From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #229 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 3 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 229 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: a new member of the list! [Marian ] Re: Boone's Farm (NJC) ["Kakki" ] today's musics NJC ["Paul Castle" ] Re: joni content in today' nytimes [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Spice Girls NJC and other pre-fab groups ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: New "good" music (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: a new member of the list! [Deb Messling ] Re: New England NJC - foreign places ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: a new member of the list! ["Helen M. Adcock" ] The Monkees (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Paul Carrack (njc) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: The Monkees (NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Message for John - also known as Richard Rice - NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Teens for Joni! ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] Joni mention on the radio (VLJC) [Loren Carter ] Nice Judds! ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] Stephen Stills- Not good enough to be a Monkee?! NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(] Approach to catalog- Was: Book Recommendations? ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lamad] NJC Colin's New England post NJC [pat holden ] NJC: The JMDL Sign [Chilihead2@aol.com] Re: today's musics (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Evolution (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: The Monkees (NJC) [philipf@tinet.ie] Tribute show [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: - River / Travis(NJC) [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Hillary again NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni mention on the radio (VLJC) [Guitarpoint@aol.com] Re: today's musics NJC [Catherine McKay ] Judy and the Clintons [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Evolution (NJC) [Treehuggergirl25@aol.com] Re: Evolution (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: a new member of the list! [Catherine McKay ] Re: Evolution (NJC) [Treehuggergirl25@aol.com] Re: Spice Girls NJC and other pre-fab groups [Catherine McKay ] The Monkees (NJC) ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] Re: Nice Judds! [Howard Motyl ] Re: Evolution (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: - River / Travis(NJC) [catman ] RE: Nice Judds! ["Bob Muller (Perception)" ] Re: Nice Judds! [Don Rowe ] Re: Spice Girls NJC and other pre-fab groups [Don Rowe ] Re: Nice Judds! ["Alison Einerson" ] Re: Nice Judds! NJC [Howard Motyl ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 09:22:35 +0200 From: Marian Subject: Re: a new member of the list! Dear Sara - I really enjoyed reading your post. Yes, I think you will fit in here just fine! Welcome! What is your favorite Joni song? How did you find Joni? Do you have a favorite album? Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:48:57 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Boone's Farm (NJC) Jimmy wrote: >What do you mean *starting* with? I happen to have a few >bottles of a fine 1971 La Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill in my >cellar :~) Of all the many "back in the days" nostalgia moments I've had reading this list, I never thought this one would come up! LOL!! I remember my friends and I thinking we were really becoming sophisticated when we graduated to Strawberry Hill! Steve brought more chuckles: >Jimmy, promise me you will *never* bring any to a jmdl >gathering, OK? On second thoughts, maybe some of the LA >jmdlers could take a bottle to Les Deux when they go...I >think they only charge $15-$20 corkage...or > would that be "twistage"? :) I'm now having this vision of a giant flame torching up as the bottle is opened a little too close to my cigarette! Kakki NP: Beck - We Live Again ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:42:48 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: today's musics NJC John johncb@start.com.au wrote: >I thought of all the crap that I'd listened to as a >kid and decided that, just as Catherine says, >she should be free to find her own way. As her >musical tastes grow and develop and her >knowledge increases I've no doubt she will >move on from this nonsense. Whilst I don't have kids of my own, I play to very little ones quite often. Some are naturals - others will grow up to be carpenters, but all are enchanting. I'd say 'give' what you think is good (and I don't mean 'good for them') but make them work for the crap. With little pocket money as a kid, once I got the record buying bug, I'd be up at six forking cattle shit (OK, not every day! I'm exaggerating for effect). I doubt that my taste improved much but I remember many a day doing the rounds of the Oxford record shops listening to a different song in each before shelling out six shillings and ninepence, or whatever, on the one I just couldn't live without. It obviously helps to have something good going on around the home -as I've seen on this list many times, "the day they get Joni" has as much significance as "the day they first walk" "ride a bike" or "date". No problem in your household , John. My mother's favourite batch of 78s included Fats Waller, The Ink Spots and Dinah Shore singing 'Smoke Gets in Your Eyes'. To this day I love the crackle of a 78. PaulC NP 'All the Diamonds in the World' by Bruce Cockburn (from Salt, Sun and Time). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 06:20:02 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: joni content in today' nytimes Pardon me if this has been said before: the TIMES mention was in Margo Jefferson's column, wasn't it? I think I remember her talking about JM, Ute Lemper and Audra MacDonald. I think Tuesday's NY DAILY NEWS also had a picture of JM and an item about how well recent albums by artists in their 50s were doing. I think it cited sales of BSN which were already within 27,000 of the sales of TTT, "which tanked." doing some thinking, DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 22:22:37 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Spice Girls NJC and other pre-fab groups Jim wrote: >Aww geez Hell, don't you think that the potential for greater societal >benefit outweighs the lightweight musical contribution? I'm thinking about >Ginger Spice in Penthouse here. :) > >If it hadn't been for those stupid Spice Girls, we would never know about >Ginger's uhh.. finest attributes. You're right, of course! We also wouldn't have had the sudden craze for pre-teen girls to rush out and buy those ridiculous platform sneakers - which were banned in some schools here, because girls were spraining their ankles, trying to walk in them. True story! Hell - a current Monkee-fan who still loves Pleasant Valley Sunday, although I went off them a bit when I found out Stephen Stills was rejected because his teeth weren't straight enough! _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:28:44 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: a new member of the list! While I know teens like me are highly out-numbered, there > are a few teens out there that are listening to Joni (and others - some of > my other favorites are Joplin and Dylan). (Joni is the best!) :) Yup, as > you might figure, I do get picked on because of my love for music that is > not popular for people my age, Hi sara and welcome. When I was a teen, I was exactly the same-didn't like the pop stuff. I still basically like the sem sort of music as I did back then. Your age won't matter. There are many even younger than you on this list! ;-) bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 22:34:23 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: New "good" music (NJC) Cassy wrote: >I saw Susan Tedeschi at the Purdue University Amphitheater last >fall and she rocked the place! Her fabulous voice and guitar work >took my breath away especially on John Prine's "Angel From >Montgomery," Bonnie Raitt has some competition Somehow I don't think Bonnie would mind! I'm sure she's thrilled that another female blues-guitarist/singer is finally on the scene. I may be wrong here (god knows it's likely!) but she seems to have been alone in that music category for a long time! Hell - already planning on buying Susan Tedeschi's album, because I know I'm going to love it! _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 06:37:06 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: a new member of the list! Welcome, Sara! I'm always happy to hear that younger people are into Joni. I'm 44, and I was picked on in high school for my musical tastes, too. Even then, Joni was a minority taste. My peers at the time were into Led Zep and other hard rock. And this was in an artsy Quaker school, go figure. At 10:30 PM 5/2/00 -0600, you wrote: >you might figure, I do get picked on because of my love for music that is >not popular for people my age, Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 22:40:06 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: New England NJC - foreign places MG wrote: >I think that you can have soulmates and I think that you can have soulplaces. I found mine in Maui! We were driving back from Lahaina to Kihei in the evening and it just hit me. I was really annoyed, because we'd been at the Hard Rock Cafe, and I'd just discovered than CSN had been there three days before we arrived, and were due back the day after we left (and I couldn't change my tickets). I was feeling really depressed, and was sitting in the back of the van feeling sorry for myself, when I starting looking around. The sun was setting, and there was the most glorious sunset over the water, and absolute silence everywhere. It was an incredible two weeks - not one bad moment - and I'd go back there in a second! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 23:00:37 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: a new member of the list! Sara wrote: >I do get picked on because of my love for music that is >not popular for people my age, but it's just so much more passionate and >'deep' than the bubble-gum pop music of Britney Spears. So, I have decided >that I will fit in with the list just fine - after all, it's not age that >matters, it's my love for Joni! Welcome to the list, Sara! And don't worry about being picked on for your taste in music. I was getting picked on at the age of 12 for liking Carole King, instead of Abba, and it's continued ever since! I'm still getting picked on now, for liking Joni instead of the current "popular" music - and I'm 33! I figure I'll be getting picked on for a lot more years to come, and you know what? I don't care! Because you said it best yourself - it's not age that matters, it's the love for Joni! And Marian has already asked, but I'll ask as well - what's your favourite song/album, and how did you get into Joni? We all want to know! Hell (formally known as Helen!) _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:09:00 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: The Monkees (NJC) Kakki KakkiB@worldnet.att.net wrote >the SONGS were fantastic pop and still hold up today. >It's no wonder considering the songwriters, performers >and producers of their music. Thanks so much for posting the Monkees credits. Amazing, eh? Strangely, I've just been writing about John Stewart, who, I hadn't realized, wrote "Daydream Believer". A name on the list that jumped out at me was James Burton. I visited Los Angeles, oh over ten years ago now, and went out to a Country music bar to seeThe Spencer Davies Group (without Stevie). Support act that night, as I discovered from a big guy at the next table, was James Burton's son. In fact this big guy was a friend of the family and apparently, as it was James's birthday that night, he would be coming down to do a song or two. Big guy said "there's a party after if you wanna come". I must admit that I thought "Yeh, Right!!!" but sure enough James comes to the table, says hi and took the stage to play a blistering version of 'Suzie q' . At the end big guy said come on out back for the party but it was obviously family and close friends so I declined. I bet they had one hell of a jam when the bar closed, though. PaulC NP The Cobbler's Daughter by Kate Rusby (from Sleepless) - -having a bit of a jiggy period at the moment - I hope that doesn't translate rudely into American!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:22:54 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Paul Carrack (njc) Evian asks: << Just wondering... does anyone remember the name of the duet between Paul Carrack and Terri Nunn of Berlin? > Yes they became the famous country duo Brooks and Nunn :~) Seriously, I just knew that Paul Carrack was with Mike and the Mechanics "All I need is a Miracle" and with Squeeze. I didn't know Carrack was a member of Berlin Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:42:42 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: The Monkees (NJC) The Monkees themselves were not a musical group as such they had amazing resources provided by the TV production company. Tommy Boyce and Bobby Hart two "hit machines" wrote most of their material if Im not mistaken until Michael Nesmith penned one or two. Nesmith later made a film called Elephant Parts that became a cult classic. Last Train to Clarkesville definitely got the ol' volume control rotated in my old Chrysler. I always had a problem with Mickey Dolenz because he was a child actor in the early days in a program called Circus Boy. So I always pictured him riding that elephant looking cute. I almost forgot. Their TV program was a legitimate howl and is worth a look today. It was done along the lines of the Beatles Hard Days Night but the writing was very good and they were great. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 23:48:21 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Message for John - also known as Richard Rice - NJC Sorry to send this to the entire list, but I need to contact John Calimee, but his address keeps coming back with "undeliverable message" every time! John - thank you so much for your incredibly kind offer. Unfortunately it's very unlikely that I'll be able to take you up on it, but thanks again, and I hope you find a suitable alternative (I'd write more, but I'd rather keep the veil of secrecy and intrigue)! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:54:16 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Alien Nation (NJC) Sara joining_joni@hotmail.com wrote: >So, I have decided that I will fit in with the list just fine - >after all, it's not age that matters, it's my love for Joni! What a truly wonderful amazing and delightful post, Sara I've come over all sobby! Your post reminded me of a letter I saw in a magazine from a young English schoolgirl about 'musical peer pressure'. Can I find it? Yes. She wrote: ALIEN NATION! Rosie Huzzard asserts the right to be different To most people my age (12), I'm an alien, or some kind of weird being who's from another time period. Being into folk music, or in fact any music other than pop is pretty hard when you're a child, and (for instance) if you said that you listened to classical music every so often, within five minutes you're a world famous conductor who does concerts every Saturday at the Royal Albert Hall! Most of my friends are into Boyzone, All Saints and 911. Frankly, I don't think any of these people have any talent that's worth shouting about. They can't sing or play any instruments, and their dance routines are a bit, well, routine if you ask me. Kids can't take the fact that you might have different tastes in music to them, and whenever you mention the word folk, they treat you as an outsider. Pop music can be fun to dance to, but mostly, I have to say, it is complete drivel. If you say to somebody "I went to a ceilidh at the weekend", they'd probably give you a funny look and say "I didn't know you spoke Spanish". It is hard to be a folkie if all your friends go to discos and listen to pop all the time, but some of my normal friends are quite interested now. I don't think it's fair that children should be embarrassed because they're into different music from most. A large percentage of the population listen to the same music as each other and expect everyone else to as well. Folk music isn't encouraged much in schools either, the only sign of anything remotely folk-like in our school music room is a grimy old accordion at the back of the storage room that looks like it was made in the early 1920s. I am not an alien, or a strange being from another time period. I'm just a normal 12 year old girl, apart form the fact that I have some variety in my life and don't do what everyone else is doing just because everyone else is doing it. It's good to be different and individual, what would the world be like if everyone did the same things? Get Folk music into schools and people will think twice about it! Rosie Huzzard (aged 12) >>>> Right On Rosie, and Sara, I say. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 08:07:05 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: Teens for Joni! <So, I have decided that I will fit in with the list just fine - after all, it's not age that matters, it's my love for Joni! >> Right on, Sara, and welcome to the bunch! You have much wisdom beyond your years...on the other side of the coin, I went with my 13-year old to see Creed last night and enjoyed it a lot, even though I'm sure everyone in the audience thought I was a narc! So, at 42, I'm not too old to bang my head and you're not too young to appreciate the greatest composer of our generation! I hope you'll speak up - there aren't a lot of vocal teenagers here and y'all bring an interesting perspective to things. Bob NP: XTC, "All of a Sudden" (It's Too Late) ------------------------------ Date: 3 May 00 08:28:41 EDT From: Loren Carter Subject: Joni mention on the radio (VLJC) All, This morning during my commute to work I was listening to the radio, OK it was the Howard Stern show. He was ragging on a new album by Kathie Lee Gifford. Apparently Kathie Lee covers The Circle Game, and Howard, commenting about that cover said "She'll (Kathie Lee) ruin it too, Joni Mitchell is brilliant." Sure surprised me to hear him say that. Loren.... NP...nothing but the humming of the A/C and the taping of keyboard keys. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 08:34:17 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: Nice Judds! Howard said: <> Howard, I have NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that their story is totally true; that's what connects us to Joni's music after all, the emotional images and the memories we associate with the songs - why do you think they would make it up? When Wynonna (who I have a newfound respect for) says "Joni, I've loved you since I was 10 years old and I can't believe I'm here", it gets me every time. These people sincerely love Joni's art and there was no possible reason for them to fabricate, embellish, or can anything, regardless of their name change. Bob NP: XTC, "Down In the Cockpit" (Apple Venus Volume 2 out this month!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 08:44:13 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lamadoo\)" Subject: Stephen Stills- Not good enough to be a Monkee?! NJC Maybe it's a good thing that they didn't accept Stills into the Monkees. I mean, "Helplessly Hoping" next to "Valerie"? Hell said- a current Monkee-fan who still loves Pleasant Valley Sunday, although I went off them a bit when I found out Stephen Stills was rejected because his teeth weren't straight enough! Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 08:52:14 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lamadoo\)" Subject: Approach to catalog- Was: Book Recommendations? Hi Laura, You get to decide for yourself on this question. If you really like the Joni-with-6-string-guitar period, go for the earlier albums first. If the hints at jazz on Miles Of Aisles sound more interesting, go for the later albums next. But honestly, since you already have an introduction to Joni, I like the idea of starting with "Song To A Seagull" and working your way through the catalog! Welcome to the Discussion List. I hope you find a home here. Laura asked: Does it make sense to buy the albums in the order they were recorded, or are some worth hearing before others? All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati, Ohio, USA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 09:21:11 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: NJC Colin's New England post NJC catman wrote: <<>> and mags shares: Colin, I also believe in soul places.. places of the heart. I love New England too...as well as the east coast of Canada, Nova Scotia in particular. I lived in Halifax for two years, and immediately fell in love with the Nova Scotian landscapes and people . Into my memories, ohhhhh how I love it still. It goes beyond that really... I always considered myself to be truly at "home" there. There is something so special about standing on the shore and staring out to sea... mags, who sat for many hours looking out onto the Atlantic Ocean from Point Pleasant Park in Halifax, Nova Scotia NP: the hissing of my dishwasher *groan* okay okay, so I had a long night a work :P - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:22:23 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: NJC: The JMDL Sign Hi, Haven't heard much about the banners we're going to have at the shows. Whatever happened to that BIG JMDL sign that Don from Fla brought to the "Day in the Garden"? Maybe we can pass it from show to show so people can spot us in the parking lots? Also, as far as attire, what about pinning hearts to our sleeves? ;-) And as far as Hillary is concerned, hell I'd vote for her for President and believe me that's where she's headed if she lives long enough and makes the Senate. The day she wore that little blue outfit at the first innauguration she had that look of just waiting for her chance. And for those disbelievers, "Ronald Reagan a B actor became president, it just goes to show you anything can happen in America"-Bette Davis. - -Chili :-) Also Nat Merchant will be touring this summer this summer here's a link to her venues http://www.dragonwinds.com/natalie/2000tour.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:34:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: today's musics (NJC) - --- jan gyn wrote: >I saw 'The Filth and the Fury', > that new Sex Pistols > documentary, and the early shit from England was > just so cool and glamorous! I read about the documentary in yesterday's paper and even though I don't know much about the Sex Pistols, it sounds like a good film to see, and you've got to love the name "The Filth and the Fury". ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:35:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Evolution (NJC) - --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Steve writes: > > << Or our evolution in drinking...like starting with > Boone's Farm.... :) >> > > What do you mean *starting* with? I happen to have > a few bottles of a > fine 1971 La Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill in my > cellar :~) Well, I don't know what Boone's Farm is, but it sounds kinda like "Baby Duck" to me! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:26:58 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: The Monkees (NJC) Count me in with the Monkees gang. Daydream Believer was the first record we bought after we got a record player. I still love the all pop music of my youth. It was later on in my serious twenties that I bought some stuff that I'd prefer to forget about. Philip - ---- Original Message ----- From: Paul Castle To: jmdl Cc: Kakki Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 5:09 PM Subject: The Monkees (NJC) > Kakki KakkiB@worldnet.att.net wrote > > >the SONGS were fantastic pop and still hold up today. > >It's no wonder considering the songwriters, performers > >and producers of their music. > > Thanks so much for posting the Monkees credits. Amazing, > eh? > > Strangely, I've just been writing about John Stewart, who, > I hadn't realized, wrote "Daydream Believer". > > A name on the list that jumped out at me was James Burton. > I visited Los Angeles, oh over ten years ago now, and went > out to a Country music bar to seeThe Spencer Davies Group > (without Stevie). Support act that night, as I discovered from > a big guy at the next table, was James Burton's son. In fact > this big guy was a friend of the family and apparently, as it > was James's birthday that night, he would be coming down > to do a song or two. Big guy said "there's a party after if you > wanna come". I must admit that I thought "Yeh, Right!!!" but > sure enough James comes to the table, says hi and took the > stage to play a blistering version of 'Suzie q' . At the end big > guy said come on out back for the party but it was obviously > family and close friends so I declined. I bet they had one hell > of a jam when the bar closed, though. > > PaulC > > NP The Cobbler's Daughter by Kate Rusby (from Sleepless) > -having a bit of a jiggy period at the moment - I hope that > doesn't translate rudely into American!) > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:42:45 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Tribute show Totally unexpectedly I received an audio tape of the tribute show from a kind Joni fan. I'd be happy to make copies for fellow Joni starved europeans. I haven't had time to play it yet. Can't wait. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:43:33 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: - River / Travis(NJC) catman wrote > I guess because they want publicity and don't care how it comes. How > about that awful Olga woman? She must be desperate. Who's Olga ? another victim of Ali G I presume ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:46:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hillary again NJC - --- Howard Motyl wrote: > Ashley and Wynonna (by the way, not their real >names--the PR machine running again) Inquiring minds want to know - what ARE their real names? (Don't tell me - Fred and Ethel!) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:51:43 EDT From: Guitarpoint@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni mention on the radio (VLJC) << OK It was Howard Stern>> Why are you making apologies for listening to Stern? I've been listening for years and it's obvious that he likes her. Her makes comments all the time that show knowledge and like of her. He made some hilarious comment when the were talking about he tribute show. Did you catch that? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:55:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: today's musics NJC - --- john low wrote: >How was I to resolve this profound > ethical issue? Bardot > are without a doubt a 'product' manufactured in the > most cynical > manner by that odious "starmaker machinery". In the > end, of course, I > bought the single (now No. 1 in Australia) for my > daughter. I thought > of all the crap that I'd listened to as a kid and > decided that, just > as Catherine says, she should be free to find her > own way. As her > musical tastes grow and develop and her knowledge > increases I've no > doubt she will move on from this nonsense. My only > concern is that, in > the meantime, by supporting such crass marketing > exercises we just > encourage more of the same. It's a worry! I have the same ethical dilemma every time my kids want ANYTHING, whether it's clothes, CDs, Pokemon/Digimon cards. I don't remember having all this *stuff* when I was a kid, and my Dad made more money (relatively speaking) back then than I do now. I try to compare the cost of these things with, for example, the minimum hourly wage, or my own hourly wage, to see if the ratios match to try to judge whether or not everything is really inflated and half the time, I have no basis of comparison. I think, as long as the kids don't want *every* CD the BackStreet Boys put out, we're probably all right. Of course, back when we were kids, there wasn't ALL the merchandising that goes on now - it seems every time there's a rock show of some kind, there are T-shirts, CDs, coffee mugs, you name it, for sale with pictures of the groupe de jour on them. I know they had SOME of this stuff when I was young, but not that much - or maybe I just wasn't paying attention. I've told my kids several times, as new fads come along, that in 6 months to a year, it will be *soooo* yesterday. Six months to a year later, my daughter will say, "Mummy, how did you know?" and then I use the old wise-mama line: "My dear, mothers know EVERYTHING." Ultimately, I have faith in my kids. I think the over-marketing of just everything has probably peaked and more people - - and young ones, which is the best news - realize it's all hype, which they will reject. There have always been crass materialists and then there are those who can see beyond this stuff. There are many kind and generous people out there, in all age groups. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 10:01:16 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Judy and the Clintons I won't stoop to Paul's level of name calling and negativity, but just to show I'm not a Nixonian trying to make up stories about Chelsea Morning at the time of the Clinton Inauguration, here is the story from The New York Times: The New York Times January 19, 1993, Tuesday, Late Edition - Final SECTION: Section A; Page 15; Column 1; National Desk LENGTH: 224 words HEADLINE: THE INAUGURATION; Shedding Light On a Morning And a Name BODY: It started with a hotel: the Chelsea Hotel in New York City, where Joni Mitchell was staying and, one bright morning, felt as if "the sun poured in like butterscotch and stuck to all my senses." Those impressions inspired "Chelsea Morning," the song that gave Chelsea Clinton her name. But to Chelsea's parents, "Chelsea Morning" is a Judy Collins song. The Collins version came out in the summer of 1969 as a single, and was a modest hit. It had also appeared a few months earlier on Ms. Mitchell's second album, "Clouds." Thus began a controversy that played a role in the Clinton campaign similar to Socks the Cat's run-in with photographers. In the late 1960's, Ms. Collins was the bigger star. There was still a gap between popularizers or interpreters, like Ms. Collins, and the songwriters, like Ms. Mitchell, who were known mainly to more dedicated fans. Ms. Collins already had a Top 10 hit with another Mitchell song, "Both Sides Now," which she introduced in 1967, two years before Ms. Mitchell's version appeared on "Clouds." Later, Ms. Mitchell's versions of her songs would reach the radio. So to Bill and Hillary Clinton, "Chelsea Morning" may remain the work of Judy Collins, who is among the performers participating in the inaugural week's events. But to rock fans with hindsight, Joni Mitchell gets the credit. Jerry Librarians are the secret masters of the world. They control information. Don't ever piss one off. - --Spider Robinson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:02:43 EDT From: Treehuggergirl25@aol.com Subject: Re: Evolution (NJC) mmmmmmmm. Boone's Farm. I drank two bottles of that stuff once. I made a label for them that said "cheap shit" on it, and taped that to the front. It was funny. - -angela ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:01:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Evolution (NJC) - --- Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/2/00 9:38:26 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > Siresorrow@aol.com writes: > > << now, i want to part with this man.. >> > > rum typo...the proper word was partY > Well thank you for clearing THAT up - I didn't realize you two were an item! ;) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:06:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: a new member of the list! - --- Bounced Message wrote: > From: "Sara *" > Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 19:32:22 EDT > > Hi!~ > My name is Sara, and I have been lurking around > the list for a few > months now. However, I have been very reluctant to > post in the past because > I didn't know if I would fit in well with the list - > mainly because of my > age. I'm 14 (I'll be 15 in about a week). But as I > was reading some of the > latest posts about teenagers and the music that they > listen to (Britney > Spears, Backstreet Boys, etc.), I decided that it > was time for me to finally > post a message. Welcome to the list, Sara! If all of us weirdos fit in, then you most certainly do! I have a Sarah (with an h) of my own - she's 13 and unfortunately doesn't as yet appreciate Joni's music. I'm hoping one day she will and trying like crazy not to force it down her throat (somebody stop me!) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:07:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Paul Carrack (njc) - --- evian wrote: > Hi my lovely lister friends, > Just wondering... does anyone remember the name > of the duet between > Paul Carrack and Terri Nunn of Berlin? It's a > ballad, and I can't > remember what it's called. I do remember it was > from a movie, from the > early 90's, I think. I can almost get the chorus in > my head -- > something about "Not in Love" or "No more love" > something. I don't > suppose anyone else here remembers what I am talking > about? Do you mean "I'm not in love"? (10cc) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:13:13 EDT From: Treehuggergirl25@aol.com Subject: Re: Evolution (NJC) waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaha. you're hilarious! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:11:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Spice Girls NJC and other pre-fab groups - --- "Helen M. Adcock" wrote: > [If it hadn't been for those stupid Spice Girls, we] > wouldn't have had > the sudden craze for > pre-teen girls to rush out and buy those ridiculous > platform sneakers - > which were banned in some schools here, because > girls were spraining their > ankles, trying to walk in them. True story! Whoa there, sister - just hold on a cotton-pickin' minute! I had a lovely pair of platform granny shoes back in the '70s. My favourite pair of shoes. Comfortable as anything... until you fell off them, of course! I loved those shoes, wish I still had them! Yes, it was and still is a really DUMB fashion, but I remember those shoes like it was yesterday... at least they didn't have pointy toes! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:18:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Monkees (NJC) - --- MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > [The Monkees'] TV program was > a legitimate howl and is > worth a look today. It was done along the lines of > the Beatles Hard Days > Night but the writing was very good and they were > great. I wasn't a big Monkees' fan for the music back then, but I always loved the show. Strangely, I think I like their music more now than I did then. We were all aware that they were a manufactured group - people called them the Pre-Fab 4. But still, they were hugely entertaining and, as has been mentioned by quite a few, they had some really solid people behind them in terms of song-writing, performing and so on. A few years ago, they were playing the Monkees' TV show on TV and my kids loved it. It's still a lot of fun and I remember, even my parents got a kick out of the show back then. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:37:17 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: The Monkees (NJC) For anybody interested in updating their collections, Rhino Records has done an incredible job of re-issuing The Monkees records with great liner notes and lots of bonus tracks - if you're a music slut/trivia junkie like me, it is indeed heavenly! And if you're a BMG member, you can pick them all up for $7/$8 apiece...not too shabby. Bob NP: XTC, "Rocket From A Bottle" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 10:08:54 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Re: Nice Judds! "Bob Muller (Perception)" wrote: > Howard said: > < Ashley and Wynonna (by the way, not their real names--the PR machine > running again) did all those things to Joni's songs that they said they > did. I didn't believe it for a minute. In the barn with flashlights. > Talk about canned. >> > > Howard, I have NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that their story is totally true; that's > what connects us to Joni's music after all, the emotional images and the > memories we associate with the songs - why do you think they would make it > up? > When Wynonna (who I have a newfound respect for) says "Joni, I've loved you > since I was 10 years old and I can't believe I'm here", it gets me every I believed Wynonna when she said this. Because it was straightforward and real. > > time. These people sincerely love Joni's art and there was no possible > reason for them to fabricate, embellish, or can anything, regardless of > their name change. The overblown stuff that Ashley kept talking about struck me as false and exaggerated. And when Ashley went on at one point (feverishly reading the prompter, I might add--how's that for spontanaeity!) using all kinds of polysyllabic words thrown into a sentence that I had to stop and think about just to make sense of the syntax, let alone the content. I've only watched the show once but I know that her praise (that bordered on embarrassing) was toward the end of the show. Anyway, I shouldn't be talking about it without knowing exactly what she said. On the other hand, I am in the bizness and know how much of this banter is written by other people and said by the glamourpusses or more famous. I don't doubt that the Judd girls liked, even loved, Joni--I just think some of the things they supposedly did while listening to her music seemed a bit far-fetched and/or exaggerated. And the reason why they were embellished or exaggerated is simple--they were on TV. It sounds better to say they were singing songs in the barn with flashlights (even here, I thought they lived in a city, Naomi was a nurse, I thought) than to simply say Wow, we like you. Howard M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 08:15:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Evolution (NJC) - --- Treehuggergirl25@aol.com wrote: > mmmmmmmm. Boone's Farm. I drank two bottles of that > stuff once. I made a > label for them that said "cheap shit" on it, and > taped that to the front. It > was funny. > -angela > In high school, for Communications Lab (dating myself now, or what???) -- we did a parody of a local liquor store commercial. The spots featured "Seigel's Wine Of The Week" ... with some nerdy spokesguy saying typically obtuse things like: "Peisporter Reisling ... a fruity bouqet, but not too precocious ..." So ours was a little more honest, more direct: "Seigel's Wine of the Week, this week, is Mogen David MD20/20. This s**t will f**k you up! It'll f**k up all your friends too! Don't drink this'n drive now, y'hear?" Got an A for it ... even with the French phrases! Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:22:32 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: - River / Travis(NJC) Lady Olga Maitland-the Tory woman. philipf@tinet.ie wrote: > > catman wrote > > > I guess because they want publicity and don't care how it comes. How > > about that awful Olga woman? She must be desperate. > > Who's Olga ? another victim of Ali G I presume ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 11:20:27 -0400 From: "Bob Muller (Perception)" Subject: RE: Nice Judds! <> She said her scripted stuff at the beginning of the show, yes, I'm sure it WAS scripted and she WAS reading it - doesn't mean that what she was saying was false or not heartfelt...when she said her "me too" comments after Shawn Colvin's praising remark, it was just as genuine imo... Seems like Joni's fans can't win - if they make the effort to record their comments for inclusion, they're berated for not being there in person (Hillary), and if they show up and deliver a prepared monologue, it's STILL not good enough! I don't think improvisation is the strong suit for most of these performers, which is yet another reason Richard Thompson gets such high marks for filling in with Woodstock for Stone Temple Pilots... I'll say it again - this show was a total joy to watch and listen to, every nanosecond of it! << Anyway, I shouldn't be talking about it without knowing exactly what she said.>> I don't think this is an issue; I think maybe because you're in the biz you're jaded about it. From this fan's perspective, the show was a total treat. Of course, you are just as welcome to your opinions as well... Bob NP: XTC, "Travels in Nihilon" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 08:31:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Nice Judds! Oh aren't we so tragically hip! I mean really, everybody knows celebrities are grown in a bio-engineering lab secured in a concrete bunker built 40 stories under Devil's Tower. Somehow, this thread seems headed in this kind of direction ... How easily we forget that as late as 1976, modern cosmopoli like Dallas, speaking from personal experience, were completely provincial, conservative backwaters before the Manhattan Diaspora. I mean, Tom Leherer records were banned as late as that -- no kidding -- you had to be connected to find them. And there's some pretty racy stuff on Joni albums, as we've all been free to point out. So the idea that Mama Judd might not have wanted her daughters hearing things like "I gave him my warm body", "hanging on your boom-boom pachyderm" -- in the rural South, isn't preposterous in the least. Why should we doubt that the girls had to listen to them in secret? Oh that's right, because they're famous now. I guess in the end, we of the jmdl should have been the ones putting together the tribute, and featured as performers. Of course, that would bring up the whole ratings issue ... or lack thereof. You see, I'm a little cynical myself -- just not so completely, I guess. Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 08:44:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Spice Girls NJC and other pre-fab groups - --- Catherine McKay wrote: >I had a lovely pair of platform granny shoes > back in the '70s. My favourite pair of shoes. > Comfortable as anything... until you fell off them, > of > course! Don't ask me why, but I always remember the best put-downs Dawn ever fired off at Tony Orlando: "I hope you fall off your high heels and break your hair." God I'm REALLY dating myself today ... Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:06:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: a new member of the list! Welcome Sara! So good to hear you're bucking the trend. Janis too, huh? Bold, very bold -- I'm impressed, as I am equally by your eloquence. Don't worry, though I suspect you may be the youngest lister (the previous record being 17, if memory serves), I'm sure you'll make a welcome addition. I for one, will look forward to hearing more from you! Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 10:20:45 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Nice Judds! - ---------- >From: Howard Motyl >On the other hand, I am in the bizness and know how much of this banter is >written by other people and said by the glamourpusses or more famous. I don't >doubt that the Judd girls liked, even loved, Joni--I just think some of the >things they supposedly did while listening to her music seemed a bit >far-fetched and/or exaggerated. i remember sitting on my mom's bed and listening to her play "little green" on the guitar. i was pretty young, i don't remember how, but it was so beautiful and moving that i started crying. i was embarrased, so i faked it like i fell off the bed so that i could say that i was crying because i hit my head. true story. now, if i get famous someday, and go on tv to tell that story, will you believe me howard? alison e. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 11:15:28 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Re: Nice Judds! NJC This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------5CA2A993D042C06DCE47BD97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Real Names: Naomi Judd--Diana Judd Wynonna Judd--Christina Claire Judd Looks like I was wrong about Ashley and that is her real name. According to E! Online. Ashley was born in 68; Wynonna was born in 64. So, in 76, on top of that KY mountain, on their farm, the girls would have been 8 and 12, respectively. (Here's a nitpick: doesn't Ashley say on the show they were 8 and 10? I could not be remembering correctly.) I guess that makes them old enough to be singing in the barn with flashlights. Am I obsessed or what? 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