From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #178 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, April 9 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 178 Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund," with all donations going directly into the upkeep of the JoniMitchell.com website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds, and it will now be up to Jim to continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Sore Temple Pilots [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] RE: JONI picture-of-the-day ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Letterman (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: JONI picture-of-the-day [Deb Messling ] lyrics (NJC) [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: RE: a few more tribute thoughts [PFallo@aol.com] Re: pat's guitar update - FINALLY! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Another "me too" re Joni/Cyndi pic [Rachel Nielsen D Urso ] Joni/Cyndi Pic -- Many thanks! [Rachel Nielsen D Urso ] RE[2]: JONI picture-of-the-day [RAVEN@igc.org] joni woke me up in the middle of the night...(SJC) [waytoblu@mindspring.c] Joni, as gay icon ["kerry" ] 9 April: Dietrich Bonhoeffer NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Atlanta Ticket Confusion [Tunajon@aol.com] Re: Joni, as gay icon [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Atlanta Ticket Confusion [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Re: Letterman loves Joni NJC [catman ] This just in! [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Re: Joni, as gay icon [catman ] Re: Fwd: New Virus (NJC) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: 9 April: Dietrich Bonhoeffer NJC [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: JONI picture-of-the-day [Randy Remote ] Bonhoeffer NJC [Vince Lavieri ] thanks to you all for Joni updates [pat holden ] Some new Joni finds [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni Tour Dates [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Joni Slated for Letterman Appearance [Vince Lavieri ] Duh... [Vince Lavieri ] Joni mention in "High Fidelity" [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Some new Joni finds [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: RE[2]: JONI picture-of-the-day ["Wally Kairuz" ] JMDL signs ["Sue Cameron" ] Re: Some new Joni finds [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Bonhoeffer SJC [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: JMDL signs [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Bonhoeffer SJC [catman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:46:52 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Sore Temple Pilots From Launch News: Stone Temple Pilots Miss Mitchell Tribute Due To Throat Problems (4/7/00, 6 p.m. ET) - The members of Stone Temple Pilots had planned to appear at the taping of the TNT Joni Mitchell tribute last night (April 6), but they were a late scratch from the show. A spokesperson for the band told LAUNCH that STP played a two-and-a-half hour concert the night before (LAUNCH, 4/6), and singer Scott Weiland's throat was bothering him after the show. On Thursday, Weiland was still having throat problems, and the band didn't think they could give the performance they wanted to, so they decided not to perform at the tribute. In the place of STP, English singer/songwriter/guitarist Richard Thompson did the honors on Mitchell's "Woodstock." The spokesperson stressed there was nothing else wrong with STP, and the guys were very disappointed that they couldn't play that night. LAUNCH spoke to Thompson backstage at the event. "Well actually, it was thrust upon me at the last minute," he said. "Stone Temple Pilots were supposed to do it, and they didn't turn up, so I had an hour to figure it out." The show will air on April 16 at 9 p.m. ET/PT on TNT. - -- Bruce Simon, New York Little added note. There's an article on Music265 that's was written a bit prematurely....it's about how STP performed Woodstock at Joni's tribute. Haha! Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 07:38:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: JONI picture-of-the-day i've tried, but alas too late; all i get is a picture of party of five!!!!! [and i hate that show] has anybody saved the pic? can you send it to me as an attachment. much obliged! wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 07:42:34 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Letterman (NJC) i'm more of a conan o'brien type. i love his in the year 2000 gag with andy!!!! letterman is very good-looking though, and he seems to be so attached to his mom... wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 07:09:05 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: RE: JONI picture-of-the-day Here's the dreaded "me too." At 07:38 AM 4/8/00 -0300, you wrote: >i've tried, but alas too late; all i get is a picture of party of five!!!!! >[and i hate that show] has anybody saved the pic? can you send it to me as >an attachment. much obliged! >wallyk Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 08:00:17 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: lyrics (NJC) A few people have very kindly asked me to post some more lyrics, so here are some more. I don't normally like to talk about a song, but there's a little story about this one. When I was about 14, arson was the big crime in my neighborhood. One bitter cold January night, I (along with the entire neighborhood) stayed up all night to watch a building that was covered in aluminum siding burn down. In the morning, everything was beautiful at dawn, because of the ice that formed from the water from the fire hoses. A fireman brought out a lump of melted black with some wires sticking out of it. He asked us kids if we knew what it was. We all guessed, but didn't know. It was a telephone - completely melted by the intensity of the flames. Hence the line "except for metal stone and bone and a few thin threads of wire." Anne BLOOD BLACK NIGHT Smothering in damp night air He takes the long way home He climbs the stairs of deep despair Heavy heels hit crumbling stone He shakes the rusted railing loose On his way out to the ledge Stands ready like an unlit fuse Out here on the edge In the blood black night Where dreams die so young To the needle or the knife And the pain of life gone wrong He sits out on the fire escape And watches shadows pass He hurls his empty bottles down Just to hear the breaking glass Says he's already doing time He's up to twenty years He's itching to commit the crime To get him out of here In the blood black night Where dreams die so young To the needle or the knife And the pain of life gone wrong And in some old forgotten rooms Abandonned to the rats An angry hand spills gasoline And drops a lighted match And all traces of life inside Are stripped bare by the fire Except for metal stone and bone And a few thin threads of wire In the blood black night Where dreams die so young To the needle or the knife And the pain of life gone wrong ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 08:34:14 EDT From: PFallo@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: a few more tribute thoughts patrickl@bway.net wrote: >i wrote back: "remembering last summer's show: i won't forget (don) byron, >(doug) wieselman, the percussionist and jane siberry hanging on for dear >life on 'strange boy' for a long time. that's the edge that music should >live on. thank you for that." >and with all my fondness for last night's show, i stand by that. when >musicians really risk something, magic happens. as a listener, that's where >i want to be. and for the record, joni's vocal on 'both sides now' last >night was out on that edge. bless her. patrick, thanks for the comments. yeah, the joni jazz tribute certainly had much more of an edge to it and it was magical. there was a real sense of risk taking. i did think that at the tnt thing, while yeah obviously much slicker and show biz, some artists really took it out and those were my favorites. thompson's "woodstock", lauper's "carey", cassandra's "dry cleaner", taylor's "river", krall's "case of you" sweet honey's "cicle game", and of course, joni 's "both sides now" which kind of summed the whole thing up, bringing it full circle. i gotta admit, i went into the show with great trepidation, worrying that in some way that the show might trivialize joni in some sugar, coated, hollywood way-but it didn't-and that was due to joni. she has really touched all these people's souls just as she's touched ours. the love came shining through. btw, there is a review of the show in the saturday's ny times. it was reviewed by ann powers and the title was "poetic doyenne holds court with enduring spark". generally a very favorable review. you can probably check it out at nytimes.com. phil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 09:04:30 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: pat's guitar update - FINALLY! Glad you finally got your guitar, Pat! And I'm always ready to hear more of your stories of Joni's early club days. Those posts are among the best of what I've read here! Bob NP: XTC, "Ball & Chain" ------------------------------ Date: 8 Apr 2000 06:16:27 -0700 From: Rachel Nielsen D Urso Subject: Another "me too" re Joni/Cyndi pic Hi, I'm new to the discussion list. Attended the Joni tribute and it was great! If someone has saved that "Picture of the Day" of Joni/Cyndi, can you please e-mail to it me also? Many, many thanks. Rachel ____________________________________________________________________ For the largest MP3 index on the Web, go to http://mp3.altavista.com ____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:01:43 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Richard Thompson NJC Bob, name dropping, said: <> Bob, Oh Bob, if you want to keep your music slut title, you just "must" get the titles right! Fairport's debut album, with the incredible Sandy Denny on vocals is "Liege and Lief." Lief, from the Old English, meaning "dear" or "beloved." You'd better watch your back- besides the Joni Police, there may be a music slut Police troop out soon! ;-) Hugs and giggles, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:22:08 -0400 From: "Bryan Thomas" Subject: Tribute Show (what else?) I'm so bummed that I missed everyone Thursday nite. It was great to catch the show, to be in the house watching Joni smiling and tapping her toes to so many great performances, but odd for me to do it for the most part solo, with no one to share it, talk about it. Ugh. As fate would have it, I was stuck at work until 7:30, so I missed all of the Blarney Stone fun. Damn. The reports have been a great way to relive it all, though. (I'm especially glad that Patrick was able to make it down!) I don't think I'd have much to add, except: - - I've had a shit-eating grin on my face since, oh, about 8:00 last nite. No signs of going away soon (or ever). - - that Diana Krall NAILED "Case of You." I've had a lot of people trying to sell her to me over the past several months, but it wasn't until last nite that I put the money down. Understated, heart-wrenching, beautiful. - - that it was so wonderful to watch Joni in her box seat, shaking her head, tapping her feet, appreciating those appreciating her (and just as with Day in the Garden, at many times I felt that she and I were the only ones in the room). - - that my big disappointment was the Stone Temple Pilots no-show (some of you know that the first song on my CD is about an infamous Scott Weiland NYC no-show two years ago, when he was busted trying to buy heroin just a few hours before he was supposed to hit the stage. So again he eludes me!) Mr. Thompson was a happy substitute. Also: where was darling Chaka? That's about it. Again, sorry I missed everyone. (Though I thought I had a brief Pearl sighting from afar!) PS: This was in the NY Post today: "THE guest of honor at China Club on Thursday night was Joni Mitchell. TNT had just taped a tribute to her at the Hammerstein Ballroom with performances by Elton John, k.d. lang, and Cyndi Lauper. But Michael Bolton was ready to rock. He jammed with the house band singing "Knock on Wood" and "(Help Me Find) Somebody Else" to the likes of Rebecca Romijn-Stamos, Laurence Fishburne and Goldie Hawn. Then Mitchell-impersonator John Kelly started singing her classics, and Joni came toward the stage transfixed. Later, Bolton jumped onstage again to wail Chuck Berry's "Lucille." And some links: http://www.cdnow.com/allstararticle/fid=197342 http://www.mtv.com/news/headlines/000407/story16.html Peace y'all ('til New Orleans), B. - --- BRYAN THOMAS. acoustic.punk.soul. http://www.bryanthomas.com ------------------------------ Date: 8 Apr 2000 07:29:54 -0700 From: Rachel Nielsen D Urso Subject: Joni/Cyndi Pic -- Many thanks! Mark and Bob, thank you both for the instant gratification re the Joni/Cyndi pic. This is a great group. Try this, folks http://mail.altavista.com/mail/attachment/NYTribute.JPG?msg=341&part=2 Sincerely, Rachel ____________________________________________________________________ For the largest MP3 index on the Web, go to http://mp3.altavista.com ____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:31:37 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Tribute Concert Being that I am not "too" far from NYC, I would have gone to the Big City to see the tribute show and hang with my wonderful JMDL New York pals in a minute. However...in December, my sweetie gave me tickets to Mary Black for the holidays for the same night. Not disappointing him was more important than jetting to NYC, and the concert was FABULOUS!!! For those of you not familiar with Mary Black, she is a wonderful singer from Ireland, and a while back was the lead singer in the group DeDannan. Synchronicity struck as, just as I was sitting in my seat at Boston's Symphony Hall, thinking about the listers that were watching the Tribute at the same time, I opened the program and read,"After seven hugely successful albums, Mary Black wanted to produce a recording with a bit more edge and contemporary feel. She traveled to Los Angeles to work with the legendary American producer Larry Klein (whose credits include Joni Mitchell, Tina Turner, and Shawn Colvin) to record "Shine," which was released on Curb records in 1997." Later on in the show, she sang a beautiful song from "Shine" written by Larry Klein, "Nobody Lives Without Love." She prefaced the song by saying how wonderful it was to work with him, "and," she continued, "He is soooo cute, too!" LOL! I highly recommend this CD. It contains 2 songs written by Larry as well as "I Misunderstood" by Richard Thompson. Great musicians on here too, including Larry on bass, Greg Leisz on guitar and pedal steel. Thank you a million times to everyone that so eloquently posted on the Tribute concert. As usual, I felt like I was there, and I so appreciate the time it took to let us know how it was. Patrick, I love what you said to Joni about Wally. You are truly a class act. I CANNOT WAIT to see this show on TNT!!!! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: 8 Apr 2000 07:39:10 -0700 From: Rachel Nielsen D Urso Subject: Diana Krall Bryan, I wholeheartedly agree. Diana Krall's rendition of "A Case Of You" was stunning. I became an instant fan. What a mature, character-filled voice she has for her relatively young years (early '30s, I believe). ____________________________________________________________________ For the largest MP3 index on the Web, go to http://mp3.altavista.com ____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 07:59:45 -0700 From: RAVEN@igc.org Subject: RE[2]: JONI picture-of-the-day At 03:38 04/08/2000, Wally Kairuz wrote: >i've tried, but alas too late; all i get is a picture of party of five!!!!! >[and i hate that show] has anybody saved the pic? You should still be able to access the photo at: I have appended the original caption below: "Singer Cyndi Lauper kisses the hand of musician Joni Mitchell during the finale of the filming of a television tribute to Joni Mitchell in New York, April 6. The special, which will air on TNT on April 16, featured a number of famous musicians singing Mitchell's songs. Behind Mitchell and Lauper is musician Richard Thompson and to the right of Lauper is singer Mary Chapin Carpenter" - REUTERS RAVEN ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:20:19 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: joni woke me up in the middle of the night...(SJC) Last night I had gotten really, really sleepy and at some point I assume, I fell asleep (makes sense, doesn't it...) Then all of the sudden, around 3:30 am, I heard a bunch of voices in the next room. My friends( Bootlegg Shaman) had had a gig that night we're just getting back. At first I was somewhat pissed off because I had fallen into a deep sleep and all of the sudden was awake, or at least conscious of everything. First I tried to ignore the voices, which did not completely bother me as these are good friends of mine, but I found it impossible to go back to sleep. So I listened to what they were saying and to my surprise they were talking about "Mingus" and what it must have been like to be in the studio with him. I could hear Joni's voice in the background, singing away. After that, I found I was not upset at all, and didn't mind being woken up. Not long after that, I heard someone mention eggs, french toast, and bacon, and soon I could even smell warm drafts of bacon coming in from undeneath the door. I couldn't hold out any longer, so I left my room and joined this impromptu, late evening breakfast. I mentioned the story of the whales beaching themselves on the day of his death, and I whole heartedly agree with Joni, as I am always wondering about life and death, existence and love, and all the mystery behind it all and everything that causes this mystery to linger on. I had a huge breakfast of bacon, sausage, eggs, and french toast. When "Mingus" was over I put on "Mingus Dynasty" and it seemed to be the perfect background for the evening. I have never heard anything that resembles what Mingus created in his jazz workshops. Listening to him, I had the feeling that we had somehow stepped out of time and were just being. Then somewhere in the middle of "Mood Indigo" I began to feel really sleepy again, and everybody lumbered off to bed. And then, as if it wasn't enough already, I had these really bizzare dreams which I can not describe but they are so vivid in my mind I can picture exactly where I was and they feel like experiences that actually happened. It is not often that I wake up, still completely entranced by dreams, but it is one of the best feelings. Along these lines, I would like to print the lyrics to a song I wrote entitled, "Requiem" which I wrote when I found out a friend of mine was in a coma and did not know if she would come out or not. I plan on playing this song at Jonifest 2000. Requiem Shadows cry for the morning, We build our fires at night, Looking for salvation, From the unfriendly hands of fate. Our eyes dance with the flaming tounges, As we sit so still. And we long to shine so brilliantly, For a moment, for a day. Sometimes we make it to the other side, We write our own passion play, But the ending is not always clear, And the journey, goes ever on. Sad eyes sleeping in a quiet place, Underneath a darker sun. Waiting for a miracle, A chance to live again. A thousand memories stir your waking voice, Once you came upon a million suns, And you learned to speak in ancient tounges, But found a language all your own. Still the mystery moves you gently, Of how this life came to be. The dusk it solemnly approaches, And you know you must be on your way. (c) 1996 Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:40:17 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Joni, as gay icon I don't think of Joni as a gay icon though. I am gay and I have only met a couple of other gay men (I can't say for lesbians) that even know who Joni is. This is a shame. Of course, I'm down here in Georgia which does not at all speak for the rest of the country or world!!! I don't typically like the artists that are considered gay icons (the pop artists who don't write their own music). I haven't met a lot of gay people who know who Joni is either, but I could say the same for straight people. She's not exactly a "household" name, but that's okay with me. Anyone that could write a song as beautiful as "Two Grey Rooms" should be a gay icon, though!!! I'm really enjoying reading all the posts on this list! I used to think I was practically alone in loving Joni, then I thought I would be the only lesbian(or gay person) on the list! Little did I know!!! Does anyone think she will do any songs not on BSN during her upcoming tour? I love the CD, but of course would like her to do at least one or two "older" songs with just piano or guitar... Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 13:32:41 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: 9 April: Dietrich Bonhoeffer NJC http://www.thesumners.com/bonhoeffer/life.html Friends, Tomorrow is the commemoration of Dietrich Bonhoeffer, martyred by the Nazis 55 years ago, on 9 April 1945, at the express order of Hitler in the closing days on WW2. There is so little that I can say about Bonhoeffer or his impact on my ministry and theology for all words of mine pale to absolute nothingness next to this man's life, teachings, ministry, witness. For all the talk of "validity" and other fictions created by people to cause separation in the Church, such marks of "validity" having nothing to do with faithful witness, Bonhoeffer is a pastor and theologian who, along with those who worked with him in the Confessing Church of Germany during the 1930s and 1940s, preserved the validity of Christian witness in Europe, and perhaps the world. It awes and humbles me that in my first worship service with my congregation since last Sunday's being consecrated a bishop, that we will commemorate the life of Bonhoeffer. It is a reminder that that I have done so little compared to one like this, and he did it all in only 39 years of life. With love, and in memory of Bonhoeffer, and thanksgiving to God for the witness of Bonhoeffer and all the martyrs of the Confessing Church, and in solemn memory of the victims of Holocaust who never would have died had this witness been heard, Vince PS I am also sharing this with my friends in the Joni Mitchell Discussion List, a group of people with an astounding collective wisdom and spirit, and a great concern for that which affirms all that is good and speaks of love. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:41:44 EDT From: Tunajon@aol.com Subject: Atlanta Ticket Confusion I would love for ANYBODY who knows any details of tommorrows Atlanta ticket sale to send the details to both the list and to me personally (tunajon@aol.com), since I'm a digester and want to make sure I have the info before tommorrow morning. It's Crazy that Ticketmaster and the Chastain web site both don't even acknowledge the show yet! HELP!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:54:19 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, as gay icon In a message dated 4/8/00 10:38:59 AM US Central Standard Time, myrtlmoo@ticon.net writes: << Does anyone think she will do any songs not on BSN during her upcoming tour? I love the CD, but of course would like her to do at least one or two "older" songs with just piano or guitar... >> Kerry, I'm sure she will flesh out her set with some gems not on BSN, but I'm not looking for her to play any instruments - this one is just for the orchestra and THAT VOICE! Of course, who knows, the one thing to be sure of about Joni is that there's nothing to be sure of... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:27:57 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Atlanta Ticket Confusion The tickets tomorrow are NOT being sold through the ticketmaster hotline. They are being sold through Concert Southern Promotions. And to purchase any tickets tomorrow, you MUST purchase them for at least TWO different shows in the series. Their hotline with all the information is (404)233-2227. They will have a separate number for ordering tickets. Also there will be a full page ad in the AJC tomorrow with all the dates, times, and prices and an order form you can also use to order tickets. Individual tickets will go on sale April 29th. Victor http://www.mindspring.com/~waytoblu/Tangled.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 20:24:14 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Letterman loves Joni NJC Just consider my comments on > Oprah's supposed "weirdness" to be a bit of bait that > I threw out (instead of kicking one of my cats!) and > you just happened to rise to it (suckah!) ;] you wicked woman you! Actually, i wasn't annoyed just wondered why you thought she was weird. However, your co-workers are wrong. she is not into new age or religion and if they listened carefully they would know that! She does, however, have a strong faith, like some of us do, which does not involve dogma or creed, be it religion or new age. The one person she admires, whom i do not is this Marian Williamson woman. (and by the way tv and make up do wonders for her-she is nothing like she looks on her book covers or the tv!) I just deleted sevral lines about Ms Williamson as it occurred to me it may be considered libel. Damn! > > ===== > Catherine (in Toronto) > catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca > > _______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:43:41 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: This just in! For anyone coming to see Joni in Atlanta, May 19th, I am planning on having a ***pre-concert/pre jonifest cookout*** earlier in the afternoon. It will be in the North Druid Hills area which is not very far from Chastain. I am thinking of around 3 pm. This way, if you are coming from a distance, you can get into town earlier and avoid the Atlanta rush hour which lately, has been pretty bad on Fridays. Please email me if you are interested in coming so I can get more of an idea of what to plan. If there are any musicians out there, we will have several guitars for jamming! Victor http://www.mindspring.com/~waytoblu/Tangled.htm NP: Neil Young Harvest Moon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 20:49:20 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni, as gay icon > > I'm really enjoying reading all the posts on this list! I used to think I > was practically alone in loving Joni, same here-still never me t another one-except for those on this list. then I thought I would be the only > lesbian(or gay person) on the list! Little did I know!!! Little do you know! You ARE the only gay person on the list. The rest of us just pretend to be, to wind up the rest! Seriously, I have never seen her as gay icon either. Doesn't really fit the bill. The closest I ever came to likeing a gay icon, and she truly was, tho i guess she is now a Devil, was Donna Summer. Snd she DID write her own stuff, or co wrote. And I still like listening to her. Welcome to this list Kerry. It can be a lot of fun if you don't talk about Walt Whitman or kevin spacey(possibly) being gay..... or heaven forbid, melissa ethelridge's children..these topics really bring out the liberals in rashes.... bw colin-who just gave up being gay for lent > > Does anyone think she will do any songs not on BSN during her upcoming tour? > I love the CD, but of course would like her to do at least one or two > "older" songs with just piano or guitar... > > Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:54:48 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Fwd: New Virus (NJC) Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > > > > PASS THIS ON TO ANYONE YOU HAVE AN E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR. > > > > If you receive an e-mail titled "Lets watch TV" DO NOT OPEN IT. It > > > > will erase everything on your hard drive. > > > > This information was announced yesterday morning from IBM. AOL > > > > states that "KALI" is a very dangerous virus, much worse than > > > > "Melissa", and > > > > there is NO remedy for it at this time. Some very sick individual > has succeeded in using the reformat function from Norton Utilities causing > > > > it to completely erase all documents on the hard drive. It has been > > > > designed to work with Netscape Navigator and Microsoft Internet > > > > Explorer. It destroys Macintosh and IBM compatible computers. This is a > > > > new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it. Pass this > > > > warning along to EVERYONE in your address book and please share it with > > > > all your on-line friends ASAP so that this threat may be stopped. > > Please practice cautionary measures and tell anyone that may have access to > > > > your computer. Forward this warning to everyone that might access the > > > > Internet. **************************************** David, et al, this warning is yet another hoax. You can read all about it at: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/lets.watch.tv.hoax.html You know, over the years I've been sent every possible warning about computer viruses, internet tax, Microsoft/AOL email tracking schemes, $250 Nieman-Marcus cookie recipes, don't flash your headlights because it's a gang signal and they'll shoot you, rat urine on pop can tops, etc. and out of literally hundreds of these, guess how many haey're hoaxes; they *all* read the same way. That's why I strongly urge everyone who sends one of these to *always* check out every single email of this type that they receive before sending it on to others; if everyone would do this, eventually we'd be rid of them. Below I've included some links to check out rumors, warnings, etc. Except for The Urban Legends Archive, most are concerned with debunking computer virus hoaxes, but they usually have links to other sites that debunk urban legends. Please help to reduce the bunk in our already bunk crowded lives! Feel free to begin by forwarding my response to everyone who you sent the warning to. Thanks. - -Fred Symantec AntiVirus Research Center: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html Urban Legends Archive http://www.urbanlegends.com Computer Virus Myths home page: http://www.kumite.com/myths/ CIAC: http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html Command Software Systems: http://www.commandcom.com/html/virus/db/hoaxes.html Data Fellows: http://www.datafellows.com/news/hoax.htm McAfee Associates: http://www.nai.com/services/support/hoax/hoax.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:02:45 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: 9 April: Dietrich Bonhoeffer NJC Vince, Thanks for the Bonhoeffer link and good luck on your service tomorrow too. Bonhoeffer and Joni....hmmm. Bonhoeffer is also one of my favorite theologians and Joni is, of course, my favorite performing artist. Both uncompromising, bold, and true to their convictions, but gracious in personal interactions, I think they would have hit it off very well together, regardless of differences in philosophies. But have you ever tried to read Bonhoeffer while playing Joni? Not a good mesh! Bonhoeffer is much heavier than Joni! While reading Bonhoeffer's The Cost Of Discipleship a few years ago, I had to switch to strictly classical to avoid the need to reread the same paragraph 10 times just to "get it". ;-) Blessings to you, Vince, Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 13:15:31 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: JONI picture-of-the-day Yes, this one works... RAVEN@igc.org wrote: > > At 03:38 04/08/2000, Wally Kairuz wrote: > > >i've tried, but alas too late; all i get is a picture of party of five!!!!! > >[and i hate that show] has anybody saved the pic? > > You should still be able to access the photo at: > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 16:34:58 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Bonhoeffer NJC Penny wrote: > Bonhoeffer and Joni....hmmm. Bonhoeffer is also one of my > favorite > theologians and Joni is, of course, my favorite performing artist. Both > uncompromising, bold, and true to their convictions, but gracious in > personal interactions, I think they would have hit it off very well > together, regardless of differences in philosophies. > > But have you ever tried to read Bonhoeffer while playing Joni? Not a > good mesh! Bonhoeffer is much heavier than Joni! While reading > Bonhoeffer's The Cost Of Discipleship a few years ago, I had to switch > to strictly classical to avoid the need to reread the same paragraph 10 > times just to "get it". ;-) Penny, As I was typing up the first post, reflecting on all of Bonhoeffer's writings on the need of the church to be real and come of age and cease its stereotyped living in unreality and in the past, Joni sang out: "Because as soon as this ferry boat docks, I'm headed off to the church to play bingo, fleece me with the gamblers' flocks." To tell you the truth, I had never remembered hearing that line before! And how appropriate was the timing! So Joni and Dietrich have been meshing in that wonderful karma that does exist in our happy JMDL home! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 17:48:32 -0500 From: pat holden Subject: thanks to you all for Joni updates It has been so fantastic for me to sit here and take in all of the wonderful reviews of your collective Joni adventures. I am enjoying them thoroughly and am somewhat overwhelmed (in a good way). You see, I've been in the closet re: Joni for all these years. Alas, I've really only had one friend who truly gets it...who loves her music as much as I do. It is such a relief to find this space within which to breathe shared joy for this amazing woman. a very warm thank you to all of you writing and gushing and sharing. magnificent. mags* - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 19:21:23 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Some new Joni finds I was inspired by a fellow JMDL'er, so I journeyed to a local record store that seels lots of old vinyl. Here's what I found that'll end up on the next Volume of Covers: Judy Collins - Chelsea Morning Frank Sinatra - Both Sides Now (Yay!! I had been looking for this one!) Tom Rush's Circle Game LP which contains: Tin Angel Urge For Going The Circle Game And, an oddball album by Rod Taylor called "Rod Taylor"...I know nothing about this one, only that Joni is on background vocals - I hope she can be heard! If anyone knows about this one, I'd appreciate the info. Bob PS: After I transfer the songs to CD, I'll be glad to give/sell the vinyl to another avid collector out there...let me know. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 19:34:00 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Joni Tour Dates Some of the dates were different, as the venues, but it was Paul, i believe , you gave the first public alert in the JMDL and it helped us (in North America at least) all make our plans, so, thanks, Paul, thanks! Vince Paul Castle wrote on 9 March: > Just found these listed on Peter Erskine's 'Up coming Concerts' > page on his website at http://www.petererskine.com/ErskineItinerary.html > > May 12 Los Angeles, CA, Greek Theater, JONI MITCHELL "Both Sides Now" > tour, w/ Vince Mendoza & symphony orchestra, et al... > May 13 San Francisco, CA, Shoreline, JONI MITCHELL "Both Sides Now" tour > May 17 Miami, FL, Coral Sky Pavillion, JONI MITCHELL "Both Sides Now" tour > May 19 Atlanta, GA, Chastain Park, JONI MITCHELL "Both Sides Now" tour > May 21 Washington, DC, Merriweather Post, JONI MITCHELL "Both Sides Now" > May 22-23 New York, NY, MSG Theatre, JONI MITCHELL "Both Sides Now" tour > May 25 Philadelphia, PA, E-Center, JONI MITCHELL "Both Sides Now" tour > May 27 Hartford, CT, Oakdale Theater, JONI MITCHELL "Both Sides Now" tour > May 28 Boston, MA, Harbor Lights, JONI MITCHELL "Both Sides Now" tour > May 30 Detroit, MI, Fox Theater, JONI MITCHELL "Both Sides Now" tour > May 31 Chicago, IL, Fox Theater, JONI MITCHELL "Both Sides Now" tour > > You lucky people - no sign of UK (sob!). > > PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 19:41:24 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Joni Slated for Letterman Appearance And thanks!!!!! to Catherine for giving us the first alert on this! This was the week that I bought a blank tape, and thus I was ready! Vince Catherine Turley wrote on 12 March: > Hi jonilistas, > > Was just checking in with our dear friends at Reprise (ok, sorry for the > sarcasm, but I'm still waiting for my replacement BSN/LE) and found the > following: > > Joni Mitchell Tour info: > > Tour date City, State Venue > 4/3/00 New York, NY Late Show w/David Letterman > > I apologize if this is old news, but don't recall seeing this posted to > the list yet. Perhaps the Reprise site will confirm tour dates, venues, > etc. Hope there is official word soon, so I can plan my trip to L.A. > > Adios for now --- > > Catherine T. in AZ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 19:52:19 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Joni and Rosie: Song List On my local NBC affiliate, they just ran a promo on the Rosie show with Joni for Monday, and I almost missed it as I was concentrating on my email... but it sure sounded as if Joni was singing something not on the BSN album (and it was most stunningly beautiful). Am I crazed (I am, but please avoid the obvious response) or did I just mishear because I also had Prairie Home Companion at the same time? Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 19:58:13 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Duh... It sounded to me like, on the Rosie promo, Joni was singing "It's [or That's] Impossible" by the way... but again, I had the internet going and the radio too... and if she isn't singing it, she should, becuase it sure sounds good the way I think I heard it! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 20:06:27 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Joni mention in "High Fidelity" Did anyone see the movie "High Fidelity"?There is a mention of Joni in it,by the main character. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 20:09:16 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Some new Joni finds Bob writes: << And, an oddball album by Rod Taylor called "Rod Taylor"...I know nothing about this one, only that Joni is on background vocals >> Is that the same Rod Taylor that was the actor in Alfred Hitchcock's "The Birds" ? Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:34:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: RE[2]: JONI picture-of-the-day - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: Enviado: Sábado 8 de Abril de 2000 11:59 Asunto: RE[2]: JONI picture-of-the-day > > At 03:38 04/08/2000, Wally Kairuz wrote: > > >i've tried, but alas too late; all i get is a picture of party of five!!!!! > >[and i hate that show] has anybody saved the pic? > > You should still be able to access the photo at: > > > > I have appended the original caption below: > > "Singer Cyndi Lauper kisses the hand of musician Joni Mitchell > during the finale of the filming of a television tribute to Joni > Mitchell in New York, April 6. The special, which will air on TNT > on April 16, featured a number of famous musicians singing > Mitchell's songs. Behind Mitchell and Lauper is musician Richard > Thompson and to the right of Lauper is singer Mary Chapin Carpenter" > - REUTERS > > RAVEN > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:37:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni/Cyndi Pic -- Many thanks! mark, bob and raven: thanks for the picture and captions. isn't this a great time to be a joni fan! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:55:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: joni the theologian as i was leaving new york last march, i went to church to participate in the ash wednesday's rites. this trip to new york marked my re-entry into the catholic church after 25 years. [i had never left the church of jesus in my heart and soul. being a roman catholic, however, or a member of any other organized church for that matter, sometimes seems to be at odds with being a follower of jesus.] after my last eucharist at st francis xavier's church on 16th street, i was trying to think of an appropriate prayer to summarize what i was feeling, re-entering the church, taking communion after more than two decades and being on the verge of leaving the man i loved and the city where i belong to return to a life that is no longer my own in buenos aires. and sitting there, in the already empty church, all i could think of was: "i'm traveling in some vehicle, i'm sitting in some cafe: a defector from the petty wars until love sucks me back that way." that was how i addressed god that day and how i sum up my life and times. wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 22:59:12 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: JMDL signs Hello all! I liked Brian's idea of having signs at the concerts. Thinking about that made me wonder if we could somehow hand the JMDL loves Joni sign that I made for Woodstock at each of the concerts. This would be very tough as she is doing some shows back to back, but are there listers who are doing multiple shows (like the Rev. Vince who is doing both Chicago and Detroit)? Let me know if we think we can swing this and I will get the sign ready to mail for the first concert on 5/12/00 ­ Los Angeles, CA: Greek Theater. Is there someone who will be at the Concord Pavillion on the 13th from the LA show? From there we could mail the banner so it would get to Miami by 5/17/00, and then maybe priority or overnight it by 5/19/00 for the Atlanta, GA: Chastain Park show. Regular mail should work to make the 5/22-23/00 ­ New York shows but once again we may need to overnight for the 5/25/00 ­ Washington, DC concert. Same for 5/27/00 ­ Hartford, CT then we would almost need someone who would be going to Boston for the 5/28/00 event. Priority or overnight to Chicago on 5/30/00 and the Rev. Vince could transport to Detroit. From there another overnight mailing to Brian Gross for the 6/02/00 ­ Philadelphia, PA concert. Let me know what you all think. Can we do it? I'll bet we can! Sue Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:59:21 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Some new Joni finds In a message dated 4/8/00 6:12:36 PM US Central Standard Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << Is that the same Rod Taylor that was the actor in Alfred Hitchcock's "The Birds" ? >> No, and I didn't see any Joni covers by Tippi Hedren either! :~) Bob NP: CSN, "Dark Star", another find today, used CD for $5! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:29:37 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Bonhoeffer SJC <> Vince, Oh, don't get me wrong. I adore and respect Joni even though I don't necessarily agree with her all the time. And over the years Joni has been marvelous at getting me to really ponder her words deeply....no other artist comes even close! But when it came to spiritual matters, I found Joni to be long on observation and short on answers. Bonhoeffer, on the other hand, was zeroing in on some of the answers I had been long searching. Bonhoeffer is definitely some heavy reading....at times harder to absorb than Scripture. And for me anyway, while really concentrating on discerning what was merely his (DB's) interpretation of Truth and what, in fact, turned out to be actual Truth for me, Joni's lyrics were too much of a distraction at that time....hence the short term switch to wordless Classical music. Now, that intense chapter of searching at a lull, Joni's lyrics remain powerful and lovely, but don't carry the same kind of weight with me they used to. Something's lost, but something's gained. ;-) I appreciated your post too, Wally! ;-) Peace, Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us versus them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 01:49:09 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL signs In a message dated 4/8/00 11:02:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, scam1@freeway.net writes: << Hello all! I liked Brian's idea of having signs at the concerts. >> OK, I got dibs on "MERGE" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 07:20:03 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Bonhoeffer SJC And for me anyway, while really > concentrating on discerning what was merely his (DB's) interpretation of > Truth and what, in fact, turned out to be actual Truth for me, if only it were that simple. All people's ideas are interpreatations of what they feel is Truth. it can't actually be Truth as we have no way of discerning Truth objectively, only subjectively. So what a person decides is Truth, is only their idea. It can't be anything else. When we make a descision to accept something as truth, all we have done is made a decision-we haven't actually made an objective discovery. That last sentence is clumsy-it's like we might read something and decide it is the Truth. However, it is only our idea that it is Truth. It might be but we have no way of knowing this. None of us can form objective ideas and meaning. We create meaning thru our own individual experience. That is what we spend our lives doing-creating meanin. And because we are all different, and have different experiences, we create different meanings. A person immersed in an Islamic culture feels just as strongly that their Truth is THE TRUTH as do those brought up in a Xtian culture. Life would be more peaceful for both, if they could accpet they do not actaully know the Truth-just their idea of it. Joni's idea of the Truth is as valid as anyone elses. Of course Joni does not provide the answers-no body does. One of the things about trying to find oneself and God is to accept that there are no answers, unless we decide there are and then those answers are only answers for ourselves, because we decided they were. What makes our lives richer and works for us will not necessarily work for another. So it is wise not to believe it will. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #178 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?