From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #232 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, May 4 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 232 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Urge for Going Controversey ["Kakki" ] Re: SF Concert ["Kakki" ] Re: Urge for controversy [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Too Much Monkee business (NJC) [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Urge for controversy [Deb Messling ] Re: Urge for controversy ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Too Much Monkee business (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Urge for controversy [Deb Messling ] Re: Urge for controversy ["Ken (slarty)" ] Astronomy of the Big Bang; Was "we are stardust" njc ["Garret" ] Nice Judds!NJC ["Paul Castle" ] NJC New Member ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] Neil Young albums (NJC) ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] RE: Urge for Going Controversy [Louis Lynch ] Baby Duck? (NJC) ["kerry" ] sisters and music (NJC) [Anne Sandstrom ] RE:a new member of the list! (NJC) ["Garret" ] Teenage Kicks [Jason Maloney ] Re: Evolution (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Covers project/day in the garden ["Garret" ] RE:a new member of the list! (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Warning about a new computer virus [Marian ] Neil's CDs NJC [Howard Motyl ] Hissing Demos [Howard Motyl ] BSN Concert in Connecticut [Heather ] Re: Too Much Monkee business (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Warning about a new computer virus ["Alison Einerson" ] Re: Warning about a new computer virus [Catherine McKay ] Re: Too Much Monkee business (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Warning about a new computer virus [Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Urge for Going Controversey Marian wrote: > I have this same feeling about it, Les. I think what bothers me the most is the standard tuning and >the rather standard melody and chord progression. It's very folky and most of Joni's early songs just >aren't very folky, even the ones I've heard that are on the early tape trees. It's possible to play UFG in >a tuning, though. When I put it into a tuning, it sounds a whole lot better to me and it's easier to >believe that it really was authored by Joni. > It would be nice if you could dig up that old post and anything > related to it. Me three. At the time, I was one of the defenders of the woman's post in that it could be possible. And I agree there is something about the song that is too typically Canadian folky for the early Joni. Don't get me wrong - I think UFG is one of the most classically beautiful songs I've ever heard - but I'm open to the idea that there may have been another's influence in it. I don't have my posts from that time to cite the exact date but my best guess is that it was around August-September 1997. Kakki NP: Laura Nyro - Child in a Universe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 01:09:38 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: SF Concert > That's the first I have heard of this. I have noticed that > they keep running the ad for the show in the pink. I would > be inclined to think they will go ahead with it, even if > it is not well attended...c'mon No. Cal, this is Joni, > dammit! Dear Ken and Randy, Shall I add you to the L.A. party list now? ;-D Kakki NP: Laura Nyro - American Dreamer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:25:11 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Urge for controversy I love conspiracy theories so I'll go with the flow here for a while. I'm sure it is a Joni song but there is something manly about that song. Some of those early songs are not what you'd expect from someone who was inspired to start writing after hearing Positively Fourth St, an awful lot of sea images for someone who lived hundreds of miles from the sea. Winter Lady is an obvious man's song, why did she make one of her first songs for a man to sing ? She said lately that BSN was among the first 10 songs that she wrote but she seems to have had a pile of other songs then. The truth is probably that she was developing and hadn't settled on a style yet. Early Joni fascinates me so I would also love to hear what Pat has to say. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:25:49 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Too Much Monkee business (NJC) Mark or Travis wrote : > > Thank you all for proving my point about generational prejudice! > LOL > I don't know if it does Mark. The Monkees are probably a bad example because even though they were manufactured they were very good. Teen pop now is basically a heartless exercise in getting kids to part with their pocket money. My eight year old grows out of these groups at an alarming rate - now The Spice Girls are out and someone else is in. When I got into Hendrix and Joni I still loved my Monkees, Small Faces, Motown etc etc records. The Monkees must have crashed very fast because I recall Davy Jones doing a tour of cabaret venues in Ireland in about '70/'71 which is a very long way to fall. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 06:31:30 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Urge for controversy My memory is that this woman did not post to the Joni list. She posted to the Dar Williams list, and someone quoted her on JMDL. At the time, I found her post on the Dar list and sent her an email, but she never replied. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:31:25 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Urge for controversy Les wrote: >I agree that most of the song could be structurally compared to Joni's >other work at the time. However, the chord structure and melody during >this passage: > >"When the sun turns traitor cold >And all the trees are shivering in a naked row" > >seem odd, almost clumsy to me. It just doesn't seem to "flow" like the >rest of Joni's work does. Maybe I'm analyzing it too much! Personally I've never even considered that this song might not be Joni's. She mentions in one of the interviews in Stacey Luftig's book (p.203), in response to the question - "How did your tunings develop?": JM: "Well, I wrote my first song, "Urge for Going," in standard tuning, and I guess it's because of the stars; in the folk houses, the chords that everybody played sounded the same, while the chords that I heard in my head you couldn't get off the neck, even with tremendous facility." If it was indeed the first song she wrote, it doesn't surprise me that's it's in standard tuning, and that she subsequently found it too limiting. And there are several lines which (to me) just scream Joni! For example, "geese in chevron flight" cf. "hexagram of the heavens"! As for the phrase above, it's not the first (or last) of Joni's songs not to "flow"! How about: "The last time I saw Richard was Detroit in '68 and he told me..." - 18 syllables and the next verse "You laugh he says to me, you think you're immune..." - 11 syllables Actually, I guess whether she wrote it or not, or bought it or not, doesn't really matter at the end of the day, but it's just so "Joni"! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:49:19 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Too Much Monkee business (NJC) Mark wrote: >I am quite amused. So many people on the list were complaining about >today's 'manufactured' bands and how bad pop music is. And what is >the one thing people latch on to from my post on the subject? The >Monkees. Oh, but they had such talented writers & musicians backing >them up so they're ok! Oh, yeah I forgot about that! Since I was one of the ones complaining, I better respond! To be honest I think there's one major difference between the Monkees, and the two bands I mentioned from the PopStars series, and that's the seriousness of the whole project. I was also always under the impression that the Monkees themselves didn't take themselves too seriously. They knew they were a gimmick, and there to make money. The girls in the two PopStars groups are seeing this as a serious career move, ie. this is going to make them famous, but they're there for the music first. The debut single from Bardot (the Aussie PopStars group) hit the charts at No.1. There is no way for that to happen without some very serious advertising and promotion - and having a fly-on-the-wall documentary about the whole process doesn't hurt either. I'm starting to ramble ('cos it's late) but I guess what I'm trying to say, is that with the Monkees, I've always thought of them as a group "manufactured" to compete with the Beatles, and the management behind them knew they'd have to have some quality material to back them up with, ie. using Carole King as a song-writer! PopStars are manufactured as well, but they don't need a good quality album, all they need is a large bank-account, a prime-time TV series, and a whizz promotions team - it doesn't matter how good the music is, because if you hype it enough, it'll sell. And I don't mean to criticise the girls in the group. They're all very talented, but also young and naive. All 5 have gone from "lead-singer in a local band" to "mega-popstar" in about 5 weeks! Maybe this also has to do with the musical climate at present. There are a lot of mediocre bands out there, and (IMO) there doesn't seem to be as much discernment as there used to be. I'm going to shut up now, and I apologise, since I don't think I've made my point very well! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 07:00:12 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Urge for controversy At a 1967 performance available on one of the early tape trees, Joni said she BSN was three days old, so it certainly wasn't among the first 10 songs she wrote. Maybe she meant it was among the first ten she wrote that made it to record. Possibly she has psychically disowned the songs that she never recorded. As to Urge for Going being the first song she wrote, I've seen several references over the years to a song "Day After Day" being the first song she wrote - see the JMDL articles archive. At 11:25 AM 5/4/00 +0100, you wrote: >She said lately that BSN was among the first 10 songs that >she wrote but she seems to have had a pile of other songs then. > > > Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 06:55:30 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: Urge for controversy I'd just like to add to what Marian said about the chord progression. It has an unmistakable '60's feel to it. I can't put my finger on what it is but those chords captured something that was in the air at the time. I wrote a song when I was about 16 with the same chord progression and it is almost identical to Joni's though not the same. I thought I was terribly original until later I heard at least 3 songs using the same progression (there are probably more) and instil the same "feel" off the times. The first that I remember is - -Let's Get Together (Come on people now) -The Young Bloods and then - -Urge for Going and a little latter - -Monster -Stepenwolf What I wrote was actually closer to Monster though I heard that song quite a bit later. Marian wrote: > On Wed, 03 May 2000 11:20:35 -0600 Les Irvin wrote: > > > Urge for Going has always seemed to me > > to be an "odd" Joni song. The chord > > structure and the melodic flow seem to > > be unlike anything else she was doing > > at the time... > > I have this same feeling about it, Les. I think what bothers me > the most is the standard tuning and the rather standard melody and > chord progression. It's very folky and most of Joni's early songs > just aren't very folky, even the ones I've heard that are on the > early tape trees. It's possible to play UFG in a tuning, though. > When I put it into a tuning, it sounds a whole lot better to me > and it's easier to believe that it really was authored by Joni. > > It would be nice if you could dig up that old post and anything > related to it. > > Marian > Vienna > > NP: Brandy Eyes - Joni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:10:43 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Astronomy of the Big Bang; Was "we are stardust" njc Jim and debra, i know nothing about the origin of the quote, and i hate to interrupt you both on a serious note (i'm on digest , so if im repeating...sorry), but as a science student , geology in particular, i am forced to throw in my two cents now..... firstly, an underlying fact is that we are not sure how teh universe came about. but the well known theory of the "big bang" does indeed seem to be the most likely. some sixteen billion years agothe universe was fromed. following this Big Bang only the lighteset elements were present (eg- hydrogen, helium). the other elements, it is believed,came about from the fusion of these wihtin individual stars. by analysing the spectra of stars we gain knowledge about the abundant elements. by examining in this fashion stars at a such a huge distance that we are only seeing information from billions of years ago we can get some evidence to back up some of these claims, but these light spectra dont give very specific info. instead, it is more convenient to examine our own solar system (i'm probably going totally off the point) for evidence of the past. through the study of carbonaceous chondrites (as found in meterites, if memory serves) we can learn about the early history of the solar system. as a point of fact, our solar system formed from the solar nebula around 4.56bn years ago, so it isn't evidence gathered from the here isn't entirely indicitive of the begining of hte universe, i know. but the point i'm trying ot make is that the comparison of the spectra evidence and the chondrite evidence can indeed tell a fascinating story.......no, that wasn't the point that i was trying ot make at all!! sorry! the stress of the exams must be getting to me, they start tomorrow!! GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 07:39:02 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Neil Young Albums (NJC) Good mornin', all. :-) I was just catching up with the two digests I received last evening/night, and thought I'd add to the Neil Young recommendations. Many of the great ones have already been pointed out, but there are two others I'd like to suggest to the neophyte: 1. Decade - this three CD set is a "greatest hits" sampler, chosen by Neil himself. Released in 1976, I believe, it includes essential tracks from his days in the Buffalo Springfield, his solo debut, Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere, early CSNY, After The Goldrush, Harvest, Tonight's The Night, On The Beach, Zuma, and American Stars 'n' Bars, as well as some excellent songs which were previously unreleased at the time. There's a whole lotta rockin' goin' on, but there're many acoustic tracks, too. It's a well-chosen collection, with comments from Neil, in the booklet, on each song. A great place to start. 2. Weld - This is Neil at his most rockin' and exclusively electric. A double live album with Crazy Horse that was recorded just after the release of Ragged Glory (which Bob was already recommended, and which is Neil's most recent studio "classic," imho), it not only offers killer versions of most of the Ragged Glory material, but also other career highlights such as "Cinnamon Girl," "Cortez The Killer," "Powderfinger," "Like A Hurricane," "Hey Hey, My My (Into The Black)," "Crime In The City," and "Rockin' In The Free World." Neil's playing, and the guitar sound he gets throughout, are beautifully powerful, and all of the performances are inspired. I saw this tour, and this 2-CD set is a fantastic document from it. 3. & 4. Live Rust and Year Of The Horse - two other very fine double live albums, both with Crazy Horse. Live Rust is 1/4 acoustic, and then rocks with a vengeance. Year Of The Horse is far more recent, solely electric like Weld, and features great versions of some latter day tunes from the Broken Arrow album (Neil's most recent studio effort with Crazy Horse), as well as many other nuggets from throughout his career. As Marcel said recently (on another topic, entirely): "Go get 'em, tiger." All of the albums mentioned, by everybody, are "happenin'." "Boston Jim" NP: Oregon, Out Of The Woods, "Waterwheel" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:39:58 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Nice Judds!NJC Colin catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk wrote: >Here in the UK another name for breasts(women's) is Juggs. Or sometimes 'Bristols' (rhyming slang - as in Bristol City = Titty). Anyone who plays in a group will know that each member of the band usually has a 'set list' at their feet when playing live and that the names of the songs are often abbreviated for easy recognition. Playing a gig a while back we had a set list that included John Martyn's 'I Don't Want to Know About Evil' (shortened to 'Evil') followed by a song written by one of the band members about travelling through the West of England containing the line "Bristol's in the West" (shortened -crassly - to 'Bristols'). The singer from the act that followed our set looked down at our set list which had been left on stage at his feet and said, "Jeez, that group has some weird song titles. There's one here called 'Evil Bristols'. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 08:04:53 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: NJC New Member Dave wrote: <> Welcome, Dave! Yes, you CAN blab away about Joni - if you're like me, you can talk like a fool, and we'll listen" :~) And even thought to put an NJC on your very first post - I *am* impressed! Looking forward to hearing more from you, Dave! Bob (also known as the "SCJoniGuy") NP (Now Playing): Yes, "And You & I, II Eclipse" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 08:16:53 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: Neil Young albums (NJC) Boston Jim made this great suggestion: <<1. Decade - this three CD set is a "greatest hits" sampler, chosen by Neil himself. >> And on top of that, Neil's working on an 8-CD boxset of rarities for release later in the year! That should be an awesome collection, I'm putting away my pennies even as we speak! If only Joni would put out something like that! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 05:42:45 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Urge for Going Controversy Hi all, Jumping in with about 1.5 cents... I vote that Urge for Going is purely Joni's work. She may have borrowed a cadence or a phrase, but I can't believe she bought it from someone else. First off, in those days, she wasn't really wealthy enough to buy up songs like an omen of Michael Jacksons to come. Second, if she fell in love with the song and just "had to have it," she would have recorded it before Tom Rush had a chance. When recording musicians fall in love with a song, they usually record it while the passion's hot. In those days, there were so many Joni Mitchell songs in demand by other singers, she would have no need to go out looking for others. Third, she doesn't seem to be the type of person to take credit for other people's creative work. She does borrow heavily, in both her music and her painting, but if she had ever been guilty of plagiarizing, there would have been lawsuits galore. They nailed George Harrison for the familiarity of "My Sweet Lord" with "He's So Fine." Surely, someone even more controversial like Joni would have been dragged across the coals. Also, to me, it sounds like a Joni Mitchell song, regardless of the tuning. The poetry, the timing, even the breathiness, are very typical of her other compositions of that era, such as "Marcie" or "Tin Angel" (in a minor key). The phrases "summer colored skin," "bully winds," "all her empires are falling down" sound like pure Joni Mitchell to me. "Urge for Going" and "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio" are two of my favorite Joni songs, for the same reason. They are quintessential pop songs, with an uncanny ability to create visual images with very acute poetry. They both have a similar flow, so I could not imagine Joni writing one but not the other. They even sound alike at parts, "Urge" is certainly not outside her palette of musical styles. Finally, if she had to buy such a beautiful song, surely she would be grateful enough to credit the songwriter properly. Dirty for dirty, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 07:47:48 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Baby Duck? (NJC) Evian wrote: >>LOLOL!!! I forgot all about baby duck! LOL! Oh God, I shudder thinking of it... remember Lonesome Charlie and Strawberry Angel and Bianca as well? << What is baby duck?? Sounds interesting. Another one to add to the list is "Annie Green Springs." Does anyone remember that? About the same quality (and sugar content) of Boone's Farm! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 09:14:19 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: sisters and music (NJC) Hi all. Reading the discussion about the Judds playing Joni songs in their barn reminded me of my sister and I climbing up on the porch roof at my grandparents summer house in the mountains of New Hampshire and singing Joni music. The acoustics were fantastic because of the way the mountain surrounded the house. We were 14 at the time, but I wrote a song about it titled "When We Were Ten." (It just sounded better than 14... It's one of those songs that doesn't read particularly well without the music.) the one verses about our rooftop singing goes: Sing from the roof, you said Not much to do, you said Make the woods ring We would sing all afternoon Try to keep the world in tune lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:54:14 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: RE:a new member of the list! (NJC) Catherine McKay wrote: > Of course, you realize that, although right now you > may be considered, well, a little "odd" by your > friends and family, if you wait, oh, 20 to 40 years or > thereabouts, people will suddenly start thinking > you're just too cool for words, and all those > schoolmates of yours who diss you now, will be > clamouring to be remembered as your best friend "way > back when". Or maybe they'll honour you at some TV > show where a whole bunch of famous people will show up > (some well-dressed, some in rags) gushing and oozing > overly wonderful things about you, while the rest of > us, your *real* friends ;) out here will get all > jealous and catty about being left out of the > action... ohhhhh, how could i ever forget such wonderful, talented, and funny people? LOL- this was just the laugh i needed!! thanks Catherine, i always love reading your posts! You're always so chatty and funny! > Tongue planted so firmly in cheek, I may have bitten > part of it off (ouch!)... LOL- what??? does that mean Catherine (in Toronto) will be quiet for a while? GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 02:06:48 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Teenage Kicks Firstly, a huge welcome to all the newbies..... Madeline, Sara and any other "younger" members among us - please write as often as you wish!!!! Do NOT feel intimated by anyone or anything you see on the JMDL! Your thoughts and opinions are just as valid. I've enjoyed your "coming-out" posts immensely.. :-) Easier said than done, I admit. There are times when I refrain from posting on a thread because of that "oh, I'll come across as being less knowledgeable or familiar with some aspect of Joni or her work". It's only natural. Even to someone who's been around here for almost 2 years, and who has every Joni studio album. I'm personally delighted we have some vocal younger members on here. I've been feeling a bit out of the Joni-loop of late. A mixture of things - living in the UK and not being privvy to all the various BSN promotion and tribute shindigs, BSN itself not really being *my kind of thing* (sorry, I know it means alot to many of you, and I wouldn't dream of trashing it, but that genre of music simply doesn't resonate with me), and also various outside areas of my life being in a state of flux. I don't have so much energy or desire to throw myself into e-mails like I used to. I try to read as many of the sometimes overwhelming deluge of threads and posts as I can, but I have to accept for the time being that I'm just not able to give it the same attention or devotion as before. The whole "todays music/teen music" topic has pretty much contained any thoughts I could add, other than to re-state my own sluttish preferences :-) I like it all, as anyone who's taken even the most cusory glance at the charts featured on my website. Britney, M2M, Moby, Sting, Goo Goo Dolls and that "I Hate You So Much Right Now!!!" record all happily rub shoulders with each other. There *is* a slightly worrying trend of endless conveyorbelt teen pop developing, but it's always been that way, I think. It just tends to ebb and flow. 2000 happens to be one of those times when it's at its most widepsread. So, great to have all you newcomers around, and to the old-timers and established regulars of the JMDL...stay in there! I'd miss you if you went :-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 09:26:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Evolution (njc) - --- evian wrote: > LOLOL!!! I forgot all about baby duck! LOL! Oh God, > I shudder thinking > of it... remember Lonesome Charlie and Strawberry > Angel and Bianca as > well? Once, my friends and I even bought > THUNDERBIRD, because, after > all, it was like 23% alcohol, and something like 4 > dollars a bottle, so > it was way cheaper than buying a couple of bottles > of Absolut, my fave > teenage drink (was v.g. mixed with grape kool aid) Or plain old alcool with purple Kool-aid - good ol' purple jesus. > or apricot brandy. or cherry schnapps And the year I was in Quebec, we drank a lot of cheap sherry and port because it was so cheap there! Cheap Port and Old Port Cigars (yikes!) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:37:49 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Covers project/day in the garden the postman has just been around!! what an awsome Joni day! i got my set of the Bob's covers project!! and the video of A Day in the Garden came!! thanks Bob, and John!! and hugs to you Ashara!! i've been listening to the covers!!! amazing!! i'm ona study break, so it's a case of how many songs can i squeeze in !! this post also seems to be going for a record in the number of exclamation marks that one person can use!! i've never heard of Tuck&Patti before, but there "Woodstock" is great. and i'm liking "the Priest" by Jesse Hultberg lots. this is one of my favourite Joni tracks. finally, i can see why the fuss was made about Jacqui Fitzgerald. her "dry cleaner...." is wonderful!!! and there's so much more the big surprise for me is the Supremes wiht "all i want". i was brought up on Motown, and i never thought that they were very supreme without Diana!!! (just think "Up the ladder to the Roof" ) but i thought that their version of All i want is unique!! fun and great!! they make a great addition to the collection! as for the video, i'm going to keep that until I finish the exams (roll on may 17th). it'll be part of my end of term celbrations!! or consolations as is likely at this point!! (ggod news though, i have finally gotten my head around eigenvectors!!! yay!) ok, i'll shut up now GARRET ps- for those counting, i used 38 exclamation marks!! (eh, make that 40) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 09:35:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE:a new member of the list! (NJC) - --- Garret wrote: > does that mean Catherine (in Toronto) > will be quiet for a while? Not bloody likely! (My fingers are still intact!) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:34:14 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Was Nice Juggs (NJC) now Nice Set Lists Stretching the thread to its limits, I've been wondering what anomalies Joni's set lists might have thrown up over the years. (the abbreviations don't have to come from song titles, just a clue to the song for easy on-stage recognition) 1. Furry 2. Pork Pie 3. Hissing 3 Yazgur's 4. Court 5. Case 6. Judgement 7. Starlight 8. Robbery [so this is how the tabloid newspapers compose their headlines] PaulC PS I had Green Willy but I crossed it out. (Go away! I hear you shout) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 09:50:09 EDT From: Guitarpoint@aol.com Subject: Re: Urge for Going Controversy In regard to all this controversy with Urge For Going, Remember when the woman tried to sue Stevie Nicks for the song Sara. One of the things the lady said was that is was so different from other Nicks songs. Remember the guy who tried to sue Mick Jagger for one of his songs? It happens all the time. I think it's purely Joni. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:06:24 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: SJC Current Concert Tour In a message dated 05/03/2000 11:04:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << Well.....Joni hasn't played the dulcimer on stage for 25 years, and it's been a great many years since she performed anything on the piano. >> I saw the WTRF tour at Jones Beach (NY) and she played the dulcimer (ACOY--don't remember if she played California). Maybe on her next tour! Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:00:23 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: Covers project/day in the garden <> Thanks for the post, Garrett! I love to hear the feedback...I also liked that take on "Priest"...anybody know where those samples came from? Or any other info about Jesse Hultberg? <> I agree, this one stuck in my craw more so than anything else, and like Kakki said, I keep waiting for them to segue into "Up Up and Away"! Thanks to DJ for these wonderful & unique treasures, and to the Happy Dutchman for taking care of y'all across the pond! Bob NP: Yes, "Heart of the Sunrise" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:05:53 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: NJC Current Concert Tour <> Welcome Pat Post! Boy, with a name like that, every time somebody says "Great Post" you can beam with pride! :~) Stay tuned to JoniMitchell.com - Jim's doing a superlative effort of keeping us up to the minute regarding the tour, which as you know hasn't begun yet but is literally days away! Again, welcome, look forward to hearing more from you! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 16:27:12 +0200 From: Marian Subject: Warning about a new computer virus I'm really sorry to bother the list about this, because usually these computer virus things are hoaxes, but there is a new kind of virus going around that has brought down all of the mail servers in the Vienna International Centre today, and which will probably be affecting a lot of computers everywhere within the next weeks. The subject of the email was called ILOVEYOU. There was an attachment in the document called LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.TXT.vbs This attachment 1) sends itself out to everyone in your address book 2) starts to destroy your computer registry and other files 3) if you have Internet Explorer, it logs onto a website and executes a program in www.skyi.net that nobody knows what it does 4) it does a bunch of other things that haven't been totally figured out yet. The .vbs extension means it is a Visual Basic script, and if your mail software is setup to automatically run such a script when you open the file, then you are at risk. With a Visual Basic script you can do ANYTHING to a computer. The text of the script was eight pages long and written by someone in the Philippines. This kind of computer virus is totally new and so McAffee and other virus programs don't look for it. If you get a .vbs attachment in any message sent to you, please, for your own sake and the sake of everyone in your address book, DO NOT OPEN IT!!! Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 09:55:40 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Neil's CDs NJC The must have neil young CDs 1. Harvest--one of the most amazing albums ever produced; the songs Harvest and A Man Needs a Maid are killers. (I fell in love with the actress, she was playing a part that I could understand . . . a maid ) Unbelievably great album. (But let me ask people who know the song and love it--did you ever feel a bit wierd liking this song becuz of the treatment of women in the song, as if they are reduced to a maid?) And be certain that I am talking about Harvest here and not Harvest Moon. (I don't have a problem with Harvest Moon anyone, I just adore Harvest.) 2. After the Gold Rush--even if only for Only Love Can Break a Heart--a bit of schmaltz that is tempered with that voice Howard M. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:06:56 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Hissing Demos A few weeks ago, I was ranting about how great HOSL was and One of our fellow listers--one of you women out there--told me that she had HOSL demos that I should hear. I would love to hear them but I have lost the email telling me what to do. Can you, kind woman, resend me the info. My computer died and came back from Apple missing all the most important information. I promise I won't say anything badd about the Judds again. And Hillary be damned! I want my demos to Hiss. Howard M. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 11:25:41 -0400 From: Heather Subject: BSN Concert in Connecticut To all those planning to attend the BSN show in Connecticut: Please contact me as soon as possible if you would like to get together before the show. The list of folks getting together (so far) is: myself & Fred, Ashara, Patrick, Kenny, Jenny and the Chili's. I'm trying to make eating arrangements for before the show. The more JMDLie's the merrier! Thanks! Heather - (who is feverishly studying for finals!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 08:32:14 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Too Much Monkee business (NJC) > > > > > Thank you all for proving my point about generational prejudice! > > LOL > > > > I don't know if it does Mark. The Monkees are probably a bad example > because even though they were manufactured they were very good. Teen pop > now is basically a heartless exercise in getting kids to part with their > pocket money. And you think the Monkess weren't created to do just that? Whatever they may have evolved into, that is what the original intent was. Once Madison Avenue figured out that Peace, Love, Funky clothes & long hair were marketable commodities, the whole 'style' became fair game. Sure, not all of the artists of the time were sell-outs, certainly there were tons of original creative people in the business at the time. But the Monkees were four actors hired to do a job. They had a certain amount of talent but I don't think they were anything more than another bit of pop culture, not particulary significant or important. Some of the songs were pretty good (the recorded *one* Goffin/King song to my knowledge) but all Micky, Davy, Mike & Peter were doing was singing the parts assigned to them. To my knowledge they had nothing to do with the creative process. I'm sure if we all were as familiar with the Spice Girls output as some of us are with the Monkees', we'd find one or two halfway decent songs. I still think those of us who have fond memories of The Monkees feel that way simply because it was the music of our particular teen years. Was it better than what's out there now? I don't know. But I don't attach much importance to it or think it was of particularly high quality just because I listened to it at the time. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 16:52:11 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virus This is genuine. I have just had a mail sent to me from a computer compnay whose list i am on warning me about it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 09:53:15 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Too Much Monkee business (NJC) At 04:49 AM 5/4/2000, Helen M. Adcock wrote: >I was also always under the impression that the Monkees themselves didn't >take themselves too seriously. They knew they were a gimmick, and there to >make money. The thing I respect about the Monkees is that they came to a point where they began parodying themselves and their "manufactured image". As early as their third album "Headquarters", they were publicly sensitive to their image and commented on it in the liner notes. By the end, they were blatantly making fun of themselves. "Hey hey we are the Monkees, You know we love to please, a manufactured image, with no philosophies" - - from the movie "Head" Les NP: Dan Crary - "Twin Reel" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:21:38 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virus another warning---tried to call one of my retail vendors (a travel gear manufacturer in CA) and someone had opened the virus and crashed their entire corporate computer system. it looks very bad immune on my mac, :-) alison e. - ---------- >From: catman >To: Marian >Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virus >Date: Thu, May 4, 2000, 9:52 AM > >This is genuine. I have just had a mail sent to me from a computer >compnay whose list i am on warning me about it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:44:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Baby Duck? (NJC) - --- kerry wrote: > What is baby duck?? Sounds interesting. Another > one to add to the list is > "Annie Green Springs." Does anyone remember that? > About the same quality > (and sugar content) of Boone's Farm! Baby Duck is like soda pop. No, it's like wine. No, make that fermented soda pop. You get my drift? ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:47:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virus - --- Marian wrote: > I'm really sorry to bother the list about this, > because usually > these computer virus things are hoaxes, but there is > a new kind of > virus going around that has brought down all of the > mail servers > in the Vienna International Centre today, and which > will probably > be affecting a lot of computers everywhere within > the next weeks. > > The subject of the email was called ILOVEYOU Oh brother. We've been stricken at work as well. Which explains why I'm here on my yahoo account posting to the jmdl instead of doing my *real* job - no e-mail! (Of course, it doesn't explain why I'm here on my yahoo acc't instead of doing my *real* job any other day - but for today, that's my excuse, and I'm sticking with it.) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:50:18 +0000 From: Kenny Grant Subject: NYC Tkt(s) Mon 5/22 Hi Guys, Delurking for a change. First, I can't believe that I missed Joni on Letterman and Rosie, Ashara, thanks SO MUCH for capturing those moments, I MUST be a leaf on that tree! Also, THANKS Penny for "not being above gossip" and for the Leno alert next Mon. Leno is definitely not a regular TV show for me, but I'll sure tune in next Mon, I have a misc. Joni VHS somewhere, gotta dig it up and tag it on. I bought 4 tickets for JM at NYC's MSG Theater Mon 5/22. 8pm - going with some non-JMDL friends, 1 or 2 aren't even fans/admirers. Would like to offer these 1-2 tix to any true fans who may have gotten shut out - face value of course - $75 (well $87.50 w/svc charges). Not the best seats in the house, but not the worst - stage right, section 203, row S. That was the best I could do at 935am - they went on sale at 9am and like an idiot I began dialing Ticketmaster's busy circuits till I realized the web was probably a better method. I think it's a small enough venue where any seat will be decent. If anyone is interested, pls. email me off-line at kg@ibm.net. Looking forward to meeting/re-meeeting some of you in CT for the Hartford/Wallingford show. Marian, you diehard fan, I can't believe you're coming in from Austria (again), can't wait to see you - and the others. Are you bringing your guitar? If it's too bulky a cassette would probably do the trick. I love your singing/playing. Looking forward to "An Evening With Joni Mitchell" (actually two evenings:-) - just singing, accompanied by a 70pc.. orchestra. Hoping against hope that she surprises us with an encore - just her and her "gueetar strings." Anyone think that's gonna happen? Lastly, NJC, just got an email from my office, DO NOT open any emails titled I LOVE YOU - it's a new virus. Best, Kenny btw, lost most of my email addresses a while back due to a disk crash of sorts. If anyone know Brian (Chilihead's) email address can you send it to me? Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:50:13 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Too Much Monkee business (NJC) In a message dated 5/4/00 11:57:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << The thing I respect about the Monkees is that they came to a point where they began parodying themselves and their "manufactured image". >> It's a shame Milli Vanilli didn't follow suit! Jimmy..........".hey hey we're the JMDLers and people say we jmiddle around " ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:52:26 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virus W e got struck here at the University also. Lost our entire id database. This one is serious folks. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 12:49:13 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: Re: Too Much Monkee business (NJC) <> There were 2 Goffin/King songs they did, but the name of the other escapes me at the moment... Yes, they were created to be the next Beatles, but they *were actually* active in the creative process. Don Kirschner released their second record, More of the Monkees, without consulting them, and even though it went uber-gold, they were upset because it was mostly tracks they had shelved because they weren't happy with the quality. I don't think Dolenz wrote anything, but all three of the others contributed songs to their records, which for me is input into the creative process. Granted, Jones' songs were drippy banal schlock, songs like "The Day We Fall in Love" which is spoken and so syrupy it makes you head for the insulin, but some others (mostly Mike Nesmith's) were excellent songs, always among my favorites on those records. If you listen to the string of recordings, there is some real artistic growth there, imo... Bob NP: Neil, "Mother Earth (Natural Anthem)" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:08:33 EDT From: Treehuggergirl25@aol.com Subject: Re: Baby Duck? (NJC) i drank "golden anniversary" beer when i was a senior in h.s. in Maine. ever hear of that? - -angela ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:21:11 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virus This one if for real. I already received it from a source with great integrity. If they got caught, anyone can. Marian wrote: > I'm really sorry to bother the list about this, because usually > these computer virus things are hoaxes, but there is a new kind of > virus going around that has brought down all of the mail servers > in the Vienna International Centre today, and which will probably > be affecting a lot of computers everywhere within the next weeks. > > The subject of the email was called ILOVEYOU. There was an > attachment in the document called LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.TXT.vbs > > T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:31:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virus The reason this one is so dangerous is because you receive it from a name you know. Once infected, it sends it to the first 300 names in your addressbook. Thank God I was warned because I received it from a name I knew and trusted. Jerry On Thu, 4 May 2000, Phyliss Ward wrote: > This one if for real. I already received it from a source with great > integrity. If they got caught, anyone can. > > Marian wrote: > > > I'm really sorry to bother the list about this, because usually > > these computer virus things are hoaxes, but there is a new kind of > > virus going around that has brought down all of the mail servers > > in the Vienna International Centre today, and which will probably > > be affecting a lot of computers everywhere within the next weeks. > > > > The subject of the email was called ILOVEYOU. There was an > > attachment in the document called LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.TXT.vbs > > > > T > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 13:34:41 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: Warning about a new computer virus Love Bug computer virus spreads around the world; Canadian computers infected FROM AP-CP HONG KONG (CP) - A computer virus first noticed in Asia and spread by e-mail messages titled "ILOVEYOU" infected computers around the world Thursday, snarling communication from investment banks to parliaments. Experts said they were stunned by the speed and wide reach of the virus and warned computer users not to open the "LOVELETTER" attachment that comes with the contaminated e-mail. "It may be the most comprehensive spreading that I have seen," said Snorre Fagerland of the computer security company Norman, in Oslo, Norway, where the virus struck an untold number of companies. There were several reports of problems in Canada, including at the Ontario legislature and the virus had also infected computers in the United States According to a virus tracking system at the Web site of the Trend Micro computer security firm, more than 120,000 computer files were said to be infected in the United States by midmorning EDT, up from fewer than 20,000 just an hour before. In Britain, about 30 per cent of company e-mail systems were brought down by the virus, according to Network Associates, another computer security firm. In Sweden, the tally was 80 per cent. The virus appeared in Hong Kong late in the afternoon, spreading throughout e-mail systems once a user opened one of the contaminated messages. It later moved into European parliamentary houses and through the high-tech systems of big companies and financial traders. "I have to tell you that, sadly, this affectionate greeting contains a virus which has immobilized the House's internal communication system," said Margaret Beckett, leader of Britain's House of Commons. "This means that no member can receive e-mails from outside, nor indeed can we communicate with each other by e-mail." In the United States, the "love bug" shut down the Florida Lottery Web site and e-mail system, said lottery spokesman Leo DiBenigno. In Asia, Dow Jones Newswires and the Asian Wall Street Journal were among the victims. The bug affected only e-mail and did not prevent Dow Jones Newswires from distributing financial information to traders. The Asian Wall Street Journal would have no problems publishing, officials there said. But the e-mail systems went wild. "It crashed all the computers," said Daphne Ghesquiere, a Dow Jones spokeswoman in Hong Kong. "You get the message and the topic says ILOVEYOU, and I was among the stupid ones to open it. I got about five at one time and I was suspicious, but one was from Dow Jones Newswires, so I opened it." Once the message was opened, Ghesquiere said, it began sending the virus to other e-mail addresses within the Dow Jones computers, blocking people's ability to send and receive e-mail. Victims sometimes received dozens of e-mails, all contaminated. "I have no idea how it got through the firewall," Ghesquiere said. "It's supposed to be protected." Tips on containing the so-called Love Bug virus: - -If you see "ILOVEYOU" in the subject line of your e-mail, delete the message immediately. Do not open the attachment, "LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.TXT.vbs." - -Install anti-virus software, if you haven't already done so, and check with manufacturers' Web sites for any updates they may post to kill the virus. - -Network administrators should filter and delete incoming mail with "ILOVEYOU" in the subject line and "LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.TXT.vbs" as an attachment name. Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Marian wrote: > > I'm really sorry to bother the list about this, > > because usually > > these computer virus things are hoaxes, but there is > > a new kind of > > virus going around that has brought down all of the > > mail servers > > in the Vienna International Centre today, and which > > will probably > > be affecting a lot of computers everywhere within > > the next weeks. > > > > The subject of the email was called ILOVEYOU > > Oh brother. We've been stricken at work as well. > Which explains why I'm here on my yahoo account > posting to the jmdl instead of doing my *real* job - > no e-mail! (Of course, it doesn't explain why I'm > here on my yahoo acc't instead of doing my *real* job > any other day - but for today, that's my excuse, and > I'm sticking with it.) > > ===== > Catherine (in Toronto) > catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca > > _______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #232 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?