From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #200 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 18 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 200 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #145 [Bounced Message ] Big Yellow Taxi CD ["cassy" ] this is actually from David Lahm...Re: Chiming in on the tribute ["Alison] FW: Chiming in on the Tribute... ["Alison Einerson" ] who came to the UK JONIFEST/TROUBADOUR? [Martin Giles ] Amazon.com sales ["howard_scptv" ] Re: Joni Fever on the Dot Coms ["Kakki" ] Re: Tribute (md) [catman ] Re: Joni promo costs ["Kakki" ] Joni's Tribute [picard3@webtv.net (Sherelle Smith)] 90's Cyndi & barefooted singers (NJC) [Janene Otten ] Joni in People Magazine [WirlyPearl@aol.com] Re: 90's Cyndi & barefooted singers (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Joni singing at her tribute ["Carver, Dax" ] Re: Covers and Contributions Project ["Kakki" ] Re: Amazon.com sales ["Reuben Bell" ] Joni in People Magazine - a few pages later [WirlyPearl@aol.com] Re: 90's Cyndi & barefooted singers (NJC) [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Re: Joni in People Magazine - a few pages later [Don Rowe ] Re: Tribute [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni Fever on the Dot Coms [Randy Remote ] Re: Una vita per Joni [Catherine McKay ] Joni Tribute [Bounced Message ] NEW AND IMPROVED FOR ALL YOU Alternate tuning nuts!! [Susan McNamara ] On the Material Girl (NJC) [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: Joni Fever on the Dot Coms [michael w yarbrough ] Re: k.d. and respect for Joni [Phyliss Ward ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:18:41 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: RE: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #145 From: "Christine Nunn" Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:14:19 -0400 As far as respect, if anything, I see it as a matter of self-respect. There's nothing wrong with looking your best on a big night. It doesn't make one "phony" at all. But it was her choice and she is entitled to it. Kakki I was there, and the fact of the matter was, it looked like kd rolled out of bed, failing to even brush her hair, and hopped on stage. The area I was sitting in was abuzz with similar thoughts. But, it is her choice, no one elses. Not a matter of respect, just taste. But, she looked unkempt. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:19:16 -0400 From: "cassy" Subject: Big Yellow Taxi CD My wonderful (and very new, only two weeks married) husband has been hunting for things for me on Ebay. He bought something and told me it was a surprise. Yesterday the item came and as I was opening it he said he hoped I didn't already have it! I pulled a CD out of the envelope and was a little disappointed as it was indeed a disc I already had, Big Yellow Taxi Dance remixes. As I looked closer, I realized that it looked a little different than the copy I had already, it was not in a jewel case, it had a cardboard cover with a plastic flip-tab closing; so I got out the one I had and compared them. Indeed there are two different versions of this disc, the cardboard case disc has the black and white checkers and taxi-yellow on it... the jewel-case disc is a pale green color, the sequence of the pieces is different and the cardboard sleeved disc has an extra cut with the original A Cappella/guitar version on it . My husband was bummed out that he bought me something I already had but I told him it was great because now I have them both! has anyone else seen both versions? Cassy the newlywed N.P. Peter Gabriel "Secret World Live" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:32:37 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: this is actually from David Lahm...Re: Chiming in on the tribute I also felt Diana Krall was squeezing the song...there was a little bit the air of having to prove to us how into it she was. But Cyndi Lauper was the bigger disappointment for me, after such enthusiasm was expressed on JMDL about her before the telecast. I found her far too mannered. I had never seen nor heard Richard Thompson before; he came across as a very strong personality, kind of a primitive. But for me he didn't perform JM's songs well. "Black Crow" has a rhythm that RT never came near; his time feeling on it was unbelievably square (am I actually writing this?). Interesting problem for me...a listener who as a musician is a headstrong interpreter. Richard Thompson did his own thing and IMO, it just fell flat. It's like "I defend to the death your right to say it, but I disagree with what you say." I was surprised how much difference one fluffed word made in "Woodstock:" Instead of singing that the bombers were "turning into butterflies above our nation" he sang "turning into butterflies across our nation" which just causes the picture of the moment JM created to disintegrate into a newscast. My favorites were James Taylor and the Colvin/Carpenter duets. C/C really preserved the very characteristic rhythmic freedom that make JM JM. In fact it sounded like, at one point in "Amelia," they went so far they got a little turned around but it was only momentary. Their voices were clear and perfectly miked and balanced; I could hear every word (not the case with Elton John.) On "Chelsea Morning" I even heard that astounding bass note (I've never been able to figure out what it is) that comes on the syllables "SUNshow ev'ry second" and "TALK in present tenses." The comments I'm reading tonight--there will be 200 I'm sure--reveal a fascinating spread of response. This list is a great place to be. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:03:36 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: FW: Chiming in on the Tribute... - ---------- From: Dflahm@aol.com To: alisone@kirkhams.com Subject: Re: Chiming in on the Tribute... Date: Mon, Apr 17, 2000, 9:21 PM I also felt Diana Krall was squeezing the song...there was a little bit the air of having to prove to us how into it she was. But Cyndi Lauper was the bigger disappointment for me, after such enthusiasm was expressed on JMDL about her before the telecast. I found her far too mannered. I had never seen nor heard Richard Thompson before; he came across as a very strong personality, kind of a primitive. But for me he didn't perform JM's songs well. "Black Crow" has a rhythm that RT never came near; his time feeling on it was unbelievably square (am I actually writing this?). Interesting problem for me...a listener who as a musician is a headstrong interpreter. Richard Thompson did his own thing and IMO, it just fell flat. It's like "I defend to the death your right to say it, but I disagree with what you say." I was surprised how much difference one fluffed word made in "Woodstock:" Instead of singing that the bombers were "turning into butterflies above our nation" he sang "turning into butterflies across our nation" which just causes the picture of the moment JM created to disintegrate into a newscast. My favorites were James Taylor and the Colvin/Carpenter duets. C/C really preserved the very characteristic rhythmic freedom that make JM JM. In fact it sounded like, at one point in "Amelia," they went so far they got a little turned around but it was only momentary. Their voices were clear and perfectly miked and balanced; I could hear every word (not the case with Elton John.) On "Chelsea Morning" I even heard that astounding bass note (I've never been able to figure out what it is) that comes on the syllables "SUNshow ev'ry second" and "TALK in present tenses." The comments I'm reading tonight--there will be 200 I'm sure--reveal a fascinating spread of response. This list is a great place to be. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:02:20 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: Chicago tickets, information needed! I apologize for bothering the entire list with this request, but I've been swamped with work lately, and am only now getting down to the business of lining up tickets for Joni's Chicago concert. I searched in the Ticketmaster site, but the available seats don't look great. Does anyone have an extra ticket you won't be using for Joni's CHICAGO (Rosemont) concert on May 30, 2000? It's a big plus if the seat is near or next to other list members. Also, has a "meet and great" been set up for Chicago? Finally, haven't separate lists been set up for potential concert-goers in the various tour cities? If so, where are they? Please e-mail me privately with this information. I'd like to make some decisions today, if at all possible. Finally, to all the wonderful Detroit JMDLers: so sorry I can't join you again, but I'm afraid I can only afford such a delicious trip "once in a while, in a big blue moon"! May you capture lightning in a bottle twice. ;-) Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:46:29 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: who came to the UK JONIFEST/TROUBADOUR? Hi peeps. Sorry to take up bandwidth by repeating this message, but I want to make sure everybody involved sees this... This is a request for all the people who came to the Troubadour on the 4th January to get in touch with me. We had a couple of photos of the whole group taken, and I was thinking that it would be nice if one of these shots appeared on the artwork of the (soon to be released) CD. What would be even nicer would be to have a caption under the photo showing who's who, so that everyone who gets a copy of the CD will be able to put names to faces. So get in touch with me with your email addresses. I'll get the photo mailed back out to y'all, and you can me mail back again, describing your position in the picture. I think that'll work! atb, Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:40:54 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #198 "Im new" Les, Whatever you did to get me on the list I appreciate it. I've been trying for the longest time. I had a tear in my eye during the tribute to Joni. I was overcome by the Shawn Colvin/Mary Chapin Carpenter "Amelia" rendition. It was beautiful. I only saw the last hour. If it will be aired again would someone please let me know. I'm just glad to be here. I am looking forward to "being with" people that have this taste for music. Mike Hicks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:24:50 -0400 From: "Paul Pennington" Subject: Songlist for Tribute There is a pre-concert song list at the TNT site at: http://tnt.turner.com/specials/jonimitchell/ click on "press release". This list does not reflect the last-minute changes, however. I was wondering if someone had come up with a corrected list. I added the album name to the old list from the site above: 1. Raised on Robbery - Shadows and Light ? 2. Carey - Blue 3. Chelsea Morning - Clouds 4. Big Yellow Taxi - Ladies of the Canyon 5. River - Blue 6. You Turn Me On (I'm A Radio) - For the Roses 7. Help Me - Court and Spark 8. The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines - Mingus 9. The Circle Game - Ladies of the Canyon 10. Amelia - Hejira 11. Black Crow - Hejira 12. Free Man in Paris - Court and Spark 13. A Case of You - Blue 14. Both Sides Now - Clouds Obviously missing is Woodstock. Is "Raised on Robbery on the Shadows and Light CD? I do not own this one and the discography I consulted seemed confused. I don't remember anyone doing "Big Yellow Taxi" on the show. Any other changes anyone knows of? Thanks Paul Pennington Augusta, Georgia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 00 14:09:43 -0500 From: "howard_scptv" Subject: Amazon.com sales first of all, I don't want to take anything away from JM but I have to say this it doesn't take much to become a bestseller on Amazon.com. She's probably sold a couple thousand copies--and that's good--but it isn't tens of thousands by a long shot. I know this because we are dealing with a book that jumped from No. 122,000 to No. 7 on Amazon's best sellers, after an appearance on Who Wants to be a Millionaire. After a Today show appearance, it jumped to number two. In all, the book sold a little over 2,000 copies to get to that point. Don't get me wrong. I'm happy for the 2,000 sold and I'm happy for Joni's rise on the charts. But she ain't gonna knock N'Sync out of the top spot any time soon. Howard M. Am I killjoy? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:14:06 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Fever on the Dot Coms Randy wrote: > Before we get TOO excited...these are numbers for internet > sales (Amazon only? it wasn't clear), which represent a >small percentage of total sales. Since I'm on digest I don't know if Penny answered this, but I recall her posts have indicated that all the main internet music sellers (not only Amazon) are listing Joni sales at or near the top. I admit to getting nerdy excited over the sudden increase in the multi-album Joni sales - I was an advertising and publicity manager in my former career life and this stuff still gets my blood going ;-) > I am not aware that BSN has gone gold yet (500,000 >copies), and in fact this week BSN slipped from 89 to 99 on >Billboard's top 200 albums chart. I think every unit sold counts toward the gold - Penny posted earlier that the internet sales count in some way. Can't recall how Billboard gets their numbers - from Soundscan? But I don't think they count every single sale. > That was before the tribute, but TNT is one cable channel >amongst at least a hundred...whether the advertising budget >has been paid back yet is questionable, too... Regarding advertising, I was answering Penny's question whether Reprise paid for the TNT promotions. I don't think so - TNT produced and owns the show - so therefore the TNT publicity would not come out of Joni's payback/recoup account at Reprise. > I was in Tower (Sacramento) and they had this cool BSN > display on the wall, it was 3 or 4 feet wide, looked like > it was made of wood painted black, and three dimensional, > with the cover painting on it of course. Has anyone else > seen this? Yes, I saw this last weekend at the Tower on Sunset in Hollywood! The display itself was very cool but someone camped it up terribly by including a cheesy plastic wine glass filled with red shiny confetti, some filthy coasters and an old ashtray full of REAL cigarette butts next to it! It would have been a funny gag at a Jonifest, but for a proper display at Tower, it looked gross!! Kakki NP: (on an 80s kick lately) Mike and the Mechanics - Par Avion ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:40:37 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Tribute (md) > her deep understanding of the struggle Jonis been through. Joni having to struggle is not unique. Everyone has to and her overcoming her tobacco > addiction. I didn't know she had quit. Good for her. It's a hard thing to do. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:34:38 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni promo costs Steve wrote: > I would NEVER disagree with Ms Kakki :) (so have to say >we're probably talking two different things here) but Reprise >is picking up the costs for all those orchestras showing up >for Rosie, Letterman, TNT, etc. Maybe one of the pros like >Mr Lahm can tell us what 60 or 70 musicians at scale cost >for an evening...plus the people like Klein and Isham who >are getting way over scale. Anyway, Joni doesn't get a penny >from BSN (except songwriting royalties) until Reprise has >recouped all its costs, and that ain't going to happen for awhile, IMHO. And that includes all the costs for those >advertising displays, listening stations at Borders, etc., etc. You're right, Steve. Although I still think Joni got a partial "free ride" from TNT. I was kind of doing a voodoo accounting recoup forecast in my head based on Penny's stats. But one crucial element that I did not factor in is like you said: >Major label record releases can be like Hollywood movies - >the accountants can see to it that there is never any profit to >be shared out. So true, so true..... Speaking of record company profits, if Joni's early and early middle albums are also currently selling in the internet top ten, that would mean that Reprise is now making a nice profit on some "older Joni product", too, right? ;-) Kakki NP: MIke and the Mechanics - I Get The Feeling ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:41:37 -0400 (EDT) From: picard3@webtv.net (Sherelle Smith) Subject: Joni's Tribute Hi everyone! I'm back! Was so thrilled that TNT did this for Joni! I was equally amazed that so many artists had the same sense of awe that we do about her. I was really blown away by Cindy(sp?) Lauper's version of Carrie. Larry Klein looked like he was especially into the song (but Larry looks like that with every Joni song-probably her biggest fan) I wasn't offended by Bryan Adam's voice when he and Wynonna sang "Raised on Robbery." I think liking or disliking Bryan Adams is a matter of taste. I compare him to Macy Gray who has a very distinct voice-you either love it or hate it. I loved Wynonna's version of "You turn me on-I'm a radio." Shawn Colvin and Mary Chapin Carpenter seemed a bit nervous on "Big yellow taxi", but boy did they shine on "Amelia." I have always imagined those harmonies on that song and I felt they sang it with the depth of emotion it deserves. I remember Joni closing her eyes on that song. I was really watching Joni's reactions to each performance. I see I wasn't alone. She enjoyed James Taylor's version of "River" (By the way, is she referring to him in the song "Just like this train" when she sings, "Thinking of the pleasure I'm gonna have, watching your hairline recede, my vain darling.."?) Joni also closed her eyes while listening to Dianna Krall's version of "A Case of You". Call me crazy, but I don't think she liked either version of Richard Thompson's renditions. I tried to be impartial because I'd never heard of Richard Thompson, but I felt embarrassed because to me, it didn't feel like he was singing the songs with the respect they deserve. I apologize to any of his fans, but I agree with the person who said that it felt like he just picked up the sheet music and played it cold. He is, however, an excellent gutitarist and I did enjoy his playing on Woodstock. Sweet Honey in the Rock are fantastic!!! I've only seen them on tv once, but I really like them!! You could tell Joni did too. She does this little "hula" dance in her seat every time the music touches her. I thought KD Lang did a good job on "Help Me", but I caught an earlier interview with her and she appeared nervous about doing the song. She said, "Help Me is a great song, but it's a bitch to sing!" I liked Cassandra Wilson's version of "Dry Cleaner From Des Moines" but I'm very partial to the live version that Joni sings on "Shadows and Light." Elton John did a fantastic job with "Free Man in Paris." Joni really enjoyed it. His phrasing on the song was excellent and his piano skills were a treat to hear. I also enjoyed his comment about it being easier to play for the Queen of England! I was absolutely blown away by Joni coming on stage and singing "Both Sides Now." Even though she sang one song, it was the main course of the evening. I have not bought her new CD yet, but certainly will after hearing such a beautiful rendition of the song. Her voice was marvelous and hearing her sing was like a balm to the soul. Speaking of glimpses, did anyone notice Michael Bolton in the audience? I actually like him, but my husband despises his voice, which actually reminds me a little of Bryan Adams voice. I agree that we saw a little too much of Rosie, but I enjoyed glimpses of other Joni fans like the actress lawyer they killed off in Law and Order, as well as Goldie Hawn and her son who is the spitting image of his father Kurt Russell. All in all, it was so nice to know that others in the public spotlight feel the way we do about Joni. Thank you TNT for bringing this to us! Take care everyone!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:55:14 -0400 From: Janene Otten Subject: 90's Cyndi & barefooted singers (NJC) In reference to Dax's comment about Cyndi's 90's afforts, I have to say that the CD "Hat Full of Stars" is 53 minutes of music that should be cherished. I think the song "Hat Full of Stars" (co-written by another wonderful talent, Nicky Holland) is one of my favorites. Last weekend, while dusting my house, I hit the replay button 7 times on that song. I know, that sounds insane but it's just one of those songs that I wish was half and hour long, instead of 4 and a half minutes long. Another song on that CD, "Sally's Pigeons" was co-written by Mary Chapin Carpenter. Eric Bazilian of The Hooters is also VERY present on the CD as are some other great talents. "Sisters of Avalon" demonstrated once again that Cyndi is one of the most progressive & unique talents of her time. I love her. She's a risk taker. I also noticed that Graham Nash was performing barefoot at the Madison Square Garden, Tuesday night show. Patti Smith also performs barefoot. Come to think of it, lots of musicians perform barefoot. I personally wouldn't want to but I've never been the barefoot type! (whatever THAT means) :P I am very picky about what my feet touch. Shamelessly meandering, Janene np: (now you've done it) "Broken Glass" (Hat Full of Stars) - Cyndi Lauper (1st time through) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:56:44 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Joni in People Magazine Hi, Sat down to flip through my People Magazine which has been on the table for a couple of days. Lo and behold but one of the first pictures I see is of JONI. She's on page 15 in the StarTracks section. April 24 issue with Princes William and Harry on the cover. The caption reads: "i can't describe how I feel," said Joni Mitchell (below right with Ashley Judd) at a loss for words during a tribute to the singer-songwriter in Manhattan. Also at the show, which airs April 16 on TNT were James Taylor (above) and fiancee Kim Smedvig. The photo is of Joni hugging Ashley, very cheek to cheek. (Joni is wearing a silver bracelet with some whirly designs on it (my favorite) which I hadn't noticed before). Had no idea that James was engaged. Hi fiance is sporting an engagement ring. She looks young enough to be his daughter and from the photos looks ummm, very shapely. Congratulations James. I was actually hoping they would do a little more of a spread on the tribute concert. There was an article in People about her a few weeks back but it mostly talked about her reuniting with Kilauren. Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:00:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: 90's Cyndi & barefooted singers (NJC) All this discussion of shoelessness reminds me of a quip Vince Gill made at the Country Music Awards, after Deana Carter (who plays barefoot)performed: "You know, if you never wear shoes, your feet never stink ... think about it." Don Rowe ;-) ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:05:41 -0400 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: Joni singing at her tribute Oh, I also meant to mention that I think that was the best version of the orchestrated BOTH SIDES NOW that I've heard yet! loved it dax ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:04:21 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: ticket trade Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:40:19 -0400 From: "Steven P. Braunstein" I have a pair of tickets to the 5/22 show - section 200 row Y seats 19 & 20. I would like to trade for a pair to the next night 5/23 - must be in the 200s. I am not looking to sell, only trade for equal value. Please email me at spb@cc.telcordia.com or ferretco@goes.com. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:03:00 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Covers and Contributions Project Joseph wrote: > Sharon Cuneta is a hugely popular movie and TV actress in >Manila. BSN is included in Sharon's latest "When I Love" >album and because she is as popular as the Philippine >President, I am glad that BSN will be embraced by her >legions of fans and will continue to be popular. I am glad that >Kakki likes her version of BSN. So does millions of Filipinos. Wow, thanks for the background, Joseph. I'm glad I did not know in advance that she was a huge pop icon - it may have colored my initial reaction. I'm glad you sent her to Bob (so to speak, that is ;-) And Helen - sorry I couldn't remember who it was who has been raving about Jacqui Fitzgerald, but I do recall the raves. She is really amazing - does she ever tour the U.S.? I'd love to do a music trade with you for more Jacqui. Hearing some of these covers makes me wonder if Joni knows or listens to all of them as they come out? Maybe we (Chili?) should also pass along the "Covers" boxset to her. I bet she'd like having them collected all together on CD. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:10:49 PDT From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: Amazon.com sales You're right about this in terms of sales maybe, but I think that the spot on Amazon.com is measured by viewer interest, not strictly by sales. I think that for every copy of BSN sold through Amazon, there are additional hits to the site to see the cover, read the tracklist, listen to samples, etc. The number of hits that it took to bump this record to the #1 spot is incredible in itself, aside from whatever the sales figures may reflect. This album has also gotten Joni's name out in the general air again, with more to it than the ususal griping about the industry that usually masquerades as an Joni Mitchell album campaign. The fact that this many people are interested is incredible. How many of Joni's albums in the last 15 years have generated this much public interest? Reuben >From: "howard_scptv" >Reply-To: "howard_scptv" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Amazon.com sales >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 00 14:09:43 -0500 > >first of all, I don't want to take anything away from JM but I have to say >this > >it doesn't take much to become a bestseller on Amazon.com. She's probably >sold a couple thousand copies--and that's good--but it isn't tens of >thousands >by a long shot. > >I know this because we are dealing with a book that jumped from No. 122,000 >to >No. 7 on Amazon's best sellers, after an appearance on Who Wants to be a >Millionaire. After a Today show appearance, it jumped to number two. In >all, >the book sold a little over 2,000 copies to get to that point. > >Don't get me wrong. I'm happy for the 2,000 sold and I'm happy for Joni's >rise on the charts. But she ain't gonna knock N'Sync out of the top spot >any >time soon. > >Howard M. > >Am I killjoy? > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:28:09 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Joni in People Magazine - a few pages later Hi again, I was flipping through the People Magazine a little further and there she is again...this time it's a fabulous full page ad that was also the large poster for the tribute concert...Joni in the sexy black dress holding her guitar, leaning against a black and white striped background. Definitely frameable and worth getting!! I wouldn't be surprised to see it on eBay soon. Someone recently sold a newsprint ad of the same thing for over $9.00. Go figure. Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:42:37 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: 90's Cyndi & barefooted singers (NJC) There was once a guy named James who lived in Atlanta, near Little Five Points. He ended up living in a boat parked on the side of the street with two dobermans and eight puppies but that's another story. Anyway, he never wanted to wear shoes so he'd go around town without shoes and would get kicked out of neighorhood restaurants etc...So he took a black magic marker and tried to paint flip flops on his feet, so people would think he was wearing shoes. True story... Victor http://www.mindspring.com/~waytoblu/Tangled.htm NP: Jethro Tull: J-Tull Dot Com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:36:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni in People Magazine - a few pages later Yes I saw that too, and was thinking how odd that that image is being used to promote an album where, for the first time, I'm pretty sure, Joni doesn't even touch a guitar! Don Rowe - --- WirlyPearl@aol.com wrote: > full page ad that was also the large poster > for the > tribute concert...Joni in the sexy black dress > holding her > guitar ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:42:25 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Janis Ian tour dates...(NJC) Chili wrote: >TENT TH-SUN 2-15/18 Folk Alliance, Vancouver Hey, my first chance to see her since Troubadors of Folk in '93 (with Joni and Richard Thompson). I'm really looking forward to my first trip to Vancouver...even if it IS going to be in February! ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:45:26 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Tribute In a message dated 4/18/00 8:42:02 AM US Central Standard Time, RSTM@aol.com writes: << I am new to the list. Being a long suffering male Joni Mitchell fan, I really appreciated the entire show. >> Welcome Ron, from a fellow long suffering male Joni fan with a 13-year old. Watching the tribute with my son made it that much more enjoyable for me, like I was passing a torch of sorts. When JT played "River", my Nathan said that he didn't recognize it, so I'm not playing that record enough! :~) I informed him that Mr. Taylor was just making the song his own! ;~) Bob in Ess Cee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:59:21 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni Fever on the Dot Coms Kakki wrote: >> > I think every unit sold counts toward the gold - Penny posted earlier that > the internet sales count in some way. Can't recall how Billboard gets their > numbers - from Soundscan? But I don't think they count every single sale. The Billboard chart reflects total sales including the internet. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:00:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Una vita per Joni OK, people, I'm no translator and I've probably mis-translated a few of Angela's words, but even at that, I think I've done a better job than the Alta Vista translator. I certainly hope they're not using this in diplomatic negotiations or we're all in a s***-load of trouble! - --- Bounced Message wrote: > From: "Angela Incardona" > Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:20:06 +0200 > > Ciao a tutti quanti. Mi chiamo Angela, sono italiana > e soprattutto una > fan di Joni, sin dai tempi di Blue. Hello, everyone. My name is Angela. I'm Italian and, above all, a Joni-fan since "Blue". >La sua voce, la > sua musica e le sue > poesie mi trasmisero subito sensazioni che nessun > altro mai riuscito > a darmi. Her voice,her music and poetry make me feel like no one else has ever been able to. >Ho seguito nel tempo i suoi cambiamenti e > sempre ne sono > rimasta affascinata. Over time, I've followed her and I've remained fascinated. >Amo molto THOSL ed Hejira. I very much love HOSL and Hejira. >Ogni > suo album ha > segnato la mia vita e ha sottolineato i miei momenti > di felicit e di > tristezza. > Ciao > Each of her albums has been a part of my life and has underlined for me all my moments of happiness and sadness. [Note from Catherine, Ciao, Angela - benvenuta a la jmdl} ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:04:14 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni Tribute From: "Ramcey tCH" Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:55:53 -0400 I thought the Joni tribute was amazing, like most of you. Unreal to see her getting all this attention after so many years and she seemed a little uncomfortable with it. Highlights for me was the incredible performance by Diana Krall, Sweet Honey in the Rock and Richard Thompson. I'm definitely in the minority (as usual) when it comes to Richard's version of Black Crow. I found it spell binding and unbelievably good. I honestly think that Joni prefers the artists to make the song their own, and he certainly did. And when she closed her eyes and lost herself in Diana's interpretation, it wasn't because she didn't like it! I think she was blown away. A great overall show and TNT should be commended. Ramcey tCH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:16:25 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: NEW AND IMPROVED FOR ALL YOU Alternate tuning nuts!! In case you haven't already heard, the spanking new web home of the Joni Mitchell Discussion List also includes a state-of-the-art search and enjoy database of all the Joni guitar tabs you could ever want in any way you want them. here's a look inside a Joniphile's mind: Gee, I've just been watching for the 15th time since Sunday the All-Star Tribute to My Own Personal Goddess, and I just flipped when I saw Wynonna playing You Turn Me on I'm A Radio. I wish I could play that song. I think I'll go to the Joni Mitchell Guitar Tabs page and see what Sue, Marian, Howard and Mark have been doing lately. WHOA! There's the tab, and it's in my favorite tuning open D. Gee, I wonder if I can list all the songs that are in that tuning so I can do my open mike set tonight? WHOA! There are fifteen songs in that tuning! I can play all night or until they start throwing stuff at me!! Gee, I wonder if I can simply retune my guitar to songs in a family of tunings (just like Joni did before VG-8). Let's check out the GENERIC tuning function. WHOA, I'm in heaven. Also there are many other Great Features on the new site, including lists of newly updated tabs, Howard's HOW TO's on tablature and Joni's notation style, and Marian's fabulous tuning patterns list. Also, Mark is working up a Joni Mitchell guitar FAQ that will try and answer any question you may have about her vastly inventive and peerless guitar style. In the "Coming Soon" category, Michael Paz is helping me with a VG-8 page that will be unveiled in the near future. I personally would like to thank over and over and over again the tireless work of my compatriots--Marian Russell, Howard Wright and Mark Domyancich, who more than any other beings I've ever met, love Joni's music and are sticklers for getting these files in their most perfect state (which is defined as "HOW JONI PLAYS IT.") Without their help, I don't know how this database would have been born. Also, thanks so much to Les, our masterly webmaster, for the wonderful opportunity to house these tabs in the place where they need to be, and for teaching us how to use the database software. It rocks!!! We would all love to hear your feedback, so please email us at guitarists@jmdl.com or me at sem8@cornell.edu. ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:52:45 +0100 From: "Matthew Hall" Subject: Re: k.d. and respect for Joni I can't believe that this topic is getting so much attention, however, I will now proceed to add to it: I think that kd lang showed enough respect for Joni simply by turning up to sing one of her songs. I don't believe for one second that she would dress like that just to get noticed; she has a voice that will do that for her. With regards to image and talent, I don't think that the two go hand in hand; they are separate entities, and whilst image (and money) is what makes the wheel of publicity go round (and round), there still has to be some sort of axis at the centre of it otherwise it will just spin into nothing. So I think you are doing Madonna a great injustice to presume that her success over 17 years is based wholely on her hairstyles and fashion sense. It is also rather insulting to me as a fan to suggest that her music is simply a by-product of her fame; over the years I believe that Madonna has been just as daring as Joni in the musical choices she has made. There are plenty of people in this world with interesting fashion sense and strong opinions (I daresay many of them belong to this list) but the reason Madonna gets noticed is because of her enduring popularity as a singer/songwriter/producer/performer. Just listen. Matthew (now thinking of a suitable Mick Jagger quote to convince everybody that my opinion has substance). NP: Tidal - Fiona Apple - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 6:08 PM Subject: k.d. and respect for Joni > > In many cultures, a sign of respect is the removal of your shoes before > entering a home, a temple, before walking on sacred ground. Ms. Lang's lack > of shoes before Joni could be considered an act of reverence and submission. > > More realistically, I think k.d. did it to get noticed. I thought what she > was wearing was very manly and she reminds me of all my straight male friends > whose unironed clothes she could have been wearing that night. That's par t > of k.d.'s act, to be an out lesbian and butch it up. It really works for > her, gets people to notice her, and it's marketing as much as it's an > exaggerated expression of who she really is. She's an amazing talent, but > that isn't enough. Someone like Madonna, who has a minimum of talent ("a > thimbleful of talent in a sea of ambition" - Mick Jagger) succeeds only > because she always gets people to talk about what she's wearing, what she did > to her hair. If you ask me, what k.d. wore and didn't wear was an extension > of her persona. She works her masculinity the way Cyndi Lauper works her > own fun, goofy idiosyncrasies. > > I think k.d.'s singing was pristine and heartfelt and she only honored Joni. > I don't know that Joni ever sang in bare feet, but we've seen plenty of > pictures of her without shoes, especially in the hippie days. And Joni is > awfully fond of sandals that exhibit her feet with their red painted toe > nails as recently as two years ago. > I noticed a general lack of glitz in the outfits of all the musicians which > is fine with me. That places the emphasis on the music, not on image, and > the focus remained on Ms. Mitchell. > > - Clark > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:26:29 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Joni fever on the dot coms <> Although I was having a blast watching other sites too, I was posting what was happening on Amazon, largely because they update hourly. It was like watching a really good day on the market!! ;-D Here's the most current stats I've found: From Amazon, which Billboard lists as the leading online music store. And this site's weekly bestseller lists are based on shipments. (Their latest weekly chart listed (4/8/00) has BSN at number 6) Their latest hourly top sellers list Joni's as follows: 1.....BSN (it's remained there since Sunday afternoon) 21....Blue 27....C&S 36....Hejira 40....Hits 57.....LOTC 79.....FTR These sites update daily and this is what they show currently: Barnes and Noble......BSN....#4 CDnow........BSN.....#13 And Tower also updates daily and they base their rankings on chainwide sales: BSN....8 Blue.....172 Hits.......223 C&S......225 LOTC....315 Hejira....426 Clouds...427 MOA.....499 HOSL...541 FTR......676 STAS....901 TI..........903 (all of these place higher on their chart then when Patricia O'Connor posted them yesterday) <> Me too!! ;-) That's why I posted last week if anyone knew of a source where we could get actual numbers, instead of just charts. I didn't see a reply to my question. Does anybody know? I can only find real numbers on a hit and miss basis. Randy Remote, do you know? Regardless of how huge or small the sales have been, in my minds eye, just the fact that there has been a dramatic increase of movement in Joni's albums, gives me a lot of encouragement about her not being so dismissed, sales wise, in the general public. ;-) Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:47:49 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: The JMDL site Hello all While not being able to talk about the Tribute Concert LIVING IN ENGLAND!!!! I was wandering into the JMDL site. I was there yesterday and nothing had changed but today!!!! It looks great! I even posted to Mark regarding a couple of things! And THANKYOU Les for making me not my Dad, the member of the JMDL! (a little bit of humour passed betw us, as when I was first on the list, I used my Dad's email, since he never used it, so it stuck for two years on the site that Hassan Zubairi was the member not Jamie... oh little things please little minds... I'll be even gladder when the Gallery is up and running. The guitar site is astounding indeedly-do. Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:46:17 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: On the Material Girl (NJC) Have to disagree with Matthew. I think Madonna is a smart cookie, an interesting person, but she's not an especially good singer, just an okay song writer, not even all that charismatic. We've had enough movies from her now to know she can't act. Her genius is in marketing. Her only real talent is for hooking up with producers who are talented, for picking songs, for choosing the right guys to direct her videos and dress her. That's what keeps us glued to her -- at her center she's got nothing much to express except as she once said, "I just had to be a star". And I respect her very much for being so frank about that and working even harder to achieve her goal. I liked RAY OF LIGHT very much, but Madonna's lackluster singing drags the whole thing down. 90 percent of the credit for her most interesting album ever goes to William Orbit. I think one thing people like about Madonna is that she is so average, so mediocre, so very much like anyone else. And if Madonna can make it, so can the rest of us. She recently said she was embarrassed by all her earlier work, but I think she picked some good tunes, did the best she could, and didn't get in the way of the real musicians who make her pop songs so viable. - - Clark NP: Swing Out Sister, Its Better to Travel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:49:32 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: Joni Fever on the Dot Coms Gold, platinum, etc. awards are bestowed by the Recording Industry Association of America and are based on albums shipped, not albums sold. It is up to the record company to submit an album for the award and pay a fee once it qualifies. Billboard sales rankings are based on Soundscan figures of albums actually sold. I am about 80% sure that internet album sales are also included in these figures. In the larger context of things, Internet album sales are still tiny, but are sure to become more significant over the next few years. Generally speaking, however, the inclusion or exclusion of those sales would make little difference in the weekly Billboard ranking. Of course, for artists like Joni who probably aren't selling over 20K albums a week but whose fanbase is more wired than avg, it may make a slight difference. But not more than 10 spots. Record club sales do not count toward Billboard rankings. The mechanism of keeping track is just too slow. Furthermore, these albums have always been out for some time before they reach the clubs, so they are generally no longer hot sellers in the stores. (Shania Twain et al excepted). So again, these totals would make not a lot of difference in Billboard rankings. BUT these totals are reflected somehow in record certifications of gold, etc. Since the clubs generally manufacture the CDs, etc., themselves, I am not sure if they report a # manufactured or a # sold to qualify for gold status. But they do play a role in there somewhere. RE: TV specials. I do not know how TNT operates, but it is probably somewhat similar to MTV, where standard operating procedure is that the record label pays production costs for the special, MTV promotes it, and MTV retains copyright ownership after it's done. The production costs incurred by the record company are then recoupable from artist royalties. All of this is, of course, subject to negotiation, and in-demand artists and their labels may be able to extract more from the network. My guess is that Reprise paid for the production of the special, TNT paid for promotion, TNT now owns the show, and Joni owes Reprise for the production costs but benefits from the free TNT promotion that is also in effect promotion of her album. All of this I learned in dribs and drabs as an ardent music fan, so while it is mostly accurate, don't quote me on it! :-) - --Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:53:34 -0500 (CDT) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: dancing barefoot (NJC) Eric Benet AKA the assumed future Mr. Halle Berry (but really not because he will leave her for a life of lust with yours truly please please please) also performs barefoot. Incidentally, his album from last year is quite good in parts and includes a funky, very late-'90s R&B cover of "Dust in the Wind." The album is entitled _A Day in the Life_ - --Michael - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ooh baby baby, mad sex And when we're through I really have no problem Acting like I don't know you." - --Me'Shell NdegeOcello, "If That's Your Boyfriend (He Wasn't Last Night)" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:06:16 +1000 From: john low Subject: RE: down under tv question...NJC Evian, Hell is absolutely correct in her assessment of "Paradise Beach". I think, even in Australia, it went almost immediately to a late night slot and was then disposed of overseas (though I have a feeling I've seen it listed in our tv program fairly recently in an even later time slot). I only remember seeing one episode - and that was enough for me!! "Water Rats" though, as Hell says, is a different case altogether. Set around the activities of the Sydney water police - the main star of the show being Sydney Harbour itself - the stories have been getting better over time (with a tougher edge to them) and especially since Steve Bisley joined the cast. Some of you may remember him in the first of the "Mad Max" films. John (in Sydney). __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:08:39 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: k.d. and respect for Joni Matthew Hall wrote: > I think that kd lang showed enough respect for Joni simply by turning up to > sing one of her songs. We should also note that K.D. showed up for PWWAM and the LACE opening. I didn't care for what K.D. wore for the tribute, it was just....well...sloppy, and certainly wouldn't be my choice. She looked much nicer at the other 2 events On the other hand, it didn't bother me either. In my mind, Artists are suppossed to be unique and creative in the way they dress. Joni certainly is, although I prefer her taste to K.D.'s. But then I prefer her music too. Phyliss, who is reminded of being shopping for clothes shortly after she decided to put the business world on the back burner and become an artist. A friend told her to buy something not the norm for her. "You're an artist now" she said, "you should dress more artsy". : - ) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #200 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?