collection! Looking forward to hearing from you. Bob NP: Neil, "Eldorado" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 17:22:52 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: Comes... Comes the gas bill Put out oldies with your ex Comes alanis You can brush off her success Comes death Nothing can be done Comes your daughter Myrtle come and rescue me Critics slaughter You can kiss a cactus tree Comes death Nothing can be done Don’t try praying Cause it is'nt any use You’re just decaying And your heart runs out of juice Comes the polio Strum coyote with your leg Lost your fine voice Fix your whiskey with an egg Comes death Nothing can be done Comes o'donell You can rush to rikki lake Dumped by donald There’s a tribute they can fake Comes death Nothing can be done Comes a hanson You can dream he is your groom Comes your grandson You can chase him with a broom Comes death Nothing can be done That’s all, joni If you've ever seen a grave That’s all, joni And you know just what the maggots crave Comes o'donell She can't always stay awake Peg o'conell Is now taming william blake Comes death Nothing can be done Nothing can be done ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:39:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Pop Stars (NJC) (Motorhead) - --- Paul Castle wrote: Can I borrow your black eye liner? > > PaulC (a beautiful summers day here in London) > Sure thing! I think I'm allergic to the stuff anyway... Catherine (a MUGGY day here in Trawna.) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 11:56:51 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Comes... WOW! with fans like these...who needs enemies? alison e. - ---------- >From: "Ada Wittenberger" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Comes... >Date: Fri, May 5, 2000, 11:22 AM > >Comes the gas bill >Put out oldies with your ex >Comes alanis >You can brush off her success >Comes death >Nothing can be done > >Comes your daughter >Myrtle come and rescue me >Critics slaughter >You can kiss a cactus tree >Comes death >Nothing can be done > >Don’t try praying >Cause it is'nt any use >You’re just decaying >And your heart runs out of juice > >Comes the polio >Strum coyote with your leg >Lost your fine voice >Fix your whiskey with an egg >Comes death >Nothing can be done > >Comes o'donell >You can rush to rikki lake >Dumped by donald >There’s a tribute they can fake >Comes death >Nothing can be done > >Comes a hanson >You can dream he is your groom >Comes your grandson >You can chase him with a broom >Comes death >Nothing can be done > >That’s all, joni >If you've ever seen a grave >That’s all, joni >And you know just what the maggots crave > >Comes o'donell >She can't always stay awake >Peg o'conell >Is now taming william blake >Comes death >Nothing can be done >Nothing can be done > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 10:45:58 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: Re: Virus Alert (OT) >This information was featured on our local news last night. >-------------------------- >Here's how to remedy the "I Love You" virus: > >Author: >Tim George, Lead Site Developer ­ OmniChoice.com > >The purpose of this document is to explain the impacts of the ILOVEYOU >virus and how to recover from an infection. >About the Virus: >The ILoveYou virus is a virus similar to the Melissa virus of a few >years ago. The ILoveYou virus is transmitted via email as an attachment. >The attachment when executed will install itself on your computer >utilizing the Microsoft Windows Scripting Host and send a copy of itself >to everyone in your personal address book. In addition, each time your >computer is restarted, the virus will also recheck the address book for >new address and forward the message to them as well. To make things >worse, the virus will also search out all hard drives and mapped network >drives for files with the certain extensions (vbs, vbe, js, jse, css, >wsh, sct, hta, jpg, jpeg, mp3, mp2) overwriting them with the virus and >renaming them to a .VBS (Windows Scripting Host application file) >extension. Any time that an infected file with the .vbs file extension >is launched, the process of infecting the computer will restart. > >Vulnerable Computers: >Any computer running Windows 9x or NT with the Windows Scripting Host >loaded are susceptible to this virus. > >Cleaning up computers infected with the virus: > >To repair a computer infected with the ILoveYou virus, perform the >following steps: > >Backup the Registry ­ in case a problem arises. >a. Launch the registry editor (regedit.exe). >b. Choose Registry | Export Registry File. >c. Choose a location on disk to save the file to. >d. Close the registry editor. >Reset the Timeout for the Windows Scripting Host >a. Launch the registry editor (regedit.exe). >b. Open the HKEY_CURRENT_USER key. >c. Open the Software key. >d. Open the Microsoft key. >e. Open the Windows Scripting Host key. >f. Open the Settings key. >g. If the value Timeout exists change the value from 0 (no timeout) so >something appropriate (like 120 ­ 2 Minutes) >h. Close the Registry Editor >Delete the following files: >a. Mskernel32.vbs from the Windows\System directory. >b. Win32dll.vbs from the Windows directory. >c. All occurrences of Love-Letter-For-You.txt*.vbs >Remove Auto-Start (Run / RunServices) entries from Registry >a. Launch the registry editor (regedit.exe) >b. Open the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE key. >c. Open the Software key. >d. Open the Microsoft key. >e. Open the Windows key. >f. Open the CurrentVersion key. >g. Open the Run key. >h. Delete the value named MSKernel32 >i. Close the Run Key and Open the RinServices Key if it exists. >j. Delete the Win32DLL key. >k. Close the Registry Editor. >Delete WIN-BUGSFIX.EXE >a. Delete all occurrences of WIN-BUGSFIX.EXE off any local hard drive >Delete infected HTML files >a. Delete all occurrences of LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.HTM from any local hard >drive. >Clear out the Email Address Logging. >a. Open the Registry Editor >b. Open the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE key. >c. Open the Software key. >d. Open the Microsoft key. >e. Open the WAB key. >f. Delete the default value and all values in the WAB key. (Do not >delete the sub-keys!) >g. Under the WAB4 sub key, delete the First Run value. >Clear Internet Explorer's Cache and reset the default page. >a. Right click on the Internet Explorer Icon on the desktop and click >properties >b. Reset the Default Home Page. >c. Click the Delete Files Button to clear the Temporary Internet Files >Cache >d. Click the Clear History Button in case Internet Explorer was launched >and the malicious file was previously download and in the history list. >e. Click OK >For all drives (including and LAN drives mapped to a infected user's >machine) >a. Delete all files with a .vbs extension, a size of 11K and a timestamp >of the date the computer was infected (or later if not caught >immediately). >(For machines that are regularly backed up record a list of files that >were affected so that they can be restored ­ Commonly effected files >are Microsoft Internet Information Server Web Administration files, >Microsoft Office Templates and Clipart, Microsoft Plus! Themes, >Microsoft Windows Installation files (commonly located in Windows\Cabs >or Windows\Options\Cabs). >-------------------- > >Jeff Zeitz > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:47:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) The Circle Game and Sugar Mountain are 2 of my very most favorite songs. There is something about the subject of vanishing childhood that really gets to me. Even more so as a parent. I wonder how many other songs there are about this subject. I can think of another one, "House at Pooh Corner"- Kenny wrote that as he was about to graduate from high school. Any others? Kate Bennett Singer Songwriter kate@katebennett.com www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:54:25 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: NJC circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) <> "Sunrise, Sunset" from Fiddler is the obvious choice... NP: Neil, "After The Gold Rush" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 18:32:24 GMT From: "Ada Wittenberger" Subject: when i hate you - - - its because i love you. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 19:34:23 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Comes... I hope this is sung to a happy tune, in keeping with the lyric. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:37:47 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: I Want My... I want my, I want my, I want my J.D.L. (No digest since early morn'... :-( I wonder what people are talkin' about?) "Boston Jim" NP: Dire Straits, Brothers In Arms, "Why Worry" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:18:24 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: "Down To You" from Temple Show I was listening to the '74 Temple University Show last weekend, and I noticed that the J-Card lists Down To You on it, but the song isn't on my tape. Is this just a J-Card error or is my tape missing a tune? I couldn't have that! :~) Bob NP: Neil, "Dreamin' Man" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:35:27 EDT From: Treehuggergirl25@aol.com Subject: Re: circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) what about that song Cat's Cradle, i think ...by Jim Croce? argh. i know the song, just not sure who sings it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:49:35 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: "Down To You" from Temple Show I remember Simon posting right after they were ready that Down To You was not apart of the show. NP-Passion Play (maybe I'll start a thread about this one) At 3:18 PM -0400 5/5/00, Bob Muller (Perception) wrote: >I was listening to the '74 Temple University Show last weekend, and I >noticed that the J-Card lists Down To You on it, but the song isn't on my >tape. Is this just a J-Card error or is my tape missing a tune? I couldn't >have that! :~) - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:46:47 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: RE: "Down To You" from Temple Show < was not apart of the show.>> > Thanks, Mark - I figgered that was it... <> Start away, that's my fave song on NRH by a mile! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:32:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) - --- Treehuggergirl25@aol.com wrote: > what about that song Cat's Cradle, i think ...by Jim > Croce? argh. i know the > song, just not sure who sings it. Harry Chapin. (I almost said Harry Nilssen. Sheesh.) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:47:35 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: "Down To You" from Temple Show <> Oh goodie! I had already determined if I get a chance to ask Joan a lyric question in S'toon, it'll be a question about this great song. BTW, my fave on NRH too, Bob! I'm really curious if the interpretaion I have on "In Exxon blue" and "In radiation rose" is close to hers. Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:15:30 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Yuk, yuk, yuk! ;-) (NJC) At Last, An Answer To The Age Old Question "Who Is Jack Schitt?" The lineage is finally revealed. Many people are a a loss for a response when someone says, "You don't know Jack Schitt." Now you can intellectually handle the situation. Jack is the only son of Awe Schitt and O. Schitt. Awe Schitt, the fertilizer magnate, married O. Schitt a partner of Kneedeep & Schitt Inc. In turn, Jack married Noe Schitt, and the deeply religious couple produced 6 children: Holie Schitt, Fulla Schitt, Giva Schitt, Bull Schitt, and the twins, Deep Schitt and Dip Schitt. Against her parents objections, Deep Schitt married Dumb Schitt, a highschool drop out. After being married 15 years, Jack and Noe Schitt divorced. Noe Schitt later married Mr. Sherlock, and because her kids were living with them, she wanted to keep her previous name. She was then known as Noe Schitt-Sherlock. Dip Schitt married Lotta Schitt (no relation) and they produced a nervous son, Chicken Schitt. Fulla Schitt and Giva Schitt were inseparable throughtout childhood and subsequently married the Happens Brothers in a dual ceremony. The Schitt-Happens wedding was the hottest ticket around! The Schitt_happens children were Dawg, Byrd, and Hoarse. Bull Schitt, the prodigal son, left home to tour the world. He recently returned from Italy with his new bride, Piza Schitt. So now if someone says, "You don't know Jack Schitt", you can correct them. Not only do you know Jack, you know the whole family! Just havin' some fun with an old joke....Have a great weekend all! ;-) Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 18:31:22 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Yuk, yuk, yuk! ;-) (NJC) LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! penny, you naughty girl! wallyk - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Penny" Para: Enviado: Viernes 5 de Mayo de 2000 18:15 Asunto: Yuk, yuk, yuk! ;-) (NJC) > At Last, An Answer To The Age Old Question "Who Is Jack Schitt?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:51:43 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Passion Play OK, at the urging of Bob and Penny I'll start a thread on this one. While doing a little yardwork this afternoon Passion Play came into my head and I got to thinking about this song and how lyrically strange it is. I imagine this song is about Larry Klein but it seems totally different, I mean, I'm getting better at realizing what Joni means about her writing but this one has got me really confused. Earlier today I finally realized just what the three little musicians were doing in front of the Pork Pie Hat Bar! Looking over the lyrics I think she may be talking about Jesus back in his day and how the world has changed since that time... did the Exxon spill happen before she wrote this song? "Magdalene is trembling" I think is Mary Magdalene and "never before was a man so kind" I take as Jesus who was the only one who respected her as a prostitute (Bob, if any of my Bible telling is wrong, please correct me! It's been a while since Religion class!) "The walking wounded" may be the ill asking Jesus for healing, "all around the marketplace" is obviously the market, but "who're you gonna get to do the dirty work" confuses me. Maybe she is saying that those who seek to convert others will die and no one else will do their work? Without geting too religous I think that converting is not dirty work. I would love to hear some more opinions on this song. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:28:08 +0100 From: "Hejira" Subject: Passion play I always think of the line "who you going to get to do the dirty work when all the slaves are gone" as relating to the token gesture that Exxon made by paying people to clean up after the Valdez disaster .There was something on the T.V about employees being paid less than minimum wage and causing more damage then any good they could have done. The people working had to wear the Exxon colours as Exxon saw this as a good add for how they care about the environment.For any of you who are interested there is a great page that fills you in on the latest about this on going tragedy. http://www.exxonvaldez.org/ . Wish me luck for my exams next week guys. Best Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:34:50 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Passion Play Adding to my comments: the line "But he sees a stray in the wilderness, and I see how far I wondered" is my guess that Jesus has found another convert and Joni realizes how far she has wandered from the Church. Somebody stop me! :D Good luck on your exams, Kevin! (And wish me luck too!) - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 18:04:24 -0000 From: "alan larson" Subject: Re: circle games & sugar mountains (1/2 JC) I can think of two more off the top of my head, Kate. Child's Song, performed in my head by Tom Rush, and Someday Soon, sung by Judy Collins. Maybe even Cat's in the Cradle by Harry Chapin, or Taxi for that matter. I went to visit a girl I had been dating in my senior year of high school way up to the northern end of Minnesota, and at that camping lodge I discovered that I really loved Sugar Mtn. since I played it as many times as I had quarters for. And now to know that it was the inspiration for Circle Game, the song I think is so attached in my mind to the brilliance of Siquomb, well, it just makes me glad to be a member. You guys are the best. But as for my purchase of Both Sides Now two weeks ago, I guess I'm just not a classic orchestration kind of guy. I went back to Humans and Dancing in the Dragon's Jaw by Bruce Cockburn pretty quickly. I enjoy singing along with the songs I know best, I guess. Anybody else suffer from an inability to change cd's in the car? Alan in Ames ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #234 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?