From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #196 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, April 17 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 196 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: TNT Special...thoughts from a neophyte [FMYFL@aol.com] TNT - kathryn's help ["P. Henry" ] Re: Close, but no guitars. ;-( [Catherine McKay ] Re: [Catherine McKay ] Joni on TNT [Steve Polifka ] Chiming in on the Tribute... ["Alison Einerson" ] Re: tribute reaction ["Alison Einerson" ] Re: Titanic NJC - this means NO JONI CONTENT!!! [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Chiming in on the Tribute... [Jerry Notaro ] Who came to the uk jonifest/troubadour? [Martin Giles ] Re: Joni's sales jump! ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Re: no regrets Coyote and more tribute [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: tribute reaction (md) ["Patricia O'Connor" ] Re: Ashley Judd NJC [catman ] Re: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute [catman ] Re: Joni's sales jump! [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: tribute reaction (md) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: tribute reaction (md) [catman ] JM and David Geffen [Relayer211@aol.com] What is everyone's favorite JM album? [Relayer211@aol.com] 'professional handling' NJC [catman ] Joni's reaction [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute [Mike Friedman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:36:10 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: TNT Special...thoughts from a neophyte In a message dated 4/17/00 11:02:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lorencarter@usa.net writes: << Sure hope TNT replays this again in the future, gotta have the VCR recording next time. >> It will be airing again Loren. I think someone posted some of the dates, but I just looked at TNT's site and it said it will be aired April 19th at 12:30 a.m. (EST) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:39:59 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: TNT - kathryn's help kathryn wrote: >Forgive me if this is not the place to do this. I just thought since I already have the capability I'd be happy to help if I can.> kathryn, I think thanks rather than forgiveness are in order... out of a list of over 600 you may find you've bitten off a bit much and if so, I think there are others with the capability who would be willing/able to help share that load. (just judging from the kindness that's been shown to me since I've been a lister) at any rate, I'm one of the needy ones who can't get the cable coverage... the problem is your mail server thinks I'm a spammer or something and rejected me when I tried to write you privately, hence, this onlist request... here's the rejected message: >>: Connected to 206.52.158.250 but sender was rejected. Remote host said: 550 We don't accept spam mail - --- Below this line is a copy of the message. hi kathryn, wow, that is really nice of you to make such an offer. I live all the way on Guam and it would be great if I could get a copy of the tape also. if you could check the next time you're in to PO on what it would cost for postage and also email me you postal address so I can send you the money, that would be great. $10 ought to cover it but maybe not. pls let me know.>> thanks, pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:46:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Close, but no guitars. ;-( I'm behind again so I'm sure this has already been answered, but that won't stop me... - --- Jamie Zubairi wrote: > Call me a little Joni anal freak here but isn't the > name of the daughter > Joni gave up for fostering, Kelly? The name of the > daughter she got in touch > with was the name the Gibbs gave her which was > Kilauren.... Joni named her Kelly. When she placed her for adoption, the adoptive parents named her Kilauren. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:47:54 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: No Subject (NJC) Jan wrote: << I've been pretty quiet for a while now. Had a baby 7 months ago and have been producing 5 or 6 days a week. >> I had to reread your post again Jan. I thought you'd said you were (re)producing 5 or 6 days a week. LOL Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:55:28 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Tribute Concert re-run While perusing the Sunday paper tv schedule at work last nite I noticed that TNT will be rebroadcasting THE concert Thursday morning at 12:30 am PDT. Check your local listings. Travis somewhere. NP: my local NPR station KUOW. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:03:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: I got a similar grouchy e-mail. I'm glad I wasn't the only one he complained about (that wouldn't be fair!) It would be nice to hear something more from Greg, apart from asking us not to post about *other* things - - most of the time we do remember the NJC tag (we're still human, therefore we err occasionally). Greg, have you considered subscribing to the joni-only list? Then, you wouldn't have to hear from pains like us who like to talk about *everything*. ;) - --- catman wrote: > Anyone know who this nice person is? > > Greg Dudichum wrote: > > > > Hello catman, This is about you posting Star wars > messages to a Joni > > Mitchell discussion list. Do you even know who > Joni is? Appearantly not- > > She is a 56 year old folk singer who is not even > remotely associatef with > > Star Wars so please stop posting!!!!!!!!! > ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:13:53 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Joni on TNT To Coyote (and all the rest...) I got caught up in your quandry and thirst for meaning, in your post. My celebration of all things Joni was spent with other fans, and 'newbie' to Joni, with the watching of the Special last night. Sometimes I just feel that Joni, somehow, someway-(and all the time so elequently and honestly)- speaks for the collective unconscious of mankind. She has touched you and I and the rest of the JMDL- as well as folks who are now even familiar with us- in indescribable ways. In the Chili's post to send fanmail, I thought, "Well, what WOULD I say?" How can I describe the emotion she has ferreted out of me when my walls were put up high and strong, or when I felt great about love or life she could get me to feel even higher than I was flying already? So I celebrated the 'recognition' and 'praise' and 'honor' that was bestowed upon her through a feeble TV program. Feeble only in the fact that it could not cover the broad spectrum of thanks, gratitude and greatfulness that we all feel. (What I did get from watching was that ALL involved truly felt some connection and caring for her and her art-music/painting/sharing/giving-whatever it is- And that is what made TNT's show a true Tribute. So Coyote, enjoy the moment- a mere 2 hours- of great love over the 'wires and pipes'... After all. the only thing that is important is how she has touched your life... Yours in all-things-Joni, Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:07:00 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Chiming in on the Tribute... Just wanted to share my thoughts on the tribute... It was truly phenomenal. I expected to be moved, and was so excited to watch it. I was COMPLETELY bowled over by Cyndi Lauper. I think it was hands-down the best number of the show... It's really interesting to read everyone's opinions on these performances! We are all so varied in our reactions to certain interpretations. It has so much to do (IMHO) with our personal experiences with each song. I was bawling like a baby during Carey and also during Chapin/Colvin's version of Amelia. Maybe because I have seen them perform together before at Telluride Bluegrass Fest. But anyway, I thought both of those were SO lovingly done. I am a huge Richard Thompson fan, and I didn't particularly enjoy his Black Crow, or Woodstock for that matter. Can't really explain why, except to say that he didn't seem able to maintain the vulnerability or delicacy of either song...kind of stepped on them i guess. Does anyone get the feeling that Dianna Krall performed only because of her connections with Klein? I wasn't aware that she was a big Joni fan. I think her performance of ACOY was a little forced... How cool would it be to have Susan Sarandon call you "Gal"???? The whole thing was incredible. Anyone have any plans to make an audio for treeing? It seems someone mentioned it before. I would love to have it on tape or CD. Now just restlessly anxiously excited for May 22, and knowing i will need a full box of tissues for joni live... alison e. in slc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:24:45 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: tribute reaction Jimmy wrote: >I'm sure if I were to watch the tape over and over I might find some >flaws.... ie someone sang a wrong note or kd lang had some toe jam, hilarious!!! i love kd lang, loved her performance, and think it's really silly that people would sit around and criticize that fact that she was/is comfortable enough in herself to wear what she wants to wear, and fuck-it-go-barefoot-too. we nutso americans seem to vacillate between obsessing about famous hollywood fashion and what the stars are wearing, how it's excessive and wasteful and arrogant... but when someone (kd) rejects that notion we call her a slob. who really cares what she was wearing? she sang beautifully as usual! and she looked HOT (IMO)! > >I'd have to agree with Pat. I enjoyed every bit of the tribute. I even liked >Hilary's speech......(regardless of what some people may think of her) I >thought it was touching that she shared the story of Bill and her walking >through the Chelsea district singing Joni's song. i also agree with jimmy and pat... i like hillary. i just wish she wouldn't have sounded so rehearsed, or "canned" as catgirl, i think, put it. i remember reading this story way back when clinton first ran for president. i liked him much more after i heard it. alison e. in slc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:21:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Titanic NJC - this means NO JONI CONTENT!!! - --- "Helen M. Adcock" wrote: > But I really was amazed at the effects for a 1954 > movie. I prefer the earlier version - it's more realistic in my opinion. > And I also didn't > realise there was another ship only 10 miles away > (that saw Titanic's lights > and rockets), that the crew from Titanic tried to > signal (to no avail) since > their radio-operator was asleep! I believe the other ship thought the flares were fireworks. And apparently, it was common practice at that time to sign off the radio for the night. Scary isn't it? > And why didn't > James Cameron cover this in > his movie? > Good question - maybe it would have detracted from *his* story (although he did cover the insufficient lifeboats issue). ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:24:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: The Thunderstorm, SBC Cable, no-TNT-no-Tribute Blues DA-NA-NA-NA-NA Turned on the tube DA-NA-NA-NA-NA Saw only snow DA-NA-NA-NA-NA Said it's okay man DA-NA-NA-NA-NA Five hours to go But SBC up and quit on me Said lighning zapped their feed Got the Tunderstorm SBC No TNT no Tribute blues Yep, it's true. Thunderstorms in St. Louis wiped out the cable company -- so no Tribute concert for me last night. But not to fear! A pal at work has a Sony DSS and taped it for me in STEREO -- even cut out all the commercials. So I'll see it in it's glory 2-NITE! Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:34:33 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Chiming in on the Tribute... <> Jim Lamadoo's already announced that he is willing to make tape copies, and I'm sure a CD will be available as well soon! ;~) Just a hunch.... Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Warm Beer & Cold Women" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:48:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Chiming in on the Tribute... I've got a great Hi-Fi VHS copy, and will rip the audio onto CDR. Since I have access to some pretty zippy digital mastering software, I'll be able to cross-fade just the applause in and out between tracks, so it will sound like an uninterupted concert. I'll let everyone know when it's available for branching. Cool artwork already in progress ... Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:54:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC - --- evian confesses: > Oh dear me... I fear that I have not had anything > "Jonified" or > Joni-riffic to say in quite some time... sigh.... I > guess we've been > told. I better get off the list and leave you > "folkies" alone. Helen, > my dear twin, stay away from any turkish delight > offered to you when you > are sitting in the wardrobe. If you want me for > anything, I'll be on the > Kim Carnes List, defending the merits of her Cafe > Racers album. > Evian > P.S. Wait...I just realized that if I left, y'all > would have no one > here to defend the cheesier things in life... thus, > it is my mission to > stay, regardless of whats-his-name thinks! btw... > Cafe Racers really IS > a good album! :) Don't you DARE leave this list - cheesiness never needed a defender more than it does now. If you want me, I'll be in the fridge. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:57:16 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Chiming in on the Tribute... My vote for best performance in a Joni song goes to Diana Krall. No one could possibly have performed A Case of You that way without being a Joni fan. Cyndi Lauper, a close second. Very honorable mention to Sweet Honey and the Rock. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:03:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Stop posting! (NJC) - --- Kakki wrote: > Catman and Helen, > > Maybe Mr. Dudichum has an offbeat sense of humor > that it takes the rest of > us a little while to get - stating that she is a 56 > year old folk singer > must be a joke, no? ;-D B'dee, b'duhhhh. Jeez, Kakki, I never t'ought of dat. (Seriously - I didn't! Oh, the shame of it!...........) Kakki, you are obviously a much kinder person than I am. Here are a few things I have to keep reminding myself of: 1) People who park their cars in the handicapped parking spot, but who don't have the handicapped sticker/permit on their car, may actually be handicapped and maybe they just haven't got their sticker yet, and therefore I mustn't place obnoxious notes on their windshields. 2) People who take the elevator up or down one floor may have an invisible handicap of some kind of which I am unaware, therefore I mustn't think bad thoughts of them. 3) People who post "get off the list" posts may: a) have a wicked sense of humour that I just don't get b) just be ignorant and in need of more information and therefore I must err on the side of forgiveness, rather than being my usual bitchy self. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:21:39 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: Who came to the uk jonifest/troubadour? Hi peeps. This is a request for all the people who came to the Troubadour on the 4th January to get in touch with me. We had a couple of photos of the whole group taken, and I was thinking that it would be nice if one of these shots appeared on the artwork of the (soon to be released) CD. What would be even nicer would be to have a caption under the photo showing who's who, so that everyone who gets a copy of the CD will be able to put names to faces. So get in touch with me with your email addresses. I'll get the photo mailed back out to y'all, and you can me mail back again, describing your position in the picture. I think that'll work! atb, Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:44:09 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Joni's sales jump! Haha! My client wasn't ready today, so my job got postponed 'til tomorrow.......my priorities must be out of whack cuz I'd much rather follow the excitement here than make money! ;-) Anyway, I just checked Amazon's charts, that are updated hourly, and Joni is all over the place! Again the top three "movers and shakers" are all Joni, taking turns in order. But the really cool thing is Joni not only still has the number one spot in the top 100, but now 9 CD's in the top 100......6 of them in the top 50. Pen, brush, canvas and paint money, Joan. While you're at it, maybe you could buy a few more guitar strings and get your piano tuned too! ;-D And while I'm writing anyway, my suggestion for JMDLer poster boards at the various concerts....one side: "We need you" and the other side: "More Story" With JMDL written smaller at the bottom. Who knows, maybe after seeing these (or similarly uniform signs) a few times, the card carrying JMDLers will be invited backstage? Think positive! ;-) Miles of smiles, Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:08:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Visiting Anne (NJC) This is great! The work environment I'm in now is very negative. I've been trying to think of ways to get the staff in my department thinking more in terms of what we can do to help each other within our own unit(even if we can't get this from the rest of the ministry - it's a gov't office, we can them "ministries", in the US, it would probably be a department?) My belief is that we can't control much outside of where we are, but we can control what goes in inside this office. Anything from "silly hat day" to picnics in the park, anything that doesn't cost much money, because we have no budget, is the kind of things I suggested on Friday, since we had had a recent rash of nastiness imposed on us from outside and I wanted the staff to be aware that a) people don't usually tell you anything unless it's to complain b) there are things we can do within this office to help ourselves. One rule I gave them is that it has to be cooperative, not competitive. I'm afraid if I used your "beloved" statement to my staff, I will be greeted with terrible cynicism or laughed out of the room, but it's worth a try. (I don't think I would get away with using that word, but I appreciate the idea behind it!) So much of what we say to others is based on our assumptions about them - if I think you're out to get me, then everything you say to me, everything you do, will be seen from that perspective and the result is, uh, we won't get along with each other very well. - --- MGVal@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/16/00 5:45:33 AM Pacific > Daylight Time, AsharaJM@aol.com > writes: > > << I think if more people > did these type of things instead of spending their > energy writing hurtful > posts like the one from Greg Dudichum wrote to > Colin, we would have a very > different world around us. I truly believe every > single one of us can make a > difference, even if we have only a small bit of > time, or a small bit of > energy. >> > > Much agreed Ashara! > > Within the department I supervise, being nice and > kind is a mandatory job > requirement. I try to offer tips on "how to be nice" > during the weekly > meetings that I have once a month. One of the best > tips I've used is the > "beloved" technique. Which means to view the other > person as your "beloved;" > someone you know and love and understand. > > My example was that if you are being cut off in > traffic, instead of allowing > road rage to build and fester, imagine that driver > is your grandmother who > just got hit with a nasty wave of diarrhea and > veered off to get to a rest > room. If that was the case, you'd be a little more > tolerant of the situation > and be able to proceed ahead a bit more peacefully. > > Now, this doesn't mean that you turn into an all > accepting doormat. It > doesn't make excuses for boorish, thoughtless or > dangerous behavior. It DOES > mean that you try and remember that surface actions > can tell you nothing > about what's beneath. I believe that this balance > allows one to approach a > potentially hostile situation with peace. > > We seem to have more tolerance for the people whom > we intimately love than > with the nameless stranger. I believe that > practicing the "beloved" > techniques helps to put a face to that nameless and > "force" us to remember > that, as Bugs Bunny once said, "he sure is ugly now, > but he was somebody's > baby once." > > MG - enjoying a pyromaniac moment for Anne > ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:21:09 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: Joni's sales jump! BSN is #5 at Barnes and Noble and #9 in Tower Records' Top 1000. Their top 1000 is based on chain wide sales, (not only internet sales) and is updated daily. So this chart doesn't even reflect today's sales with the expected tail-wind from the airing of the Tribute show. 11 (!) of her albums are in their top 1000: BSN-9 BLUE-193 HITS-257 C&S-263 LOTC-354 CLOUDS-516 MOA-534 HEJIRA-547 HOSL-697 FTR-803 STAS-1000 It's kind of interesting that her first 9 records are on this list with nothing, excepting Hits and BSN, from the last 25 years. Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net - ----- Original Message ----- From: Penny > Anyway, I just checked Amazon's charts, that are updated hourly, and > Joni is all over the place! Again the top three "movers and shakers" > are all Joni, taking turns in order. But the really cool thing is Joni > not only still has the number one spot in the top 100, but now 9 CD's in > the top 100......6 of them in the top 50. > Penny ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:09:20 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: no regrets Coyote and more tribute Coyote, your post was really touching. That's the thing about music. It really is a langugae that helps us communicate. We all just happen to prefer one musician in particular. Does that make us weird? Not at all. A while back I sent an email to Wally K (Hi Wally!) in which I said that we are as much a part of Joni's music as she is. Otherwise she'd be the proverbial tree falling in the forest. I saw the tribute in bits and pieces, which was ok. I only lasted through the first few songs before heading to bed last night, but I watched the rest today. One thing I found a bit odd was the background music for the interludes describing her career - the music was generally 'off' by an album or two (like one ahead or behind.) Just an observation. I loved that Cassandra Wilson did DCFD! And I thought Laurence Fishburne's tribute was great. I'll have to listen again, but I found Dianna Krall's (sp?) rendition of ACOY disappointing, probably because Joni's own version on BSN is so compelling. All in all, a fantastic event. And I have to admit to lying in bed, singing along at the end of YTMOIAR - and singing the 'long' version in a voice that's a bit weak, but was (if I do say so myself) right on through the whole thing. I'm looking forward to being able to pick up my guitar again. And having a bit more voice for singing... After all, that's Joni's gift to me - that and wanting to write my own songs. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:28:52 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: tribute reaction (md) In a message dated 4/17/2000 10:22:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, alisone@kirkhams.com writes: << and think it's really silly that people would sit around and criticize that fact that she was/is comfortable enough in herself to wear what she wants to wear, and fuck-it-go-barefoot-too. we nutso americans seem to vacillate between obsessing about famous hollywood fashion and what the stars are wearing, how it's excessive and wasteful and arrogant... but when someone (kd) rejects that notion we call her a slob. who really cares what she was wearing? >> I think it is called R_E_S_P_E_C_T. You know it seems like a little thing or something one can be called "picky" about if they mention it but KD Lang IMHO totally blew it. Shes entitled to wear whatever she wants at HER tribute, but out of respect for Joni she should have dressed up. Those who give no respect to others have no right to demand same. I think this is symptomatic of todays "values". Example. What if right in the middle of the slobs song someone decided to just walk up on stage and read their latest poetry. No respect right ? Well by the slobs values that should be perfectly all right because no one has to give respect to anyone else. We just do what WE think is cool and everyone else has to live happily with it. Lets not quibble over degrees because then we are talking about the same thing. Let the flames begin. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:52:47 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: tribute reaction (md) marcel wrote: >I think this is symptomatic of todays >"values". Example. What if right in the middle of the slobs song someone >decided to just walk up on stage and read their latest poetry. No respect >right ? Well by the slobs values that should be perfectly all right because >no one has to give respect to anyone else. i see what you are getting at, and i get your point. but, the fact that kd showed up, sang and did such a wonderful job is what displays her respect. not, in my opinion, what she was wearing. and she wasn't behaving rudely, she didn't walk up on stage and interrupt someone, she just dressed in what made her comfortable. not unlike joni herself. >We just do what WE think is cool >and everyone else has to live happily with it i think kd's rejection of the norms of what women are supposed to look like at a gala event like this is cool. is anyone going to criticize Brian Adams for wearing a t-shirt and jeans??? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:43:31 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: no regrets Coyote and more tribute Yes, off by an album or two AND, when they were talking about her abilities as a composer, the music was a song of which the music is credited to John Guerin ("The Hissing of Summer Lawns"). LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:44:36 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Re: tribute reaction (md) > I think it is called R_E_S_P_E_C_T. You know it seems like a little thing or > something one can be called "picky" about if they mention it but KD Lang IMHO > totally blew it. >Let the flames begin. No flame-throwing from me. I was at the Tribute concert, and "show some respect" was exactly what I thought of KD's outfit, however her *visual* presentation was mitigated by her *vocal* performance. Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:50:00 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Tribute Impressions Yeah, the band was terrific. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:16:43 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: tribute reaction (md) In a message dated 04/17/2000 5:28:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1 writes: << I think it is called R_E_S_P_E_C_T. You know it seems like a little thing or something one can be called "picky" about if they mention it but KD Lang IMHO totally blew it. S >> You won't get flames from me either Marcel. Sure *I* think it would have been nice of kd to dress up a little nicer (or Bryan Adams for that matter), but the point of my original post was THE TRIBUTE SHOW WAS WONDERFUL !!! I was in such awe of everyone and their performances, I didn't see how any of the listers had time to look for any flaws in the show. I'm sure if I see the video a few times, I might find that Wynonna strummed too much or Shawn & Mary were off key in a few places or Ashley Judd had a hanging garden. Maybe it's just that I was so overwhelmed by the entire evening. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:54:45 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Who came to the uk jonifest/troubadour? (NJC) Hi Martin, Sounds a great idea! Send the photo to me here at jason.maloney@virgin.net, and I'll do the necessary... Cheers, Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:38:23 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Titanic NJC - this means NO JONI CONTENT!!! > BTW, I finally saw The Sixth Sense in the weekend, and was completely bowled > over by it! What a great movie, and Haley Joel Osment was incredible. How > can an eight- or nine-year-old act with that much depth? He was just > astounding, and while Michael Caine is a great actor, I can't help feeling > Haley was hard done by at the Oscars! I garee with you-the film and the boy were excellent. I am often amazed when I see children acting. American children seem so good at this. When I see British children acting, they always seem like children acting. > > Hell > _______________________________ > "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with > available extremes" - Carole King > > hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:36:24 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Tribute rebroadcast dates/times For those who either missed watching or forgot to tape, the rebroadcast dates and times are: 04/19/00 - 08:00 pm ET - TNT, 04/19/00 - 10:00 pm ET -TNT and 04/20/00 - 12:30 am ET - TNT Now that we have shared our reviews of the show, lets talk about who was there! The couple in the box with their child behind Joni... who were they? Donald we know, but where was Kilauren? Someone said they thought they saw her... Celebs in the audience...the gal from Law and Order, (?) Tutturro (sp?) from the Sopranos, Rosie's brother looked way more enthralled than did Rosie, Sandra Bernhard, Goldie, Susan, Laurence, Stamos, and you know there may be more.... Listers who were present, can you tell us again where you were sitting and if you glimpsed yourselves at all? Nice credit at the end to Jim Johansen. Did anyone else notice? One more note about the JMDL sign...I am ready to ship it out west if there are any takers... Later, Sue Cameron, no relation to Titanic Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:42:10 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Ashley Judd NJC "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lamadoo)" wrote: > > Wow, is Ashley Judd........... wonderful? :) And now she's in movies- there > really **IS** a loving God. :) I think that Ashley got her mother's looks > and Wynonna got her mother's musical talent. :) > > To _look_ at them, it's hard to believe they're sisters. :) It is also hard to belive that the Barbi doll is her mother! Ashley is much better than either her mum or sister, imo. They loook so false. > > All the best, > > Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati, OH, USA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:44:22 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute I am not sure what you mean by this at all. However, an NTSC recorded video will NOT play back on a PAL system and visa versa. Fortunately I have a vcr that will playback either NTSC or PAL. You probably don't mean what I think anyway but really I don't know what you mean! Mike Friedman wrote: > > Just to be clear, VHS is a video standard, whereas NTSC and PAL (and SECAM > in France) are television braodcast standards. VHS can record from any of > the standards, it's interchangeable. > > ================================================================ > "Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" > "I think so, Brain, but how are we gonna find chaps our size?" > > Mike Friedman > San Francisco, CA, USA > http://63.192.218.181 > > > From: Richard Goldman > > Reply-To: Richard Goldman > > Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:58:29 -0700 > > To: joni@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute > > > > > >> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:06:07 -0500 > >> From: pat holden > >> Subject: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute > >> > >> on my knees begging..would some kind soul do me the > >> sweeeet favour of making a copy of the tribute show > >> too. We won't be able to see it here either :((( waa > >> waaa waaaaa. > >> ahhhh but the art show might head this way!!! I can > >> only hope > >> > >> gratitude from the bottom of my heart > >> > >> mags* > > > > Of course! I'll make and send you a copy, mags: as long as you Canada is > > VHS and not PAL, right? Then no problema, amiga. Just send me your snail > > mail address and I'll get ya' one next week. > > > > RichardSF > > richard2sf@earthlink.net > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:44:31 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: tribute reaction (md) << You know it seems like a little thing or something one can be called "picky" about if they mention it but KD Lang IMHO totally blew it. Shes entitled to wear whatever she wants at HER tribute, but out of respect for Joni she should have dressed up. >> While I see your point, marcel, I have to respectfully disagree...tell you the truth, I didn't even notice who wore what. Obviously KD meant no disrepect - by whose standards is she to be judged - yours? I doubt if she even knows you, man! :~) We get into the same argument about "dressing up" for church - do you think God cares how we appear on the OUTSIDE when we worship? No, it's what in your heart that counts - and kd's heart was in the right place, even if her shoes stayed on the rack! :~) Anyway, I don't mean to be coming off as flaming - you're as entitled to your own definition as to what constitutes respectful behavior as I. I just didn't pick up any such "disrespectful" vibe...matter of fact, had everyone "dressed up" appropriately or whatever, it would have come off as being more "show biz" and phony, instead, it had a strong sense of 'genuineness' that made it work. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:56:39 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: TRIBUTE COMMENTS Guess I'll chime in too..... Very emotional show, it was great to see such luminaries as Shawn Colvin, (who used to cover Joni tunes on Wednesday nights at the Cottonwood Cafe in the Village in the early 80's), JT, KD, Elton, Cassandra, et al...clearly honored to be there. Most performances brought something new to the tunes, except for Richard Thomson's lack of melodic understanding of Black Crow, (couldn't he hear the monitors? and was that vibrato substituting for pitch?), and Wynonna, (give me a break, she's cool for country, but was out of her league, nice guitar holding though). Larry Fishburne's into to the Mingus period was especially on target, I too thought her more progressive work, and any hint of the Jazz thang would be overlooked. Cyndi Lauper and KD Lang were great, but my choice for best of show is split btwn Cassandra's -cool as shit- "Dry Cleaner"-,{ loved Bob Sheppard, more like Brecker then Shorter for sure}, and Diana Krall's soulful "Case of You". There was not even a cursory mention of "Shadows and Light" though, my personal fave, which was disappointing, but the pictures of Jaco was a nice touch. Not too many regular TNT viewers have heard of him I'll bet. Joni is a goddess, she seemed clearly embarrassed by all the attention at times, but she must've felt really good to be feted by her peers, (if there is such a thing)!! Can't wait for Merriweather in May, with Peter Erskine in tow!!! Dave Fairall Baltimore Md ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 15:48:46 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Joni's sales jump! Please forgive my enthusiasm, but this is just too much fun to watch!! Now Joni has the top FOUR spots on the "movers and shakers"....LOTC, Blue, C&S and Hits. And the latest run down in the top 100 is: 1....BSN 10...Hits 12...Blue 14....C&S 18....Hejira 37....FTR 40....LOTC 62....HOSL 66....Clouds 74....MOA 84....Mingus (Hey this is a whole lot more fun to watch than my internet stocks....yuk!, lately, to say the least!) Geez, this has got to be one of Joni's most profitable days ever! (Amazon is the net's leader in sales volume, according to Billboard) Each of these CD's have either held there ground or climbed with each look, all day long. But just to add a little reality.....you guys that are in the know of how this works, what does Joni have to pay back to Reprise for all the press or is the bulk of it being picked up by TNT for their ad campaign to promote their tribute special on Joni? Penny PS Check out Amazon's reviews for Joni's albums......really fabulous accounts. ;-) Patricia O'Conner wrote: BSN is #5 at Barnes and Noble and #9 in Tower Records' Top 1000. Their top 1000 is based on chain wide sales, (not only internet sales) and is updated daily. So this chart doesn't even reflect today's sales with the expected tail-wind from the airing of the Tribute show. 11 (!) of her albums are in their top 1000: BSN-9 BLUE-193 HITS-257 C&S-263 LOTC-354 CLOUDS-516 MOA-534 HEJIRA-547 HOSL-697 FTR-803 STAS-1000 It's kind of interesting that her first 9 records are on this list with nothing, excepting Hits and BSN, from the last 25 years. Patricia O'Connor :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:06:37 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: tribute reaction (md) In a message dated 4/17/00 6:19:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << I didn't see how any of the listers had time to look for any flaws in the show. >> my reaction too. it was a warm event with a lot of genuineness. how can that be criticized in our day and age? pat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:10:46 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: tribute reaction (md) MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/17/2000 10:22:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > alisone@kirkhams.com writes: > > << and think it's really silly that people would sit around and criticize > that fact that she was/is comfortable enough in herself to wear what she > wants to wear, and > fuck-it-go-barefoot-too. we nutso americans seem to vacillate between > obsessing about famous hollywood fashion and what the stars are wearing, how > it's excessive and wasteful and arrogant... but when someone (kd) rejects > that notion we call her a slob. who really cares what she was wearing? >> > > I think it is called R_E_S_P_E_C_T. You know it seems like a little thing or > something one can be called "picky" about if they mention it but KD Lang IMHO > totally blew it. Shes entitled to wear whatever she wants at HER tribute, but > out of respect for Joni she should have dressed up. Those who give no respect > to others have no right to demand same. I think this is symptomatic of todays > "values". I agree with the first quotes, not the second. People interpret things differently for all sorts of reasons. Personally, I see nothin disrespectful about anyone choosing to dress the way they choose. I think it is disrespectful to expect them to dress the way I want them to! And when I hear or read 'i think this is sympotmatic of of todays values....' I hear 'people should live according to the values I think are correct'. Like when I hear the Archbishop Of Canterbury or some other 'public figure' pontificating about morals and values. What they are all saying is that they want people to follow the moral code that the pontificator follows. Well morals are not absolute. We are all individuals who must make up our own minds and value system. Whilst I would agree with some of the 'moral values' such people hold like it is wrong to kill, I stronlgy disagree with others. (actually the killing thing is weird-the COE says it is wrong to kill unless your country tells you to). Or people who are anti abortion are ofetn pro capital punishment. A stance that is ludicrous if not obscene. Personal repsonsibilty is what it all boils down to. One has yto live according to ones own thoughts and values NOT someone elses. the world would be lot happier place with so much less pain if people would desist from trying to force their interpreations of what is true and not true and what is moral and not moral upon others. I doubt kd thought 'I look like a slob' and 'this will disrespect Joni'. I think those thoughts came from whoever decided she looked like a slob! bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:16:09 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: JM and David Geffen I was browsing through the New Biography of David Geffen and it talks about how Joni and David Geffen are currently on bad terms with each other.Joni refused,after considering it,to talk with the author about David,and David Geffen had alot of derogatory things to say about Joni.Though what her sais about Joni is not mentioned.Does anyone know the cause,reasons for their fued? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:17:41 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: What is everyone's favorite JM album? I think mine is "For the Roses".Followed by "Blue" and "Hissing of Summer Lawns." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:22:38 +0100 From: catman Subject: 'professional handling' NJC Life is full of surprises. As you know, I have been showing my American Cocker Spaniel, Phoebe, the first Yankee I have shown, not the first dog as I have shown Lhasa Apso many times beofre. Anyway, today I went to an elderly lady's home to strip her dog for her. She had a stunning bicth there. It is now at home with me and I am being paid to train and show this lovely black and white. It seems in the very short time I have been showing Yankees, I already am known for doing it well. I even got a call from the top breeder here tonight telling me he had heard many good reports of me and my Phoebe. This man handled the TOP DOG 97(meaning it wwas the top winner of all breeds for that year). You never know, I may have to stop mixing with plebs and leave this list! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:23:28 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Joni's reaction It did seem that Joni seemed to enjoy all the performances,didn't it?her reaction shots during the songs all showed her smiling or crying,singing or dancing along with the song... Also,did anyone else enjoy Cyndi Lauper sining "Carey"?I think she did a really good job,and Joni was dancing along,I just think the musical arrangements could have been a little better. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:28:45 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute What I mean is that VHS is a standard for videotaping. NTSC, PAL and SECAM are standards for broadcasting TV. The TV can decode whichever of these three it is programmed to, the VCR doesn't matter as it can be programmed to decode any of them from the VHS tape (or DVD or whatever source). ================================================================ "Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "I think so, Brain, but how are we gonna find chaps our size?" Mike Friedman San Francisco, CA, USA http://63.192.218.181 > From: catman > Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:44:22 +0100 > To: Mike Friedman > Cc: Richard Goldman , joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute > > I am not sure what you mean by this at all. However, an NTSC recorded > video will NOT play back on a PAL system and visa versa. Fortunately I > have a vcr that will playback either NTSC or PAL. You probably don't > mean what I think anyway but really I don't know what you mean! > > Mike Friedman wrote: >> >> Just to be clear, VHS is a video standard, whereas NTSC and PAL (and SECAM >> in France) are television braodcast standards. VHS can record from any of >> the standards, it's interchangeable. >> >> ================================================================ >> "Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" >> "I think so, Brain, but how are we gonna find chaps our size?" >> >> Mike Friedman >> San Francisco, CA, USA >> http://63.192.218.181 >> >>> From: Richard Goldman >>> Reply-To: Richard Goldman >>> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:58:29 -0700 >>> To: joni@smoe.org >>> Subject: Re: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute >>> >>> >>>> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:06:07 -0500 >>>> From: pat holden >>>> Subject: another Canadian begging for a copy of the tribute >>>> >>>> on my knees begging..would some kind soul do me the >>>> sweeeet favour of making a copy of the tribute show >>>> too. We won't be able to see it here either :((( waa >>>> waaa waaaaa. >>>> ahhhh but the art show might head this way!!! I can >>>> only hope >>>> >>>> gratitude from the bottom of my heart >>>> >>>> mags* >>> >>> Of course! I'll make and send you a copy, mags: as long as you Canada is >>> VHS and not PAL, right? Then no problema, amiga. Just send me your snail >>> mail address and I'll get ya' one next week. >>> >>> RichardSF >>> richard2sf@earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:39:36 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: What is everyone's favorite JM album? It's hard to say your favorite album and forgetting the other ones, but I'm still sticking with Hejira. FTR is gaining on it fast... NP-Furry Sings The Blues At 7:17 PM -0400 4/17/00, Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > I think mine is "For the Roses".Followed by "Blue" and "Hissing of Summer >Lawns." - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net Tape trading --> homepage.mac.com/mtd/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:58:31 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: tribute reaction (md) ><< I didn't see how any of > the listers had time to look for any flaws in the show. >> >my reaction too. it was a warm event with a lot of genuineness. how can >that be criticized in our day and age? pat i was, as i said, completely entertained, enthralled, consumed and pleased by the show. not looking for any flaws, didn't really see any by accident. >it had a strong sense of 'genuineness' that made it >work. bob kd's barefoot behaviour added to that, for me anyway. one other note, my favorite point in the show: "Joan, the bone, on the throne, where she belone (?)" James Taylor. too sweet. what a class act. alison e. in slc. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #196 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?