From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #222 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, April 30 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 222 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Rosie (njc) [evian ] book recommendations? [evian ] Soundscan: the devil's instrument? njc [evian ] Re: Rosie (njc) [Guitarpoint@aol.com] Re: Rosie (njc) [apso ] Re: Covered in Cheese njc [apso ] Re: Rosie (njc) [Guitarpoint@aol.com] New Greenpoints Survey + CDNOW Coupons(NJC) [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: Another cover [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni in New Zealand [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Re: Refereeing at AYSO Carpinteria Region 683 Tournament [waytoblu@mindsp] Re: Record Biz 101 [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Another cover [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Another cover [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Jeff Buckley NJC ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: "your music puts me to sleep" - now Wally's "Richard" [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: "your music puts me to sleep" [Ginamu@aol.com] Jericho [dave fairall / beth miller ] larry, jaco, cassandra [dave fairall / beth miller ] POPS POPWELL [dave fairall / beth miller ] Concord Ticktes for May 13 (NJC) [Richard Goldman ] Re: "your music puts me to sleep" ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Marcel's Tribute Comments/HillaryNJC [catman ] Re: Marcel's Tribute Comments/HillaryNJC [catman ] Multiple Choice NJC [catman ] BSN climbs charts (& slips again) [Randy Remote ] Coupons (NJC) ["Alan Lorimer" ] Re: larry, jaco, cassandra [Mark Domyancich ] entertainment weekly [JP ] Re: entertainment weekly [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Multiple Choice NJC [Treehuggergirl25@aol.com] Got my ticket [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: "your music puts me to sleep" [CaTGirl627@aol.com] RE: Multiple Choice NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Another Cover ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:17:06 -0600 From: evian Subject: Rosie (njc) > thinking of Rosie in her bed is not an > image I want to have > *I* think she's kinda cute. Evian, who is trying to figure out where to find a dentist on a Saturday ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:22:31 -0600 From: evian Subject: book recommendations? Hi Laura, Bob is right -- JM.com and JMDL.COM are the greatest for interviews and articles about Joni... and, if you have an extra ink cartridge hanging around, it's nice to print some of them. I have to read for at least a half-hour before I go to sleep, so when I first bought my computer, I would print up a few articles each night and read them in bed... but then, the whole "OH MY GOD THE INTERNET AND MY COMPUTER AND PRINTER ARE SO COOL" thang wore off, and I got tired of buying ink every week, so I stopped that habit! Anyway, the websites and Stacy's book are wonderful for Joni info. I would avoid the Brian Hinton book -- some people like it, but it's just so annoying, really nothing in it except his take on every frigging song, and he is sooooo annoying, and doesn't make sense half the time. Welcome to the list, Evian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:29:21 -0600 From: evian Subject: Soundscan: the devil's instrument? njc > BSN sales dropped from 21,149 to 20,936 . . . . > Is it just me, or does anyone else sort of miss the days before Soundscan? I don't know, I am so sick of seeing a new album debut at #1, then plummet, and be off the charts in 6 weeks. I really have no idea how off the mark the old way was, but being a compulsive chart follower from age 13-18, it just seemed to me that an album had way more of a chance before soundscan, to build and grow, etc. Does that make any sense? But then again, what the hell do I know, I just took 2 codeine and the water bottle next to me seems to be dancing... ;) Anyway, just had to say that I am so sick of everything coming down to how many albums ship or whatever the first week. Evian np: "The Moon is Blue" -- Colourbox (Jason Maloney, IT'S FINALLY AVAILABLE IN CANADA ---- WHOOOOO HOOOOOOO, got it on constant repeat.... what an irrestistible song! What ever happened to them, anyway?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 03:31:55 EDT From: Guitarpoint@aol.com Subject: Re: Rosie (njc) << I think she's kinda cute.>> I was in a room with her ( she had no stage make up on) for 2 hours before I realized it was Rosie and not a person affected with mongolism. ( not that there's anything wrong with .....) NO LOL'S Dave cv ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:14:11 +0100 From: apso Subject: Re: Rosie (njc) oh dear. I think you mean down's syndrome. The term you used is considered offensive and has not been in use for many years. I get the feeling Rosie being a large lady is not okay. Guitarpoint@aol.com wrote: > > << I think she's kinda cute.>> > > I was in a room with her ( she had no stage make up on) for 2 hours > before I realized it was Rosie and not a person affected with mongolism. ( > not that there's anything wrong with .....) NO LOL'S > Dave cv > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:17:48 +0100 From: apso Subject: Re: Covered in Cheese njc This could be taken all sorts of ways. Like you'd murder him! Wally Kairuz wrote: > > oh yes! definitely! marcel's voice makes me want to do all sorts of > unmentionable things!!!!! > wallyk > > > Of all the versions of BSN that I've heard, I think Bob should have > included > > our own Marcel Deste's version of BSN. I was just listening to the > Jonifest > > Box Set, and I *love* his voice and guitar playing. 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Carole King, "Will You Love Me Tomorrow?" (Joni vocal) >> Isn't that the Mitchell-Taylor Boy and Girl Choir providing backup vocals? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 08:20:37 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Joni in New Zealand > >"She's presently in the midst of preparing for an extensive tour—her first >in three years— which kicks off in Japan in February, takes her through New >Zealand, Australia, Europe and concludes in America in mid-'83" This makes sense because the tape that I have is a recording of a show from 3-17-83. I can't identify the language as the mc person speaks so very fast, but this tape must be from that tour...apologies to Bob and others for not making copies yet--I'm the world's worst procastinator--but I still have it and intend to make it available. Victor http://www.mindspring.com/~waytoblu/Tangled.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 08:33:26 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Refereeing at AYSO Carpinteria Region 683 Tournament Ron, You are being issued a yellow card for sending this message to the Joni Mitchell Only League. Consider this a warning. If this happens again you will be ejected from the game. Imperial Police of Her Majesty :>) >I have not heard from Linda whether I will be needed to ref. From the >website, we appear to be scheduled to ref Sunday only (which is good because >I will not be at the games on Saturday) at fields 3& 4 (June fields across >from El Carro Park). Let me know if you will need me there -- otherwise I >will leave L.A. Sunday morning at 8:30 rather than 6 am > Click here: AYSO Carpinteria Region 683 > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:22:11 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Record Biz 101 Brenda J. Walker wrote : > Sorry for the delay in responding to this. Hopefully, this isn't too > boring for > you guys. > Brenda, No problem with delay. Thanks for the very informative response. Coincidentally I'm on my way to a Bryan Ferry show with orchestra. Will send a proper reply later Philip NP Jim Webb - Scissors cut ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 08:39:37 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Another cover In a message dated 4/29/00 4:57:45 AM US Central Standard Time, IVPAUL42 writes: << Isn't that the Mitchell-Taylor Boy and Girl Choir providing backup vocals? >> You are correct sir, and both James & Joni can be heard very distinctly...I'm still hanging my head as I didn't have a copy of "Tapestry" - can I still keep my 'King of the Sluts' crown? :~) Bob NP: Steely Dan, "what a shame about me" (this one just keeps getting better with every spin) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 09:34:25 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Another cover In a message dated 4/29/00 8:39:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy writes: << I didn't have a copy of "Tapestry" - can I still keep my 'King of the Sluts' crown? :~) >> Tsk. Tsk. I don't know. "Tapestry" has to be one of the all-time top 10 of the singer/songwriter genre. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 09:44:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Jeff Buckley NJC For those Jeff Buckley fans out there ( and no he is not Betty's son :)) he has a new live cd coming out. It is a companilon release to Live Chicago. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 09:50:21 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: "your music puts me to sleep" - now Wally's "Richard" In a message dated 04/28/2000 10:06:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << after i finished singing the last time i saw richard at ashara's, for a while i felt that i had succeeded in putting everybody to sleep! my worst nightmare come true! >> I didn't fall asleep! I hung on every word! I loved your performance of "Richard"! The images really came to life for me with your particular rendition. It was a very original, spoken-word poem-like thing (say that five times fast!) which stimulated my imagination too much to put me to sleep. I found it provocative! Take care, Gina NP: Mule Variations - Tom Waits ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 09:55:44 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: "your music puts me to sleep" In a message dated 04/29/2000 12:09:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Guitarpoint@aol.com writes: << It was a stupid comment, but I took it in the way of listening to it while she's in bed going to sleep. ( thinking of Rosie in her bed is not an image I want to have ) >> I don't have TV reception, so I don't watch much of it all. I did receive a copy of the broadcast from a generous lister. Isn't Rosie sort of "rough around the edges" ? Maybe Joni just considered the source. I'm sure she didn't take offense. She's much too involved with her work to truly take to heart something as inane as that comment. Take care, Gina NP - still Mule Variations ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:06:12 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: Jericho <> Bob, Thanks for the correction on Jericho, I remember that now, but the first studio version is obviously on DJRD, post Hejira. I didn't get to see the MOA's tour, or S+L for that matter, and it must have been cool to hear a new tune on the magnitude of Jericho, which I think is her magnum opus. That song still brings me to tears nearly every time, and on the DJ version, Jaco is brilliant. I hear his harmonic bass fills in my head as if they are part of the melody. DaveF. Baltimore ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:23:55 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: larry, jaco, cassandra <> Your comments on Larry Klein are right on, but as to Jaco dominating the proceedings, thank God he did!! I mean, his ego didn't let him be the consummate "team player" that Larry is certainly, but as a result of that characteristic, and his take no prisoners style, we are blessed with memorable performances that re-defined the role of the electric bass guitar. Larry is a definitely an alumni from the Jaco school, and it's a shame Jaco didn't live long enough to enjoy his legacy, or even learn to take a back seat. I also agree that Cassandra's version of Dry Cleaner was magnificent, (she's the most interpretive singer of our time), and the whole band seemed to take it up an notch. Let's face it, these guy's live to groove like that, and Bob Sheppard tore it up with his tenor solo. BTW....he's on the road w/ Steely Dan, (North American tour only), this summer, a terrific sax player!! DF Baltimore ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 11:02:14 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: larry, jaco, cassandra >Your comments on Larry Klein are right on, but as to Jaco dominating the >proceedings, thank God he did!! I mean, his ego didn't let him be the >consummate "team player" that Larry is certainly, but as a result of >that characteristic, and his take no prisoners style, we are blessed >with memorable performances that re-defined the role of the electric >bass guitar. Larry is a definitely an alumni from the Jaco school, and >it's a shame Jaco didn't live long enough to enjoy his legacy, or even >learn to take a back seat. I agree with both of you about the different styles of Bass playing by these two musicians but have to toss in my own personal favorite bass player's name... Robert "Pops" Popwell, from The Crusaders. Now HE was able to be both the "team player" AND promote the bass as a "lead" instrument. Point in case a tune called "Spiral" from the "Those Southern Knights" CD. If you've never heard it give it a listen when you have the time and inclination. Larry Carlton is also a featured soloist on this CD :) Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 11:33:51 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: POPS POPWELL > >I agree with both of you about the different styles of Bass playing > by > these two musicians but have to toss in my own personal favorite > bass player's name... Robert "Pops" Popwell, from The Crusaders. > Now HE was able to be both the "team player" AND promote the > bass as a "lead" instrument. Point in case a tune called "Spiral" > from the "Those Southern Knights" CD. If you've never heard it > give it a listen when you have the time and inclination. Larry > Carlton > is also a featured soloist on this CD :) > > Cassy Cassy, Pops is the man!! Crusaders broke new ground, Joe Sample and Wilton Felder are no slouches either. In fact, Wilton played bass on some of the Crusaders studio recordings as well. THX NP: Michael Brecker: Time is of the Essence. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 08:46:34 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Concord Ticktes for May 13 (NJC) Well people, two friends can't go now, so... we have a pair of tickets for Sat. May 13 @ Concord/Chronicle Pavilion, Section 106, Row M. If you want them for yourself or friends, let me know. Richard Goldman richard2sf@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 12:36:51 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: Re: larry, jaco, cassandra Hi Marcel, I'd say Larry Klein is probably a more complete player then Jaco, especially in an ensemble sense, and has studio chops as a producer which Jaco didn't live long enough to cultivate. Stylistically he may not be a Jaco clone, but I'm sure Jaco and Weather Report was a profound influence, really opened his ears. THX MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > Glad that you didnt take offense to my comments about jaco. Everything that > you say is true. he redefined the Bass although I would give some credit to a > few earlier less well known bass players whos eemed to be the first ones to > use certain techniques. But there is little doubt he took those "hints" and a > blew up all prior precedent as per technique and style. I wasnt aware that > larry klein was from the Jaco school. I would place him in another school one > that uses tones and volumes as well as where the note is struck on the neck > more so than the rhythmic pattern "school" which is where I place jaco > pastorious. You know when I first heard him play with her I just couldnt see > jaco backing Joni but after a few years I think it demonstrated her genius in > bringing him into the mix. Thanks for your comment. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 12:48:35 -0700 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Marcel's Tribute Comments/Hillary That was a fine piece of writing/critiquing, Marcel. I agreed with quite a bit of what you had to say. To name one instance, I too felt that Hillary's presence on the Tribute was incredibly self-serving. Even had she not bungled the Chelsea reference, in terms of *which* Chelsea the song was written about, her appearance still would have amounted to nothing more than 1) a political plug for herself, and 2) an effort to present her marriage as a happy, hand-in-hand love affair...which, after the events of 1998-1999, and in light of Bill's long, well-documented history of sexual harrassment (Paula Jones, Juanita Broderick, etc., etc., etc.) can only be construed (by me, at least) as a crass attempt at historical revision for the purpose of "legacy buillding." Her comments were totally scripted, and seemed to be delivered without much sincere warmth. Imho, the Joni Tribute was just a convenient vehicle for Hillary, and I'm sure she and her minnions are always on the lookout for such opportunities. I can just hear it..."Hey, Hillary, there's gonna be a Joni Mitchell Tribute in New York and, well, your daughter's name is Chelsea, and Joni Mitchell wrote a pretty popular song in the late-'60s called "Chelsea Morning," and I'll bet we can get someone to perform it, and maybe you can introduce it and..." I just wish the Clintons would choose to allow themselves to fade from the public eye...and I'm a fairly "liberal" Democrat. They both make me angry. They're just so calculating and false. Sorry for the rant, Hillary fans. No offense intended. Just one man's humble opinion. :-) "Boston Jim" P.S. I'm not trying to start a political debate. Marcel's comments compelled me to speak my mind. Hillary's presence on the Tribute had been bothering me all week. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 09:53:41 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Another cover > > You are correct sir, and both James & Joni can be heard very distinctly...I'm > still hanging my head as I didn't have a copy of "Tapestry" - can I still > keep my 'King of the Sluts' crown? :~) > > Bob > Absolutely NOT!! No copy of Tapestry?? Sheesh! (Just kidding, Bob. You've got stuff I've never even heard of. Your title is safe as far as I'm concerned.) Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:02:59 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: "your music puts me to sleep" > > I don't have TV reception, so I don't watch much of it all. I did receive a > copy of the broadcast from a generous lister. Isn't Rosie sort of "rough > around the edges" ? Maybe Joni just considered the source. I'm sure she > didn't take offense. She's much too involved with her work to truly take to > heart something as inane as that comment. > I think Joni likes Rosie. Joni seems very relaxed & at ease with Rosie, not uptight & defensive as she seems to be with a lot of interviewers. The last time she was on Rosie's show promoting TTT was delightful. The two of them were eating breath mints and/or throat lozenges and then throwing the bad tasting ones into the plants behind them. Joni seemed to be enjoying herself. And I've already stated my take on the 'I fall asleep to your music' comment. I know that somebody here had a bad experience with Rosie. Having never met the woman I have to say I enjoy watching her show. Sure she's a bit much sometimes but she usually seems to be pretty sincere. And funny! And not in that flip, smart-ass way that so many TV personalities tend to be. Rosie doesn't seem to assume that she's any better or smarter or hipper than her audience is and I like that quality. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 18:06:42 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Marcel's Tribute Comments/HillaryNJC an effort to > present her marriage as a happy, hand-in-hand love affair...which, after the > events of 1998-1999, and in light of Bill's long, well-documented history of > sexual harrassment (Paula Jones, Juanita Broderick, etc., etc., etc.) can > only be construed (by me, at least) as a crass attempt at historical I know niether peron. obviously. The impression i get is that Hillary is more interested in power than anything else. I also think she has set a terrible example to women and her daughter. (in this whole sordid mess, it is Chelsea my heart goes out to). It seems that she believes that no matter what your man does, no matter how he disrepects and abuses you, you stick by him becuase that is what good women do-they acquiesce to their men and put up with whatever shit gets thrown at them. this is what good wives and mothers do. So much for feminism, hey Hillary? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:22:50 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Marcel's Tribute Comments/Hillary > That was a fine piece of writing/critiquing, Marcel. I agreed with quite a > bit of what you had to say. To name one instance, I too felt that Hillary's > presence on the Tribute was incredibly self-serving. I wonder if people would be making these comments if it was any other First Lady besides Hillary. God forbid that the woman has brains & ambitions of her own. > > Even had she not bungled the Chelsea reference, in terms of *which* Chelsea > the song was written about, her appearance still would have amounted to > nothing more than 1) a political plug for herself, and 2) an effort to > present her marriage as a happy, hand-in-hand love affair...which, after the > events of 1998-1999, and in light of Bill's long, well-documented history of > sexual harrassment (Paula Jones, Juanita Broderick, etc., etc., etc.) can > only be construed (by me, at least) as a crass attempt at historical > revision for the purpose of "legacy buillding." Her comments were totally > scripted, and seemed to be delivered without much sincere warmth. Sure her comments were scripted. Anyone in her position would have prepared what she wanted to say beforehand. But I doubt that she jockeyed to have the spot on the show. It's fairly common knowledge that Chelsea Clinton was named for the song. It's in just about every article on Joni you see these days. And who cares which Chelsea the song was written about? She could have fibbed and said they were in New York but she didn't. They happened to be in London and the *name* made them think of the song. And whatever the state of their marriage is now, they were young, happy & in love at that time. The current state of their relationship is completely irrelevant to the story she was telling. Is she supposed to finish up by saying 'Unfortunately my husband turned out to be a lying, cheating SOB & I'm going to divorce him as soon as I win the senate seat I'm running for?' That would have made such a nice ending to the story to honor Joni with, wouldn't it? There was a tribute concert on national television to Joni Mitchell. The First Lady of the United States had a story that was relevant to the proceedings & reflected well on the honoree. Why is it so inappropriate that a taped and scripted speech from that First Lady should appear in this tribute? The fact that Hillary is running for a Senate seat in New York state doesn't make the story any less true or relevant to the event. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:26:15 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Marcel's Tribute Comments/HillaryNJC It seems that she believes > that no matter what your man does, no matter how he disrepects and > abuses you, you stick by him becuase that is what good women do-they > acquiesce to their men and put up with whatever shit gets thrown at > them. this is what good wives and mothers do. So much for feminism, hey > Hillary? True, but most wives aren't married to the President of the United States. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:38:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Marcel's Tribute Comments/Hillary I would only add to Mark's cogent comments that we should all feel honored that the First Lady of the United States took time from a very busy life to be part of her tribute. Jerry On Sat, 29 Apr 2000, Mark or Travis wrote: > > > That was a fine piece of writing/critiquing, Marcel. I agreed with > quite a > > bit of what you had to say. To name one instance, I too felt that > Hillary's > > presence on the Tribute was incredibly self-serving. > > I wonder if people would be making these comments if it was any other > First Lady besides Hillary. God forbid that the woman has brains & > ambitions of her own. > > > > Even had she not bungled the Chelsea reference, in terms of *which* > Chelsea > > the song was written about, her appearance still would have amounted > to > > nothing more than 1) a political plug for herself, and 2) an effort > to > > present her marriage as a happy, hand-in-hand love affair...which, > after the > > events of 1998-1999, and in light of Bill's long, well-documented > history of > > sexual harrassment (Paula Jones, Juanita Broderick, etc., etc., > etc.) can > > only be construed (by me, at least) as a crass attempt at historical > > revision for the purpose of "legacy buillding." Her comments were > totally > > scripted, and seemed to be delivered without much sincere warmth. > > Sure her comments were scripted. Anyone in her position would have > prepared what she wanted to say beforehand. But I doubt that she > jockeyed to have the spot on the show. It's fairly common knowledge > that Chelsea Clinton was named for the song. It's in just about every > article on Joni you see these days. And who cares which Chelsea the > song was written about? She could have fibbed and said they were in > New York but she didn't. They happened to be in London and the *name* > made them think of the song. And whatever the state of their marriage > is now, they were young, happy & in love at that time. The current > state of their relationship is completely irrelevant to the story she > was telling. Is she supposed to finish up by saying 'Unfortunately my > husband turned out to be a lying, cheating SOB & I'm going to divorce > him as soon as I win the senate seat I'm running for?' That would > have made such a nice ending to the story to honor Joni with, wouldn't > it? > > There was a tribute concert on national television to Joni Mitchell. > The First Lady of the United States had a story that was relevant to > the proceedings & reflected well on the honoree. Why is it so > inappropriate that a taped and scripted speech from that First Lady > should appear in this tribute? The fact that Hillary is running for a > Senate seat in New York state doesn't make the story any less true or > relevant to the event. > > Mark in Seattle > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:14:45 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: RE: "your music puts me to sleep" I confess that I did a double-take at this comment when I first heard it on a tape of Joni's recent appearance on the Rosie O'Donnell show. My view: Rosie *meant* to say that Joni's music is beautiful and soothing, and that she even plays it as she is drifting off to sleep: she clearly admires Joni and liked the album. But she did in fact say something quite different. Since my recollection is that Joni didn't visibly react, my guess is that she 1) wasn't paying attention to the comment; 2) heard it, but put it in the larger contexts of Rosie's compliments to her during the entire show, and what Rosie likely meant by this remark, or 3) was offended, but exercised truly exemplary self-control. There. . . I guess that pretty much runs the gamut of possibilities! Interestingly, my mother and I thought that Rosie actually said two different things here. I heard "this album puts me to sleep," and practically jumped out of my chair; my mother, after she hadn't seen the tape for awhile, thought Rosie had said, "I listen to this album while drifting off to sleep." All this goes to highlight the serious difficulties with eyewitness ("earwitness"?) accounts, with which I am all too familiar! Mary P, remembering with a smile how Mom taped this segment as a surprise for me without my even asking, and how we watched it together over Easter weekend. *Serious* Joni-bonding!! ;-) P.S. My mother, a professional artist, was quite impressed with the cover painting from BSN. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:57:00 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Marcel's Tribute Comments/HillaryNJC but most wives aren't married to the President of the United > States. True-but I don't understand why that makes a difference. Perhaps because of this, she was in a better positon to make a stand. except for her ambitions. > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 15:00:48 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Diana Krall (NJC) I just read a review of Diana Krall's re-released debut album "Stepping Out". The review is favorable, but I did think one line was pretty funny. He say's "As a singer, she can be soft and sexy and wry and ironic, but it sometimes sounds like she's just had a large filling done, and the Novocaine hasn't worn off yet" LOL I happen to LOVE Diana Krall, but I thought some of you might appreciate the reviewer's comment. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 16:45:32 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: NJC: Joni promo in NY/Joni fan mail Hi, Was in town yesterday on 86th street between Lexington and Park there was a big Joni display for BSN at Ticketmaster. I bet if you're a real diehard and bug them a whole hell of a lot you might get one of their posters. And while your at it can you send one my way? Anyway, I thought hmm this was a good omen, but nope same old shit at my favorite Park Ave Doctor but it was a Joni day anyway, just that it turned out to be that line about docs from Sire of Sorrow. So after that shitty news decided to get back to the garden literally. Mrs. Chili and I went chugging over on the Staten Island ferry to see the new "Chinese Scholar's Garden." Very Very beautiful. I am writing an article on Chinese Tree Peonies and theirs were in full bloom. The place itself is designed after Chinese Gardens that flourished during the Ming Dynasty and were sanctuaries for scholars and places of contemplation. For more information www.sibg.org Happy Arbor Day! - -Chili :-) Thank you for the Joni fan mail that is coming in. Again, if you mail me or e-mail me "fan" mail for Joni I will do my best to deliver it to her at the Connecticut show. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:15:38 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Marcel's Tribute Comments/HillaryNJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "catman" To: "Mark or Travis" Cc: "James L. Leonard" ; "Joni List" Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 11:57 AM Subject: Re: Marcel's Tribute Comments/HillaryNJC > but most wives aren't married to the President of the United > > States. > > True-but I don't understand why that makes a difference. Perhaps because > of this, she was in a better positon to make a stand. except for her > ambitions. > > What I meant was that she could have contributed to the divisiveness & controversy caused by the whole Monica Lewinsky/Paula Jones scandal and added fuel to the fire of Ken Starr's travesty of an 'investigation', but she didn't. As First Lady she acted in the only way she could. She kept her mouth shut & in my opinion showed a lot of class in doing so. Hillary is not just Bill Clinton's wife, she is the First Lady of the U S. The Clinton's have presented themselves as a team from the get go. Whether you like them or not or agree with what they stand for, you have to admit that Hillary didn't cut her losses & run when the going got tough. She stuck it out for the good of the team and, imo, for the good of the country. I suppose she could have denounced Bill & Monica like those people on the Jerry Springer show and made them all look like brainless morons airing their tawdry mis-deeds in public. What good would that have done Chelsea? But Hillary didn't do that. She kept her personal life personal & stuck to the business of doing her job. I for one, admire her for that. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat Apr 29 17:31:33 2000 From: Treehuggergirl25@aol.com Subject: Re: Jeff Buckley NJC jeff buckley has an amazing voice. It's too bad he died the way he did. My old roommate and i used to listen to his music and SWOON. hehe ;-) - -angela ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 17:54:24 -0400 From: Lucy Ijams Subject: videotape request Can I get someone to please please please copy their tape of the TNT tribute? I don't get cable and couldn't get anyone to tape it for me, and just reading about it here makes me determined to see and hear what y'all are talking about. I will be happy to send a blank tape and cover all postage costs. btw, I am still listening to Joni on vinyl. Do the rest of you fanatics recommend getting CDs of the 1960s and 70s catalogue? Thanks, Lucy, who lives in Central CT, btw and still regrets not going to see her at Yale in 1974(?) when I was up the road at college in Hartford. np: All Things Considered ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 23:04:28 +0100 From: catman Subject: Multiple Choice NJC Scenario: Big Champ show tomorrow. One long haired red and WHITE American Cocker to bathe and shave and strip. Spend better part of afternoon and evening doing this. Phoebe looks lovely, her white is white. John is being helpful and doing the cooking while I get myself and my gear ready for the 4am rise. I come down stairs to find all the dogs, including Phoebe have been put in garden. Outside it is raining. Phoebe comes in covered in mud. Multiple Choice questions: a) would you murder John? b) would you murder John? c) would you murder John? d) would you re-bathe Phoebe and then write a silly post to the list? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 15:52:54 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: BSN climbs charts (& slips again) Last week BSN jumped to 66 in the Billboard Top 200 albums chart, this week dropped back to 90. I expect 66 will be the peak-hope I'm wrong... RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 08:58:55 +1000 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Coupons (NJC) Barnes & Noble have a whole heap of new coupons available including BGFOOTB which gives $20 off a $40 order. This does work and does give $20 off even if it comes up as 20% off during the ordering process. (I have just ordered an expensive book despited the Australian dollar falling to below 60 cents US) I have them all listed at my "Coupons" website: http://jonimitchell.freeservers.com/ Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:36:34 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: larry, jaco, cassandra Larry is incredibly bland, IMO. I think he tried to hard to be like Jaco on WTRF and the tour soon after. Jaco is without a doubt a god. Him and Phil Lesh! NP-CSN-In My Dreams (CD still in progress) At 12:36 PM -0500 4/29/00, dave fairall / beth miller wrote: >Hi Marcel, > >I'd say Larry Klein is probably a more complete player then Jaco, >especially in >an ensemble sense, and has studio chops as a producer which Jaco >didn't live long >enough to cultivate. >Stylistically he may not be a Jaco clone, but I'm sure Jaco and Weather Report >was a profound influence, really opened his ears. >THX - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 03:24:19 +0300 From: JP Subject: entertainment weekly hi, i just watched an episode of entertainment weekly here in finland. it probably wasn't a brand new episode but it had a short story about joni. i don't remember if it has been mentioned here. they had the hillary clip (i guess that's newsworthy for et). it was as fake as i expected. then there was joni saying something appreciative about the attention, short but sweet. she was standing in front of the tour poster and it had chaka khan. i understand she didn't perform. does anyone know why? - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 21:57:36 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: entertainment weekly In a message dated 4/29/00 9:26:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi writes: << i don't remember if it has been mentioned here. they had the hillary clip (i guess that's newsworthy for et). it was as fake as i expected. >> What was fake about it? Like k.d. lang's attire, I do not understand why anyone is making an issue of this. The woman is the First Lady and named her only child after a song by Joni. It seems to me that anything LESS than what was done would have been a grievous oversight. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat Apr 29 23:13:11 2000 From: Treehuggergirl25@aol.com Subject: Re: Multiple Choice NJC i'd probably roll John in the mud. - -angela a) would you murder John? b) would you murder John? c) would you murder John? d) would you re-bathe Phoebe and then write a silly post to the list? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 23:26:20 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Got my ticket Yippee! Tix went on sale today for Chastain - I ended up on row X, better seat than I thought I'd get. Now if X would open for Joni, that would rock! (I'm joking, X opening for Joni on the BSN orchestra tour would be as inappropriate as Joni opening for Dylan in '98! ;~) And for a bit o' trivia, Dave Alvin, who opened for Joni on a couple of those shows, played with X for a span... Bob NP: The Braves game at my in-laws ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 00:57:36 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: "your music puts me to sleep" In a message dated 4/29/2000 2:19:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PitassiM@WEAC.org writes: << I confess that I did a double-take at this comment when I first heard it on a tape of Joni's recent appearance on the Rosie O'Donnell show. My view: Rosie *meant* to say that Joni's music is beautiful and soothing, and that she even plays it as she is drifting off to sleep: she clearly admires Joni and liked the album. >> I agree. When I first heard that I thought, What the hell are you saying but I truely think she is a great admirer of Joni's. How many other shows has Joni really been on that have her sit down and talk and then do another song? I don't think Leno was very nice to her when I saw him. Here she gives him an ear from TI and he acted like he could care less. I bought THREE of those CD's when they first came out for one of those ears and not one was found. It took me forever to finally get my ear. Leno probably lost his or just threw it in a drawer somewhere. I think Letterman really likes her alot too!! I wish I had taped her on his show. He had her twice in one year. Talk about liking someone... Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 02:27:48 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Multiple Choice NJC oh colin!!!!!!! please forgive john. just slap him three or four times and simply forgive him... good luck on the show, darling! wallyk > Multiple Choice questions: > > a) would you murder John? > > b) would you murder John? > > c) would you murder John? > > d) would you re-bathe Phoebe and then write a silly post to the list? > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 23:04:29 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Another Cover Bob wrote: >Wow, and that may be sooner than I thought! This week >alone I laid down 15 more songs for Volume 3, the CD's just >about full! I just sent you off another load (including yet more Judy Collins' renditions of BSN!) but there may be some dupes of what you've already received. Doing some Spring cleaning today, I took a bunch of old vinyl 45s to a couple places in Hollywood to try to sell. Ended up with only a meager credit at one huge place that had endless thousands of records. Did not plan to but spent the next two hours scouring the place for Joni covers. The terminally hip customers were eyeing me suspiciously as I pored over old Doris Day and Pat Martino records and then spent way too much time in the Blues and Jazz sections (looking for Mabel Mercer). Finally the security guard started trailing me. Also looked in World, Reggae, International, Folk and Punk, but could not come up with a one. Did find a rare U.K. release CD of Nick Drake, though. (Anyone else think Nick looks like Jim Morrison's kinder and gentler twin brother?) I really hope the Cover CDs can get to Joni. I think she would really love them. Kakki NP: Nick Drake - Man in a Shed ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #222 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?