From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #197 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 18 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 197 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Travelling fan ["Alison Einerson" ] Re: opinions about the tribute ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Tribute rebroadcast dates/times [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: howard_scptv@interaccess.com "Hated it!" [PPeterson4@aol.com] Re: High Fidelity (SJC) now NJC ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Mark In Seattle ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Tribute review from the "older generation" ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #194 [Drewdix@aol.com] Re: High Fidelity (SJC) now NJC ["Russ Harlan" ] Hi I'm New ["C.A. Starkey" ] Joni mention (both praise and dis!) in Slate magazine [Gellerray@aol.com] Re: TNT tribute Now very NJC ["Alan Lorimer" ] re: your post today ...NJC... [pat holden ] plea for urgent help JC JC JC JC JC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Eccentric/tribute [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: tribute reaction (VLJC) [TanyerSCO@aol.com] Re: Trbute glimpses and JMDL sign ["Kakki" ] Re: What is everyone's favorite JM album? [TanyerSCO@aol.com] Re: tribute reaction [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: k.d. comfortable ["Kakki" ] RE: k.d. comfortable njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] a second view on The Tribute (VLJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: a second view on The Tribute (VLJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: a second view on The Tribute (VLJC) [IVPAUL42@aol.com] appropriate dress (NJC) [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Joni fever on the dot coms ["Kakki" ] Re: k.d. comfortable [MDESTE1@aol.com] Una vita per Joni [Bounced Message ] got a question [Bounced Message ] Tribute reviews ... NJC [john low ] tickets available for 5/22 nyc show [Bounced Message ] tribute [Bounced Message ] The World Needs Joni [Bounced Message ] Re: k.d. comfortable [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: appropriate dress (NJC) [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Thanks [Liz Kemp ] Re: TNT tribute Now very NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: tribute reaction (VLJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: k.d. comfortable njc ["Helen M. Adcock" ] BSN Contest ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Tribute reviews ... NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Tribute [dsk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:04:58 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Travelling fan i will also be in nyc for the show, and tanya and i have talked about putting a meeting plan together. what we really need is an east coast Kakki to rally the troops! i am sure that we can come up with something. looking forward to putting some emoticons to real faces... alison e. - ---------- >From: "Paul Headon" >Hi > >I am travelling from Wales (United Kingdom) to see the Joni concert in New >York on 22 May. Joni might not Travel to Europe and I am taking NO >chances:-). > > I would Reeeeally like to meet other JMDLers while I am in New York >especially before and/or after the concert. Hope to see you all there! > >Cheers > >Paul Headon > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:59:01 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: opinions about the tribute Afraid to say that NONE of the songs on Hejira are in open tuning... Having played most of them, I can safely say that. Ask Marian or Michael. I think what she meant by 'on the road' was 'on the road' in a performing sense not 'on the road' in the Kerouac sense - which is how Hejira was inspired, not written. Only perhaps Blue Motel Room, but even then it's only the lead that's standard, and that's played by Larry Carlton. The electric rhythm is played by Joni and that's in something completely different, Mark Domyancich will tell you. Strange Boy, open D, Hejira in the same tuning as NRH (but different key), Amelia, open C, Coyote in Just Like This Train tuning. These are only the ones I can think of. Sorry to make a point, but Joni has only ever written two/three songs in standard (Urge For Going, Harlem In Havana and maybe Tin Angel, but I couldn't be sure.) Jamie Zoob being an anal Joni freak again Also the Spaniards created the modern guitar tuning as we know it today, after it was introduced to them by the Arabians who got it from the Grecians, hence Furry Lewis saying "I kin play in Spanish tonin'! " when JM met him at his place after she said to him, 'I play in open tunings too!' thinking they will have something to talk about... > Hejira was the only album done in standard tunning. I heard > Joni talk about that in an interview saying that it was a pain to keep > tunning the guitar when she was on the road writing that album so she kept it > in standard. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:19:49 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Tribute rebroadcast dates/times In a message dated 04/17/2000 6:40:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, scam1@freeway.net writes: << For those who either missed watching or forgot to tape, the rebroadcast dates and times are: 04/19/00 - 08:00 pm ET - TNT, 04/19/00 - 10:00 pm ET -TNT and 04/20/00 - 12:30 am ET - TNT >> I hope you're right Sue, but according to my guide and the TNT website, the only rebroadcast is : Wednesday, April 19 at 12:30 AM (ET/PT) Maybe it's not the same in different areas. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:35:05 EDT From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Re: howard_scptv@interaccess.com "Hated it!" >>Hated: James T should have thrown that version in a River<< I had to laugh out loud at your comment. It was like there was nothing left of the original song, just James Taylorish chords and melodies. But wasn't the tribute in itself amazing? I cried during Case of You and again when JM sang that song. You're right - she brings a whole life along with it (and at fifty I'm experiencing those backward glances) and those mournful shimmering strings set it of in this new way that completely overshadows the tinkly arrangements of the past. Thanks for the laugh. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:18:23 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: High Fidelity (SJC) now NJC Is this a film version of the Nick Hornby novel about the record store owner? Does the film set it in Chicago? Am I getting this right? Why do filmmakers insist on doing that? Changing things round so they're American? (The Beach, Crash to name two - I would mention Anna and the King but Jodie is playing English) do people think Americans won't like it if it isn't set in America, or not starring an American? Do filmmakers think Americans are so xenophobic that they must do that? Please! Jamie Zubairi > First of all, go see High Fidelity. Really good movie, smart, funny, very > well-written, well-directed. John Cusack is great and so is Chicago. So much > Chicago in it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:02:56 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Mark In Seattle > I guess Mark's "out" of the geographical closet so to speak. Tell me Mark, > why did you decide to "out" yourself on a Sunday? Your secret's out. I didn't out myself. It was Travis, the dirty rat! Mark in The Twilight Zone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:04:16 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Tribute review from the "older generation" > > > > Anyway, on the first couple of pages are the "society" photos from Hollywood > > etc. with a photo of kd lang at the TNT Tribute with the following caption: > > > > "Call the fashion police! Normally super-cool singer kd lang turned up to a > > New York tribute concert for JONI MITCHELL wearing ROSEANNE BARR's clothes". > > Roseanne never looked THAT bad. > > Jerry > What I want to know is when has anybody ever seen k d dressed up? Mark in The Land of Make Believe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:07:35 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: opinions about the tribute Right, Larry Carlton is playing the acoustic (in standard) and Joni is playing the electric (in CGDFAD). Even though I tabbed it out with Howard, I still can't play it! So no one request it come Labor Day, OK? :D Strange Boy is actually DACGAD, Hejira is similar to NRH, only a half step lower and the 3rd string is up half a tone. Sorry to be so anal as well, Jamie, but this is the stuff I think about all the time! (When I'm supposed to be thinking about US History... barf) NPIMH-Grateful Dead, Help On The Way At 12:59 AM +0100 4/18/00, Jamie Zubairi wrote: >Only perhaps Blue Motel Room, but even then it's only the lead that's >standard, and that's played by Larry Carlton. The electric rhythm is played >by Joni and that's in something completely different, Mark Domyancich will >tell you. Strange Boy, open D, Hejira in the same tuning as NRH (but >different key), Amelia, open C, Coyote in Just Like This Train tuning. These >are only the ones I can think of. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:11:17 EDT From: Drewdix@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #194 Hello all, been away too long. Met some of you at the "Triple Crown" before the MSG show last year... Love everyon'es comments- But sorry, Cassandra missed the mark completely with her one-note Dry Cleaner. She didn't look comfortable at all. Diana Kroll, KD Lang and Cyndi Lauper. Wow. I'll be at the MSG theater 5/22- but could not get better than mediocre seats, even with dialing as soon as the box office opened. Any help with a trade-up? Love to be close- saw Woodstock back on the hill, and MSG too far away...Help! Great time to be a Joni jmdler (no lurker, I!) Misses this list. Missed Wally's passing. Please tell me when. We owe him much. Thanks Chilihead, for the idea...you'll be hearing from me. Any NYC pre-show gathering? sorry to be playing catch-up. - --Drew Dix ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:13:19 -0400 From: "Russ Harlan" Subject: Re: High Fidelity (SJC) now NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jamie Zubairi To: howard_scptv ; Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 8:18 PM Subject: Re: High Fidelity (SJC) now NJC > Is this a film version of the Nick Hornby novel about the record store > owner? It is one and the same. I doubt this had much to do with xenophobia. John Cusack loved the novel, wanted to devlop it as a personal project, and he happens to be American. He knows and loves Chicago, and he and his co-screenwriters translated the book (fairly faithfully) to Chi-town. Would you prefer that he affect a British accent and maintain the original setting? He did hire (British) Stephen Frears to direct. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:21:29 -0400 From: "C.A. Starkey" Subject: Hi I'm New My name is Carol. I'm going to be 30 in May, and thanks to TNT I rediscovered Joni Mitchell, I dug out "Blue" that was on the bottom of my CD pile, and I cannot believe, I hadn't played this disc in years. (I've been listening to some JM music on my computer, but it's nice to put a tangible disc in the player.) I think "Carey" is my new fave Joni Mitchell song, but my absolute favourite is "The Circle Game". (I just gave a quick listen to "Carey", "The River", (which I had played from time to time whenever the mood struck me), and "A Case Of You" *********** I'm sure everyone has discussed the TNT special already, so I'll just say--I was flipping the channels and when I saw Wynonna and who was it Bryan Adams? Doing some rock-ish broadway sounding show tune number, I'm like that's not how Joni Mitchell is supposed to sound, and I came back in time to see Cyndi Lauper do a wonderful "Carey". I think "Woodstock" works better with a female voice, but I felt Richard Thompson did a better job on "Black Crow". What song did k.d. lang sing? I can't remember, I thought she did a good job, though. My wish was to hear "The Circle Game" in proper acoustic guitar, I kind of got my wish at the end with the singalong (It got cut off though as soon as the credits finished rolling.) ********* I like all different kinds of music, and I run two mailing lists that is almost the opposite in Joni Mitchell's music, but I love different styles and lifestories. ******* I am a huge Anglophile, so if any British blokes on the list want to say hi, feel free to email me. ************** I hope this isn't too long, and that I didn't bore anyone too much. I am going to get ready to watch the Bravo documentary on John Lennon (if anyone else loves the political/talk show J&Y era feel free to email me) *********** We are golden, Carol ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:24:26 EDT From: Gellerray@aol.com Subject: Joni mention (both praise and dis!) in Slate magazine I took my friend Charlie Kaiser to the Joni Tribute the other night, and, being the writer and gem he is he found a way to work it into a column he writes for Slate magazine called "The Breakfast Club." But be warned: he co-writes this thing with another and that guy has some unflattering things to say about Joni. It seems that there will always be those out there who mistake her directness and honesty at a time of great vulnerability for, well, self pity. Ah well, let him--them. It's like that woman said to Joni when she played Court and Spark for Dylan and Co. and Dylan pretended to fall asleep and everyone else just kinda went "huh." Remember that story? She said, "Those boys don't have any ears." Neither, it appears, does this fellow. (Although he does praise Laura Nyro to the skies). To read it their mostly political banter (Charlie works in Hillary of course) go to: http://slate.msn.com/code/breakfast/breakfast.asp?Show=4/17/00&idMessage=5127& idBio=162 p.s. This is the first time I've ever directed anyone to another site by copying in the address--I hope I did it right. If I didn't, then just go to Slate magazine and click on The Breakfast Club--that's what I did. rg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:29:48 +1000 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: TNT tribute Now very NJC Colin asked on-list: >Okay, all of us not in the USA, what shall we talk about? :( How about a NZ resident called "Homer" ;-) Here's some clues, see anyone outside Australia and New Zealand can guess who he is: Letterman, Oprah, and Rosies wouldn't be able to interview him, He likes Ford Cortinas, His party trick is throwing Restaurant diners into darkness More clues to follow if required ;-) ps: Don't ask Hell, she doesn't know!!! Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:05:28 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: re: your post today ...NJC... Dear Coyote...... Prolific and moving, gave me lots to think about. Ive only recently joined the list and I do love it. Ive been on others and this one is definitely different. For me, there is something special here and Im not even sure I can begin to articulate what it is . I know its not just "one" thing and some days, its not even the same thing that makes me go to the computer first thing after I come home from work, just to see whats new and what todays talk is. It feels like touching base with many old friends. How is this possible? I look for Hell's and Colin's smashing humour, for all those gifted musicians out there who I am so green with envy over...good god how I would love to be able to pick up a guitar and just play Joni tunes to my hearts content. The closest I came was singing duets with someone who loves Joni "almost" as much as me, and the song was Case of You...perhaps thats why I blatt so much when I hear it. ah, but I digress..... Once upon a time, I never thought in a million years that I would ever want to use a computer, let alone seek out kindred spirits online. I never would have believed I could be so moved , so touched, so inspired by "total strangers". And how is it that someone I barely know has offered to tape the Tribute for me?? I find it all amazing. A gift. And Coyote, I too, look for Anne's posts with a watchful heart and even more candles . For me, thats what life is all about. The reaching. The touching. The list is filled with intelligent talk, fun, laughter, talent, joy, love, life..music, Joni... and not necessarily in that order , just to name a few. Im still bleary brained from work and hope I am somehow making sense. I thank you for your thoughtful and thought provoking post. I love to think and think it has made me do. I do have a long history of connection with much of Joni's music, as Ive alluded to now and again. Ive had major life stuff happen that her music is definitely a part of. As you said....could be a sound track to my life here and there. As someone recently said to me, perhaps our lives could be measured by Joni albums. (tks R.) I know that I can always find solace within Joni's words, wisdom, sounds. Soulful, heart touching, and as she said herself on the Rosie show, her songs exude a full range of emotions. Just so life like. I cannot land on a singular "why" Im here ... just glad I am and glad you asked. Absolutely loved your post. I love that people on this list care so much for one another and are so willing to reach out with shared everything. take care and thank you again for baring the soul. Hopefully it is evident why I also posted this as NJC...i agree with what was said before on that whole subject. respectfully, mags - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:25:40 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: plea for urgent help JC JC JC JC JC back from my mini ski trip [which involved numerous encounters with levitating mountain-dwelling wizards and a lot of frolicking in the snow, though no skiing at all -- but that's story for another post]. i was surprised to read that joni is now -- after more than 35 years of experimentation in other genres -- a folk singer again. this list is full of surprises. as to the subject line, a person from argentina that was once referred to me by les has written to ask about the dates joni will be performing either in NYC or in San Francisco. can anyone lend a hand? i have the original post that contained this information, but it is probably buried under 3,000 other posts [like colin, i save everything now. you never know when you'll have to sue.] sisters and brothers be sober, sisters and brothers be vigilant! will you write soon, PLEASE? wallyk, np cocteau twins, rilkean heart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:26:14 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: opinions about the tribute In a message dated 4/17/2000 3:53:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, marian@jmdl.com writes: << You are right, Catgirl. The Hejira songs are definitely recorded in alternate tunings and that is how Joni plays them. I know you know this, but for anyone who doesn't know, there are some very good transcriptions available in the JMDL Joni Mitchell Guitar Files: >> Thanks Darling and if it wasn't for you I would still be struggling with standard tuning and probably wouldn't have picked up my guitar again...All Hail Marian!!! Big HUGS!!! Catgirl proud owner of a taylor guitar.....all because of learning to play Joni in the correct tunigs...Marian, YOU RULE!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:27:59 EDT From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Re: tribute reaction I'd have to agree with Pat. I enjoyed every bit of the tribute. I even liked >Hilary's speech......(regardless of what some people may think of her) I >thought it was touching that she shared the story of Bill and her walking >through the Chelsea district singing Joni's song. i also agree with jimmy and pat... i like hillary. i just wish she wouldn't have sounded so rehearsed, or "canned" as catgirl, i think, put it. i remember reading this story way back when clinton first ran for president. i liked him much more after i heard it. Hey Alison! I like Hillary too and am glad to hear someone I support is a Joni fan --- BUT . . . we all know that she was talking about Chelsea in London and Joni actually was writing about Chelsea here in good ole' NYC. She said it in that recording in '68 in Cambridge, MA "This song is about the Chelsea district of New York, which used to be a nice place to live until Andy Warhol made a movie about Chelsea girls and gave us all a bad name." Wrong Chelsea Hillary, but I like ya anyway. Shouldn't one of her political advisors have told her that the jimdle's might be listening and would know to which Chelsea she was referring? Probably no one else noticed, except for the joni fan sitting in front of me. We made that connection right away. A little anal and holier than Hillary when it comes to Joni, : ) Tanya ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:27:59 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Stop posting! (NJC) Catherine wrote: > Kakki, you are obviously a much kinder person than I > am. Naw, naw, I was being tongue-in-cheek. (I wish there was an emoticon for this ;-) > 3) People who post "get off the list" posts may: > a) have a wicked sense of humour that I just don't get > b) just be ignorant and in need of more information > and therefore I must err on the side of forgiveness, > rather than being my usual bitchy self. Nope - I think anyone who tells someone to "stop posting" is always wrong. Although maybe some consideration has to be given for the fact that a new person may be coming from a strictly content-only list experience and may be uninitiated to the experience of an unmoderated and JC/NJC dual option list. But the fact that several people were sent these emails makes me wonder about the motives of the sender. Too bad the sender did not read the introductory message that spells it all out when one becomes a listmember. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:36:49 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Eccentric/tribute In a message dated 4/17/2000 11:58:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, steve@psitech.com writes: << Best of show last night? Richard Thompson, Cyndi Lauper, Diane Krall and JT. Wow, wow, wow. Was that Kilauren sitting a couple of people to Joni's left? >> I thought the same thing until she sat down and sang *A Case of you* I do beleave that beauty was Daine Krall. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:41:01 EDT From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Re: tribute reaction (VLJC) >>>>I think it is called R_E_S_P_E_C_T. You know it seems like a little thing or something one can be called "picky" about if they mention it but KD Lang IMHO totally blew it. Shes entitled to wear whatever she wants at HER tribute, but out of respect for Joni she should have dressed up. Those who give no respect to others have no right to demand same. I think this is symptomatic of todays "values". Example. What if right in the middle of the slobs song someone decided to just walk up on stage and read their latest poetry. No respect right ? Well by the slobs values that should be perfectly all right because no one has to give respect to anyone else. We just do what WE think is cool and everyone else has to live happily with it. Lets not quibble over degrees because then we are talking about the same thing. Let the flames begin<<<< kd lang paid homage to Joni by singing one of the most heartfelt, sexual, beautiful, versions of "Help Me" I've ever heard with ease. She bowed to Joni and put her hands to her heart after she finished, thanking her for the blessing of the song. I was there and I saw it. It was very humble and I thought pretty damn respectful. What a person wears, what a singer wears, has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not she respects the artist for whose tribute she is performing. Absolutely nothing. She quite possibly will turn lots of people onto Joni's music as a result of her terrific performance. If that's disrespect, then she can disrespect my music any time she likes. All that crap about what people wear or how pretty they are or how fat they are is what is keeping the good stuff from getting through. IMHO - totally superficial. It just doesn't matter. Tanya ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:40:46 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Trbute glimpses and JMDL sign Sue (not James) Cameron wrote ;-) > Now that we have shared our reviews of the show, lets talk >about who was there! The couple in the box with their child >behind Joni... who were they? I was wondering the same thing. >Donald we know, but where was Kilauren? Someone said they thought they saw her.. Someone (pat?) asked if that was Donald getting choked up and teary and yes it was. I did not notice Kilauren at all and I think they would have shown her if she was there. Diana Krall was sitting with Joni for a bit and I can see a slight resemblance to Kilauren. > Listers who were present, can you tell us again where you were sitting and > if you glimpsed yourselves at all? I'd like to hear about this, too. I hope you all spotted yourselves. > Nice credit at the end to Jim Johansen. Did anyone else notice? I kicked myself for missing the credits twice! Bravo to Jim! > One more note about the JMDL sign...I am ready to ship it out west if there > are any takers... I love your idea Sue but I don't know how we can do this logistically unless someone going to the L.A. show is also attending the show in Concord in Northern California. The L.A. show is on a Friday night and the Concord is the very next night, I believe. There would be no way to Fed-Ex it in time. The only way is if someone personally hand-carries it with them. If we can't swing it on the west coast, I hope we can at least cover most of the other shows. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:53:52 EDT From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Re: What is everyone's favorite JM album? >>>It's hard to say your favorite album and forgetting the other ones, but I'm still sticking with Hejira. FTR is gaining on it fast...<<< NP-Furry Sings The Blues At 7:17 PM -0400 4/17/00, Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > I think mine is "For the Roses".Followed by "Blue" and "Hissing of Summer >Lawns." As long as we're voting . . . Oh God! How does one decide???????? I would say Court & Spark, (It's really hard to talk sense to you trouble child) FTR (you gotta shake your fists at lightening now you gotta roar like forest fire!) and lately Clouds! Blue was my first Joni album (and still be on my feet) and made me fall in love with her music. I'm still working on her stuff post-Hejira. It's funny, when I first heard FTR, I thought it was kinda wierd. Then I thought Court & Spark was kinda wierd. THen HSOL. Then Hejira. Now I love them all. I guess it;s just a matter of time, but as pat says, and I quote, "Joni probably planned it that way!" I think there are songs on each album that touch people in different ways. When I look at the songs people pick as their favorites, I can't figure some of them out because others are so powerful to me. I think later in my life, some of Joni's later stuff will speak to me, ya know? To each her own. Love them all! Tanya ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:00:48 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: tribute reaction In a message dated 04/17/2000 10:31:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TanyerSCO@aol.com writes: << I like Hillary too and am glad to hear someone I support is a Joni fan --- BUT . . . we all know that she was talking about Chelsea in London and Joni actually was writing about Chelsea here in good ole' NYC. >> Most of us know that Joni's talking about the Chelsea in NYC in her song, but Chelsea can be in London or here in Ft. Myers Florida. There's plenty of times on a beautiful morning where I wake up in a Great mood and start singing ........."woke up it was a Chelsea Morning........" It's a state of mind! I think Hillary and Bill *were* in that state of mind! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:59:21 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: k.d. comfortable Mark from the beautiful shore near Seattle wrote: > What I want to know is when has anybody ever seen k d >dressed up? Actually yes! She was more dressed up when I saw her in perform at her own concert - wearing a variety of very luxe silk trouser outfits. She was not dressy but very stylish at the little LACE exhibit last December, too. I recall a smart-looking black and white sort of Mandarin outfit there. Ultimately, she can wear whatever she wants wherever and maybe she did just want to be really comfortable and wear lightweight, loose clothing under the hot lights while performing a challenging song and feeling a little nervous. As far as respect, if anything, I see it as a matter of self-respect. There's nothing wrong with looking your best on a big night. It doesn't make one "phony" at all. But it was her choice and she is entitled to it. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:15:07 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: k.d. comfortable njc i am SO curious now. what the hell [sorry helen] was kd wearing or not wearing? wallyk in the tribute-less part of the world ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:19:23 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: a second view on The Tribute (VLJC) Ok, I watched the video of the Tribute again this evening. I still can't see any flaws in the performances, but I'll be watching it again. The only "flaw" would be the commercials.......it made me feel like they were targeting an older audience........(Oh I guess I am). Besides the many many investment commercials, I had the pleasure of watching "Acuvue Bifocal Lenses, Doctor Sholl's inserts, ROC anti wrinkling cream, Buspar for anxiety, and Vioxx for arthritis. Plus there was a butt load of local commercials for the elderly. On a funny note, my partner (Ed) didn't realize that Cyndi Lauper had red dye streaks in her hair and thought she got hit in the head with a baseball bat and was bleeding :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:26:12 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: a second view on The Tribute (VLJC) In a message dated 4/17/00 11:21:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << Besides the many many investment commercials, I had the pleasure of watching "Acuvue Bifocal Lenses, Doctor Sholl's inserts, ROC anti wrinkling cream, Buspar for anxiety, and Vioxx for arthritis. Plus there was a butt load of local commercials for the elderly. >> Well,?!?!? I'm 45 and was probably on the low end of the avrage age of those there AND those watching. I mentioned the show at our editors meeting this afternoon, and the younger black woman on my staff said of Joni Mitchell, "Who?" though the other editors, who are closer to my age or older, either knew of her or my affinity for her. My young girlfriend likes Joni, though probably this newest album less so. But most younger people I mention her to give me a blank stare. Paul I On a funny note, my partner (Ed) didn't realize that Cyndi Lauper had red dye streaks in her hair and thought she got hit in the head with a baseball bat and was bleeding :~) Jimmy >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:26:57 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: a second view on The Tribute (VLJC) In a message dated 4/17/00 11:21:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << On a funny note, my partner (Ed) didn't realize that Cyndi Lauper had red dye streaks in her hair and thought she got hit in the head with a baseball bat and was bleeding :~) Jimmy >> I did not notice the camera catch Tonya Harding in the crowd. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:28:34 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: appropriate dress (NJC) While we are on the topic of K.D. Lang's attire... I've been to a couple weddings in the past month. Is it just the hic town where I live or is it common for people to wear jeans or other very casual attire to afternoon weddings? The ceremonies were both outside but the receptions were indoors. At both these affairs the brides wore gowns, bridesmaids had those tacky requisite bridesmaid's dresses, and the groom and his attendants wore tuxedos. To me it was totally inappropriate and disrespectful to dress as casual as some of the guests did. Whadaya think? Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:46:10 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni fever on the dot coms Penny reported: > Now Joni has the top FOUR spots on the "movers and shakers"....LOTC, Blue, C&S and Hits. And the latest run down in the top 100 is: > 1....BSN > 10...Hits > 12...Blue > 14....C&S > 18....Hejira > 37....FTR > 40....LOTC > 62....HOSL > 66....Clouds > 74....MOA > 84....Mingus I've been reading these reports in complete, but happy, disbelief. This is TRULY astounding. I cannot imagine that Joni has EVER had so many of her albums in the top 100. It's like she's won the grand jackpot in Vegas! I'll bet this sets some kind of a record - I think only the Beatles have ever accomplished this - anyone know? >But just to add a little reality.....you guys that are in the >know of how this works, what does Joni have to pay back to >Reprise for all the press or is the bulk of it being picked up >by TNT for their ad campaign to promote their tribute special >on Joni? I would venture to say that she has completely re-couped with Reprise and it's now all gravy. TNT would normally be picking up their own tab for the advertising so all that incredible publicity is "free" to Joni. This is such a great example of good publicity paying off in spades. I think Les may need to add on a few more "rooms in the house" soon if all these buyers find the JMDL address ;-D Keep sending in those reports, Penny! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:58:30 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: k.d. comfortable In a message dated 00-04-17 23:08:53 EDT, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << She was more dressed up when I saw her in perform at her own concert - wearing a variety of very luxe silk trouser outfits. >> Im suprised she didnt wear her gardening overalls to look her best. You know a little duck hunting outfit with a heavy mountain climbing boot on only ONE foot to look VERY cool. Like you know man it would be off the charts and out of the envelope. You know like expressing her individuality....... marcel. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:21:07 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Una vita per Joni From: "Angela Incardona" Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:20:06 +0200 Ciao a tutti quanti. Mi chiamo Angela, sono italiana e soprattutto una fan di Joni, sin dai tempi di Blue. La sua voce, la sua musica e le sue poesie mi trasmisero subito sensazioni che nessun altro mai riuscito a darmi. Ho seguito nel tempo i suoi cambiamenti e sempre ne sono rimasta affascinata. Amo molto THOSL ed Hejira. Ogni suo album ha segnato la mia vita e ha sottolineato i miei momenti di felicit e di tristezza. Ciao ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:47:13 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: got a question Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:03:32 -0700 From: Lynn Dewart I'm a newcomer to the net and thrilled to find something that thoroughly delights me as all the wonderful bio and pics on JoniMithcell.com. What a find! I've been a true and loyal fan since the late 60's (own every album) and am so excited to see her in person this May in LA. (I was a free woman in Paris when she played there in the 70's) A friend told me that Joni's been very ill and was surprised to hear that she would be touring.......can anyone fill me in? Thanks for all the great work, Lynn in San Diego ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:12:22 +1000 From: john low Subject: Tribute reviews ... NJC Helen makes a strong and valid point about the “tyranny of distance” when she writes: “No photo of Joni or any other news about the Tribute – which just goes to prove that NZ is the musical, cultural and intellectual back-water that I’ve always maintained!” It is times like this – with the list full of glowing reports of the tribute concert and the up-coming Joni tour – that we do tend to feel somewhat isolated down here. However, I know that Hell (and Gerald, Ange, Alan, Nicholas etc.) would agree that New Zealand and Australia do have some really fine musicians, writers and artists that are little known outside our region - and that’s the rest of the world’s loss! Who knows, the tribute show may eventually arrive on our screens and Joni may decide to visit again. And, anyway, we have the music - and that’s the main thing!! John (in Sydney) - enjoying all the joy and happiness emanating from the list at the moment. __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:18:59 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: tickets available for 5/22 nyc show Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:43:21 -0400 From: "Laura K." Hi all, I'm a lifelong Joni fan and admirer, though new to the list. I have three pairs of tickets for her May 22 show in NYC, but I'm only using one pair. I'm not looking to make a profit, just to recoup my costs and sell them to another fan who will truly appreciate the show. Here are the details: 2 tix - section 205 - row M - seats 1 & 2 $75/ticket = $150 plus ticketmaster "convenience" (ahem) charge, handling charge and "facility" charge total price = $177.10 2 tix - section 302 - row M - seats 5 & 6 $50/ticket = $100 plus all charges, above total price = $125.80 If you're interested, please email me offlist. I'll sell them to the first person to come through with cash (if you live in nyc, we could meet) or a check. It's Friday morning, and I'll be out for the day. Anyone who emails me, I'll get back to you in the late afternoon. Thanks, Laura K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:45:41 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: tribute Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:07:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Parker what's up list? Just wanted to put in my two cents about the tribute concert. WAY COOL as a whole. Wynona was great and I love shawn colvin -- Amelia was good but could have been better. Cindy Lauper I think did a fabulous Job except for botching "It sure is hard to leave you" with "really hard to leave" (therefore having the word "really" twice in that sentence) and singing an extra verse at the end -- I think she was the highlight of the show though to be honest. What's his name I thought was rather lacking vocally -- woodstock was okay but black crow was a disaster in my opinion. James Taylor and Elton John both gave great rendidions. Joni was great too, as were the short films and Ashley's hosting -- the editing of the show was very keenly done so as to show Joni at her most animated most of the time while watching the performances. Very enjoyable show all in all. I've recently recorded a cover of Borderline -- check out my music and MP3s at http://www.danielparker.homepage.com and the poet laureate at http://www.dp1.homepage.com - --Daniel Parker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:27:27 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: The World Needs Joni From: "Kate Bennnett" Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:04:17 -0700 Thanks to the person who posted the Today Show interview (my satellite company doesn't get NBC yet, 500 channels but no network TV!). This post is in reaction to her interview there. Even if she never writes another song, Joni Mitchell has created an extraordinary body of work. Her songs are not just timeless but grow even more poignant as time goes by. As a songwriter, I can't think of any other who expresses such emotional clarity, truth and depth in her songs. She truly is a painter of words & music. Decade after decade, I try to put her music aside (because she is so huge and I do not want to imitate) yet, I return again and again because I learn so much. She raised the bar so high and after all these years, very few others have come even close. Certainly no one has been able to raise it any higher (imho). I wonder-- how many thousands of songwriters has she has influenced? In a sky filled with stars, some brighter than others, Joni is a Supernova. The world today needs her very very much. Looking forward to her well-deserved tribute tonight! Kate Bennett Singer Songwriter kate@katebennett.com www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:11:58 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: k.d. comfortable In a message dated 4/18/00 12:03:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << << She was more dressed up when I saw her in perform at her own concert - wearing a variety of very luxe silk trouser outfits. >> Im suprised she didnt wear her gardening overalls to look her best. You know a little duck hunting outfit with a heavy mountain climbing boot on only ONE foot to look VERY cool. Like you know man it would be off the charts and out of the envelope. You know like expressing her individuality....... marcel. >> This is the silliest thread I've read on this list in a long time. Why does it matter what she wore? I'll bet it did not say on her invitation that it was black tie optional. In fact, I suspect the performers and producers as well as Joni wanted the guest performers to wear whatever the hell they felt like wearing! Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:39:05 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: appropriate dress (NJC) I had some friends who got married a couple of years ago, on the fourth of July, out in the woods. As there is an annual gathering in the North Georgia mountains known as the boogie, the wedding was planned to take place as part of the weekend. Now some people had been camping for several days and attended wearing whatever they happened to have, while some guests came in that day, dressed very nicely. It was a really interesting cross section of people as several of the wedding guests were not familiar with the boogie and in this case, it was perfectly acceptable to wear anything, as the boogie is all about camping, campfires, cooking food, music, and generally having a good time and not worrying about time, having to be anywhere, having to do anything, or having to dress in a certain way, etc...basically, "let[ting] your soul and spirit fly, into the mystic". Anyway, it was one of the most interesting weddings I've ever been to, the combination of a traditional wedding with the whole boogie/woods experience. Actually, it was quite beautiful. Victor http://www.mindspring.com/~waytoblu/Tangled.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:50:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Liz Kemp Subject: Thanks Thank you Wally thank you Jim...... you've really helped this hitcher, this prisoner of fine white lines on the free free way. I have been playing Jonis Music on the Guitar at home and in Public, for gigs and on The Radio ( Im a Dj) for 25 years, and to see her being honored and respected....is a culmination of my career . Im so thrilled that we are listening.....I remember Mr. Carrol from Electra Asylum coming to the radio station from New York City( God rest his soul) with a trunk load of Promo copies of "Don Juans Recckless Daughter" and he gave me one.cause I was the intern at the staion and I was playing Joni in the coffee houses. and I remember being so excited that Joni sang Jazz , when "Hissing" came out.... Centerpiece? Lambert Hendrix and Ross...my Vocal Heroes.and of course this dates back to TWISTED....( LHR too) I am surprised no - one did "Twisted" in the tribute....another Lambert Hendrix and Ross.......I was amazed with Cydi Lauper, I met her once...... when she was in the Band "Blue Angel".what a brilliant African Interpretation of Carey.........I enjoyed the 2 second video of Jaco.....He played at a club where I worked once......I am so thrilled to be a member here and hear your opinoins.......I love Ya Joni, just like Shawn Colvin said.......I dont know where I'd be without you.........Major credit is due to Larry Klein!!!! Oh..what will she do next?? Thanks for the inspiration........Rick said he loved you ! Play on Keep Listening......Liz _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:55:14 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: TNT tribute Now very NJC Alan wrote: >How about a NZ resident called "Homer" ;-) >Here's some clues, see anyone outside Australia and New Zealand >can guess who he is: >ps: Don't ask Hell, she doesn't know!!! I do so! Only 'cos you told me, but that's beside the point! By the way, I'm still not telling... Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:00:04 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: tribute reaction (VLJC) >All that crap about what people wear or how pretty they are or >how fat they are is what is keeping the good stuff from getting through. >IMHO - totally superficial. It just doesn't matter. Exactly my point about the stupid magazine I posted about - not a word about the Tribute, or anyone else who was there, just some scathing remarks about how kd lang was dressed. I agree - it just doesn't matter! Hell P.S. They made no mention of the fact that she wasn't wearing shoes. I imagine that would be too much for all the old dears that read the magazine to cope with! _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:16:33 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: k.d. comfortable njc >i am SO curious now. what the hell [sorry helen] was kd wearing or not >wearing? >wallyk in the tribute-less part of the world I'm also in a tribute-less part of the world, but I do have a photo of kd lang! Now bear in mind that I have no idea about fashion (and could care less what people wear - I'm SO sick of waiting an hour for a friend of mine to get dressed, every time we decide to go to the local pub!), but I digress (surprisingly - not!). kd was wearing a mustard yellow t-shirt (? can't see the sleeves, so not sure) underneath a blue smocky type top with white outlines of leaves (or maybe a paisley pattern) all over it, with a nehru (again, ?) collar. No buttons or zips, just a small opening at the neck. Also a pair of brown trousers, which looks maybe like silk, or possibly those nylon track-pants that are in fashion at the moment. Also apparently she was wearing no shoes, but they don't show that in the photo I have. I actually think she looks quite cool and relaxed! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:20:50 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: BSN Contest Congratulations to those people who won the signed lithos in the BSN contest. But I got all the answers right too, and I want a Joni lithograph! It's not fair, and I'm very close to sulking again! The fact that the entire list would probably have got 10 out of 10 for the quiz is beside the point, of course. Seriously, and sincerely, congratulations! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:18:07 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Tribute reviews ... NJC John wrote: >It is times like this – with the list full of glowing reports of the >tribute concert and the up-coming Joni tour – that we do tend to feel >somewhat isolated down here. However, I know that Hell (and Gerald, >Ange, Alan, Nicholas etc.) would agree that New Zealand and Australia >do have some really fine musicians, writers and artists that are >little known outside our region - and that’s the rest of the world’s >loss! Very true, and yet no one has taken me up on my offer to send out some Kiwi music!? The offer's still there, if anyone wants to take it? Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 02:19:31 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Tribute howard_scptv wrote: > Richard Thompson on > Woodstock--I actually didn't like it much but it made me cry when he sang we > are stardust the first time--he screamed a few words a little too much; > Wynonna on both songs seemed not to know the lyrics (she was watching the > telepromoter, as was R Thompson) Made you cry? So he got to you, too. I was totally captured by his expressive guitar playing and the "masculinity" of his voice (even though there's not a very wide range). As for looking at the teleprompter, he didn't know he would be performing Woodstock until about an hour before the show started, and I would think most of that hour would have been spent learning the guitar part. Stepping in on such short notice and doing such a great job is really impressive. It's unlikely that he knows any of Joni's lyrics the way a fan does; he started about the same time she did and he's been busy writing his own songs for the last 30 years. (In my 11 days of RT fanhood I've found that out and been amazed at some of what I've heard.) He was originally scheduled to do only Black Crow and I don't think he was using the teleprompter for that. And if Wynonna was reading the lyrics it wasn't obvious or important to me. I loved what she told Joni just before singing You Turn Me On (I'm a Radio): "God, Joni, I've loved you since I was 10 years old." It was so heartfelt and wistfully spoken that I've recalled that moment many times today, and thought, yeah, Wynonna, I know just how you feel. Debra Shea ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #197 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?