From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #186 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, April 12 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 186 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. --- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. --- Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund" with all donations going directly towards the upkeep of the website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds. it is now up to US to help Jim continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA. 01983 USA ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Concert Reviews ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: More on Joni and JMDL ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: More on Joni and JMDL ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Both Sides Now....Lord of the Rings NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] amazon sales trivia [Deb Messling ] Re: More on Joni and JMDL - NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Graham Nash's photos of Joni ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Concert Reviews (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: More on Joni and JMDL - NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Liquid Joni [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Concert Reviews (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Graham Nash's photos of Joni ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Re: Joni & Bjork [Jerry Notaro ] a joni/jt tidbit [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Joni & Bjork ["Garret" ] Lord of the Rings....Star Wars NJC ["Garret" ] Re: Lord of the Rings....Star Wars NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: turbulent indigo [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: turbulent indigo ["Reuben Bell" ] Opening Act [leslie@torchsongs.com] diva? [Bounced Message ] Re: Complete Poems and Lyrics [Bounced Message ] Re: More on Joni and JMDL [Catherine McKay ] Re: More on Joni and JMDL [Jerry Notaro ] Re: sunset pig - jlc [Catherine McKay ] Joni's charity auctions [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Joni & Bjork/Liz Fraser (SJC) ["Alison Einerson" ] Re: Lord of the Rings....Star Wars NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Curad Bandages - oops, NJC [Catherine McKay ] visit with Ashara [Anne Sandstrom ] warning re: coupons, concert lists/reviews - njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: rosie - now NJC [catman ] Re: rosieNJC [catman ] Re: rosie - now NJC [Catherine McKay ] JMDLer Fred Simon's CD [Scott and Jody ] Re: More on Joni and JMDL ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: JMDLer Fred Simon's CD [FredNow@aol.com] parody [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Parody [FredNow@aol.com] Re: More on Joni and JMDL (VLJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:07:07 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Concert Reviews Deb wrote: >I figure at some point I'm going to have to stop reading the concert posts >until after MY concert. I'll save 'em all to read later, though. I can't speak for anyone else outside the US, but personally, since I won't get to see any shows, and it's fairly unlikely that Joni will tour in New Zealand (!), I'd like to hear anything and everything about these shows as soon as possible! But in saying that, I respect the fact that concert-goers may wish to be surprised, so keeping the subject heading relevant becomes fairly important - not that we EVER stray from the topic here ;o) Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:10:39 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: More on Joni and JMDL Kakki wrote: > I've noticed that some > other artist discussion lists have distinct nicknames, like the CSN "Lee > Shore" and the Neil Young "Rusties". Maybe we should come up with something > more memorable that she can refer to, like the "Turbulent Indigos" or > something ;-) > to which Kimmy replied: >We're more like the "Impossible Dreamers" I was actually thinking about this the other day, because although the JMDL is well known to us, to anyone else it doesn't really mean a lot. I vote for "The People's Party" - flags of many countries ... some are friendly, some are cutting, some are watching it from the wings, some of them standing in the centre - giving to get something. Pretty much sums us up perfectly, I'd say! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:12:36 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: More on Joni and JMDL Jimmy also wrote: >I don't think Evian will be able to attend. He'll be in the middle of >writing another term paper. I'll have to go in his place :-) I'd be very careful about offering to trade places with Evian on this one, given what he "pledged" to do if Joni ever came to Saskatoon! I'm sure that was Kakki's motive in ensuring he attends! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:19:26 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Both Sides Now....Lord of the Rings NJC Mark wrote: >If Jackson is at all successful at capturing Tolkien's amazingly >detailed world and giving a faithful rendition of the characters and >the story, I predict that these films are going to blow the Star Wars >movies off the map as far as fantasy/myth-making type of films go. >The source is so incredibly rich. Not at all like the cardboard >cut-out characters & formulaic stories from that galaxy, far, far away >(in spite of the fact that Star Wars borrows heavily from Tolkien).... I agree entirely. I'm just in the process of re-reading The Lord of the Rings, since I "lost" my copy to my brother about 10 years ago! But I have a lot of faith in Peter Jackson as a film-maker, and think he'll do a credible job. I get the impression that he's the sort of guy that if he can't do it right, then he won't do it. And believe me, you'll be blown away by the NZ scenery, given the places he's been filming! Mind you, there's been very little in the news here about the movie - a few sneaky shots of Elijah Wood (with big hairy feet!) on a break in filming, that sort of thing - so I can't give you any "insider" gossip! Another Peter Jackson film that I highly recommend is "Heavenly Creatures" - Kate Winslet's first film as a teenager. It deals with the true story of Pauline Parker and Juliet Hume, who were convicted of the murder of Pauline's mother in 1955 in Christhchurch, NZ. I thought Jackson dealt with the subject very, very well - didn't trivialise it, but didn't sensationalise it, either. Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:25:27 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: all this attention Kate wrote: >Yesterday as my eleven-year-old son, Emil, and I - barely breathing, and >immensely thrilled - watched Joni on Rosie, my husband commented that it >seemed strange to him that Joni is getting all this media coverage and >rave reviews (like never before, he figures) for an album that is not >her own songs. I said it was probably because she has hired a new >publicist and is taking a different approach to hyping herself in the >media than she has with past albums, but I have been thinking about this >and wondering what you guys think. Could it be because the old standards >she has covered are simpler songs than her own, as she mentioned on >Rosie yesterday, so that they are more palatable to the non-Joni >connoisseur? I agree with others who've mentioned the fact that this has been on Joni's "wish-list" for quite some time, and it's a subject dear to her heart, but I wonder if some of it is simply because it's not her songs. By that I mean, not only did she not write them (except for two, I know), but she doesn't play anything, just sings (understatement!). Maybe she's tired of having to defend not only the delivery of the songs, but the songs themselves, ie. the lyrics, the music, the arrangement, etc., etc., whereas this time, she was part of a group effort. And let's face it, everyone already knows the songs are good (including her own) so all the critics can criticise is the delivery, and there hasn't been very much of that! Instead of being the "solo-mother" of an album, she's one of a whole tribe of parents, aunts, and uncles giving their child to the world! Hell - feeling metaphoric for some strange reason! _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 06:35:38 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: amazon sales trivia I don't know what this means, but Amazon says that BSN is popular with these groups: Education America Online New York Hotmail Corporation United Kingdom California Texas Los Angeles Metro Area AT&T The New York Times Company Long Beach, CA Jamaica Plain, MA Provincetown, MA Carmel, CA Sebastopol, CA Health Maintenance Organizations Stony Brook, NY Health maintenance organizations???? Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:36:10 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: More on Joni and JMDL - NJC Answering my own posts now, that's got to be a bad thing! But I said Kimmy, when I meant Jimmy, so I thought I should apologise: >to which Kimmy replied: > >>We're more like the "Impossible Dreamers" OK, so it's late, and I'm tired, and the J is next to the K! Anyhoop, sorry Kimmy... I mean Himmy...oops, Mimmy. NO! Jimmy! Going to quit now, before I really make a fool of myself! Jell in Bew Sealand _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:49:30 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Graham Nash's photos of Joni Recently posted to the Lee Shore (CSN discussion list) was the address for Graham Nash's website, where there are a couple of photos of Joni, and several of James Taylor, Stills, Crosby, Young, etc. Quite interesting. http://www.nashnet.com/friends.html Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:10:30 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Concert Reviews (NJC) Helen wrote: << I can't speak for anyone else outside the US, but personally, since I won't get to see any shows, and it's fairly unlikely that Joni will tour in New Zealand (!), I'd like to hear anything and everything about these shows as soon as possible! >> and previously, the very same Helen wrote: OK, I don't know if I'm talking to the Good Hell or the Bad Hell, but you better be nice or we won't share any concert reviews or our toys. :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:22:00 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: More on Joni and JMDL - NJC Hell writes: << OK, so it's late, and I'm tired, and the J is next to the K! Anyhoop, sorry Kimmy... I mean Himmy...oops, Mimmy. NO! Jimmy! >> It's so nice to see they finally got the 45 to Shirley Ellis' "The Name Game" down in New Zealand. I guess you really do get things last down there. LOL banana fana fo, fee fi mo Mimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:25:07 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Liquid Joni Welcome to April's Liquid Music Mail, this issue sponsored by > Affiliate of the Week, Blacksound.com. Click the links below to > sample the tunes (remember, you'll need the Player to listen). If you > like what you hear, you can download the track easily. For free downloads, > > simply click the 'Free Download' button on the top right side of the > Player. For paid downloads, click the 'Buy Download' button. 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Backed by a 70-piece orchestra, > " Both Sides Now," reveals a Joni Mitchell you've never heard before. > _____________________________________________ > > Lou Reed - "Future Farmers Of America" - Reprise > There are only a handful of genuine rock artists. Lou Reed is one. > "Ecstasy," in stores April 4th, is the latest leap for an artist who > continues to astonish with wit and joy, with poetry and the drive of > rock 'n' roll. Check out this free download of " Future Farmers > Of America." > _____________________________________________ > > Charli Baltimore - "Feel It" - Untertainment > Philadelphia native and rapper Charli Baltimore is set to impress. > Her self-titled debut album is available only through Liquid Audio > and features such big name guest artists as Ghostface Killah, > Cam'ron, Noreaga, Big Pun, Da Brat, Silkk The Shocker and many > others. 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Jerry np: Betty Buckley - The Very Thought of You ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:25:06 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Concert Reviews (NJC) Let me try this again! << Helen wrote: << I can't speak for anyone else outside the US, but personally, since I won't get to see any shows, and it's fairly unlikely that Joni will tour in New Zealand (!), I'd like to hear anything and everything about these shows as soon as possible! >> and previously, the very same Helen wrote: I don't like any of you any more, and I'm not talking to you either, and I might even hold my breath until I turn blue. So there! OK, I don't know if I'm talking to the Good Hell or the Bad Hell, but you better be nice or we won't share any concert reviews or our toys. :~) Jimmy >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:26:03 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: Graham Nash's photos of Joni Sorry that link is no good. Try instead http://nashnet.com/friends2.html I particularly liked the shoot of Joni by Graham. Notice the heart shaped shaft of light on Joni's neck. "Helen M. Adcock" wrote: > Recently posted to the Lee Shore (CSN discussion list) was the address for > Graham Nash's website, where there are a couple of photos of Joni, and > several of James Taylor, Stills, Crosby, Young, etc. Quite interesting. > > http://www.nashnet.com/friends.html > > Hell > _______________________________ > "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with > available extremes" - Carole King > > hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:33:55 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni & Bjork GuruDJSmithmix@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone on this list have the duet of Joni & Bjork "What is this thing > called love" that she talked about with Rosie Monday? This would be an ultra > cool song for the tree! There is talk of an extended Stormy Monday coming out for sale. With the success of BSN, surely it will be on it. Jerry np: Betty Buckley - A Case of You ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:52:14 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: a joni/jt tidbit Reading the review of the tribute reminded me of a small piece of Joni information I don't believe I've shared with all of you. A former boyfriend of mine had the opportunity to visit with James Taylor's mother (that's a long story in itself...). Anyway, she was very gracious and made my boyfriend feel quite at home. This was when James and Carly were married. Interesting, though, Mrs. Taylor's home had a wall of photos - with many of Joni and James together and none of Carly! She spoke very warmly of Joni and obviously had tremendous affection for her. so, a little trivia for all of you... Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:43:41 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Joni & Bjork GuruDJSmithmix wrote: >>Does anyone on this list have the duet of Joni & Bjork "What is this thing called love" that she talked about with Rosie Monday? This would be an ultra cool song for the tree! HUH? I can't even imagine what this would sound like. Wow, what an amazing thought!!! Bjork *and* Joni! Bjork is one of the most talented innovators in recent music!! She has always took risks and recorded out of artistic integrity rather than a desire to sell millions- a trait she seems to share with Joni. I have heard that she recorded an as yet untitled song with Thom Yorke of Radiohead(whose new album is due out in October/november). It will appear on a soundtrack to a film in which Bjork stars as a Czech refugee or something, 90% of the music is written and performed by Miss Gutmundsdottir herself. Perhaps the Joni duet will turn up in that soundtrack!! Did i hear something somewhere about Bjork appearing on a Joni tribute album?? What will she sing? Who else will be on it? And while i'm at it; is there even a tentative release date? GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:16:11 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Lord of the Rings....Star Wars NJC Mark wrote , I predict that these films are going to blow the Star Wars > movies off the map as far as fantasy/myth-making type of films go. > The source is so incredibly rich. Not at all like the cardboard > cut-out characters & formulaic stories from that galaxy, far, far away > (in spite of the fact that Star Wars borrows heavily from Tolkien).... Well, i've never liked Star Wars, have always been more of a Star Trek kind of guy myself. Even as a child i was bored to sleep by the Star Wars films (of course, i had *all* the action figures) so hopefully Lord of the Rings films will oversahdow it, as per your prediction!! It wasn't me who posted the LOTR links, but Chris in Cambridge. I too followed them and it certainly sounds like it could be a spectacular production. I've not read the books yet though, and since i heard of the films i had intended to read before the cinema release. I bought this huge thick hardback copy of LOTR recently and was going to hold it until summer when i go to USA (got my work permit!!), but your love of it has prompted me to read it as soon as i finish Lord Of the Flies. (which isn't shaping up to be as "classic" as i'd been led to believe). GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:15:03 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Lord of the Rings....Star Wars NJC I bought this huge > thick hardback copy of LOTR recently and was going to hold it until summer > when i go to USA (got my work permit!!), but your love of it has prompted me > to read it as soon as i finish Lord Of the Flies. (which isn't shaping up to > be as "classic" as i'd been led to believe). > GARRET Although not absolutely necessary, you should start by reading 'The Hobbit' first. It's a quick read and will make some things much clearer when you read the trilogy. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:17:43 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni & Bjork (now njc) I just got Bjork's Volumen on DVD. She is amazing. Jerry np: Victor/Victoria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:33:42 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: turbulent indigo In a message dated 04/11/2000 8:38:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pholden@iprimus.ca writes: << Just listening to TI and thinking....when it was first released, I heard that included in the package was a little plastic vangogh ear included...is this true? Does anyone know? Did anyone get one? Ive got the cardboard packaging that came out before the plastic version, but alas, no ear. >> The ears were made of tin, and were, I think, for promotional purposes. I remember that she gave one to David Letterman when she was on his show promoting TI. I don't know of anyone who found an ear in a CD that was purchased from any retail outlet. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:04:18 PDT From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: turbulent indigo I found one on ebay last week, but was outbidded by someone in the last 30 seconds. I was sore, but can't monitor everything from work as closely as I'd like to! It looked pretty cool in the picture; I thought it was a great sort of wry Joni promotional item. I don't recall anyone on the list finding one in a disc...I have a feeling that they were only included with true promo mailings. Shame, cuz' we would have eaten them up. By the way, the tin ear went for around $15 on ebay. Reuben np: George Michael: Best of ><< Just listening to TI and thinking....when it was first > released, I heard that included in the package was a > little plastic vangogh ear included...is this true? > Does anyone know? Did anyone get one? Ive got the > cardboard packaging that came out before the plastic > version, but alas, no ear. >> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 08:11:26 -0700 (PDT) From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: Opening Act I must confess it was I who asked about an opening act. On second thought, "I heard it in the wind" that Jackson Browne will be the opener.... :-) Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:04:24 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: diva? Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:07:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Stoy "I have been waiting and waiting for someone to remark on JM calling herself a diva yesterday on Rosie." Me too!! When I hear the word diva, it now makes me think of Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, et al... YUCK YUCK YYYYYUCK. My apologies if that offends somebody out there, but it made me shudder to think of them in the same class as Joni. Of course, she was most likely not using the word to connote the VH1 Divas. Loved "Full Size Now" :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:04:58 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Complete Poems and Lyrics From: "Alan Lorimer" Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:55:42 +1000 Joni Mitchell's "Complete Poems and Lyrics" is on sale at Barnes & Nobles on line store for $US7.98. Although the title is misleading (according to reviews elsewhere it only has lyrics for songs and no other content) this still has to be great value for a good quality hardback book. I believe that this offer had been mentioned several months previously, but it wasn't available at this price on-line just at selected stores in the states. This is an especially good value for people in the US. My copy is costing me $AUS23 including shipping by surface which takes 2 to 3 months to Tassie! Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:19:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: More on Joni and JMDL - --- Kakki wrote: > In discussing whether Joni knows the JMDL, I left > out the most important > "proof" of all. By my recall and count, Joni has > met around 40 listmembers, > both individually and in large representative > groups, in Detroit, L.A. and > Atlanta in the past couple of years. I can > understand if she only met a > couple people from the list but upwards of 40 people > would be remembered. > There might be some wondering as to why she referred > to us as her "internet > community", which sounds sort of generic, in the > recent interview. It may > be because that is easier shorthand for the general > public to understand > rather than making reference to a "discussion list." Actually, as a member of this list but someone who skulked around jonimitchell.com for at least a year or 2 before signing onto the discussion list, it took me quite a while to recognize that there was more than one website. Even now, I tend to confuse the two in my mind - so, for someone who doesn't own a computer, I think Joni can be forgiven for this! I do like the idea of having a name other than "the discussion list" but am fresh out of ideas as to what that might be. I suppose we'd have to have a vote on it and it would be cause for some serious debating, not to mention the usual name-calling and brawling - ooh, sounds like fun! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:44:56 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: More on Joni and JMDL Catherine McKay wrote: > Actually, as a member of this list but someone who > skulked around jonimitchell.com for at least a year or > 2 before signing onto the discussion list, it took me > quite a while to recognize that there was more than > one website. Even now, I tend to confuse the two in > my mind - so, for someone who doesn't own a computer, > I think Joni can be forgiven for this! As an old timer, I'd say we consider both to be one, though technically they are not. Jerry np: Diane Schuur - In Tribute p.s. Saw Diana Krall last night. She was wonderful. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:42:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: sunset pig - jlc - --- Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > Catherine, you wouldn't be pulling our collective > leg about that Greek myth, > would you? Doesn't the song begin "sittin' in a > park in Paris, France...?" > And isn't it from the same album where she was going > to say goodbye to Cary, > go to Paris, rent a piano and put flowers in her > room? > > I think the ouzo was cheaper than you want us to > give it credit for. DAVID > LAHM Well, first she met this redneck on a Grecian isle who did the goat dance very well. (She was doing the Europe gig.) Also, you have NO idea how much ouzo Joni can pack away! Cheap as it is, it isn't water, so you've got to set aside a little cash for it. And besides, if you decide to stop in in Paris, maybe to do a little shopping for Miyakey, and rent a grand piano and keep the room filled with flowers, you've got to get your priorities in line. That pig-kissing thing came in might handy at the time! and what the hell - if it works, great; if it doesn't, all you've got is pig-slime on your lips! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:24:30 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Joni's charity auctions I try not to plug eBay too much, but there are a couple of signed Joni items available. I didn't hear any mention of the charity auctions during the interview. It's really good to see that Joni has taken part in these charity auctions though! Signed poster of the BSN painting: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=305540899 Signed copy of the 1974 TIME magazine: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=305480680 NP-New Bohemians, 10/23/99-Good Times - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:43:37 -0600 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Joni & Bjork/Liz Fraser (SJC) when joni mentioned the Bjork duet, my sister and i just looked at each other in amazement...wow! that would be very cool to hear. i really love bjork, and have since the sugarcubes. which i was also about the time that i was obsessed with Cocteau Twins. Liz Frasier is one of the most incredible vocalists around. truly enchanting and unique. >Does anyone on this list have the duet of Joni & Bjork "What is this thing >called love" that she talked about with Rosie Monday? This would be an ultra >cool song for the tree! HUH? I can't even imagine what this would sound like. >Makes me want to imagine Joni doing a duet with my second favorite singer in >the world, Elizabeth Fraser (Former "Cocteau Twins" singer, presently working >on solo album) Now that would be interesting to say the least! Anyone on this >list ever heard of The Cocteau Twins? I'm sure all my fellow gayboys on here >have! Liz Fraser is also considered a gay diva of sorts, amongst the >alternative fans. If you are adventurous pick up Victorialand or Four >Calendar cafe by the Cocteau Twins! You will never hear a more ethereal, >gorgeous, and original voice like this! >Dreaming of Joni, > Guru DJ Smithmix > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:41:01 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Opening Act NJC At 08:11 AM 4/12/00 -0700, leslie@torchsongs.com wrote: >I must confess it was I who asked about an opening act. > >On second thought, "I heard it in the wind" that Jackson >Browne will be the opener.... No problem Leslie...you're not to blame.... Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:54:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Lord of the Rings....Star Wars NJC > Mark wrote > , I predict that these films are going to blow the > Star Wars > > movies off the map as far as fantasy/myth-making > type of films go. > > The source is so incredibly rich. Not at all like > the cardboard > > cut-out characters & formulaic stories from that > galaxy, far, far away > > (in spite of the fact that Star Wars borrows > heavily from Tolkien).... >--- Garret wrote: > Well, i've never liked Star Wars, have always been > more of a Star Trek kind > of guy myself. Even as a child i was bored to sleep > by the Star Wars films When I saw the first Star Wars film, I liked it. When I saw it again, I realized it's all form and no substance, all special effects, no story or characterization. This got steadily worse with each sequel and is totally outdone in its flashiness by the prequel, which, when you remove the action scenes, has pretty much no plot at all and is an awful waste of some fine and highly paid acting talent - they could've hired Joe the Bum off the street to do half the characters and nothing would have been lost. I will also admit something that may seem really weird: "action" scenes, such as all those bloody starships racing around blasting one another to the next galaxy put me to sleep - would that be a form of narcolepsy? Too much excitement and I crash? All I can say is laughing gas makes me cry and, though I'm right-handed, I'm a lefty at certain sports (which may explain why I'm such a klutz at them, but I've never even been able to do it the other way, so maybe it's just me being wired weird!) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:54:58 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Opening Act <> I'm sure this is NOT true...I caught Jackson here in Greenville Sunday night, more about that later. His show was ONLY him, with his array of acoustic guitars and a piano. (The exact setup I'd love to see Joni in someday) Anyway, I suppose it's possible but isn't there some bad blood between Jackson & Joni over the whole "Not to Blame" thing? Maybe not, I hope not. They'd certainly be a better combo on tour than Dylan and Joni, not a slam on the Bobster, just that his show and his audience doesn't intersect much with Joni and hers. Also, I was driving at lunch to the post office (many of you now have boxes and envelopes on the way), and the radio (NPR station) played "Stormy Weather" from BSN! Very cool to hear this on the air! Sometimes, even with the popularity of Joni these days, it still seems like she remains "our little secret", so it surprises me when someone out there in radioland is picking up on her... Bob NP: U2, "Do You Feel Loved" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:58:34 -0700 (PDT) From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: Opening Act The Jackson Browne reference was a joke - hence the :-) Yes there is definitely bad blood between Joni & Jackson... Just Kidding, Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:58:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Curad Bandages - --- mann@chicagonet.net wrote: > Catherine, > > you wrote: > I thought these > bandages were actually able to melt into your skin, > or > do some kind of osmosis or chameleon thing so they > actually became one with your skin > > There is a product called New-Skin Antiseptic Liquid > Bandage that is a CLEAR liquid that you apply to the > skin. > You can see what it is here: > http://www.drugstore.com/products/13278.asp?pid=13278&catid=722 That COULD actually come in kind of handy. I've been told that Crazy Glue was originally meant to do this kind of thing - I sometimes use the crazy glue and a bit of teabag fabric method to repair my fingernails (a solution suggested to me by my guitar teacher). There's also this new "zipper" - it may be just in the research phase - that is supposed to be used in place of sutures and so on for wounds. It works kind of like a bandage on the two sides of the skin that are to be joined together, then you zip it up to draw them together. After a week or so, or however long it should take for the skin to re-attach, they just pull off the bandaid (youch!) and voila - a neat little scar without any suture marks. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:00:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Curad Bandages - oops, NJC All this talk about bandages now.. I forgot to put NJC on my last post. Of course, now that I've added it to THIS one, the NJCers won't see it. C'est la vie. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:10:05 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Curad Bandages (NJC) Catherine writes: << There's also this new "zipper" - it may be just in the research phase - that is supposed to be used in place of sutures and so on for wounds. >> That certainly would bring new meaning to the question "Could you help me with my zipper?" :) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:20:44 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: rosie Now don't get paranoid, dear. :-) - -- I'm porous with travel fever But I'm so glad to be on my own. - --Joni Mitchell, Hejira, 1976. > From: catman > Reply-To: catman > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:56:07 +0100 > To: Siresorrow@aol.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: rosie > > >> >> and for catman, i'll relay this as well. joni said that the standard songs >> were pretty easy to get together because they are made for singing and any >> singer can do them. but her songs are not really and i quote her "singer's >> songs". joni said her songs are more theatrical. they are "wordy", and to >> sing them involves something other than a good voice. it's more a form of >> acting, to communicate the emotions of her words to the music. when she >> sings her songs, for her, it's not a singer's role, but more an actor's role. > > Okay, so WHO sent her my emails on the subject?! >> > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:24:43 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: visit with Ashara Hi everyone. Ashara just came and visited for a while. She even went out to get us salads for lunch, which we enjoyed while listening to (what else?) BSN. It was so wonderful to see her. Ashara, you're the best! Getting together with other list members is always so special. And I'm so lucky to be near quite a few of you and to have shared evenings like the Jimmy Webb concert. I can't begin to tell you how much Ashara's visit means to me. We talked about Joni - she even brought me the People magazine article - and our own musial 'careers.' We reminisced about learning to play Peter, Paul and Mary songs at first. And, of course, when we first learned about Joni. What a great visit! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:31:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: warning re: coupons, concert lists/reviews - njc Ok, maybe it's just because I just got lambasted (actually, gently reminded, but I happen to like the word lambasted) by another lister for not putting njc on my response to yet another lister about bandages and other gross surgical-type things, I want to kvetch about something. If people are going to send bunches of coupon suggestions, maybe they could add a "coupon warning" to their e-mail header. Most of these things are good only in the US, so those of us who aren't there can't use the info and it only adds to the frustration of being suckered in and then told we don't rate. Stop reminding us that we *don't* live in the greatest country in the world, fergodsake. Just add this to the list of "Warning - concert information", "gay content", "Madonna content", "Christians vs Lions content", "audiophile content" - honest to God, Jim Lamadoo, I never know what the HELL you're talking about but, since you really SOUND like YOU *do*, I know who I'M going to talk to if I'm ever in the market for a new stereo - don't say I didn't warn ya;) Maybe we could ask Les to "force" us to complete a checklist before we're allowed to send e-mails that would reject them if we didn't totally conform by filling out the information properly - warnings such as "Your form cannot be submitted due to your failure to tick off the JC/NJC box." (I'm kidding, Les, so please sit back down!) In fact, while we're at it, how about some more taglines that could possibly be used, "warning - contains countdown list", "warning - contains request to submit your vote for the best of..."; "warning - contains grammar mistakes"; "warning - bad speling kontent"; "WARNING - THIS E-MAIL ALL IN CAPS"; "warning this email writer can't find doesnt like shiftkey andor punctuation signs on hisher keyboard". And so on. Yes, as a matter of fact, I am in a bad mood (no, not THAT bad!) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:32:54 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Opening Act NJC <> Sorry for me not picking up on that...anyway, Jackson Browne was WONDERFUL!! Joni may have a bone to pick with him, but I've always liked his stuff, including his 90's work, which hasn't gotten the credit it has deserved - like Joni's! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:37:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: rosie - now NJC - --- Mike Friedman wrote: > Now don't get paranoid, dear. :-) > > Well, Mike Friedman, slap thy face! If that wasn't an njc response to a jc e-mail, I don't think I've ever seen one. By god, as a self-appointed born-again jc vs non-jc type, I consider it my bounden duty to chastise you *most* severely for that blatant breach of e-mail etiquette. Just consider yourself lucky, my friend, to have gotten off lightly this time - beware, the njc police are *out there*! ;) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:30:19 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: rosie - now NJC Cathy-is TOM visiting? If so it should be more regular-you are funny! ps do you think Mike knows something about me? Catherine McKay wrote: > > --- Mike Friedman wrote: > > Now don't get paranoid, dear. :-) > > > > > Well, Mike Friedman, slap thy face! If that wasn't an > njc response to a jc e-mail, I don't think I've ever > seen one. By god, as a self-appointed born-again jc vs > non-jc type, I consider it my bounden duty to chastise > you *most* severely for that blatant breach of e-mail > etiquette. Just consider yourself lucky, my friend, > to have gotten off lightly this time - beware, the njc > police are *out there*! ;) > > ===== > Catherine (in Toronto) > catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca > > _______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:32:40 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: rosieNJC Mike Friedman wrote: > > Now don't get paranoid, dear. :-) Who told you i was paranoid? It isn't true. Not a bit. I know they really DO hate me and they ARE after me so please just don't tell anybody where I live...especially that Joni...she is hot for me...so I am told...oh my god...there goes my door bell...shit they're heeeere.... > > -- > I'm porous with travel fever > But I'm so glad to be on my own. > > --Joni Mitchell, Hejira, 1976. > > > From: catman > > Reply-To: catman > > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:56:07 +0100 > > To: Siresorrow@aol.com > > Cc: joni@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: rosie > > > > > >> > >> and for catman, i'll relay this as well. joni said that the standard songs > >> were pretty easy to get together because they are made for singing and any > >> singer can do them. but her songs are not really and i quote her "singer's > >> songs". joni said her songs are more theatrical. they are "wordy", and to > >> sing them involves something other than a good voice. it's more a form of > >> acting, to communicate the emotions of her words to the music. when she > >> sings her songs, for her, it's not a singer's role, but more an actor's role. > > > > Okay, so WHO sent her my emails on the subject?! > >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:46:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: rosie - now NJC - --- catman wrote: > Cathy-is TOM visiting? If so it should be more > regular-you are funny! > > ps do you think Mike knows something about me? > > Catherine McKay wrote: > > > > --- Mike Friedman > wrote: > > > Now don't get paranoid, dear. :-) > > > > > > Well, now I'm paranoid - or maybe just stoopid! Who is TOM? ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:08:24 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: JMDLer Fred Simon's CD Kakki, Jimmy and Jerry have all recommended our Fred Simon's, "Songs of My Youth" CD. I would also like to chime in by saying it is indeed, an incredible piece of work! Fred is such a talented musician. The other day a friend came over on a rainy and gloomy day. I had been listening to Fred and after " Michael from Mountains"had ended, she said,"What an appropriate song for a rainy day like today, you can just feel the rain" I was blown away as my friend does not know Joni's music at all, and had associated that song with rain! When I've listened to Fred's rendition of that song, I've sensed the rain, but I've attributed that to knowing what MFM is about. That is worth 100 Bravos, that Fred is able to convey that feeling to a non Joni listener! Can that man emote or what?! I encourage everyone to drop Fred an e. and give this CD a listen. In case you've missed previous posts, Fred's "Songs Of My Youth, Vol. I. renditions are as follows: Both Sides Now For Free Michael From Mountains Blackbird (Lennon/McCartney) Julia " " Here, There and Everywhere " " For No One " " The Times They Are A'Changin' (Dylan) Maurice (Fred Simon) Ode To Joy ( Beethoven) jody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:20:43 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: More on Joni and JMDL Catherine in Toronto wrote > I do like the idea of having a name other than "the discussion list" > but am fresh out of ideas as to what that might be. When I am telling friends/co-workers about Mark's travels to Joni concerts and JMDL git togethers I just refer to y'all as "Mark and his Joni People". Most of them can't believe that folks travel from far away places to celebrate all things Joni. Travis, Mark's partner in Shoreline (where we really live) Washington NP: The local noon news on TV. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:26:54 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDLer Fred Simon's CD In a message dated 4/12/00 2:08:56 PM, johnsonjs@earthlink.net writes: >Kakki, Jimmy and Jerry have all recommended our Fred Simon's, "Songs of >My Youth" CD. I would also like to chime in by saying it is indeed, an >incredible piece of work! Jody, Jody, Jody ... thanks so much for your heartfelt endorsement; I'm really glad you dug the music ... that's why I do it. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:29:59 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: parody I forwarded gdave's parody to my 83 year old dad who is always fighting his weight (it's genetic, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it). Anyway, here is his response...warning: He's a very poor typist... this par4ody is realy great i like it better than original love dad g Phyliss, embarassed by her father again at almost 45 years old ; - ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:42:22 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Parody kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) wrote: >>mine is similar in theme to one by Fred Simon, but I >>swear I never saw Fred's until after mine was written. Hey, what can I say? Great minds think alike. "But now old friends are acting strange They shake their heads, they say I've changed Well something’s lost, but something’s gained In eating ev'ry day." - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:53:09 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: More on Joni and JMDL (VLJC) Yeah! Travis of Travis n Mark ( i switched it around now) writes: << When I am telling friends/co-workers about Mark's travels to Joni concerts and JMDL git togethers I just refer to y'all as "Mark and his Joni People". I like that name "Mark and the Joni People". It sounds like the name of a movie. The sequal could be "Revenge of the Joni People" < Most of them can't believe that folks travel from far away places to celebrate all things Joni. >> Yes Travis, my friends can't believe that I'm going to New Orleans for Jonifest. They are threatening to kidnap me and have me deJonitized (if there is such a word) Jimmy ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #186 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?