From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #228 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 3 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 228 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- cd tree 1 [Bounced Message ] Re: Book Recommendations? [BrainEnvy@aol.com] Re: we are stardust we are golden ["Ken (slarty)" ] Politics (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Evolution (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: we are stardust we are golden ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lamadoo\)" ] Re: we are stardust we are golden ["Ken (slarty)" ] Which Album Next? [Scott Price ] Re: Book Recommendations? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: cd tree 1 [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Book Recommendations? [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Entertainment Weekly [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: we are stardust we are goldenNJC [catman ] Soulplaces NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Hillary again NJC [Howard Motyl ] Re: Evolution (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] today's musics NJC [john low ] Re: Hillary again NJC [RSTM@aol.com] BSN review in Le Monde [Deb Messling ] amusing translation of Le Monde article [Deb Messling ] Re: - River / Travis(NJC) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Evolution (NJC) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Evolution (NJC) [catman ] Re: Hillary again NJC [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Evolution (NJC) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: amusing translation of Le Monde article [Mark Domyancich ] Re: The Monkees (NJC) [Randy Remote ] Re: Entertainment Weekly [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Hillary (NJC) ["Kakki" ] a new member of the list! [Bounced Message ] Paul Carrack (njc) [evian ] Re: The Clintons (NJC) [Marian ] Re: joni content in today' nytimes [Guitarpoint@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 14:50:36 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: cd tree 1 From: "Joe Farrell" <.farrell@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:36:37 +0100 Hi all you lovely JIMDLES out there, I have only just joined JMDL,aint it brilliant, and i would love to get hold of a copy of CD tree number 1. Can anybody please help? Blank CDs and return postage supplied of course! "My Best To You", Joe Farrell. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:52:52 EDT From: BrainEnvy@aol.com Subject: Re: Book Recommendations? I just wanted to thank everyone who wrote, both privately and on the list, to offer suggestions about Joni books. Everyone has been *so* nice, and helpful, and had some good ideas- especially about checking out the two web sites, which have so much information I've barely even made a dent in them! Thanks for welcoming me so warmly! My next question would be, where should a semi-newbie start in terms of Joni's music? I already have some of the older recordings, including Blue, LOTC, For the Roses & Miles of Aisles. Does it make sense to buy the albums in the order they were recorded, or are some worth hearing before others? Thanks once again, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 17:05:22 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: we are stardust we are golden Well Nasa has a rocket called Stardust which is to look at the dust from comets. They credit the line to one 'Joni Mitchell'. I've had no luck in finding any info on Tony Prave. Hejira wrote: > Hi > I have just got back from an astronomy presentation about the formation of > the universe (I know my life is very sad) The over head at the beginning had > the title of the talk and people who were doing it with the quote " we are > golden we are star dust we are billion year old carbon" the quote however > was credited to a Doctor Tony Prave (at which point I almost jumped up and > wanted to shout out it was Joni but thought better of it ) does anyone know > who he is and whether Joni was quoting him in woodstock? > Thanks for any help > Best > Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:17:45 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Politics (NJC) Catherine (in Toronto) wrote: >Anyway, I'm not American, can't vote >there, so I'll just get my nose out of it now! Ha! That never stopped *me* from throwing my two cents (or tuppence ha'penny) in! :) ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:21:49 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Evolution (NJC) Coyote Adds (without regret): >It seems to be kinda like our evolution in eating food. When we are young, >we ate things most of us would never eat today. But as we grow, our tastes >long for something of more substance. Or our evolution in drinking...like starting with Boone's Farm.... :) ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:23:30 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lamadoo\)" Subject: Re: we are stardust we are golden I thought Joni was quoting Carl Sagan, the late popularizer of science. It's too technical to have floated up whole, from Joni's subconscious. Maybe some background is useful for those who weren't interested in Astronomy. In the beginning, there was just a lot of hydrogen. Lots and lots of hydrogen. So God said, "I am" and the universe sneezed in an unbelievably profound event nicknamed the Big Bang. After a long time, stars formed and other elements, including Carbon, were forged in the bellies of the first stars. Until stars appeared, there was no Carbon. The first generations of stars died out as the universe continued to expand. Since the Carbon on Earth was all created in these ancient stars, we humans are built of star stuff. Sagan said that the best they can tell now, we are built from 2nd or 3rd generation stars. Sagan sounding like America's Chief Seattle, said, "We are a way for the Universe to be aware of itself." "we are each of us so deep and so superficial between the forceps and the stone." JM Hmmmmm, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:31:13 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Evolution (NJC) Steve writes: << Or our evolution in drinking...like starting with Boone's Farm.... :) >> What do you mean *starting* with? I happen to have a few bottles of a fine 1971 La Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill in my cellar :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 14:28:28 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: today's musics (NJC) >I'd have a hard time saying that I hate a whole genre >of music. I can't say that I hate rap, because I've >heard some good rap; likewise, good punk; good country >and western. There are even, dare I say it, some >songs by (oh noooooooooo!) Mariah Carey and Whitney (snip) >Catherine (in Toronto) >catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca I like some rap (Public Enemy mostly), and I'll always love punk. Anything that negated the the lethargic glitz that was the '70s was a historical necessity, IMO. I saw 'The Filth and the Fury', that new Sex Pistols documentary, and the early shit from England was just so cool and glamorous! - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 17:49:23 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: we are stardust we are golden It is possible but Sagan worked for Nasa so you would think that he would have received the credit from them. I would think it was more likely that Joni paraphrased something Sagan said. As for Doctor Tony Prave having said it first I would like to know where the guy who wrote the presentation got his info from. "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lamadoo)" wrote: > I thought Joni was quoting Carl Sagan, the late popularizer of science. > It's too technical to have floated up whole, from Joni's subconscious. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 15:00:57 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Which Album Next? At 04:52 PM 5/2/00 EDT, BrainEnvy@aol.com wrote: >My next question would be, where should a semi-newbie start in terms of >Joni's music? I already have some of the older recordings, including Blue, >LOTC, For the Roses & Miles of Aisles. Does it make sense to buy the albums >in the order they were recorded, or are some worth hearing before others? Good question that comes up from time to time. Having been one of those who waited year after year for the next Joni project to come out, and then spending more years trying to fully appreciate it, it's hard for me to imagine getting them in anything but chronological order. However, with a lot of other artists, I've started with their most recent album and then worked backward. Doing it this way has not in any way diminished the pleasure of "discovering" new music. Since you are already familiar with Joni's early work, I'd recommend a purchasing pattern based on the albums' timelines. IMO you should start with Court & Spark, then Hissing of Summer Lawns, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, and finally Hejira. Along with Blue and For The Roses which you already have, these albums will capture Joni at her most daring and sublimely creative peak. After all those sink in, and your bank account rebounds, I'd go straight to Night Ride Home and Turbulent Indigo. And if you're still wanting for more after all that you'll have more tough decisions ahead. ;-) One thing's for certain: Joni gives lots of choices...enjoy your journey! Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:04:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Book Recommendations? In a message dated 5/2/00 2:55:53 PM US Central Standard Time, BrainEnvy@aol.com writes: << Does it make sense to buy the albums in the order they were recorded, or are some worth hearing before others? >> Well, Laura, that's one of the many ongoing questions here...What would be really interesting in my estimation is to go in chronological order, at the same time you're picking up the music (starting with "Song To A Seagull"), you can read about the creation of the project, what was going on with Joni & the world around her. Or, you can just jump in at random... "People will tell you where they've been, they'll tell you where to go, but til you get there *yourself* you never really know" (from 'Amelia', one of the songs on Hejira, my personal favorite). Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:16:43 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: cd tree 1 In a message dated 5/2/00 4:53:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << Hi all you lovely JIMDLES out there, I have only just joined JMDL,aint it brilliant, and i would love to get hold of a copy of CD tree number 1. Can anybody please help? Blank CDs and return postage supplied of course! "My Best To You", Joe Farrell. >> I have a "Joe Farrell Quartet" album with him and Mahavishnu John McLaughlin. I love their interpretation of "Follow Your Heart." Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:17:27 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Book Recommendations? In a message dated 5/2/00 4:56:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BrainEnvy@aol.com writes: << My next question would be, where should a semi-newbie start in terms of Joni's music? I already have some of the older recordings, including Blue, LOTC, For the Roses & Miles of Aisles. Does it make sense to buy the albums in the order they were recorded, or are some worth hearing before others? Thanks once again, Laura >> If you do not yet have Hejira, that would be your next choice. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:33:54 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Entertainment Weekly In a message dated 5/2/00 12:55:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: << But it is also true that they thought Judy wrote the song, as I did also when it became so popular. >> Were you there? Saying it is true doesn't make it so. Maybe it might be better to be less sure of yourself and say you heard such a story,and or at least concede the possibility that somewhere along the way to you the story got convoluted or intentionally changed.In politics, people have been known to spread made-up stories, or convolute the facts to make the person in power, or the opposition, look bad. I remember a certain Republican from the '60s and '70s whose staff became quite renowned for their disinformation tactics. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 23:39:13 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: we are stardust we are goldenNJC I have always found the scientific hypothesis as difficult to swallow as the religious one. I do wish that both would stop presenting their theories as to the origin of life as fact. On the tv the other day, a 'reputable' scientist, Prof winston(of test tube baby fame)was talking about NDE and stating as fact that it was an hallucination caused by lack of oxygen. For starters, it has not been proved to be so so why lie to us in this way. And if they are so sure, how come these people who report NDE's are not brain damaged from the lack of oxygen? where are the oxygen measurements taken from people who later report NDE's, whilct they are experiencing them? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:56:15 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Jonny Lang (NJC) Cassy wrote: >Singing before she could barely talk, Shannon began >playing the guitar when she was 10, saying her biggest >overall influence was Jonny Lang, "because he's an >amazing musician, and also because he was a young >musician just starting to break out. He was the first person >I ever saw that played blues. And guess when he's playing in Saskatoon, Cassy. Paul C (putting another coin in the piggy bank) NP. 'Waiting for the Cards to Fall' by Guy Davis from Butt Naked Free - stomp your feet now, jmdl "If you get a jack with a face Take awl the money that's in this place Please Mr Dylan won't you show that King? I'll put it in my piggy bank and shake that thing Well its hard hard waiting for the cards to fall" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:44:46 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Soulplaces NJC Oh yes, I definitely believe in soulplaces! I grew up in the Northeast and when I found Santa Barbara it felt like I was returning home. I have been here ever since. And songwriter that I am (to borrow a phrase from the wonderful Stacey Earle) I even wrote song about it called Home. Kate Bennett Singer Songwriter kate@katebennett.com www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 18:04:31 -0500 From: Howard Motyl Subject: Re: Hillary again NJC This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------A319E030941EC6CAE266332F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I really don't understand the Hillary bashing--from anyone. I am now > and have been perplexed at why people seem to hate her so much. >Blimey, I didn't realise people HATED her so. And no I am not being >sarcastic. I truly didn't see anything that indicated she was hated. At >least not here. Having opinions or criticisms doesn't impley hatred, not >to me anyway. I actually wasn't talking about the people here--I was talking about people in the US who hate her (and Bill, for that matter). But I must say, that there have been a couple of comments that I thought were a bit strong. I was not reading the digests for about a week and was surprised to see the Hillary thing still going on. I just scratch my head and have to ask everyone who thought it was self-serving for her to be at the tribute, exactly where do you think you are living? Practically everything in this country is done for the promotion of one thing or another. Do you think the TNT Tribute was entirely coincidental to the release of a new JM CD? Not really. Do you think David Letterman had her on becuz solely becuz he likes her? Same for Rosie? Get over your bad selves. JM is pushing an album and wants to sell those and tix to her shows. So, she goes on TV shows to raise the public's awareness of her and of the album. And then a lot people here want to know how her album is selling after this appearance or that tribute. And you're thrilled when you can see the events affecting the sales. It's the great American PR machine. So, why is it wrong for Hillary to ride it, too. And why can't the First Lady give honor? She's the First Lady of the country. Do you think Sidney Poitier or any other Kennedy Center Honored artist really did not want the award because he was receiving it from Bill and Hillary. Hillary, yes, probably did want to be on the show for political reasons--but she named her daughter after this woman's song! How much more personal can you get? When she named Chelsea, she didn't think that "Hmm, someday I'm going to be first lady and running for Senate and this woman is going to have this amazing musical career and when she is honored all the stars and planets are going to line up so I can be at the tribute right in the middle of my Senate run, at the end of my run as First Lady, so . . . I think I'll name my daughter Chelsea." And, tell me, what was so sacred about the Tribute--on commercial television!--that Hillary the candidate speaking as Hillary the First Lady couldn't be on it? And if she sounded canned--do you really believe that Ashley and Wynonna (by the way, not their real names--the PR machine running again) did all those things to Joni's songs that they said they did. I didn't believe it for a minute. In the barn with flashlights. Talk about canned. You know, JM does put down the record industry and most of it may be true--but she knows how to play the game when she needs to. And I don't think there is anything wrong with that! But if you don't think there is anything wrong with JM riding the PR machine, and there is a problem with Hillary riding it then you got some thinking to do. And one more thing--we all know that Joni is so meticulous about song placement (as one example of her perfectionism) on albums, why do we not think she had any say on who would be on the show? Does everyone believe these people all just called TNT and said, "Hey, I wanna be on that Joni special!" I'm picturing Elton doing just that . . . did my mother really make me this cynical? Howard M. - --------------A319E030941EC6CAE266332F Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="howard_scptv.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Howard Motyl Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="howard_scptv.vcf" begin:vcard n:Motyl;Howard tel;fax:312-421-7714 tel;work:312-421-7711 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:SCPtv Worldwide adr:;;400 N. May St., Suite 201;Chicago;Illinois;60622;USA version:2.1 email;internet:howard_scptv@interaccess.com title:Director, Creative Development note:"Any time you have the opportunity to accomplish something for those coming behind you and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Howard Motyl end:vcard - --------------A319E030941EC6CAE266332F-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:15:05 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Re: Evolution (NJC) Jimmy wrote: >What do you mean *starting* with? I happen to have a few bottles of a >fine 1971 La Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill in my cellar :~) Jimmy, promise me you will *never* bring any to a jmdl gathering, OK? On second thoughts, maybe some of the LA jmdlers could take a bottle to Les Deux when they go...I think they only charge $15-$20 corkage...or would that be "twistage"? :) ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:21:45 +1000 From: john low Subject: today's musics NJC Catherine (in Toronto) writes: "What they listen to at 12 or 13 is probably going to change a lot in the next few years - now that will be interesting!" And in another post: "Maybe kids naturally NEED sugar (of all kinds) to grow!" The other day my almost 12 year-old daughter asked me to buy her the Australian Popstars (who have named themselves 'Bardot' believe it or not) single. How was I to resolve this profound ethical issue? Bardot are without a doubt a 'product' manufactured in the most cynical manner by that odious "starmaker machinery". In the end, of course, I bought the single (now No. 1 in Australia) for my daughter. I thought of all the crap that I'd listened to as a kid and decided that, just as Catherine says, she should be free to find her own way. As her musical tastes grow and develop and her knowledge increases I've no doubt she will move on from this nonsense. My only concern is that, in the meantime, by supporting such crass marketing exercises we just encourage more of the same. It's a worry! John (in Sydney). __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue May 02 19:54:38 2000 From: RSTM@aol.com Subject: Re: Hillary again NJC Howard M. perceptively wrote "And one more thing--we all know that Joni is so meticulous about song placement (as one example of her perfectionism) on albums, why do we not think she had any say on who would be on the show?" I would presume that Joni had *at least* veto power over all of the contributors to the show. The producers and JM probably had a wish list and Hilary was on it. I doubt that Hilary asked to be on the show as some great scheme to win over JM fans for her Senatorial campaign. Was Hilary wooden in her delivery -- you betcha. But that does not make her insincere -- just as President elect Gore is wooden and not insincere. The Hilary/Nancy R. analogy is an apt one for me because I probably felt as negative toward RR and Nancy as any other Democrat. But I think that if Nancy had gotten up and said that she named her pet chinchilla Furry because she liked that Joni song, I would have guffawed and said "That old coot ain't half bad -- hell, at least she liked JM." Maybe that is the difference between "liberals" and conservatives. Maybe its just the time of year. Ron out of AYSO land for the moment ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 20:30:53 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: BSN review in Le Monde JONI MITCHELL Both Sides Now Cet album est une merveille, comme il en existe peu. Les douze titres proposés par Joni Mitchell, rare femme songwriter à s'être planétairement imposée, reviennent sur la grande variété américaine. Dans ce répertoire essentiellement puisé dans les années 30, 40 et 50, Joni Mitchell glisse deux chansons de son cru, Both Sides Now (1967) et A Case of You (1972), preuves par neuf de la haute tenue des compositions de cette magicienne des croisements musicaux américains (du folk au jazz, du rock à la country). L'ensemble est conçu comme un passage au scanner du romantisme contemporain, du flirt à la passion et jusqu'à la désillusion. D'une voix extraordinairement chaleureuse, blues en diable, Joni Mitchell révise avec luxe et volupté You're my Thrill (Sidney Clare - Jay Gorney, 1933), Stormy Weather (Ted Koehler - Harold Arlen, 1933), You've Changed (Bill Carey - Clare Fisher, 1968). Pour réussir ce pari du classicisme extrême, Joni Mitchell a misé sur l'alliance des cordes et du big band. Larry Klein dirige l'ensemble aux côtés de Vince Mendoza. Wayne Shorter (saxophone), Herbie Hancock (piano), Mark Isham (trompette) viennent rappeler en solistes que le jazz est aussi un puits d'élégance. Both Sides Now, dont le livret est orné des oeuvres de Joni Mitchell, également peintre, prône l'urgence du retour à l'équilibre et à l'acceptation des valeurs du sentiment-roi. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 20:33:19 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: amusing translation of Le Monde article From the Alta Vista translation service: oni Mitchell Both Sides Now This album is a wonder, as there exists little about it. The twelve titles proposed by Joni Mitchell, rare woman to have planetarily imposed itself songwriter, reconsider the large American variety. Into this repertory primarily drawn from the Thirties, 40 and 50, Joni Mitchell slips two songs of his vintage, Both Sides Now (1967) and A Puts of You (1972), castings out nines of the high behaviour of the compositions of this magician of the American musical crossings (of the folk to the jazz, of the rock'n'roll to the country). The unit is conceived like a passage to the scanner of the contemporary romanticism, flirt with passion and until disillusion. Of an extraordinarily cordial voice, blues in devil, Joni Mitchell revises with luxury and pleasure You' Re my Thrill (Sidney Clare - Jay Gorney, 1933), Stormy Weather (Ted Koehler - Harold Arlen, 1933), You' ve Changed (Bill Carey - Clare Fisher, 1968). To make a success of this bet of extreme classicisme, Joni Mitchell misé on the alliance of the cords and the big band. Larry Klein directs the unit to the sides of Vince Mendoza. Wayne Shorter (saxophone), Herbie Hancock (piano), Mark Isham (trumpet) come to recall as soloists who the jazz is also a well of elegance. Both Sides Now, whose booklet is decorated works of Joni Mitchell, also painter, preaches the urgency of the return to the balance and the acceptance of the values of the feeling-king. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 01:39:59 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: - River / Travis(NJC) I saw Travis on the Ali G show. Ali G told Travis that his music was "f**king miserable". I can never understand why people agree to appear on shows like Ali G knowing they're going to be made look like fools. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 02:21:38 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: - River / Travis(NJC) philipf@tinet.ie wrote: > > I saw Travis on the Ali G show. Ali G told Travis that his music was > "f**king miserable". I can never understand why people agree to appear on > shows like Ali G knowing they're going to be made look like fools. I guess because they want publicity and don't care how it comes. How about that awful Olga woman? She must be desperate. > > Philip ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:31:02 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: - River / Travis(NJC) In a message dated 5/2/00 8:41:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, philipf@tinet.ie writes: << I saw Travis on the Ali G show. Ali G told Travis that his music was "f**king miserable". I can never understand why people agree to appear on shows like Ali G knowing they're going to be made look like fools. >> who is this Ali G. i've never heard of her/him. at the same time, it sounds as if i'm not missing much. pat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:35:03 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Evolution (NJC) In a message dated 5/2/00 5:33:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << What do you mean *starting* with? I happen to have a few bottles of a fine 1971 La Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill in my cellar :~) Jimmy >> now, i want to part with this man....do you have any bongs? and do you like to put apricot brandy in the bong???? and then we could listen to pink floyd and maybe do some green or black ....ok, enough there. just incase i ever decide to become a republican and run for school board or something. pat np. dave matthews- some beautiful song but i dont know which. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 02:41:24 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Evolution (NJC) maybe do some green or black ....ok, enough there. just incase i ever > decide to become a republican and run for school board or something. Pat-it is okay as long as you don't inhale. > pat > np. dave matthews- some beautiful song but i dont know which. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:39:47 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Hillary again NJC In a message dated 5/2/00 7:09:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, howard_scptv@interaccess.com writes: << When she named Chelsea, she didn't think that "Hmm, someday I'm going to be first lady and running for Senate and this woman is going to have this amazing musical career and when she is honored all the stars and planets are going to line up so I can be at the tribute right in the middle of my Senate run, at the end of my run as First Lady, so . . . I think I'll name my daughter Chelsea." >> above this, i thought you might be a little dark for me. but right here, in these lines, i think you are right on. there was some real genuine feelings inside there and to take them all out and say she was only concerned about herself is wrong. real life and hope are not all dead yet. pat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:49:37 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Evolution (NJC) In a message dated 5/2/00 9:38:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Siresorrow@aol.com writes: << now, i want to part with this man.. >> rum typo...the proper word was partY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:59:59 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: amusing translation of Le Monde article At 8:33 PM -0400 5/2/00, Deb Messling wrote: >From the Alta Vista translation service: >The twelve titles proposed by Joni Mitchell, rare woman to have >planetarily imposed itself songwriter, reconsider the large American variety. It just proves my belief that The Tenth World was written about Planet X! :-D NP-Stephen Stills-4&20 - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:55:40 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Hillary again NJC In a message dated 00-05-02 19:58:06 EDT, RSTM@aol.com writes: << But I think that if Nancy had gotten up and said that she named her pet chinchilla Furry because she liked that Joni song, I would have guffawed and said "That old coot ain't half bad -- hell, at least she liked JM." Maybe that is the difference between "liberals" and conservatives. Maybe its just the time of year. >> Yeah right. Nancy got skewered for checking with an astrologer. Hillary was praised for holding seances in the White House. How many excuses y'all going to make. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:51:43 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: The Monkees (NJC) I unabashedly LOVE the Monkees music. I was around 11-12 when they were popular and had the goofy TV show and although I knew even at the teenybopper age that they were a bit of a spoof, the SONGS were fantastic pop and still hold up today. It's no wonder considering the songwriters, performers and producers of their music. Here is just a partial list I found on CDNow - sheesh, it's no wonder! Kakki Performers: Max Bennett : Bass, String Bass; Tommy Boyce : Guitar (Acoustic), Vocals (Background) James Burton : Guitar Glen Campbell : Bass, Guitar; Pete Candoli : Trumpet; Buddy Collette : Saxophone; Ry Cooder : Guitar; Mike Deasy : Guitar; Doug Dillard : Electric Banjo; Bobby Hart : Glockenspiel, Organ, Vocals (Background); Milt Holland : Drums, Percussion; Laurence Juber : Guitar (Electric); Carole King : Guitar; Danny Kortchmar : Guitar; Dean Parks : Bass; Don Randi : Keyboards Uan Rasey : Trumpet; Leon Russell : Keyboards; Thomas Scott : Strings, Trumpet; Jerry Yester : Guitar; Neil Young : Guitar Production Credits Tommy Boyce : Arranger, Producer; Henry Diltz; Gerry Goffin : Producer; Bobby Hart : Arranger, Producer; Carole King : Producer; Harry Nilsson; Jack Nitzsche : Arranger; Shorty Rogers : Arranger, Horn Arrangements, String Arrangements ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 20:22:53 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: The Monkees (NJC) Kakki wrote: > > I unabashedly LOVE the Monkees music. > It's no wonder considering the songwriters, > performers and producers of their music. Here is just a partial list Leon Russell? Ry Cooder? Kootch? Carole King on guitar? And they never let on! RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:23:33 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Entertainment Weekly In a message dated 5/2/2000 12:06:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PitassiM@WEAC.org writes: << I clearly remember reading an article either right before Bill Clinton was elected or shortly after he was inaugurated in which Hillary claimed that their daughter was named after "Chelsea Morning, an old Judy Collins song." Now she still could have been referring to Judy's *version* of the song, but I remember coming away from the article at the time believing that Hillary, like a vast percentage of humanity, believed that Judy had written Joni's song. >> I didn't read the article but heard her say it once on TV. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:34:12 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Hillary (NJC) colin wrote: > Blimey, I didn't realise people HATED her so. And no I am >not being sarcastic. I truly didn't see anything that indicated >she was hated. At least not here. Having opinions or >criticisms doesn't impley hatred, not to me anyway. Ah, but colin, you are not an "American" ;-) who often tends to vote and rigorously defend their party affiliation regardless of the personal merits or liabilities of an individual candidate for office. This happens on both sides of political spectrum here. And there is still the traditional patriotic respect for the office itself, regardless of the occupant of that office, which can be looked at as for the greater good of all in the long run. Kakki, not looking for flames or debate, just personally disenchanted with all of it anymore. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 22:30:09 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: a new member of the list! From: "Sara *" Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 19:32:22 EDT Hi!~ My name is Sara, and I have been lurking around the list for a few months now. However, I have been very reluctant to post in the past because I didn't know if I would fit in well with the list - mainly because of my age. I'm 14 (I'll be 15 in about a week). But as I was reading some of the latest posts about teenagers and the music that they listen to (Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, etc.), I decided that it was time for me to finally post a message. While I know teens like me are highly out-numbered, there are a few teens out there that are listening to Joni (and others - some of my other favorites are Joplin and Dylan). (Joni is the best!) :) Yup, as you might figure, I do get picked on because of my love for music that is not popular for people my age, but it's just so much more passionate and 'deep' than the bubble-gum pop music of Britney Spears. So, I have decided that I will fit in with the list just fine - after all, it's not age that matters, it's my love for Joni! Sara - impatiently waiting for when she gets to see Joni in concert for the first time later this month! np - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 22:41:01 -0600 From: evian Subject: Paul Carrack (njc) Hi my lovely lister friends, Just wondering... does anyone remember the name of the duet between Paul Carrack and Terri Nunn of Berlin? It's a ballad, and I can't remember what it's called. I do remember it was from a movie, from the early 90's, I think. I can almost get the chorus in my head -- something about "Not in Love" or "No more love" something. I don't suppose anyone else here remembers what I am talking about? Evian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 08:05:02 +0200 From: Marian Subject: Re: The Clintons (NJC) On Tue, 2 May 2000 14:30:12 -0700 "James L. Leonard" wrote: > Secondly, with regard to Clinton's impeachment, > there were issues that were far more important... > etc. You list a lot of good reasons for disliking Bill Clinton and make a better argument for his impeachment than Kenneth Starr ever did, but I still don't understand why you seem to dislike Hillary so much. Marian Vienna NP: Key West Intermezzo (I Saw You First) - John Mellencamp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 02:57:34 EDT From: Guitarpoint@aol.com Subject: Re: joni content in today' nytimes << Who is it that is saying all this? >> And where? Bought the Times today and didn't see anything of the like. Dave ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #228 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?