From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #221 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, April 29 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 221 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni Sales ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: BSN costs ["Brenda J. Walker" ] re: laura's question about joni books [pat holden ] re: Rosie's comment on falling asleep to BSN [pat holden ] Re: "your music puts me to sleep" [Janet Hess ] RE: "your music puts me to sleep" njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Tribute Comments after 10th Viewing [vicki harris Subject: Joni Sales BSN sales dropped from 21,149 to 20,936 . . . . I guess people bought on the rumor (the advertising for the show) and not the news (the show itself). Instead, they bought catalog. Her total catalog sales were up from 29,397 to 40,112 for the week. Blue, Hejira, LOTC, HOSL, C&S were all up... Report ready for anyone who wants it. Brenda NP - Magic Man - Heart - Virgin Suicides soundtrack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:38:16 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: BSN costs Steve Dulson wrote: > Anyway, Joni doesn't get a penny from BSN > (except songwriting royalties) until Reprise has recouped all its costs, > and that ain't going to happen for awhile, IMHO. And that includes all > the costs for those advertising displays, listening stations at > Borders, etc., etc. Major label record releases can be like Hollywood > movies - the accountants can see to it that there is never any profit > to be shared out. > Sorry, but this is just not true. Artists start getting paid after their recoupable costs have been covered. Recoupable costs are: 1) the cost of producing the record and artist advances 2) tour support 3) 50% of promotional music video costs (not tv specials or commercial videos like PWW&M) Sometimes independent radio promotion and independent publicity fees are recoupable. It depends on who asks for it, the artist or the label. And what is recouped is the cost of the person doing the work. However, any of the label marketing expenses like retail promotions, listening stations, advertising and publicity/promotional appearances (where the artist isn't getting paid - SAG fees don't count) are not recouped against the artist's income. Let's say that Joni has an independent publicist (that she requested or had mandatory in her contract) and that publicist booked her on Today. The publicist's fee would be recoupable but the expense of the appearance would not be. So as soon as Reprise has recouped Joni's advance, production costs, etc. then she starts getting paid whether they've made back their marketing expense or not. That's why auditing is so important for artists. They have to make sure that the recoupable costs are really what they should be. I know; it's rather byzantine the way it works . . . .no wonder people like her hate it! Brenda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:06:00 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: re: laura's question about joni books Laura wrote: <<>> the only joni book i have is "Joni Mitchell , the complete poems and lyrics" I love this and yes yes yes it IS worth the price so very much. A treasure. mags - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:13:33 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: re: Rosie's comment on falling asleep to BSN Relayer wrote: <<< Does anyone think that this comment of Rosie's was a little thoughtless?Joni is not someone who would want people to SLEEP to her music.Does anyone think Joni may have been slightly offended by this comment?>>>> Since you asked...here's my read on it.... I thought Rosie was paying a grand compliment to Joni by saying this particular CD was so relaxing it put her to sleep... I dont think this was meant in a bad way at all. Just my humble opinion. mags - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:13:50 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: "your music puts me to sleep" > > Does anyone think that this comment of Rosie's was a little > thoughtless?Joni is not someone who would want people to SLEEP to her > music.Does anyone think Joni may have been slightly offended by this comment? I think she was referring specifically to Both Sides Now and no, I don't think the comment was thoughtless or offensive. She was saying that the music is beautiful & soothing. I don't think she was saying it was innocuous & boring. I think she was saying she could play it before going to bed and feel relaxed and ready to drift off into pleasant dreams. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:31:49 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: "your music puts me to sleep" I hope Joni wasn't offended, because I love to listen to BSN as I drift off to dreamland dreamland. I don't listen to BSN *only* then, of course, but it seems to me that one of the powers of music is its power to relax, to calm...as in a parent crooning to a child. Parts of BSN are as soothing as anything I know. > Does anyone think that this comment of Rosie's was a little >thoughtless?Joni is not someone who would want people to SLEEP to her >music.Does anyone think Joni may have been slightly offended by this comment? > - ----------------- So when you see a man who's broken / Pick him up and carry him. And when you see a woman who's broken / Put her all into your arms 'Cause we don't know where we come from / We don't know what we are. Laurie Anderson, "Ramon" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:04:59 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: "your music puts me to sleep" njc this is so funny because i used to get the same kind of feedback when i finished playing my music for friends or strangers. i would get SO infuriated by that comment, worst of all because people DID fall asleep in the middle of my performances!!!! eventually, i understood that it was meant as a compliment of sorts but it still stung for a while. last september, after i finished singing the last time i saw richard at ashara's, for a while i felt that i had succeeded in putting everybody to sleep! my worst nightmare come true! wallyk > > > > Does anyone think that this comment of Rosie's was a little > > thoughtless?Joni is not someone who would want people to SLEEP to > her > > music.Does anyone think Joni may have been slightly offended by this > comment? > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:07:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Covered in Cheese njc oh yes! definitely! marcel's voice makes me want to do all sorts of unmentionable things!!!!! wallyk > Of all the versions of BSN that I've heard, I think Bob should have included > our own Marcel Deste's version of BSN. I was just listening to the Jonifest > Box Set, and I *love* his voice and guitar playing. It's great! > > Jimmy > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:23:39 -0700 From: vicki harris Subject: Re: Tribute Comments after 10th Viewing I probably missed it, (since it's been out awhile), but I haven't seen anyone comment on Wynonna's performance of Joni's "Help Me" on her latest CD (New Day Dawning) or comparing it to k.d. lang's version from the tribute show. Not normally a big country music fan, I still think Wynonna should have performed THAT song on Joni's show. (k.d.? No Style,No Shoes-No Singing) It's great to hear how everyone has their own take on each performer. I thought Dianna Krall's performance was the highlight of the show and Richard Thompson hurt my ears. Hearing differing opinions made me take a second look. (though I haven't changed my mind yet...) : > ) It was great to see our Joni get all that attention. Vicki n.p. Patty Larkin...good thing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:28:39 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: Sue M., and "Impossible Dreamer" njc mary! i have always thought so! sue knocked me out completely when i first heard her version! the same thing happened the first time i heard marian's voice. > One of the best versions of "Impossible Dreamer" that I can imagine is her > very own, which is found on the JMDL tribute, "A Tape of You" (JMDL Tape > Tree #4). Anyone who hasn't heard this yet is in for a treat! On some > days, I like Sue's version of this song better than even Joni's. ;-) > > Mary P. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:01:01 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Covered in Cheese njc In a message dated 00-04-28 22:09:03 EDT, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << oh yes! definitely! marcel's voice makes me want to do all sorts of unmentionable things!!!!! wallyk >> Wally quit putting makeup on your hand and doing your Senor Wences imitation after consuming a bottle of Amaretto. LOL marcel. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:23:41 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Book Recommendations? << Anyway, my question is, does anyone have any recommendations of books about Joni? >> Laura, firstly welcome to the list! Secondly, if you love to read about Joni & saving money & have web access, both JoniMitchell.com and JMDL.com are GREAT GREAT GREAT resources. Lots of articles, reviews, pictures, veritable Joni treasure chests! And if you are like me and like to curl up on the sofa with print, you can't go wrong with Stacy Luftig's "Joni Mitchell Companion". I soaked up every word, it's a collection of articles & interviews presented chronologically so you get a real feel for Joni's artistic progression. 4 stars from me!! Looking forward to hearing more from you! Bob NP(Now Playing): Buckingham-Nicks, "Frozen Love" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:35:46 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Another cover In a message dated 4/28/00 9:27:14 AM US Central Standard Time, steve@psitech.com writes: << I can see volume 23 of the covers CDs shaping up.... :) >> Wow, and that may be sooner than I thought! This week alone I laid down 15 more songs for Volume 3, the CD's just about full! For those of you scoring at home, here's how it shapes up thus far: 1. Tom Rush, "Tin Angel" 2. Tom Rush, "Urge For Going" 3. Tom Rush, "The Circle Game" 4. Frank Sinatra, "BSN" 5. Rod Taylor, "Making A Way" (Joni contributes a very pretty and obvious "Joni-vocal" on this one - still unsure if this is the same "Birds" dude...) 6. David Crosby, "Yvette In English" 7. Amy Grant, "BYT" 8. Mary Black, "Urge For Going" 9. Natalie Cole, "BSN" 10. Richard Dworski, "The Circle Game" 11. Eric Anderson, "Blue River" (Joni vocal) 12. Neil Diamond, "BSN" 13. Richard Dworski, "Woodstock" 14. Carole King, "Will You Love Me Tomorrow?" (Joni vocal) 15. Phil Mattson & The P.M. Singers, "Night In The City" And more coming in! (Adrienne Barbeau, where are you? :~D) My repeated thanks to all JMDL'ers contributing to this ongoing project... Bob NP: Buckingham-Nicks, "Crystal" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:42:11 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: OBTUSE JONI? In a message dated 4/28/00 3:41:10 PM US Central Standard Time, davebeth@bellatlantic.net writes: << What's obtuse about Night Ride Home, Moon at the Window, Jericho, Crazy Cries of Love?..............all post Hejira, and no doubt also inspirational to many of the performers who participated in the Tribute. >> While I agree that it would have been interesting to see some more obscure & lesser-known material covered, Jericho was first released on MOA, so it was definitely NOT post-Hejira...but still, Dave, point well taken. Jericho would be one of the PERFECT songs for one of these tributes, as it is such a brilliant song all the way 'round...Christina Wheeler gives it a nice turn on the Joni's Jazz concert. Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Gaslighting Abbie" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:07:26 EDT From: Guitarpoint@aol.com Subject: Re: "your music puts me to sleep" << Does anyone think that this comment of Rosie's was a little thoughtless? >> It was a stupid comment, but I took it in the way of listening to it while she's in bed going to sleep. ( thinking of Rosie in her bed is not an image I want to have ) I was watching for Joni's expression when she uttered that most stupid comment and thought that Joni didn't pay attention to the comment because she was pre-occupied with wondering how Rosie keeps her pumpkin sized head balanced on her shoulders. Dave c ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:09:31 EDT From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Prairie Music (Way NJC) I getting a bit worried. Pulled out another Canadian's CD - Pure Prairie League - and played Aime repeatedly tonight. I really liked it (again) and am stone cold sober. Do y'all think it's a prairie thing? Maybe now I have a penchant for all prairie music? Recorded in Toronto in 1972...Well, maybe that was the closest city with a recording studio? Dunno. No regrets, Coyote Casa Alegre Hollywood, California I'll be dancin' on a pony keg. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #221 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?