From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #224 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, May 1 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 224 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Hillary Clinton, Tribute and Rosie thoughts (SJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: X marks the spot (njc) WAY NJC now ["Ken (slarty)" ] Re: bad music. (NJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Hillary Clinton, Tribute and Rosie thoughts (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: May 25th Show ["Brian Workman" ] Re: bad? music (NJC) [michael w yarbrough ] Re: bad music. [Guitarpoint@aol.com] Re: bad music. ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: bad music. [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: bad music. [Guitarpoint@aol.com] Joni Mitchell - Diary of a Decade, Paintings 1980-1990 Part 1 [SCJoniGuy@] baldies (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: bad music. [Treehuggergirl25@aol.com] Re: bad music. ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: Brenda/Sales Figures/Soundscan ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: Joni in New Zealand ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Vanessa Redgrave NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Hypercello (NJC) [Evan + Vanessa Thomson ] Re: Flo and Eddy, Hillary, who chose? - NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Hypercello (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: bad music. [catman ] Musician Magazine (NJC?) [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: Hillary Clinton, Tribute and Rosie thoughts (NJC) [catman ] Geeze ma, not at 5AM AGAIN! (aka Tribute Thoughts) ["Paul Castle" ] Info on Artists Who Cover Joni's Songs [Joseph Palis ] Re: WHY ISN'T THERE AN ALT.MUSIC.JONI-MITCHELL??? [Deb Messling > Yeah. The fact that the first couple named their daughter after Joni's song can only be indicative of the social significance of her work. If I named my daughter Chelsea, they wouldn't ask *me* to be in on the tribute. The fact that it was the First Lady's daughter is what makes it take on some meaning to the culture. Politicians are always sort of fake to me but that isn't to say that Hillary's introduction didn't have a place within the tribute. It completely made sense to me that it was included. In regard to k.d. lang's choice of attire and a whole host of other comments that have recently been made on the list: well, I was going to refrain from commenting but frankly I was slightly taken aback by some of the comments that have recently been made toward Rosie O'Donnel and some of the tribute guests. Someone commented on their suspicion that k.d. wore baggy clothes to cover up how much weight she'd put on. Someone else said something about their repulsion toward Rosie O'Donnel because without make-up she looked like a "mongoloid" and yet another lister said that JT should have been doing Rogaine instead of heroine years ago. James Taylor and k.d. lang are talented people. I for one couldn't care less how much weight has been put on or how much hair has been lost. As for Rosie O'Donnel, I don't know much about her but if she, an obviously "regular" looking woman, looks to someone like a "mongoloid" without her make-up on, I worry about the treatment of people who are truly odd looking, which is something beyond one's control. Don't get me wrong. This is not a PC rant, nor am I upset. I just wanted to get it off my chest. And by the way...despite the hair loss, I think JT is damn good-looking still! Reminds me of the Christine Lavin song: I Love Bald Headed Men! It's hilarious! Take care and smiles to all, Gina NP: 'Till You Come Back To Me (That's What I'm Gonna Do) - Aretha Franklin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:49:54 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: X marks the spot (njc) WAY NJC now How about the D'ohs which could stand for the double o's but if you are a Simpsons fan is self explanatory Randy Remote wrote: > > In a message dated 4/30/00 1:49:15 AM US Central Standard Time, > > evian@sk.sympatico.ca writes: > > > > << what do you call the decade anyway?... 00's? >> > > > I like the "Oh-Oh's" because, depending on the situation > it can be "uh-oh!" or "Oh!Oh!"..... > RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:52:44 -0400 From: "Ken (slarty)" Subject: Re: bad music. Joni Said it best- Junk food for Juveniles Treehuggergirl25@aol.com wrote: > does anyone besides me cringe whenever they think of all the new groups coming out these days.....N Sync, backstreet boys, etc? There are so many of them. And those girls like Brittney Spears and Christina A. are multiplying out of control. Every time i look, some other 16 year old girl singer with raccoon eyes is singing some awful pop song. > Yeah, I go way overboard getting irritated sometimes....all i have to do is not listen, right? But still............maybe it's just a matter of preference. It is definitely not my style of music by a long shot. > haha. rant and rave. > -angela ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:59:54 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: bad music. (NJC) In a message dated 04/30/2000 7:27:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Treehuggergirl25@aol.com writes: << does anyone besides me cringe whenever they think of all the new groups coming out these days.....N Sync, backstreet boys, etc? >> I'd like to throw in my two cents on this one. I have two daughters, ages 12 and 11. Needless to say they love these groups. Though I don't, I try to be positive when they ask me "Mom, do you like this song?" I try to say something positive like "it has a nice melody, the singer has a nice voice, it's catchy". Then again, my younger daughter in particular, is a flutist and a pianist and adores classical music. She is also a fan of Joni. XTC's Apple Venus is a regular choice for her. Today we were at the supermarket and she recognized a song by Crowded House and started singing softly along. I think she just likes music, period. I know she recognizes the difference between the genius of Joni Mitchell, say, and the catchy pop of Backstreet Boys and is able to sort of put it all in perspective. She's grown up listening to all kinds of music. Everything from Elmore James to Liz Phair. Truthfully, I'd much rather my kids listen to Backstreet Boys than to Marilyn Manson or Korn. If they did, though, I would try to understand why they liked it just the same. Take care, Gina NP: The Missing Years - John Prine (playin' DJ today) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:01:44 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Hillary Clinton, Tribute and Rosie thoughts (NJC) Wonderful Sweet Gina writes: << And by the way...despite the hair loss, I think JT is damn good-looking still! Reminds me of the Christine Lavin song: I Love Bald Headed Men! >> As an almost bald man, I thank you Gina. You're a woman after my own heart. Now I can forget about writing the parody "Propecia Plains" :~) Jimmy, getting ready for "The Simpsons". Right Catgirl? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 21:20:36 -0400 From: "Brian Workman" Subject: Re: May 25th Show I'm going...and live in Columbia. Meet afterwards in Columbia or what? Let me know and I can advise. I, unfortunately, have to work the next day... Brian - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 4:52 PM Subject: May 25th Show > Hello all, > To anyone who is going to the Joni show at the Merrieweather Post > Pavillion...I would love to get in touch with you. I have since found out > that the show is really our of town (I live in DC) > > <> > > I was hoping to rendezvous with folks here in town but it now seems that it > would be better to maybe meet somewhere closer to the venue. Again, maybe > someone has already figured this out and has a good idea of what to do. > Please let me know... > Take care, > Julian > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:21:21 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: bad? music (NJC) I think a lot of times we dismiss music because of who its fans are (or are presumed to be), or because of something that bothers us about the artist's "image." The result is that we deny ourselves pleasure, even if simple. I am not a fan of Britney Spears or the Backstreet Boys, but I find some of their songs to be great mood-lifters, insistent and even arresting. Britney's lead single, "...Baby One More Time" has the breeziest obsessive-love chorus I've heard in some time, and when she growls, "baby, baby," I fear for the poor boy's life and her sanity. I think it's just divine. There are similarly enjoyable moments in some Backstreet songs. The call-and-response melody "Tell me why / Ain't nothin' but a heartache" has a sort of innocent pleading to it that I like, and the intro to "Where You Are" (I think that's the name--the lyrics are "show me the meaning of being lonely") is dramatic enough for this queen. Of course these are just the quirks of my personal taste, but personal taste plays a huge role in what we all call "beautiful" or "accomplished" or "genius." There's no denying that people have used artistic tastes for centuries as ways of distinguishing themselves from other people, and I think a lot of the boy-band and girl-pop bashing you hear is just that. While I'm not going to call this my favorite music, I believe that with music you take your pleasure where you find it, no questions asked. And constantly challenge yourself to find pleasure in new places. Which is what Joni is for. - --Michael P.S. FWIW I own and love Marilyn Manson's last CD. There is much better music on there than you think. If you're into Bowie, you very well may like it. NP: Aluminum Group, "Chocolates" - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Intellects do not believe in God But they fear us just the same." - --Erykah Badu, "On and On" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 21:59:39 EDT From: Guitarpoint@aol.com Subject: Re: bad music. << Does anyone cringe whenever they think of all the new groups coming out these days ... N Sync, backstreet boys, ect?>> I'm sick of all the 9-16 year old prodigies in pop music (publicity term) but I am happy when my son brings home Brittany Spears melodies and not bustin a rhyme. ( me at 39 tryin to sound like one hip and groovy father) Dave c ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:03:32 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: bad music. Why would you be unhappy about your son "bustin a rhyme"? At least there is some rap that is more ingenius and musicly interesting than Britney Spears....besides, she's just a wanna be hip hop girl anyway... Guitarpoint@aol.com wrote: > << Does anyone cringe whenever they think of all the new groups coming out > these days ... N Sync, backstreet boys, ect?>> > > I'm sick of all the 9-16 year old prodigies in pop music > (publicity term) but I am happy when my son brings home Brittany Spears > melodies and not bustin a rhyme. ( me at 39 tryin to sound like one hip and > groovy father) Dave c > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:18:27 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: bad music. In a message dated 4/30/00 7:27:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Treehuggergirl25@aol.com writes: << does anyone besides me cringe whenever they think of all the new groups coming out these days.....N Sync, backstreet boys, etc? There are so many of them. And those girls like Brittney Spears and Christina A. are multiplying out of control. Every time i look, some other 16 year old girl singer with raccoon eyes is singing some awful pop song. ............maybe it's just a matter of preference. >> No,it's not just a matter of preferance.The music sucks.It's trash,"musical junk food for juveniles" as Joni put it.There are millions of people who share your views. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:27:29 EDT From: Guitarpoint@aol.com Subject: Re: bad music. << Why would I be unhappy about your son bustin a rhyme"? >> because if he didn't buy Brittany spears, i would have to. : ) Dave c ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:32:04 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell - Diary of a Decade, Paintings 1980-1990 Part 1 Since several have complained that the list is a little slow, I'll take the opportunity to fill in the gap with some text taken from the program of Joni's show in London at the Rotunda Gallery, Broadgate Circle, 11 September - - 7 October, 1990 (I'm guessing it was 1990 anyway based on the text). Now, I may not be the biggest fan of Joni's paintings, but I *am* a gig fan of Joni's art fans! :~) So here goes...btw, Les is going to be copying this onto his site so it will end up there. Obviously, it would help to have the paintings to look at too, but this will have to do for now. Part 1 Joni Mitchell is a juggler, she has that rare ability to keep numerous balls in the air; her music and her art revolve at the same speed and in the same celestial orbit. She can juggle many ideas and modes of expression, none more so than in her work as a painter. Over the past ten years she has experimented with figuration, abstract expressionism and subsequently a fusing of these two seemingly disparate forms of picture-making. At the beginning of the decade Joni Mitchell was engaged in a series of paintings with a strong autobiographical theme expressed through a form of lyrical figuration. When she first embarked on her career as an artist, in the early 1960's, it was her intention to become a photo-realist painter. This was very much in vogue at that time in Canada as exemplified in the work of Christopher and Mary Pratt. She survived one year at the Alberta College of Art, only to reject a formal art training, preferring to learn for herself the alphabet of drawing and painting through direct contact with artists working in the much wider cultural milieus of Toronto and New York. In this manner she acquired her skills and knowledge and a strong self-discipline which has remained with her throughout her creative life. Joni Mitchell is an admirer of Paul Gaugin who represented in his work an arcadian state geographically isolated from the her and now but ultimately expressive of its exigencies and emotions. In a similar way in such paintings of the early 1980's as "Up on the Roof" 1981 and "Charlie The Bull Dying in Mexico", 1980 she uses an iconographical framework which allows a symbolic representation of remembrance. This is particularly true of her paintings entitled "The Mud Club", 1983 which records her encounter with Georgia O'Keeffe and the subsequent relationship which developed between the two women. The unusual title for this work is taken from the fact that O'Keeffe and her companion Juan had been making clay vessels and they called themselves the "Mud Club". Looking at the picture one is reminded of Marcel Proust's observation that 'What we call reality is a certain relationship between sensations and memories which surround us at the same time'. End of Part One ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:35:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: baldies (NJC) > > << And by the way...despite the hair loss, I think JT is > damn good-looking still! Reminds me of the Christine Lavin song: I Love Bald > Headed Men! >> i must hear that song pronto!!!! it will become my personal anthem. i am a baldyfreak. in fact, i wish i were bald myself. james taylor is looking so handsome these days. i once wrote a song about my seemingly endless string of bald lovers entitled: "here comes another bald man but he'll go down the drain" wallyk, np james taylor, "music", sigh sigh sigh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:44:41 EDT From: Treehuggergirl25@aol.com Subject: Re: bad music. i think he meant Busta Rymes?? haha. well, i'm sure you're still hip and groovy anyways, !!! Why would you be unhappy about your son "bustin a rhyme"? At least there is some rap that is more ingenius and musicly interesting than Britney Spears....besides, she's just a wanna be hip hop girl anyway... Guitarpoint@aol.com wrote: > << Does anyone cringe whenever they think of all the new groups coming out > these days ... N Sync, backstreet boys, ect?>> > > I'm sick of all the 9-16 year old prodigies in pop music > (publicity term) but I am happy when my son brings home Brittany Spears > melodies and not bustin a rhyme. ( me at 39 tryin to sound like one hip and > groovy father) Dave c > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (rly-ye02.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.199]) by air-ye02.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:06:20 -0400 Received: from sarah.smoe.org (sarah.smoe.org [24.30.216.56]) by rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:06:07 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [24.30.216.55]) by sarah.smoe.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ABC16FC2; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id WAA23193; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:05:00 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id WAA23172 for joni-outgoing; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id WAA23165 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from killinggoliath.com (we-24-30-104-46.we.mediaone.net [24.30.104.46]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA18261; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <390CE5F4.CA081C50@killinggoliath.com> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:03:32 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Guitarpoint@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: bad music. References: <34.48af0a4.263e3f0b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-joni@jmdl.com Reply-To: "Brenda J. Walker" Precedence: bulk >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:49:53 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: bad music. I wondered about that....if so Busta is STILL better than Britney! Treehuggergirl25@aol.com wrote: > i think he meant Busta Rymes?? haha. well, i'm sure you're still hip and > groovy anyways, !!! > > Why would you be unhappy about your son "bustin a rhyme"? At least there is > some rap that is more ingenius and musicly interesting than Britney > Spears....besides, she's just a wanna be hip hop girl anyway... > > Guitarpoint@aol.com wrote: > > > << Does anyone cringe whenever they think of all the new groups coming out > > these days ... N Sync, backstreet boys, ect?>> > > > > I'm sick of all the 9-16 year old prodigies in pop music > > (publicity term) but I am happy when my son brings home Brittany Spears > > melodies and not bustin a rhyme. ( me at 39 tryin to sound like one hip and > > groovy father) Dave c > > > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (rly-ye02.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.199]) > by air-ye02.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:06:20 -0400 > Received: from sarah.smoe.org (sarah.smoe.org [24.30.216.56]) by > rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:06:07 -0400 > Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [24.30.216.55]) > by sarah.smoe.org (Postfix) with ESMTP > id 5ABC16FC2; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:06:06 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id WAA23193; > Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:05:06 -0400 (EDT) > Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:05:00 -0400 > Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id WAA23172 > for joni-outgoing; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:04:42 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net > [24.130.1.20]) > by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id WAA23165 > for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:04:36 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from killinggoliath.com (we-24-30-104-46.we.mediaone.net > [24.30.104.46]) > by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA18261; > Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:04:33 -0700 (PDT) > Message-ID: <390CE5F4.CA081C50@killinggoliath.com> > Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:03:32 -0700 > From: "Brenda J. Walker" > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) > X-Accept-Language: en,pdf > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: Guitarpoint@aol.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: bad music. > References: <34.48af0a4.263e3f0b@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sender: owner-joni@jmdl.com > Reply-To: "Brenda J. Walker" > Precedence: bulk > > >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:52:10 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Brenda/Sales Figures/Soundscan jw1327@rcn.com wrote: > Hello Again! > > I would definitely be interested in seeing the report on Joni's sales > figures- and am most interested to know how these figures wee attained! > I have long wondered about her actual numbers! Are these SAoundscan > figures? And if so, how does one have access to them?? Yes, they are Soundscan figures. To access them, you have to have an account with Soundscan. It's very expensive and I only have access to one because of a label affiliation. I'll send you the report separately. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:55:34 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: last week's record sales Sue Cameron wrote: > I copied this from an article I was reading: > > Top sales increase of the week went to singer Christina Aguilera, whose > eponymous first album (RCA) was up 8,000 copies over its previous week's > figures. > > Other significant sales gainers were rock group Creed's "Human Clay" > (Windup) -- up 7,000 copies; rapper Jay-Z's "Life and Times of S. Carter" > (Rock-A-Fella/Def Jam); the various artists' two-CD Christian compilation > "Wow Worship Orange" (Integrity/Word/Epic); and singer-songwriter Joni > Mitchell's "Both Sides Now" (Warner Bros.), all of which were up 6,000 > units. > > That should make the folks at Warner Brothers happy! > > Can our new guru tell us in layman's terms what this means? This basically meant that BSN was one of the biggest gainers on the chart, which translates to some increase in popularity, whether it's a hit single on the radio, a hit video on MTV or something like that. I think Joni's big jump was due to the advertising for the special. And this last week, her actual sales didn't drop that much but because of new entries on the chart and big increases at the top she lost alot of positions. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:10:24 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: WHY ISN'T THERE AN ALT.MUSIC.JONI-MITCHELL??? Could someone give me one reason that Joni doesn't have a newsgroup on Usenet?Many bands and musical artists of Joni's stature(arguably)and WAY below Joni's stature have newsgroups,I don't at all see why Joni doesn't have a newsgroup?Does anyone know how to start alt.music.joni-mitchell,or rec.music.joni-mitchell,or alt.fan.joni-mitchell or whatever the adrees would be? I put my header in CAPS so people would take notice-and we can get something going hopefully!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:45:40 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: bad music. In a message dated 4/30/00 10:21:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: << No,it's not just a matter of preferance.The music sucks.It's trash,"musical junk food for juveniles" as Joni put it.There are millions of people who share your views. >> Millions who share your views and tens of millions who are buying those records. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:57:44 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Flo and Eddy, Hillary, who chose?(NJC) > ><< And does anyone know the song from Sonic Youth about Joni? Maybe that's a > disc for the next tree: songs about Joni. >> This reminds me of a song by the Young Fresh Fellows from Seattle about Amy Grant... "When she gets home from church, She takes off her pants. That's what I like, About Amy Grant. When she gets home from church, You know she takes off her pants. That's what I like, About Amy Grant. Amy, Amy, Amy, Amy Grant. Well she sat down, And she started to play. God gave her a guitar, And told her what to play. He said Amy don't you play none of that Jazz, blues, or rock. What the people want to hear, Is that overrated schlock. Amy, Amy, Amy Grant. Alone in bed, late at night, She fantasizes about Barry White. Amy, Amy Grant..." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:48:38 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: WHY ISN'T THERE AN ALT.MUSIC.JONI-MITCHELL??? In a message dated 4/30/00 11:13:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: << Could someone give me one reason that Joni doesn't have a newsgroup on Usenet?Many bands and musical artists of Joni's stature(arguably)and WAY below Joni's stature have newsgroups,I don't at all see why Joni doesn't have a newsgroup?Does anyone know how to start alt.music.joni-mitchell,or rec.music.joni-mitchell,or alt.fan.joni-mitchell or whatever the adrees would be? >> Between JoniMitchell.com and the Joni Mitchell Discussion List here, what is it you find lacking that you feel the need for Usenet or whatever it is? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:49:47 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: WHY ISN'T THERE AN ALT.MUSIC.JONI-MITCHELL??? In a message dated 4/30/00 11:13:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: << Could someone give me one reason that Joni doesn't have a newsgroup on Usenet?Many bands and musical artists of Joni's stature(arguably)and WAY below Joni's stature have newsgroups,I don't at all see why Joni doesn't have a newsgroup?Does anyone know how to start alt.music.joni-mitchell,or rec.music.joni-mitchell,or alt.fan.joni-mitchell or whatever the adrees would be? >> Between Jonimitchell.com and the Joni Mitchell Discussion List here, what is it you find lacking that you feel the need for something else, whether it be Usenet or whatever? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 00:05:54 EDT From: Guitarpoint@aol.com Subject: Re: bad music. << musical junk for juveniles>> I made a comment earlier about my son bringing Brittany home ( CD's ) and kept my response on the light side but I must admitt as a music teacher ( classical and flamenco guitar ) I have an abundance of 6 to 10 year old kids wanting to learn the guitar. They have a more defined sense of melody and actually enjoy the classical melodies we do as a result of the syrup melodies in all those formula pop ( POOP ) tunes, AND they stick with the instrument longer as opposed to just wanting to bang the instrument and getting bored. Steady income for daddy and a chance to add to their musical development, AND more little girls are taking up the guitar whereas before I had all boy students. So in a way, it's shit that can be turned into butter. ( Russian Saying ) Dave c ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 00:12:20 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: bad music. (NJC) It really doesn't bother me that this thread has largely not been labeled NJC but out of respect for the JC only folks and those who wish to delete posts on certain topcs, please remember to include the NJC tag in the subject line, if it doesn't pertain to Joni Mitchell. Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 00:54:28 -0400 (EDT) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Another cover On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > This week alone I laid down 15 > more songs for Volume 3, the CD's just about full! Someone should hook Bob up with June Tabor's version of "Fiddle and the Drum" (on _Abyssinians_ -- a classic album). I must say, if you were only going to do *one* Joni cover in your distinguished 25-year career, this wouldn't be the one I'd pick, but I'm thankful for everything June records (and Joni writes). - --David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:19:58 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Joni in New Zealand I asked: >Does anyone know if this tour took place, and if so, did Joni make it to >NZ? Thanks to everyone that responded to this - but I'm not happy I was wrong. Here I was thinking "poor me, never had the opportunity to see Joni live" and she WAS here! My only defense is that I was only 16 at the time, living at home, and half a country away (and hadn't yet bought my first Joni album)! Mind you, it appears that she only played Wellington, which surprises me in that Auckland has more people, but doesn't surprise me because I'm sure she'd still get a bigger audience in Wellington. No disrespect to any other Aucklanders lurking here - I'm from Auckland too - but Wellington (IMHO - and I've lived in both cities) is the cultural capital of NZ as well as the political capital! And Gerald also asked: >Don't you think that she's due for her second performing visit downunder ?? To which I reply - absolutely, without a doubt! My God, that would be heaven! And it has been nearly 20 years! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:22:02 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Vanessa Redgrave NJC Mark asked: >Hell, have you ever seen 'Camelot' or 'Blow-up' or 'Morgan'? Some of >those 60s films from the 'mod' era when Vanessa was a fresh faced >ingénue. She was amazing even then. Yes, I have, and I enjoyed them! BTW, the other English actress that I meant to mention as having a lot of class is Maggie Smith. Very cool lady! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:54:01 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Hypercello (NJC) Hello Out there, I was wondering if any of you in Joni land could help me... I was reading the Yo Yo Ma tribute page and came a reference to a hypercello. Please explain? I know that here's been a few rants lately regarding throwaway pop music but I think one of the worst examples I've seen recently has to be Popstars (An Aussie show!). The blatant commercialisation of these five girls is just nauseating. I'm assuming that Spice Girls and a few other of these engineered 'boy & girl' bands falls into this category. What's truly horrific is that the industry, media and more importantly the fans just accept it. It's seems to music for money's sake... I love my trashy music but... I won't be manipulated by some media savvy mogul! I just couldn't help throwing in my 2c there :-) Vanessa (who happens to be named after the illustrious Vanessa Redgrave! I wouldn't have minded getting her looks, personality and talent as well!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:51:09 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Flo and Eddy, Hillary, who chose? - NJC >Maybe other listers from outside the U.S. would like to comment, but there >isn't much in the way of sexual/political scandals in Europe. As long as >European leaders are discreet, the press doesn't exploit the fact that a >European leader may have a mistress as well as a wife. Personally, I don't care who a politician sleeps with, as long as their politics are sound, and they do the job they were employed for well. As an aside, I read a survey somewhere that said that 1 out of 4 married Americans have been or have thought about being unfaithful, which makes the whole outcry and scandal over Clinton/Lewinsky seem just a little hypocritical. Just my opinion, but imagine what the money spent on that trial could have done towards the homeless, or Aids or cancer research, or any other worthwhile cause? And as for Hillary, I get the impression (as a real outsider, with not much knowledge of American politics) that she is an intelligent, professional woman, who sees the offices of the President and First Lady as more important than the individuals. Having said that, her reasons for staying with her husband are her own. I'm also glad she named her daughter after Chelsea Morning. Think how many more people might pick up an album just out of curiosity. That's got to be good for Joni? Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:59:22 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Rodney Steinhold Sorry Joni Only List: I need to contact Rodney Steinhold and I'm not sure which List he frequents. Rodney could you please e-mail me :-) Thanking you, Vanessa, ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 18:07:26 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Hypercello (NJC) Vanessa wrote: >I know that here's been a few rants lately regarding throwaway pop music >but I think one of the worst examples I've seen recently has to be >Popstars (An Aussie show!). The blatant commercialisation of these five >girls is just nauseating. I'm assuming that Spice Girls and a few other >of these engineered 'boy & girl' bands falls into this category. What's >truly horrific is that the industry, media and more importantly the fans >just accept it. It's seems to music for money's sake... I love my >trashy music but... I won't be manipulated by some media savvy mogul! And unfortunately, the producers of Aussie "Pop Stars" bought the concept off NZ. We have any equally banal group called TrueBliss. It works like this: 1. Put an ad in the paper, on the radio/TV calling for any girl between 18 and 25 who wants to be in a pop group - including the tone-deaf and rhythmically-challenged (actually as many of these as possible, judging by what they televised). 2. Hold auditions and select the 5 most nauseating Spice Girl clones you can find. 3. Find some talentless recording executive and ask him to write 12 "songs" for an album. 4. Record the album in 2 weeks and release it with as much hype and fanfare as you can. 5. Watch the money roll in as every 5-12 year-old girl in the country falls for the hype and buys every piece of merchandise available. 5. Videotape the entire process, televise it over 12 weeks. 6. Sell the concept to some unsuspecting neighbouring country, and watch even more money roll in. Sorry to be so cynical, but it's just the most commercialised, non-artistic thing I've ever seen. I actually feel a little sorry for the girls involved, because they all do have talent, and could probably have gone on to much better things. Now they'll carry the stigma of this experience around for the rest of their lives! Ironically, one of the NZ girls who made the final 15, but not the final group, recently started up her own band and is doing 10 times better than TrueBliss (and is recording her own co-written songs). I had also seen her performing previously in a bar here (incredible jazz singer, although she's not doing that now), but I couldn't believe she didn't make the final 5. I guess she didn't have the right "image". Never mind about talent and musical ability! Helen (named after my aunt - my mother was SO original. My brothers are Ian and Alan) _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 07:49:50 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: bad music. Treehuggergirl25@aol.com wrote: > And those girls like Brittney Spears I was reading a newspaper yesterday and a reviewer of Ms Spears' latest record referred to her as 'silly little tart'! I was appalled. Okay so don't like the music and criricsie that but to name call like that is childish and nasty. In fact I would have thought it was libelous. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 00:08:21 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Musician Magazine (NJC?) Hi gang! Hey, I've been looking for Musician magazine lately, without luck. They always seemed to have the best Joni articles around the time of her releases. Has anyone seen if they've done a current piece on Joni or BSN yet? Thanks! Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 08:21:26 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Hillary Clinton, Tribute and Rosie thoughts (NJC) > As an almost bald man, I thank you Gina. You're a woman after my own heart. > Now I can forget about writing the parody "Propecia Plains" :~) > > Jimmy, getting ready for "The Simpsons". Right Catgirl? I forgot about our Jimmy. A case in point regarding my previous 'bald men are sexy' post! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 08:21:44 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Hillary Clinton, Tribute and Rosie thoughts (SJC) And by the way...despite the hair loss, I think JT is > damn good-looking still! Reminds me of the Christine Lavin song: I Love Bald > Headed Men! It's hilarious! Dont ask me why, cos I have no idea, but I think men going bald or who are bald are sexy. I high forehead, no hair on top, no hair at all, all adds to the attractivenss I think. Mind you it is still in the eyes! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 08:21:47 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJCRe: Flo and Eddy, Hillary, who chose? > That's why I personally don't care whether Vermont chooses to legitimize > "marriage" between same sex people or a "civil union". In the end, you don't > need a "piece of paper from the City Hall to keep you tied and true." If > you do, you're looking to some authority outside of yourselves to legitimate > your union -- you want the church or the government to tell you that you're > married as opposed to deciding it for yourselves. I agree with you that one doesn't need a church ceremony nor a government one to tell you are married. I don't think either add any legitimacy. I am sure Jon and I are as 'married' in the 'eyes of God' as anyone else. However, I DO think it is right and proper that gay people be given to choice of legally recognized marriage. One because there should not this descrimination. Mainly though though for legal reasons. As things stand, I am not entitled to John's pension if he drops dead. I am not automatically entitiled to anything that is his, like this house, if he drops dead. We had to have special arrangements made regarding his house etc and to haveme made power of attorney. Even this is not a cast irnon guuarantee that his family could not sue, and win, for his house etc if he died. We just registered with the local dcotor. we had a spot of bother when we both put down eachother as next of kin. This is not legally recognized. We just refused to put down anyone else or to give deatils of family. Years ago, when I wsas seriously ill, he was denied admittance to my hostial bed becasue he was not family. As regards the house, if I was married to him(and female), I would automatically own the house too. as it stands I do not. Even though he could not have this house without me. So for these reasobns, i want to be treated the same way as str8's and have a legally recognzied 'marriage', even though it won't make us any more 'married' than we already are. > Maybe other listers from outside the U.S. would like to comment, but there > isn't much in the way of sexual/political scandals in Europe. As long as > European leaders are discreet, the press doesn't exploit the fact that a > European leader may have a mistress as well as a wife. Interestingly, the > press is making much of the fact that Austria's controversial new leader has > Nazi tendencies, but they are not discussing his homosexuality. Well I did not know he was gay. But I also think he is no longer the leader. I thought I had heard on the news he resigned. Howver, about your other point, in Britain sexual scandals abound. We do not have the same attitude as continental europe about such things. It's well > known that the Queen of England sleeps in her own room and that Prince Philip > has always had other women in his life. The whole Charles/Diana thing > exploded because she was the first royal who decided her husband did not have > the right to exercise traditional kingly privileges and bed Camilla. And quite right she was too. Charles admitted that he only married Diana cos he had to not cos he loved her. > Anyway, what happens or doesn't happen in the Clinton's bedroom (or elsewhere > in the White House) is strictly between them. Hillary is certainly bright > enough to deal with the situation in the way that's best for her. Yes you are right. My point was that i didn't think it was a good example to set other women or her daughter to just appear to to accept her husbands abuse of his power and of women. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 08:39:28 +0100 From: catman Subject: found this http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8678/ssjonimitchell.html maybe you all red it already! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 09:09:40 -0400 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Geeze ma, not at 5AM AGAIN! (aka Tribute Thoughts) MG at MGVal@aol.com wrote >I had a sub-thought running through my mind about >whether or not it was hard for Joni to watch some, >all or any of these performances. The people were, >after all, tampering with her works of art. I truly doubt it. When you hear someone sing a song you've written it takes your breath away. Singing is not a competition. And with Joni, these are all really good songs, after all. Her versions are there for all time and who here doesn't get a thrill out of trying to sing them? Unless she absolutely hates the person and what they stand for, she would have to be dead inside not to feel the joy of that expression - and a little pleased that they bothered to take the time to learn them. PaulC (off for a banjo session). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 18:34:54 +1000 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: What do you call the decade? NJC The new decade is, of course, called the "naughties" :-) Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:25:47 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Geeze ma, not at 5AM AGAIN! (aka Tribute Thoughts) MG wrote: >I had a sub-thought running through my mind about >whether or not it was hard for Joni to watch some, >all or any of these performances. The people were, >after all, tampering with her works of art. And Paul replied: >I truly doubt it. When you hear someone sing a song >you've written it takes your breath away. Singing is not >a competition. And with Joni, these are all really good >songs, after all. Her versions are there for all time and >who here doesn't get a thrill out of trying to sing them? I would also think it would be pretty hypocritical if she DID think that, considering she's just released an album of covers (even if they are "standards"), ie. other people's songs! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 06:33:31 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: the vermont thing njc what i'd like to know is: if you get this piece of paper from vermont, are you legally married in all the union? and if so, can immigrants apply for a green card? i think that this issue would open a lot of interesting possibilities for those of us long-distance dating americans but unable to live and work in the us. wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:38:07 +0800 (JST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Info on Artists Who Cover Joni's Songs Sorry for rehashing something that may no longer be a thread (being away from the List for 5 days make you think you are CEO of one international agency... 600+ emails!). I was thinking if those of you who contributed to Bob's (fantastic!) project could write a 1-paragraph description of the artist you sent for inclusion in the "Covers and Contributions", we can probably inveigle other List members to check out the outputs of these artists. I, for one, didn't know about Brian Kennedy until I heard his heart-rending "A Case of You" in Vol. 2 Disc 2, but I will make sure I'll have his albums soon because anyone who can sing that sensitively may have other material that may appeal to what I consider good and heart-felt singing. We can probably have a site for Bob's "Covers and Contributions" project where anyone can just go to and read more about the artists who covered Joni. As for the artists I contributed to the project, here's some information: Kevyn Lettau, Sharon Cuneta, > Kevyn Lettau grew up in Germany and trained as a dancer. She sang with Sergio Mendes and was married to Mike Shapiro. She released 6 albums already: (1) Kevyn Lettau [(debut) although known in some countries as "Your Smile"] - features Sergio Mendes on piano in Lettau's new version of "Bridges". Also contains "I Get a Kick Out of You" and bossa-nova staples written by Dori Caymi (sp?), Milton Nascimento, et al. (2) BrazilJazz (3) Simple Life (where her "People's Parties" was taken) (4) Another Season (5) Language of Flowers Sharon Cuneta is a pop icon in Manila, Philippines. She is an award-winning actress, producer, TV host, singer, and is a successful endorser of products. She started singing at age 12 and has since recorded songs from movies where she appeared in. Her life is fodder for gossip magazines because of her rocky marriage to a philandering actor, her being the daughter of one of the most famous city mayors of Metro Manila, and her choice of leading men in movies. Her BSN version was taken from her latest album "When I Love" and has since been on massive airplay in major radio stations of the country. In fact, it was Sharon who insisted that BSN be the first song played from her album for the radio airplay. I am happy that at least BSN and Joni get noticed. But sometimes to such an extent that its played almost everywhere. Joseph np: Pink Floyd "UmmaGumma" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:54:33 +0200 From: Rome Subject: pony keg > Coyote > Casa Alegre > Hollywood, California > I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. Yeah, Yeah, go to Jackson, you big talkin' man! Tube ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 06:44:40 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: WHY ISN'T THERE AN ALT.MUSIC.JONI-MITCHELL??? There IS an alt.music.joni-mitchell. If you search for Usenet groups at Deja.com, you'll find it. It's not very active - not anything at all like our JMDL. At 11:49 PM 4/30/00 -0400, you wrote: ><< Could someone give me one reason that Joni doesn't have a > newsgroup on Usenet? Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 07:32:10 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Judgement Of The Moon And Stars-lyric question I listened to For The Roses (brilliant, totally brilliant!) on Saturday while folding mountains of laundry and I'm wondering about the line: "In the court they carve your legend with an apple in its jaw". I'm not sure if this has been brought up on the list before, nor do I know if this comment is common knowledge to Ludwig fans, but I'd love to know or to hear people's speculations. Take care, Gina ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #224 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?