From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #188 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, April 13 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 188 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Diva Question (VLJC) [Joseph Palis ] Fwd: Peter Jackson (NJC) [CarltonCT@aol.com] RE: Diva Question (VLJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Spirit of Joni at the Open Mind night [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: More on Joni and JMDL (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Joni photos [Deb Messling ] UK Jonifest...Brighton...London? [mick ] Re: Joni photos [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] "I'm your biggest fan" your letters to Joni [Chilihead2@aol.com] Re: Star Wars definitelyNJC [Jerry Notaro ] FW: Diva Question (VLJC) ["Carver, Dax" ] Re: FW: Diva Question (VLJC) [Jerry Notaro ] RE: FW: Diva Question (VLJC) ["Carver, Dax" ] Joni and Bjork [Andy Stancliffe ] Re: rosie - now NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: "I'm your biggest fan" your letters to Joni (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: NJC - Shannon Curfman on Rosie [Catherine McKay ] Re: Curad Bandages [Catherine McKay ] Re: Star Wars definitelyNJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: warning: post written by me re: Curad Bandages njc [Catherine McKay <] Re: travis njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Diva Question (VLJC) [Mike Friedman ] njc Re: "I'm your biggest fan" your letters to Joni (md) [SCJoniGuy@aol.c] Re: Joni photos (and tribute album) [Mike Friedman ] Re: Lord of the Rings....Star Wars definitelyNJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Diva Question (VLJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Diva Question (VLJC) [jan gyn ] RE: Joni photos ["Wally Kairuz" ] Joni on The Today Show [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Joni on The Today Show [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni on The Today Show [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Joni on The Today Show [Mark Domyancich ] "Fleece Your Children" (NJC) [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] in search of rare recordings (njc) [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Diva Question (VLJC) (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Joni photos [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Diva Question (VLJC) (md) [Mike Friedman ] April 15-21 TV Guide [Patti Haskins ] Re: Lord of the Rings....Star Wars definitelyNJC ["Garret" Subject: Diva Question (VLJC) Isn't the word "diva" a name given to an operatic singer, usually a soprano? So when they say diva in pop music, do they mean a singer in the grand manner or they just use the word "diva" recklessly these days? IMHO, to call Joni a diva is naive (or its me who's naive ;-) Joseph (watched a great film last night with girlfriend called DIVA and features a black soprano Wilhelmina Wiggins and an obssessed fan who stole her gown for his own gratification). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 03:20:33 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Peter Jackson (NJC) - --part1_dd.30e53b1.2626cf41_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_dd.30e53b1.2626cf41_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: CarltonCT@aol.com From: CarltonCT@aol.com Full-name: CarltonCT Message-ID: <15.2acc864.2626cedc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 03:18:52 EDT Subject: Peter Jackson (NJC) To: hell@ihug.co.nz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 142 Peter Jackson is a brilliant film maker and Heavenly Creatures is an excellent film. I used to write for a now defunct kids show that shot in New Zealand, a country we can see is very beautiful from watching XENA and HERCULES. THE LORD OF THE RINGS has the potential to be a great movie, and a beautiful one. The animated trilogy, begun but never finished by Ralph Bakshi, was really awful. NP: Mina - International, grazia Senore Lucatello! - --part1_dd.30e53b1.2626cf41_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 04:52:22 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Diva Question (VLJC) diva is italian for goddess. i think joni might qualify... ;-) wallyk > > Isn't the word "diva" a name given to an operatic singer, usually a > soprano? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 03:59:25 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: Spirit of Joni at the Open Mind night Hale fellow Jonists, I am patting myself on the back for having sung at *two* open mike nights here in Los Angeles this week -- and both times I did it with only one beer beforehand to calm my nerves. The next step is to relax while up there and learn to move my body and my guitar and not just stand there like a corn dog. Even so, I really like this. It's kind of like sex -- try it once, realize you can do it, and then you want to do it again the next day. For me it was a huge audience, about a hundred people. I can be on the shy side - -- I mean, I get self-concious in Mexican restaurants when the waiter brings me the sizzling platter of fajitas, so it was sort of a big deal. One thing about it is that I am oh-so-sure I am always the only gay guy at these places. One of the nice things about that is that I get to be around lots of musically inclined women which is refreshingly different if you live as close to West Hollywood as I do -- I mean, how many muscle queens can you look at after a while? Anyway, the next step for me is to out myself in one of my songs. I mean, you don't get noticed for being like everyone else. I went on second tonight, a little scary, but afterwards, a very cute girl came up to me and told me I did a great job, asked me what tuning I was in. I told her - it was DADEAD, capo third fret, for the guitarists here. Later, this girl went on and she was great -- smiling, relaxed, confidant and having a very good time. And very sexy -- even I could tell. She was playing an original song in some open tuning and I bet we might all hear her on the radio someday. Later, she joined this group of three other people that she called her family for another song. I heard familiar chords, but yet different -- it was FREE MAN IN PARIS for standard tuning. They sang the whole thing in four part harmony and they were great -- for the only time that night, the audience was clapping along and afterwards "the family" got a standing ovation. Other than the triumph of me actually having the huevos to sing my own song, it was the best most exciting part of the evening. One of the singers said to the still stomping crowd, "You just gotta love Joni" which made everyone applaud harder. And you do just have to love Joni. I feel sorry for people who can't. love, Clark NP: Mina, Italian songs. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:24:32 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: More on Joni and JMDL (NJC) Evian wrote: <> Oh, Evian, darling! I wouldn't be "torn," or even hesitate for a minute!!! You'd be toast!! ;-) Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:40:02 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Joni photos Here are a couple of photos I found. A nice head shot of Joni at the tribute show, and Joni kissing Elton John. The site I found is not publicly accessible, so I slapped the photos on my own web page. I really know little about creating web pages, so sorry if it's slow to load. http://www.enter.net/~messling/joni_tribute.html http://www.enter.net/~messling/joni_elton.html Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:10:40 +0100 From: mick Subject: UK Jonifest...Brighton...London? Been skimming of late so pls forgive and inform if there's one already organized but.... how about it? On a beach? In a pub? Loud Jonimusic in a public place? Small acorns anyone? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:11:40 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni photos <> Thanks Deb - they are SUPER! Especially the first one, Joni just looks SO pretty and happy... Bob NP: U2, "All I Want is You" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:22:17 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: "I'm your biggest fan" your letters to Joni Hi, Just testing the waters to see if there's enough interest in this little project. Remember about a year ago Marian kindly put together the JMDL cookbook and collected and included our Bios? Well, along those lines what about a book of fan mail for JONI? We could take the lines from her song Califonia and call it "I'm your biggest fan". I will be close enough to get it to her on 5/27. If I can get a guarantee of 25-30 letters I will definitely do this. You can gush as much as you want No one is going to see this except me for obvious and practical reasons and Joni. You can say what a particular song as meant to you, talk about meeting Joni? Joni people? A concert? How her music has become the soundtrack of your life or her lyrics your bible. Include a song you wrote for her a poem you wrote for her, etc. etc. etc If people want to give permission to have others read their stuff that's an option too. Anyways, I know a lot of us won't be able to make it to a concert. But your fan mail can! Warmly, - -Chili ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:45:54 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Star Wars definitelyNJC Jamie Zubairi wrote: > Hello, I just thought I'd add my tuppence to the pudding. > > I was actually IN The Phantom Menace. It was one of the first acting jobs I > got (ok so they cut the rest of my close-up but I'm not bitter!) > > If you happen to have a DVD version of it I am sitting at the back of a > landspeeder in uniform (I'm a goodie). It comes fairly close to the end in > the battle scene. Don't worry if you can't see me. I haven't either cuz I > don't have freezeframe dvd type thing. Alas, there is no DVD available of The Phantom Menace. A sore point being lamented at this moment. Oh Hollywood, thy name is money. Jerry np: Kenny Rankin - Because of You ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:24:13 -0400 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: FW: Diva Question (VLJC) Diva is indeed Italian for goddess (Diva as in divine, Diana, diviana and so on) however, unfortunately, in our culture the word "diva" has come to represent singers who do not write their own music and who sing cliche love songs. Joni is better than that. dax > -----Original Message----- > From: Wally Kairuz [SMTP:wallykai@interserver.com.ar] > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 3:52 AM > To: Joseph Palis; joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Diva Question (VLJC) > > diva is italian for goddess. i think joni might qualify... ;-) > wallyk > > > > > Isn't the word "diva" a name given to an operatic singer, usually a > > soprano? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:27:56 -0400 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: FW: Joni photos a few years back there was a lot of rambling about a Tribute album for Joni with singers such as The Rolling Stones, Sarah McLachlan and others on it. Does anyone know what happened with this? thanx dax > -----Original Message----- > From: Deb Messling [SMTP:messling@enter.net] > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 7:40 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Joni photos > > Here are a couple of photos I found. A nice head shot of Joni at the > tribute show, and Joni kissing Elton John. > > The site I found is not publicly accessible, so I slapped the photos on > my > own web page. I really know little about creating web pages, so sorry if > it's slow to load. > > http://www.enter.net/~messling/joni_tribute.html > > http://www.enter.net/~messling/joni_elton.html > > > > Deb Messling > messling@enter.net > http://www.enter.net/~messling/ > > ~there are only three kinds of people: > those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:58:27 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: FW: Diva Question (VLJC) "Carver, Dax" wrote: > Diva is indeed Italian for goddess (Diva as in divine, Diana, diviana and so > on) > > however, unfortunately, in our culture the word "diva" has come to represent > singers who do not write their own music and who sing cliche love songs. > > Joni is better than that. I'd have to say it has more to do with attitude than material. Maria Callas was Diva Supreme, and her arias were a step above cliche love songs. In fact, I'd venture to say the term originated from opera culture. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:04:36 -0400 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: RE: FW: Diva Question (VLJC) you are right, but I was referring to the present day use of the term, the Pop divas. i didn't mention the origin of the word in our culture dax > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Notaro [SMTP:notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu] > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 9:58 AM > To: Carver, Dax > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: FW: Diva Question (VLJC) > > "Carver, Dax" wrote: > > > Diva is indeed Italian for goddess (Diva as in divine, Diana, diviana > and so > > on) > > > > however, unfortunately, in our culture the word "diva" has come to > represent > > singers who do not write their own music and who sing cliche love songs. > > > > Joni is better than that. > > I'd have to say it has more to do with attitude than material. Maria > Callas was > Diva Supreme, and her arias were a step above cliche love songs. In fact, > I'd > venture to say the term originated from opera culture. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:12:30 -0400 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: RE: "I'm your biggest fan" your letters to Joni i'd do it! dax > -----Original Message----- > From: Chilihead2@aol.com [SMTP:Chilihead2@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 8:22 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: "I'm your biggest fan" your letters to Joni > > Hi, > > Just testing the waters to see if there's enough interest in this little > project. Remember about a year ago Marian kindly put together the JMDL > cookbook and collected and included our Bios? > > Well, along those lines what about a book of fan mail for JONI? We could > take > the lines from her song Califonia and call it "I'm your biggest fan". I > will > be close enough to get it to her on 5/27. If I can get a guarantee of > 25-30 > letters I will definitely do this. You can gush as much as you want No one > is > going to see this except me for obvious and practical reasons and Joni. > > You can say what a particular song as meant to you, talk about meeting > Joni? > Joni people? > A concert? How her music has become the soundtrack of your life or her > lyrics > your bible. Include a song you wrote for her a poem you wrote for her, > etc. > etc. etc > > If people want to give permission to have others read their stuff that's > an > option too. Anyways, I know a lot of us won't be able to make it to a > concert. But your fan mail can! > > Warmly, > -Chili > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:58:39 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: "I'm your biggest fan" your letters to Joni Chili I think this is a great idea but I was also thinking it might be better to save for a birthday gift in November so we have more time to get it together... Anyone else? Chilihead2@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > Just testing the waters to see if there's enough interest in this little > project. Remember about a year ago Marian kindly put together the JMDL > cookbook and collected and included our Bios? > > Well, along those lines what about a book of fan mail for JONI? We could take > the lines from her song Califonia and call it "I'm your biggest fan". I will > be close enough to get it to her on 5/27. If I can get a guarantee of 25-30 > letters I will definitely do this. You can gush as much as you want No one is > going to see this except me for obvious and practical reasons and Joni. > > You can say what a particular song as meant to you, talk about meeting Joni? > Joni people? > A concert? How her music has become the soundtrack of your life or her lyrics > your bible. Include a song you wrote for her a poem you wrote for her, etc. > etc. etc > > If people want to give permission to have others read their stuff that's an > option too. Anyways, I know a lot of us won't be able to make it to a > concert. But your fan mail can! > > Warmly, > -Chili > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:10:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Subject: warning re: coupons, concert lists/reviews - njc - --- mann@chicagonet.net wrote: > Catherine states: > > Most of these things are good > only in the US, so those of us who aren't there > can't > use the info and it only adds to the frustration of > being suckered in and then told we don't rate > > Laura dishes: > > EXCUUUUUSSSEEEE ME CATHERINE > But the Ben & Jerry's special was posted > because it was good WORLDWIDE! > > Laura getting those bandages > ready for cat scratches! rrrraaaaaarrrr! > PS: All in 'Good Humor' of course > (keeping the ice-cream thread going!!!) :-) > Well, you *couldn't* expect me to let that one go, eh? Do we really have Ben & Jerry up here? Maybe we do but I've never noticed... We've got Baskin Robbins. And up here, you'd have to spell it "Good Humour" ;) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:13:58 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: Re: "I'm your biggest fan" your letters to Joni Hi Phyliss, I am not going to be 2 feet from Joni on her Birthday. I may never be 2 feet away from Joni again. I appreciate your suggestion and I think it's a good one but whatever fan mail I have I am going to give her on 5/27. I don't think it will really take much time at all for me to compile these and this is a very articulate bunch. We can just keep adding to it and who knows by her Birthday it will be as big as the Oxford Dictionary. In that case we'll have to divide it up into little mini books anyway. ;-) - -Chili also about the cookbook iuniverse.com could print copies very reasonably if we ever wanted to sell them as a fundraiser. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:50:47 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni photos wow, deb!!! these pictures are so great! thanks! is that JT looking at Joni and Elton loving each other? wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:13:01 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: Andy Stancliffe Subject: Joni and Bjork I'm a little late chiming in on this, since I'm on digest, but I was also lucky enough to be at the Wiltern for the Stormy Weather Benefit, and unlike Kakki, didn't see a setlist, so I was unprepared for the duet. One of my favorite memories on that night, though, is Bjork's introduction of Joni. All the other singers were introduced by Ed Begley, Jr, who was emcee that night. After Bjork finished singing her two sings she said something along the lines of: "the organizers of the show tonight are spoiling me rotten. I get to introduce the gorgeousest woman of all -- Joni Mitchell!" Like Kakki said, the two of them obviously had a lot of fun singing together. It also reminded me of an interview I read with Bjork in Rolling Stone in 1993 or 1994, when she talked about how her parents had played Joni in the house when she was growing up, and Bjork said "Joni Mitchell is the genius of the century," which was what made me go out and start buying Bjork's albums. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:12:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: rosie - now NJC So nice to see this sort of silliness is taken in good spirit. I was just "kicking the dog", (so to speak - I would NEVER kick a dog. Another human, uh, yup, but not a doggie!) Someone had just blasted me for doing this, and I needed to take it out on someone. You just happened to wander on by at the right moment... (P.S., I wasn't implying that you're a dog - I'm sure you're a very handsome young man...) - --- Mike Friedman wrote: > EEK! Mea culpa NJC NJCNJC! :) > > ================================================================ > "Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" > "I think so, Brain, but how are we gonna find chaps > our size?" > > Mike Friedman > San Francisco, CA, USA > http://63.192.218.181 > > > From: Catherine McKay > > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:37:33 -0400 (EDT) > > To: Mike Friedman , > catman > > , > Siresorrow@aol.com > > Cc: joni@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: rosie - now NJC > > > > > > > > --- Mike Friedman > wrote: > >> Now don't get paranoid, dear. :-) > >> > >> > > Well, Mike Friedman, slap thy face! If that > wasn't an > > njc response to a jc e-mail, I don't think I've > ever > > seen one. By god, as a self-appointed born-again > jc vs > > non-jc type, I consider it my bounden duty to > chastise > > you *most* severely for that blatant breach of > e-mail > > etiquette. Just consider yourself lucky, my > friend, > > to have gotten off lightly this time - beware, the > njc > > police are *out there*! ;) > > > > ===== > > Catherine (in Toronto) > > catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at > http://mail.yahoo.ca > > > > > ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:15:11 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: "I'm your biggest fan" your letters to Joni (md) On the one hand I like the idea. On the other I think it would be nicer to have the envelopes containing the letters sealed coming from the writers so that Joni is literally the first to read them. I think this is better because it is after all fan-mail. If it was agreed that they all be in the same sized envelope (81/2x11 white or manilla) they would make a nice "package" and perhaps knowing that they were private people would feel comfortable opening up more as opposed to how they might write if they know that others are going to be reading them. Part of the thrill of receiving a letter is being able to open it. Just a thought. If Chili can deliver them they can just as easily be delivered sealed. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:22:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC - Shannon Curfman on Rosie - --- kerry wrote: > Has anyone heard Shannon Curfman yet? She will be > on Rosie tomorrow (April > 13). She's only 14 years old and is an incredible > blues/rock performer. > Not only does she have a great voice, her guitar > playing is unbelievable > too. (Must be rough, to be blessed with 2 gifts!!) > She does a version of > "The Weight" (by The Band) that's almost better than > the original!! > Oh please tell me you're just kidding! What's with the child prodigies? There's Charlotte Church, the little opera singer, and the various cute little girls who play a wicked violin. I'm sure some of them are remarkably talented but, speaking of "The Weight", what a weight to place on a young child to expose them in this way - how do they possibly follow through on this? I really worry that parents may be pushing their kids too hard. Let her be a genius, for goodness sake, but let her wait until she's old enough to expose her in this way. There are too many stage mamas and papas pushing these kids. It's frightening - - they need to have a normal childhood (whatever normal is, but it can't be performing in public like it's some kind of freak show.) Sorry to be so *vocal* about this and Kerry, I'm not picking on you - it's just the whole idea of "stars" getting progressively younger, whether it's tennis players, musicians, or chess masters. Maybe I was influenced by seeing "Hilary and Jackie" and the whole Jon-Benet Ramsay horror, and all those "child stars" who grew up to be drug-addicts, alcoholics, bank robbers and so on. I agree we should be nurturing our children's talents and gifts, but if you want them to be well-rounded humans as adults, they need more than this one thing they're prodigies at. Otherwise, I think they're being set up for a lifetime of depression and never believing they can live up to what's expected of them. What is this child going to do for Act II? ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:41:07 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Wahhh...a bit premature! In a message dated 04/13/2000 12:33:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, zapuppy2@webtv.net writes: << Well, thanks for wishing me luck with the KINK contest. It worked....but wrong night! >> Congratulations--sorry you didn't get the Martin, but the prizes you got sound good. << Screw it........ I think I'll be using my mother's name and phone number on Friday when they're giving away the Martin! ;~) >> As I say, all is fair in love and Joni! Go for it! Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:38:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: sunset pig - jlc - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > > go to Paris, rent a piano and put flowers in her > > > room? > > Alright, you two, when did Joni ever say anything > about renting a > grand piano & putting some flowers round her room in > *Paris*? > > Let's keep our lyrics straight puhlease! The Lyrics > Police are > lurking round every corner, you know! > > Mark in Seattle > "maybe I'll go to AMSTERDAM or maybe I'll go to ROME > and rent > me......" > Oh cripes - you're right! I'll never be able to live with myself now! (But do I have any choice?) "Sitting in a park in Paris France/ Reading the news and it sure look bad/ They won't give peace a chance/ Or maybe that was just a dream some of us had/ Still a lot of lands to see/ But I wouldn't want to stay here" and so on... OK, so maybe she didn't get the grand piano in Paris, but she was definitely doing the grand tour of Europe before heading back to California - it's just a matter of sequencing really. That's my excuse... ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:41:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Curad Bandages Hey, dude! You didn't put that njc tag in your line, did you? That's cuz I didn't put it in mine, and that's cuz the person who started this whole weird thread (suture?) didn't. I ain't takin' the fall alone, y'know. You're all coming with me! - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > There's also this new "zipper" - it may be just in > the > > research phase - that is supposed to be used in > place > > of sutures and so on for wounds. It works kind of > > like a bandage on the two sides of the skin that > are > > to be joined together, then you zip it up to draw > them > > together. > > Oh God! Yet another Tomlin attack! > > "If I sound contemptuous of Nature, I am. To think > we have the > garment industry to thank for the zipper concept. > When it would have > come in so handy for childbirth." > > -LT > > Mark in Seattle - who used to memorize a lot of > things when he was > younger - song lyrics, comedy routines, dialogue > from movies, the > theme song of the Patty Duke show... > > > ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:45:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Star Wars definitelyNJC - --- Jamie Zubairi wrote: > Hello, I just thought I'd add my tuppence to the > pudding. > > I was actually IN The Phantom Menace. It was one of > the first acting jobs I > got (ok so they cut the rest of my close-up but I'm > not bitter!) > > If you happen to have a DVD version of it I am > sitting at the back of a > landspeeder in uniform (I'm a goodie). It comes > fairly close to the end in > the battle scene. Don't worry if you can't see me. I > haven't either cuz I > don't have freezeframe dvd type thing. So, does that make you computer-generated? You mean, you're not a real person?? This artificial intelligence thing has come a loooonnng way - they sing, they talk, they post to the jmdl... ;) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:48:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: warning: post written by me re: Curad Bandages njc - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > how mel brooks!!!! doesn't this remind y'all of > young frankestein? > wallyk, getting ready to go skiing in less than a > day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > There's also this new "zipper" - it may be just in > the > > research phase - that is supposed to be used in > place > > of sutures and so on for wounds. See, the thing I could never figure out about that whole Frankenstein schtick is this: why did he need to go around cutting different parts off different cadavers and then sewing them back together again? Why didn't he just reanimate ONE dead guy and save himself some trouble? ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:49:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: travis njc - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > travis!!!! you are a real entity! > wallyk > > > > > > Travis, Mark's partner in Shoreline (where we > really live) Washington > > Naah, there really *IS* no Travis - that's just Mark's alter-ego. He's just *pretending* he's not alone... ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:53:48 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Diva Question (VLJC) If they're referring to Whitney Houston or (worse) Mariah Carey as a diva, you can be SURE it's being used recklessly! Dont' get me started on "Diva." It's a fun movie, and they're trying to remake it WITH WHITNEY HOUSTON IN THE LEAD ROLE!!!!! I have to go sit down now, I'm too upset. - -------------------------------------------------- "The human mind is like a piñata, break it open and it's full of surprises. Once you get the piñata perspective, you see that losing your mind can be a peak experience." - --Trudy (Lily Tomlin), in Jane Wagner's "The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe." > From: Joseph Palis > Reply-To: Joseph Palis > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:00:30 +0800 (JST) > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Diva Question (VLJC) > > > Isn't the word "diva" a name given to an operatic singer, usually a > soprano? So when they say diva in pop music, do they mean a singer in the > grand manner or they just use the word "diva" recklessly these days? > > IMHO, to call Joni a diva is naive (or its me who's naive ;-) > > > Joseph > (watched a great film last night with girlfriend called DIVA and features > a black soprano Wilhelmina Wiggins and an obssessed fan who stole her gown > for his own gratification). > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:59:01 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: njc Re: "I'm your biggest fan" your letters to Joni (md) <> When my son was in elementary school, I did lots of volunteer time going in to his classes and reading books, doing science experiments, trivia games, etc. In his fifth grade year, the teacher asked all the kids to write a thank-you note to me and she would compile them and put them in a scrapbook. Of course, I bawled like an infant when I read them, and I'll treasure that book forever. My point is not to pat myself on the back for volunteering in school, but to say that receiving the *project* meant more to me than receiving the notes and pictures individually would have. Maybe there's a happy medium where the messages can be collected and organized but still represent a group project... In any event, muchas gracias to Chili for taking the effort on - I intend to gush like the unabashed fan that I am! ;~) Bob NP: Van Halen, "Jump" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:59:46 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Joni photos (and tribute album) It supposed to come out this year. ====================================== Everybody here tonight must boogie And let me tell you, You are no exception to the rule - --A Taste of Honey, 1978 > From: "Carver, Dax" > Reply-To: "Carver, Dax" > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:27:56 -0400 > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: FW: Joni photos > > a few years back there was a lot of rambling about a Tribute album for Joni > with singers such as The Rolling Stones, Sarah McLachlan and others on it. > Does anyone know what happened with this? > > thanx > dax > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Deb Messling [SMTP:messling@enter.net] >> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 7:40 AM >> To: joni@smoe.org >> Subject: Joni photos >> >> Here are a couple of photos I found. A nice head shot of Joni at the >> tribute show, and Joni kissing Elton John. >> >> The site I found is not publicly accessible, so I slapped the photos on >> my >> own web page. I really know little about creating web pages, so sorry if >> it's slow to load. >> >> http://www.enter.net/~messling/joni_tribute.html >> >> http://www.enter.net/~messling/joni_elton.html >> >> >> >> Deb Messling >> messling@enter.net >> http://www.enter.net/~messling/ >> >> ~there are only three kinds of people: >> those who can count, and those who can't. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:11:11 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Diva Question (VLJC) (snip) >Joseph >(watched a great film last night with girlfriend called DIVA and features >a black soprano Wilhelmina Wiggins and an obssessed fan who stole her gown >for his own gratification). Diva's a fun movie. Somebody should do a remake with JM where some crazed fan steals her Miyake cape and uses it as a kite which then gets carried off by a seagull and Joni and crazed fan and some internet fan club get wondorously entangled their search for the cape and the awakening of shared emotions. Or something. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:15:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Lord of the Rings....Star Wars definitelyNJC Jason wrote: > > Now, you're lucky. I'm one of those who can take > our Lord (Lucas) > being dissed > > It's proabaly an *age* thing, or rather it's > mostly dependant on > whether you > > happened to be under 10 years old at the time, and > had no previous > movie > > experience of its kind. Then Mark or Travis - but we're not sure which one he was at the time - responded: > Well maybe comparing Tolkien to Star Wars is really > apples and > oranges. I was in my early 20's when the first SW > movie was released > and doing summer rep at the University of Northern > Iowa. So my > perspective on it is different from that of someone > who was a kid when > they saw it. The thing to do amongst the theatre > crowd that summer > was to get stoned & go see Star Wars. Markortravis expressed this so well. I too was in my 20s when I saw the first Star Wars, and I can appreciate a kid's point of view on this as being quite a bit different from that of a *sophisticated* young woman. (OK, we did sneak some beers into the theatre so forget the *sophisticated* bit) > > Getting back to the point, I don't mean to take > anything away from > Star Wars. As pure entertainment they are hard to > beat. [...] Sure they aren't great 'art' > but they weren't > meant to be. They were meant to capture the spirit > of the Saturday > matinee adventure movies of another era and they > succeeded in doing > that remarkably well, imo. You're right - they did that well- although, ironically, it's the parents of the kids who *loved* StarWars who would understand the serial/matinee movies angle. We used to watch Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon on TV - Lord knows when these were first made, but they were pretty old even then, and I imagine the budgets were substantially lower than the Star Wars ones! (That's part of their cheesy appeal - kind of like "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes" and the original "Godzilla" flicks.) [...] about Titanic. It's too bad the > writing was so > awful. And why they cast Leo in the role of the > dashing romantic > artist who sweeps the lovely Kate Winslet off her > feet is beyond me. > He looked like a 15 year old and had about as much > sex appeal as a wet > dishrag I don't get that either. You may need to get some advice on that from a 14-year old girl - although my 13-yr old daughter and her best friend call him Leonardo Decapitated, so don't ask them! >I think it's enough that they entertain or >impress. If they pretend to do something else or are >full of gratuitous violence & gross-out stuff, that's >another story. Neither Star Wars nor Titanic fit >that scenario, so I say, enjoy them & don't >worry about their not being 'art' or being too >'commercial' You're right - gourmet meals are good sometimes, but I enjoy my greasy snacks too. >I say don't let your snobbery get in the way of your >pleasure! Weren't we raised on snobbery? Lyrics police, where are you? ;) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:25:14 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni photos Deb-the pages were easy to load and quick. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:39:45 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Diva Question (VLJC) jan gyn wrote: > > > Diva's a fun movie. Somebody should do a remake with JM where some crazed > fan steals her Miyake cape and uses it as a kite which then gets carried Another Diva, Diana Ross, owns the rights to do an American version of the film. Jerry np: Bette Midler - For the Boys ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:38:32 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Diva Question (VLJC) >If they're referring to Whitney Houston or (worse) Mariah Carey as a diva, >you can be SURE it's being used recklessly! >Dont' get me started on "Diva." It's a fun movie, and they're trying to >remake it WITH WHITNEY HOUSTON IN THE LEAD ROLE!!!!! I have to go sit down >now, I'm too upset. Man that's lame. Although I like Whitney a little more since I found out she gets high. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:43:48 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni photos deb has asked me to post this: > BTW, I can't post to the list from work. Would you > mind telling the JMDL that the May issue of Downbeat > has a cover story on our Joan. Haven't had time to > read it yet, but it looks fantastic! > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:58:25 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Joni on The Today Show Has anyone heard when The Today Show will air the segment that Joni taped with Katie C. recently? I have E-mailed and called The Today Show, but I haven't gotten a response to my question. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:10:57 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on The Today Show Stephen, According to JM.com, this is up tomorrow!!! From 8 to 9, sometime in that slot, so time to crank up those VCR's again! I may just have to come in to work a little late, I'm already to feel a little scratchy in the throat, hack hack...;~D And thanks to Jim for doing a fabulous job of keeping up with all the media coverage on the JM website! Bob NP: Van Halen, "Beautiful Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:12:56 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on The Today Show In a message dated 04/13/2000 3:10:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy writes: << I may just have to come in to work a little late, I'm already to feel a little scratchy in the throat, hack hack...;~D Bob: Sorry to hear that you aren't feeling well :-) You MUST take it easy, or else. . . I would definitely recommend that you go into work a little late tomorrow. They say it is bad for a sore throat if you go to work before 9:00 a.m. :-) Thanks for letting me know about this--I guess I checked the homepage too early today (Or did I check it today?) << And thanks to Jim for doing a fabulous job of keeping up with all the media coverage on the JM website! >> I second this. Jim has done a wonderful job on the JM website and has really kept us up-to-date on JM media coverage! So some of us should check it more often. Wouldn't you say? :-) Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:48:38 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni on The Today Show So it would be Eastern time? Forgive my stupidity since I know they only say "It's now 15 minutes past the hour..." what hour? Where are you? Did the hour hand break off the clock? :-D I have class that hour so someone please tell me the right time. Gracias. NP-Grateful Dead, 6/12/76-Supplication >According to JM.com, this is up tomorrow!!! > >From 8 to 9, sometime in that slot, so time to crank up those VCR's again! - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:19:40 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: "Fleece Your Children" (NJC) The title of that Salon article just screams out, PARODY...and while I'm on a roll... FLEECE YOUR CHILDREN You who are on the road Must have a load That which you can buy And so indebt yourself Because the cash Is just a goodbye. Fleece your children well Because the sell Is just a good buy And feed, us in our greed Because we need A piece of your pie Don't you ever ask us why If we told you, you won't buy So just give it up and sigh And know we love you And you, of "boomer" years Provide the cheers Our portfolios grew by And so please help us with your dough Come see the show! So we can retire Fleece your pockets clean We really mean To bleed this thing dry And feed, us in our need CASH is our new creed The only one to grow by Don't you ever ask us why If we told you, you won't buy So just give it up and sigh And know we love you gdave©2000 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:41:10 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: in search of rare recordings (njc) I will pay a reasonable price for CD burnings of the following rarities: On the Sunny Side of the Street, as recorded by Art Tatum Bing Crosby Doris Day Ella Fitzgerald Nat Cole Oscar Peterson and Exactly Like You, as recorded by Coleman Hawkins Count Basie Dizzy Gillespie Stephane Grappelli Fletcher Henderson Woody Herman Oscar Peterson John Coltrane Marvin Gaye Frank Sinatra Please feel free to forward this request to any list you think might respond. Many thanks, DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:54:38 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Diva Question (VLJC) (md) Diva is one of my top ten movies of all time. A timeless priceless film with one of the single most beautiful songs in the history of music as the theme. The song is sung by Whillemina Fernandez I think and is called Theme Song from La Wally. Is that a real opera does anyone know?. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:54:51 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni photos In a message dated 4/13/2000 7:41:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, messling@enter.net writes: << Here are a couple of photos I found. A nice head shot of Joni at the tribute show, and Joni kissing Elton John. The site I found is not publicly accessible, so I slapped the photos on my own web page. I really know little about creating web pages, so sorry if it's slow to load. http://www.enter.net/~messling/joni_tribute.html http://www.enter.net/~messling/joni_elton.html >> Hey Deb, Thanks for sharing the pictures. I love the cat wall paper too!! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:13:44 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Diva Question (VLJC) (md) Yes, it is a real opera. It was written by Alfredo Catalani (Italy, 1854-93) in 1892. http://www.classiccd.co.uk/reference/works/c/catalani-lawally.html > An opera that hasn't been staged frequently, possibly because it calls for the > heroine Wally and her > lover to die on stage in an avalanche. > > Still, the aria from Act 1 has become one of the most popular in the > repertoire, helped by its use in the > film Diva. Wally has been ordered by her father to marry Gellner, but she is > in love with Hagenbach. > She resolves to leave home for love rather than be forced into marriage, and > this aria is the expression > of her feelings. > > Recordings of the complete opera are available but are few; the aria is the > highlight. Still, the tyrannical > conductor Arturo Toscanini was so enamoured of the opera that he called his > daughter Wally. We > don't know if she developed a taste for disobeying her father's orders. ================================================================ "Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?" "I think so, Brain, but how are we gonna find chaps our size?" Mike Friedman San Francisco, CA, USA http://63.192.218.181 > From: MDESTE1@aol.com > Reply-To: MDESTE1@aol.com > Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:54:38 -0400 (EDT) > To: jgyn@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us, joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Diva Question (VLJC) (md) > > Diva is one of my top ten movies of all time. A timeless priceless film with > one of the single most beautiful songs in the history of music as the theme. > The song is sung by Whillemina Fernandez I think and is called Theme Song > from La Wally. Is that a real opera does anyone know?. marcel deste > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:29:53 -0500 From: Patti Haskins Subject: April 15-21 TV Guide Hi All, Just got my new TV Guide out of the mailbox and there on page 59, full color picture, three page article regarding the Tribute show, entitled "Joni Looks At Life", written by Fred Goodman, author of the fine book "The Mansion On The Hill". Nothing surprising, a few new quotes. But TV Guide! They even have a boxed Close-Up on page 126 highlighting the show, but from wrong information; they list Chaka Khan as performing Hejira! Later Patti in Dallas (who after doing taxes realizes that she won't be traveling to Atlanta to Chastain and curses herself for falling in love with a Texan) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:10:58 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Lord of the Rings....Star Wars definitelyNJC Despite my rant, i did get awfully caught up in the *romance* of Titanic. In fact, i saw it twice in the cinema. It was literally an awesome film, i can't deny that. Mark, i echo your sentiment about enjoying a film for its entertainment value. GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:04:05 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Lord of the Rings....Star Wars definitelyNJC Jason, i appreciate the thought; Star Wars does have an emotional/nostalgiac feeling connected to it for some. And i'm not one to criticise a Star Wars fan considering i have long been a Star Trek fan(the TV series, not the movies)- each to his own, huh? but i can't appreciate that feeling, i was not even born when the first in the series was released. i did see two of them when re-released in the cinema. ihonestly found them boring, maybe because i knew what was going to happen, perhaps because i knew it was a great day outside :-) but i've never seen the Phantom Menace. i'll go rent it. BUT as the best franchise i have always been more impressed by the Alien movies. Sigourney is the woman!! and yes, the best of the series, IMHO, was the James Cameron one. GARRET (delighted because someone else like Pleasantville) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #188 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?