From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #233 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, May 5 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 233 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Too Much Monkee business (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: Warning about a new computer virusNJC [catman ] Re: Warning about a new computer virus [Mark Domyancich ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #231 (NJC) [Evan + Vanessa Thomson ] Re: Pop Stars (NJC) [Evan + Vanessa Thomson ] some good news (njc) [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Astronomy of the Big Bang njc [dsk ] Concord CA concert [DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us] Re: Neil's CDs NJC [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: some good news (njc) [Treehuggergirl25@aol.com] Re: Neil Young albums (NJC) [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Covers project/day in the garden [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Too Much Monkee business (NJC) [philipf@tinet.ie] Tin soldiers and Nixon's coming ["C.A. Starkey" ] Re: Neil's CDs NJC [Howard Motyl ] Bay Area Show [leslie@torchsongs.com] Re: Warning about a new computer virus [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Neil Young albums (NJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Neil Young Albums (NJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] NJC ["David Piekarczyk" ] Re: some good news (njc) [FMYFL@aol.com] PWWAM [Vince Lavieri ] RE: BSN Concert in Connecticut ["patrick leader" ] Re: Urge for controversy [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Boston Concert Goers [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: some good news (njc) ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: some good news (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] NJC Kent State Anniversary [Don Sloan ] e-mail virus not a hoax NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: e-mail virus not a hoax NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Evolution (njc) ["gene mock" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #231 [BMBSPIRIT@cs.com] Re: Baby Duck? (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: some good news (njc) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Too Much Monkee business (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:28:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Too Much Monkee business (NJC) Now I've seen it all ... even a serious historical retrospective on the creative journey of the Monkees! God I love the jmdl ... and I agree totally, of course. At least the PreFab 4 (they were called that in the day), were flesh and blood guys, musicians or not. Today's midriff baring divas are little more than a custom setting on the Lexicon Harmonizer -- a ghoulish little studio effect unit that digitally generates harmonies from a single vocal input -- and even pitch-corrects that input. Can you say Britney, or U127, as I've taken to calling her? Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 19:32:15 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virusNJC It was on the BBC news this evening. Ten percent of British companies have been affected. the House Of Common system was also infected. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:49:44 -0400 From: "Christine Nunn" Subject: sugar mountain so, I dragged out my old bootleg album, the Posall and the Molsalm, and it ends with "Sugar Mountain" No matter how hard I listen to the banter prior to the song, I keep hearing Joni saying "I wrote this song for a friend of Mine Neil Young." I asked a Joni-lovin' friend about it. He said he has an old tattered recording that says something about her following up on the Circle Game with Sugar Mountain. Anyone know anything about this??? Christine E. Nunn Development Director NYC Anti-Violence Project (212) 714-1184 ext. 29 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:54:17 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virus Luckily our mail server is on a Mac system, which is basically immune to any of these email viruses. NP-DJRD At 12:52 PM -0400 5/4/00, Jerry Notaro wrote: >W e got struck here at the University also. Lost our entire id database. >This one is serious folks. > >Jerry - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 15:00:08 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: sugar mountain In a message dated 05/04/2000 2:41:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cnunn@avp.org writes: << He said he has an old tattered recording that says something about her following up on the Circle Game with Sugar Mountain. Anyone know anything about this??? >> My understanding is that Neil Young wrote Sugar Mountain as a lament to his lost youth--after turning 21 he was no longer allowed to hang out at his favorite club somewhere in Canada. Joni wrote Circle Game in response and to offer hope: there'll be new dreams . . . Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 15:04:53 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Too Much Monkee Business (NJC) It's mostly been said by others, Bob in particular (you gotta love him), but I also had to run to the defense of Mike Nesmith. Aside from the great songs he wrote for the Monkees, he was also the writer of two of Linda Ronstadt's first hits, "Different Drum" and "Some Of Shelley's Blues." After the breakup of the Monkees, Mike made some *very* good albums, and also helped pioneer the music video (very creatively). After the Monkees, he kinda regretted ever having been with the group, because of the resultant stigma and the problem of being taken seriously (and he was/is a *serious* guy, stocking cap notwithstanding). :-) He wouldn't participate in a "reunion" at one point, I recall (I think it was in the early '80s?), so the other three soldiered on without him. I think they may even have recruited Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart to fill the hole left by Mike, but, frankly, my memory of all this is far from trustworthy. I just remember reading about it at the time. Btw...thanks to everyone for this ILOVEYOU virus information. I do love you, but I won't say so 'til this thing is over. :-) "Boston Jim" NP: Steely Dan, "What A Shame About Me" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 21:17:42 +0100 From: catman Subject: French Writer?NJC Can anyone on this list write in French? I need to do some business with a man in France, regarding importing a Lhasa Apso and we have a language problem. i would be grateful if someone could translate an email I want to send into French for me. And then tell me what the reply says in English! Thank you colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 06:41:00 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #231 (NJC) > > Now to completely change the subject.......... > I just had to share what I found in the Trib > Go to: > http://www.marrytom.com/ > Oh, you single gals............I'm so jealous! ha! > (which translates into a big hardy, head > thrown back laugh......Roseanne like). > > Laura > Is this for real? A la "How To Marry a Millionaire" type scenario? This gives me chills and I can gladly say that I'm safely married or I'd be e-mailing Tom willy-nilly! :-) Vanessa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:50:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Leaving briefly ... NJC Got to sign off the jmdl, as I'm on vacation for a couple of days for a long weekend. Normally I'd just let the messages pile up ... but with the volume as high as it's been recently -- lord we're a chatty bunch. Don't talk about nothin' interesting or cool while I'm away -- and I'll see ya next week. Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 07:03:39 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Re: Pop Stars (NJC) > -Mark wrote: > > >I am quite amused. So many people on the list were complaining about > >today's 'manufactured' bands and how bad pop music is. And what is > >the one thing people latch on to from my post on the subject? The > >Monkees. Oh, but they had such talented writers & musicians backing > >them up so they're ok! Oh, yeah I forgot about that! > > Since I was one of the ones complaining, I better respond! > Me too post! > > To be honest I think there's one major difference between the Monkees, and > the two bands I mentioned from the PopStars series, and that's the > seriousness of the whole project. > Me too again! > > I was also always under the impression that the Monkees themselves didn't > take themselves too seriously. They knew they were a gimmick, and there to > make money. The girls in the two PopStars groups are seeing this as a > serious career move, ie. this is going to make them famous, but they're > there for the music first. The debut single from Bardot (the Aussie > PopStars group) hit the charts at No.1. There is no way for that to happen > without some very serious advertising and promotion - and having a > fly-on-the-wall documentary about the whole process doesn't hurt either. > > Me three... the idea that these girls are receiving tremendous industry and media support, so much so that they are the 'first' Australian artists to debut at Number 1 is disheartening. I dislike the idea of 'money generated' pop groups. I consider that 'bad' music rather than a band who genuinely tries yet suck. Alot of the bands I like are not considered good artists or musicians but they do it for the music; like Motorhead. I just bought two of their albums and I love it. Wouldn't call Lemmy the Joni Mitchell of metal lyrics but he's fun. I really don't mind Spice Girls, Backstreet Boys etc but I do dislike the idea of a Milli Vanilli style scenario. > PopStars are manufactured as well, but they don't need a good quality album, > all they need is a large bank-account, a prime-time TV series, and a whizz > promotions team - it doesn't matter how good the music is, because if you > hype it enough, it'll sell. And I don't mean to criticise the girls in the > group. They're all very talented, but also young and naive. All 5 have > gone from "lead-singer in a local band" to "mega-popstar" in about 5 weeks! > What I really don't like about this band or the show (which I did watch for awhile) is the way they chose the girls. All the girls are very attractive and very 'slim'. Larger girls had no chance despite their talent and to see them lied to on television was heartbreaking. You know they were cut because of their weight. It's that idea of Spice Girls yet Australian. A different girl with a different look to appeal to a broad cross section of society. Sexy Girl, Girl-Next -Door, Funky Girl etc. Spice Girls may have had Girl Power and a positive message about taking control but trust me, Pop Stars doesn't. What's worse is they're everywhere. media saturation. I would rather the industry, media and radio focus on the 'genuine' talent. Support the artists already signed up or up and coming or been playing the pub circuit for years. So many talented artists shafted by these plastic pin ups. I would rather hear Tiddas, Vika and Linda Bull, Archie Roach, Brown Hornet or other acts that have feeling. Just like we wish we heard more Joni... Perhaps I can try and sum up my point with a Prince story... he said that he changed his name as he felt enslaved to the record company. He had become a product not an artist, That's why he performed with slave written on his face (paraphrasing big time here). Joni has mentioned this feeling and we all remember the huge George Michael lawsuit where he tried to sue his record company but lost, as he felt they wouldn't let him break from his 'sexy' image. This is what I guess I mean... people are getting chewed up in the process and spat out. Yes, this has always been the way but it doesn't make ot any better. > > I'm going to shut up now, and I apologise, since I don't think I've made my > point very well! > Better than me I must say... I'm just yammering away. > > Hell Vanessa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 16:58:11 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: some good news (njc) Hi everyone. We're winning!!! I got the numbers today for how effective the chemo is. It's measured by a gene marker called CA-125. My numbers dropped from 196 to 78 after just one treatment! Anything below 35 is considered normal. I am psyched beyond words. I got the news and just sat there and cried. My doctor says I'm doing phenomenally well. I don't think I've ever seen a doctor so thrilled! In the meantime, my 2nd chemo is delayed until tomorrow - it's just a scheduling thing, no big deal at all. (Things got dealyed, so it was doubtful that I would have finished in time.) I keep saying it, but it's so true. YOU are the biggest part of my cure. I'm depending on all of you - and your thoughts and prayers are working. Keep up the good work. Now, more than ever, I expect the party at Ashara's to be an amazing celebration. Thank you all so much! lots and lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 17:13:19 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Astronomy of the Big Bang njc Garret wrote: > i hate to interrupt you both on a serious note ... but as a science student , > geology in particular, i am forced to throw in my two cents now..... Oh good, I'm always happy to have a more knowledgeable person help out when I'm stumbling along. > we are only seeing information from billions of years ago we can get some > evidence to back up some of these claims, but these light spectra dont give > very specific info. ... the study of carbonaceous chondrites (as found in > meterites, if memory serves) we can learn about the early history of the > solar system. That's all very interesting, so anytime you want to write more, that's fine with me. To go back to the post from a while ago, no one seems to know about Dr. Tony Prave, mentioned as being the originator of the "we are golden..." woodstock phrase. I think Dr. Prave was actually quoting Joni, was overheard by whoever then repeated the quote without knowing Dr. Prave himself was quoting. Confused enough? There's nothing in all of this science stuff about being golden, and it sounds a little poetic for a scientist to have come up with (not that scientists can't have a soft heart too, but it's a far cry from a blackboard equation). Anyway, thanks Garret for the additional information. And good luck on your exams. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:17:47 -0700 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: Concord CA concert I talked to the administrative office at the (Chronicle) Concord Pavilion. As of today, there is no information of the May 13th concert being cancelled. I was told to call back tomorrow, but that there did not seem to be a reason for the show to be cancelled. Sorry if this has been covered , but I am on digest. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:15:18 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Neil's CDs NJC In a message dated 05/04/2000 10:58:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, howard_scptv@interaccess.com writes: << 1. Harvest--one of the most amazing albums ever produced; the songs Harvest and A Man Needs a Maid are killers. (I fell in love with the actress, she was playing a part that I could understand . . . a maid ) Unbelievably great album. (But let me ask people who know the song and love it--did you ever feel a bit weird liking this song becuz of the treatment of women in the song, as if they are reduced to a maid?) And be certain that I am talking about Harvest here and not Harvest Moon. >> Yes! I still feel slightly guilty loving this song. I'm a big Neil fan, though I've never really discussed this song with anyone, I have my own take on it as simply being an expression of disillusionment over a relationship. He sings "just somone to keep my house clean, fix my meals and go away....a maaaaaaaiiiaaaaaiiiiaaaad...a man needs a maid". It appears he's acknowledging his vulnerability as a male who may be dependent on the "environmental" nurturing a woman can provide him, without risking again the heartaches of being in love. My analysis is not earth shattering, I know, but I do use it to remind myself of how we can all hit rockbottom when we are down on our loveluck. Neil was just in a mood! Neil is one of those recording artists whose beauty as a human being shines right through in his more sensitive songs. Gotta love the guy and cut him some slack on his seemingly insensitive remarks. He's also the songwriter who wrote years later for Harvest Moon: "Come a little bit closer, hear what I have to say, just like children sleepin', we could dream the night away, but there's a full moon risin', let's go dancing in the light, we know where the music's playin', let's go out and feel the night, because I'm still in love with you, I want to see you dance again, because I'm still in love with you, on this harvest moon. Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:42:16 EDT From: Treehuggergirl25@aol.com Subject: Re: some good news (njc) hello.... although i am new to the list, and am not quite sure what the circumstances are, you are in my thoughts and i wish the best for you! it sounds like you've had some great news lately....have fun at the party! - -angela ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:14:07 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Neil Young albums (NJC) I love Neil Young. I've got all his records. My top 3 after many years listening is : 1. After The Goldrush 2. Rust Never Sleeps 3. Zuma Philip NP radio - sounds like Smashing Pumpkins ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:58:39 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Covers project/day in the garden Garret in Dublin wrote : > i was brought > up on Motown, and i never thought that they were very supreme without > Diana!!! Are you kidding ? Check your Dad's record collection for an amazing post Ross record called Stoned Love. Philip NP Bob Dylan - Simple Twist of Fate (on Fanning's show) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:59:57 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Too Much Monkee business (NJC) Mark wrote : > I still think those of us who have fond memories of The Monkees feel > that way simply because it was the music of our particular teen years. > Was it better than what's out there now? I don't know. I hear what you're saying. Some of today's pop is as good as anything from the golden age eg. TLC and Destiny's Child for two. But what I was referring to is cynical marketing of boy/ girl bands aimed at the under 12's. Radio, tv and magazines conspire with the labels to sell this stuff to kids. Turn on the national pop station in the UK /Ireland during the day and you 're likely to hear the DJ lauding some kid from a new boy band who can't play a note as if he was a little god. It's ridiculous. I don't think that "manufactured" is the issue. Some of the best music ever was made in a manufacturing type environment. For example writers like Mann/ Weil/ Carole King/ Elle Grenwich etc went to work each morning in the Brill Building like any other worker except their job was writing songs. It's more to do with things like talent, ethics, idealism. That kind of 60's stuff. Philip NP Bob Dylan - Positively 4th street Probably the best pop record ever made. I was driving home this evening into a beautiful sunset when this came on the radio. I had to get it out for another play. . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 16:06:34 -0400 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: Tin soldiers and Nixon's coming 4 Dead In Ohio *Remember Today* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 17:16:30 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Re: Neil's CDs NJC This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------D45BCF7380A54B382763DEA8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ginamu@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 05/04/2000 10:58:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > howard_scptv@interaccess.com writes: > > << 1. Harvest--one of the most amazing albums ever produced; the songs > Harvest and A Man Needs a Maid are killers. (I fell in love with the > actress, she was playing a part that I could understand . . . a maid ) > Unbelievably great album. (But let me ask people who know the song and > love it--did you ever feel a bit weird liking this song becuz of the > treatment of women in the song, as if they are reduced to a maid?) And > be certain that I am talking about Harvest here and not Harvest Moon. >> > > Yes! I still feel slightly guilty loving this song. I'm a big Neil fan, > though I've never really discussed this song with anyone, I have my own take > on it as simply being an expression of disillusionment over a relationship. > He sings "just somone to keep my house clean, fix my meals and go away....a > maaaaaaaiiiaaaaaiiiiaaaad...a man needs a maid". It appears he's > acknowledging his vulnerability as a male who may be dependent on the > "environmental" nurturing a woman can provide him, without risking again the > heartaches of being in love. My analysis is not earth shattering, I know, but > I do use it to remind myself of how we can all hit rockbottom when we are > down on our loveluck. Neil was just in a mood! I love this interpretation and I will think of it when I listen to the song later. I wanted so badly to have Neil CDs at work today and didn't. Alas. Howard M. - --------------D45BCF7380A54B382763DEA8 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="howard_scptv.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Howard Motyl Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="howard_scptv.vcf" begin:vcard n:Motyl;Howard tel;fax:312-421-7714 tel;work:312-421-7711 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:SCPtv Worldwide adr:;;400 N. May St., Suite 201;Chicago;Illinois;60622;USA version:2.1 email;internet:howard_scptv@interaccess.com title:Director, Creative Development note:"Any time you have the opportunity to accomplish something for those coming behind you and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Howard Motyl end:vcard - --------------D45BCF7380A54B382763DEA8-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 15:19:53 -0700 (PDT) From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: Bay Area Show I asked Jim to check into the rumor regarding the cancellation of Joni's Bay Area show - here's his reply: I talked to someone at the Chronicle Pavilion office, who told me the concert is still on (I'm going to call again tomorrow to make sure that's still the case). When I told her about the 3000 tickets, she said "Oh, we've sold a LOT more than that!" Apparently it's just a rumor. It appears that the show will go on! Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 18:37:45 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virus Our maingate.com offices received the virus. I didn't open the "I Love You" message that carried in to my mail, because of course I knew no one would send me such a message. Unfortunately, others in our offices did open it, and it wiped out a lot of our image (jpeg) files, but I am told that it's only affected us internaly and has not reached our website. Everyone except the tech guys went home at 3:30 p.m. EDT; they'll be there late, I am sure. Paul I In a message dated 5/4/00 2:57:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << Luckily our mail server is on a Mac system, which is basically immune to any of these email viruses. NP-DJRD At 12:52 PM -0400 5/4/00, Jerry Notaro wrote: >W e got struck here at the University also. Lost our entire id database. >This one is serious folks. > >Jerry >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 18:55:27 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Neil Young albums (NJC) I also want to recommend Neil Young's first album; self-titled. It's probably in my top 5 favorite Neil Young albums. It's a bit overproduced or *something*. Please forgive me, if that's not how it should be described but his voice sounds smoother to me on this record than it does on subsequent releases and previous Buffalo Springfield tracks I'm familiar with. But it's has some excellent songwriting on it and as debut albums go, it's quite good. Other favorites include Zuma, On The Beach, Comes A Time, Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere and Harvest. But my all-time favorite Neil is Tonight's The Night. That's Neil Young, no holds barred on the emotion. If I have all my facts straight, TTN was recorded in a single night, in someone's garage as a tribute to the former Crazy Horse guitarist Danny Whitten and a roadie named Bruce Barry, who both died of drug overdoses, within a short time of each other. It's an acquired taste but about as sincere a recording as they get. I own Decade and it's a common sense recommendation for those who want a good sampling. It's exceptional as compilations go but if you like what you hear on it, really try to collect his most accessible and classic works, at the very least. He's one of those artist, like Joni, who has concepts or themes that run through the songs and song arrangements. It's well worth it to collect as much as one can of his work. I admit, though, to never having owned Weld or similar other esoteric Neil projects but as with Joni's work, I intend to eventually have his whole catalogue in my collection. He's probably my second favorite songwriter. Has anyone heard anything from Neil's new album? I've not yet picked it up. Take care, Gina NP: You And Me - Harvest Moon, Neil Young ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 18:58:56 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Neil Young Albums (NJC) Oh, and I forgot to add in my last post that in my opinion, Neil Young's contributions to the recent CSNY release are its only saving grace. Though in fairness, I do have to give a few more listens. Trouble is, there's so much great music out there to listen to, that I just don't want to put the energy into trying to be fair to CSN. I hope no one will be mad at me for saying so. Take care, Harvest Moon - Neil Young ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 18:07:01 CDT From: "David Piekarczyk" Subject: NJC When I read the info on the Discussion list , the thing that seemed to make the most sense was using the NJC. I read thru the last 10 or 12 archives to get up to date and was amazed on how little it was used so I thought I would start out my intro message with NJC since the content really didn't have anything to do with Joni. Has this "Rule" been discontinued? My favorite album? The un-recorded performance she gave at the Cellar Door in Wahington, D.C.(1968) where I had the opportunity to meet her. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 20:22:19 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: some good news (njc) In a message dated 05/04/2000 5:06:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, asandstrom@allaire.com writes: << We're winning!!! I got the numbers today for how effective the chemo is. It's measured by a gene marker called CA-125. My numbers dropped from 196 to 78 after just one treatment! >> That's WONDERFUL news Anne! With this many people who care about you and have been sending good vibes and prayers your way, it was bound to happen. Plus I think with your having such a good attitude helped out tremendously. We're all in your corner sweetie! You keep it up! Lots of love to you! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 20:52:10 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: PWWAM Playing around with the internet I discovered that Painting With Words and Music is going to be televised on WLRN on Saturday, 13 May at 8:00 p.m. I have no idea where WLRN is, but if you get it, you can watch it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 20:49:35 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: BSN Concert in Connecticut hi heather, i'm keeping this public for the public reasons. private, i will probably catch a train around 2 pm (with kenny) to new haven, blah, blah... the public part is i'm dressing up for this concert. no tie, but a nice suit with a nice shirt. didn't you say the venue had pretty decent food possibilities? let's do that, and if not, let's dress for dinner and for joni! this is a full-orchestra event and we're in the second row. time to work the glamour, baby!!! patrick np - reich remixed >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >Heather >Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:26 AM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: BSN Concert in Connecticut > > >To all those planning to attend the BSN show in Connecticut: > >Please contact me as soon as possible if you would like to get together >before the show. The list of folks getting together (so far) is: >myself & >Fred, Ashara, Patrick, Kenny, Jenny and the Chili's. I'm trying to make >eating arrangements for before the show. The more JMDLie's the merrier! > >Thanks! >Heather - (who is feverishly studying for finals!) > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 21:13:08 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Urge for controversy In a message dated 5/4/2000 6:31:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << If it was indeed the first song she wrote, it doesn't surprise me that's it's in standard tuning, and that she subsequently found it too limiting. And there are several lines which (to me) just scream Joni! For example, "geese in chevron flight" cf. "hexagram of the heavens"! >> This is not the first song she wrote. The first song she wrote was called Day After Day. It is not the song that they use on Godspell either.... that was called Day By Day. Catgirl ;o) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 21:17:40 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Boston Concert Goers Anyone attending the Boston show that would like to get together beforehand/afterwards to eat dinner/shmooze/plan the New England Jonifest ;-) please e-mail me so we can start making plans!! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 18:43:36 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: some good news (njc) > > I got the numbers today for how effective the chemo is. It's measured by a > gene marker called CA-125. My numbers dropped from 196 to 78 after just one > treatment! Anything below 35 is considered normal. I am psyched beyond > words. I got the news and just sat there and cried. My doctor says I'm doing > phenomenally well. I don't think I've ever seen a doctor so thrilled! Excellent, Anne! This is great news! > > In the meantime, my 2nd chemo is delayed until tomorrow - it's just a > scheduling thing, no big deal at all. (Things got dealyed, so it was > doubtful that I would have finished in time.) > > I keep saying it, but it's so true. YOU are the biggest part of my cure. I'm > depending on all of you - and your thoughts and prayers are working. Keep up > the good work. Now, more than ever, I expect the party at Ashara's to be an > amazing celebration. Still sending those prayers your way! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:55:11 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: some good news (njc) go anne go!!!! keep all that aries energy going, sweetie! flamethrow that demon out of the way! thinking of you and vibing big time, wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 19:12:53 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: NJC Kent State Anniversary I'm on digest so maybe someone else has posted something on this but as of yet I haven't seen it. Today marks the 30th Anniversary of the Kent State Massacre. If interested in this - nostalgia for us old-timers and maybe some good education for the younger members - you can go to the following. BTW, the second of the two sites is excellent at all times. Peace, Don =====> Kent State shootings remembered State: OH, Country: United States The 1970 murder of four college students protesting the Vietnam War by National Guardsmen is being remembered today at Kent State and around the country. (5/4/00) URL: http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/05/04/kent.state.revisit/index.html =====> The May 4th deaths: Kent State 30 years ago Author: Murray Polner Country: United States Thirty years later, the Kent State massacre remains an open wound. (5/4/00) URL: http://www.antiwar.com/orig/polner3.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:24:54 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: e-mail virus not a hoax NJC My employer's email system is also down due to an email virus that sends copies to everyone in your address book. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:32:17 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: e-mail virus not a hoax NJC i've just downloaded the virus definition and protection from http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/download.html use it! wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:58:20 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: PWWAM It looks like WLRN is a Florida Public Broadcasting Station. Their web page (still showing April programming) is at: http://www.wlrn.org/tv/index.htm Cassy N.P. Willy Porter "Dog Eared Dream" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 20:27:19 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: Evolution (njc) Any of you guys ever remember Red Mountain Wine at $1.79 a gallon? You could take that and a can of frozen Hawaiian Punch to start off having a good time. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Catherine McKay To: evian ; Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 6:26 AM Subject: Re: Evolution (njc) > > > --- evian wrote: > > LOLOL!!! I forgot all about baby duck! LOL! Oh God, > > I shudder thinking > > of it... remember Lonesome Charlie and Strawberry > > Angel and Bianca as > > well? Once, my friends and I even bought > > THUNDERBIRD, because, after > > all, it was like 23% alcohol, and something like 4 > > dollars a bottle, so > > it was way cheaper than buying a couple of bottles > > of Absolut, my fave > > teenage drink (was v.g. mixed with grape kool aid) > > Or plain old alcool with purple Kool-aid - good ol' > purple jesus. > > > or apricot brandy. > > or cherry schnapps > > And the year I was in Quebec, we drank a lot of cheap > sherry and port because it was so cheap there! Cheap > Port and Old Port Cigars (yikes!) > > ===== > Catherine (in Toronto) > catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca > > _______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:29:37 EDT From: BMBSPIRIT@cs.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #231 I am a new subsgriber and a fan o JM for 35 ish years. Mostly her folk years because I'm just not a big jazz fan and thats how I interpreted her later music. I am a contributor to a web page of Nanci Griffiths and mentioned my interest in Joni. Someone there told of this site and I just dropped by to tell a story from many years ago. I'm from NYC and used to listen to WNEW FM when they used to have folk music on Saturday mornings and once in a while live concerts. ONe of these concerts was Joni and James Taylor together . It was one of the best radio concerts I had ever heard and I even had a tape of it for a while but thats long since gone. They were both very good storytellers (especially joni ) when introducing songs but I will never forget her introduction of Circle Game.( Many of you may know this story, but if you don't , it is pretty interesting. Joni was talking about how in certain areas of life ,she mentioned modelling, someone could be considered old or over the hill at 25 years of age . She talked about when she was growing up in Canada how they had clubs that were only for teenagers and she had this friend that became very depressed after his twentieth birthday because he couldn't hang out with his friends anymore. So,she said, he ran off to become a folk singer ala Bob Dylan and he wrote a song which was a lament for his lost youth. I quote her; " And the words went,"( She spoke them, didn't sing them ) " Oh to live on Sugar Mountain, with the Barkers and the colored baloons You can't be twenty on Sugar Mountain, although you"re thinkin that you're leaving there too soon.You're leaving there too soon," I was very moved because although I liked Neil Young, I had never understood what those lyrics had meant and Joni then went on to say that she wrote her next song ffor him to show that not all is lost, and it was Circle Game. I would love to have a copy of that concert if anyone would possibly know how. I also waited for hours on the side of a hill in 1970 at the Isle of Wight just to hear her sing and after only a few songs a guy that was a part of the " Family " we had formed at the festival took the mike from her and started calling for a "Free Concert" Joni tried to be courteous but when they took him off stage , she gave moving speech to the crowd, finished one song and walked off. I will never forget how angry I was at this person for what he did, especially since as soon as he met someone and was getting laid, the "Revolution" was over. Hope I didn't bore you. Bernie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 18:27:52 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Baby Duck? (NJC) Evian wrote: >LOLOL!!! I forgot all about baby duck! LOL! Oh God, I shudder thinking >of it... remember Lonesome Charlie and Strawberry Angel and Bianca as >well? Never heard of Baby Duck, but we had a drink called Cold Duck that I remember well! It was a "wine-flavoured drink", and I remember it was like fizzy red wine. I don't know what the alcohol content was, but it must have been pretty low, because as kids, we were allowed to drink it on special occasions. It's not available any more, but I'd love to try it again, and see if it's as bad as I remember! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 18:29:06 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: some good news (njc) >I keep saying it, but it's so true. YOU are the biggest part of my cure. I'm >depending on all of you - and your thoughts and prayers are working. Keep up >the good work. Now, more than ever, I expect the party at Ashara's to be an >amazing celebration. Great news! I'll keep sending the positive thoughts your way! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 18:31:07 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Too Much Monkee business (NJC) Mark wrote : >I still think those of us who have fond memories of The Monkees feel >that way simply because it was the music of our particular teen years. >Was it better than what's out there now? I don't know. To give you another perspective, I grew up AFTER the Monkees had been and gone, and came across their music only about 10-15 years ago, and still really liked it. I don't think I'll be saying the same thing about Brittany Spears et al. ten years from now! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #233 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?