From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #172 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, April 5 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 172 Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund," with all donations going directly into the upkeep of the JoniMitchell.com website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds, and it will now be up to Jim to continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: classical music NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Boston on May 28, 2000 ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Atlanta Tickets ? [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Re: Joni on Letterman (NJC comments) [Kate Tarasenko ] Re: Joni on Will and Grace! [Jerry Notaro ] re: classical music NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joshua Jazz and Joni in SF [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re: joni's /new RS interview ["Reuben Bell" ] RE: Joni on Will and Grace! ["Carver, Dax" ] RE: Joni on Letterman?? ["Carver, Dax" ] re:An Erstwhile Review of Both Sides Now ["H.D. Motyl" ] joni one block away from my office ["Christine Nunn" ] Giving Oprah A Push [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] RE: missed letterman.. ["Carver, Dax" ] re: Letterman ["P. Henry" ] Re: Giving Oprah A Push NJC [Don Rowe ] Further on from ....joni's book does indeed exist! [Dmascall@aol.com] The Last Stand airing (SJC) [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: Joni article in today's Salon [Siresorrow@aol.com] Brian Blade Fellowship [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: Joni article in today's Salon [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] BSN Review in The Advocate [Bounced Message ] re: Letterman [Scott Price ] Re: classical music (a bit o' Joni content) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Joni on Letterman [FredNow@aol.com] Joni on Rosie [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: BSN Review in The Advocate ["Carver, Dax" ] re: classical music NJC [jan gyn ] JONI ON LETTERMAN [dave fairall / beth miller ] NJC change [catman ] The Sire Of Sorrow [catman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 04:06:04 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: classical music NJC jerome, this is SO much a matter of personal taste. in any case, if you want to ask me about any piece that you like, i'll be happy to tell you what version/s i like best [mind you: sometimes there's more than one!]. you must later double check with robert holliston, whose preferences complement mine [in that we like almost nothing in common!!!] so that you can get the best of both worlds: robert's exquisite and knowledgeable advice and.... whatever you can gain from me! - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: David Wright Para: Jerome Gonzales CC: Enviado: Miércoles 5 de Abril de 2000 02:57 Asunto: re: classical music NJC > On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Jerome Gonzales wrote: > > Calling all music sluts....I have pitifully little classical music and even > > less knowledge about what to buy. I know what pieces and composers I like, > > but not what recordings are best. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 04:09:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Boston on May 28, 2000 so i have to spend two full months in new york for you to decide to go there only after i'm gone?!?!?!? treacherous canadian tricks. wallyk > Then New York - my very accomodating travel agent arranged for me to fly > into Boston, and out of New York. So.....Patrick? Kay? Kenny? Can you > keep a few hours free during the first three days of June to hang out > with a balding old Canuck with middle-aged eyesight? > I'll retreat back to lurkdom now...... > > love to all, > Roberto > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 03:40:19 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Atlanta Tickets ? >.>While I would prefer to see Joni in Atlanta because I'd miss less time at >work, I don't know about the venue. Is this an outdoor theater? Can anyone >tell me more? Chastain is an outdoor ampitheatre and can be a nice place to see a concert if you can ignore the people who come with their wine bottles, brie, and picnic baskets and talk through the whole concert until the performer plays a "hit" song that they recognize. If her show is billed as a "rock" performance though that eliminates the picnickers (as was the case with Natalie Merchant). I actually enjoy the atmosphere more at Lakewood Ampitheatre where you can bring a blanket and sit on a big hill under the stars and the atmosphere is a little more laid back. But I will go to Chastain to see Joni. I don't know anything about preferred seating. Season ticket holders probably have first dibs. There is an onsale on Sunday but I'm not sure what has already been sold. Victor http://www.mindspring.com/~waytoblu/Tangled.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 06:24:35 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: Re: Joni on Letterman (NJC comments) I have to disagree with Don who said that Dave displayed "no class" and "blew it" by not taking time to interview Joni. So harsh! I agree with someone else who wrote that it's just the show's format to barely squeeze in the musical guests at the end, and, anyway, "live" TV is something of a miracle to pull off, winding up on time before someone literally yanks the plug on you. I seem to recall Dylan performing on his show, and he didn't get any interview time, either -- I don't think Joni rates especially higher than Bob on the Living Legends meter, do you??? Plus, Dave rocks! Kate in CO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:40:59 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni on Will and Grace! diana wrote: > Tonight on Will and Grace they won tickets for front row seats to Joni > Mitchell's concert. Grace said Joni was her favorite. They both were so > excited. Grace even sang some of "Free man in Paris." Although later she > said that at the concert, Joni asked Grace to leave the because she was > singing to loud. > > Do you think that her publicist they had anything to do with this? Probably not, but I guess this ends the debate about whether or not Joni is a gay icon. Not only is she, but now she's been enshrined! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:43:20 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: re: classical music NJC <> Jerome - how come you wanna buy *Classical* music? Do you already have all the GOOD records? LOL! Bob, who actually likes Ravel's "Bolero" and Richard Rodgers "Victory At Sea" NP: Matthew Sweet, "Hide" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:12:35 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joshua Jazz and Joni in SF <> Hey, congratulations, Julius! Sounds like you had quite a day! Autographed CD's rock! And I'm sure the music is superb as well... As for Joni's interview, her statements on the state of the music biz are the only things to get excerpted, but the interview in the mag was actually funny and upbeat, I thought. I need to go ahead and transcribe it for all the JMDLers to see, it's really not so long... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 06:34:34 PDT From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: re: joni's /new RS interview I checked this ISBN (0609600087), and it refers to the Collected Works book. I think we'd have heard about an autobiography by now. Joni's in Rolling Stone again (4/15/00 issue). 1/2 page interview by David Wild. Not too much new information, but mentions once again that BSN is the first part of a triliogy. Next to be 12 of her own songs, followed by "my morbid little Christmas record." The quote under the heading of the article says: "The music business makes me sick. I'm ashamed to be a part of it." Change the record, Joni! We've heard this one before. Mag. has a surly looking gentleman named DMX on the cover. Interview w/pic on page 48. >From: Dmascall@aol.com >Reply-To: Dmascall@aol.com >To: pholden@iprimus.ca, joni@smoe.org >Subject: re: joni's book does indeed exist! >Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:57:13 EDT > >Last time I posted about availability of a Joni book I was wrong >but....here >goes. > >My trade database says this book (ISBN 0609600087) is the "Collected Lyrics >& >poems" (or is it the other way around) - and though I can't consult my own >copy the publication date fits in with this. > >What might be more interesting is something entitled "Art Book" by Joni >Mitchell which has a release date some time in 2001. I'll post the ISBN for >that if anyone wants it. However, the book trade databases still show >Joni's >"Autobiography" down for release some time this year, which doesn't seem >very >likely. > >David Mascall ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:42:30 -0400 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: RE: Joni on Will and Grace! I was SO HAPPY to see Will and Grace give so much attention last night to wanting to see Joni live. That was awesome! I was screaming to my mom about it from my bedroom "THERE TALKING ABOUT JONI!!" I don't think of Joni as a gay icon though. I am gay and I have only met a couple of other gay men (I can't say for lesbians) that even know who Joni is. This is a shame. Of course, I'm down here in Georgia which does not at all speak for the rest of the country or world!!! I don't typically like the artists that are considered gay icons (the pop artists who don't write their own music). Joni rocks. later dax > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Notaro [SMTP:notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 8:41 AM > To: diana > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Joni on Will and Grace! > > diana wrote: > > > Tonight on Will and Grace they won tickets for front row seats to Joni > > Mitchell's concert. Grace said Joni was her favorite. They both were so > > excited. Grace even sang some of "Free man in Paris." Although later she > > said that at the concert, Joni asked Grace to leave the because she was > > singing to loud. > > > > Do you think that her publicist they had anything to do with this? > > Probably not, but I guess this ends the debate about whether or not Joni > is > a gay icon. Not only is she, but now she's been enshrined! > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:44:58 -0400 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: RE: Atlanta Tickets ? Chastain is an okay venue. I would rather not go there or Lakewood to see a concert but I will if need be. I will go there for Joni. I went there for Sinead O'Connor, The Cranberries and Natalie Merchant. The wine packing people are the only problem. Natalie Merchant did very well there I thought. later dax > -----Original Message----- > From: waytoblu@mindspring.com [SMTP:waytoblu@mindspring.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 3:40 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Atlanta Tickets ? > > >.>While I would prefer to see Joni in Atlanta because I'd miss less time > at > >work, I don't know about the venue. Is this an outdoor theater? Can > anyone > >tell me more? > > > Chastain is an outdoor ampitheatre and can be a nice place to see a > concert > if you can ignore the people who come with their wine bottles, brie, and > picnic baskets and talk through the whole concert until the performer > plays > a "hit" song that they recognize. If her show is billed as a "rock" > performance though that eliminates the picnickers (as was the case with > Natalie Merchant). > > I actually enjoy the atmosphere more at Lakewood Ampitheatre where you can > bring a blanket and sit on a big hill under the stars and the atmosphere > is > a little more laid back. But I will go to Chastain to see Joni. > > I don't know anything about preferred seating. Season ticket holders > probably have first dibs. There is an onsale on Sunday but I'm not sure > what has already been sold. > > Victor > http://www.mindspring.com/~waytoblu/Tangled.htm > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:51:59 -0400 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: RE: Will & Grace Though I appreciate the fact that Will and Grace had an inner struggle for those kids, I really wish they could have found a way around it. It does give Joni some good publicity to show that the characters had to to struggle over wanting to go see Joni so badly. It would have been neat to allow Joni a star appearance, now wouldn't it! later dax > -----Original Message----- > From: TanyerSCO@aol.com [SMTP:TanyerSCO@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 11:42 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Cc: dduncan@ipa.net > Subject: Will & Grace > > > >>>Tonight on Will and Grace they won tickets for front row seats to Joni > Mitchell's concert. Grace said Joni was her favorite. They both were so > excited. Grace even sang some of "Free man in Paris." Although later she > said that at the concert, Joni asked Grace to leave the because she was > singing to loud. <<< > > I saw it too! I was so excited and my husband was even into it > (considering > he usually makes fun of my little obsession, this was a welcome change : > )) > > But didn't you find it unrealistic that both Will & Grace had trouble > deciding what to do when that little play was changed to the evening? I > was > yelling at the TV. "There's no conflict! Screw those little kids! Who > cares? Go to the Joni concert! End of episode!!!!!!" > > I mean, come on. In reality, there would be no inner struggle between > Stone > Soup and FRONT ROW SEATS TO JONI!!! > > Anyone have this same experience? > : ) > Tanya ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:53:38 -0400 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: RE: Joni on Letterman?? Yeah, that's true about the musical guest don't usually get interviewed. He did the same thing to Sinead O'Connor, but he talked to Suzanne Vega. THIS IS JONI MITCHELL DAVE! She's a goddess and deserves the time of day (or night!) dax > -----Original Message----- > From: Helen M. Adcock [SMTP:hell@ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 11:34 PM > To: cassy; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Joni on Letterman?? > > Cassy wrote: > > >I seem to recall Joni having been on Letterman once before and he didn't > >interview her then either... anyone else remember that? > > I've just rewatched the segment of Letterman I taped with Joni (back in > the > days when it was screened here), and she sang "Just Like This Train" (solo > with VG-8) - promoting Hits and Misses. Also on the show were Mel Gibson > and Christine Lahti (although I didn't tape them). From memory, the > musical > guests on Letterman don't really get interviewed. They get 5 minutes at > the > end to sing their song - and it looked like someone was giving Joni the > "wind it up!" signal off-camera - then 5 seconds to plug their album! > Letterman mentioned Hits, then asked her about Misses and she said it was > like most of her career, then said "that's not self-effacing, it's just > the > songs I think people really did miss." Then the credits started to roll. > > Hell > _______________________________ > "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with > available extremes" - Carole King > > hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:10:35 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Will & Grace <> I didn't see the episode and not familiar with the show in any way, but if *my* kid had a ball game, play, spelling bee, etc, Joni would have to be second choice...you know I love you Joni, but my boy is my heart! Bob NP: Talking Heads, "Love For Sale" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:37:23 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Joni on Today Show I E-mailed the Today show asking when Joni would be on. I got the following response: Thank you for contacting TODAY with Katie Couric and Matt Lauer. We receive hundreds of e-mail messages a day, and while we read them all, we might not be able to reply to each one directly. We do want you to know that we appreciate the mail you have sent and the comments you are making about our show. We created this automated response to answer many of the frequently-asked-questions as quickly as possible. We will try to answer all other questions directly when we can. For immediate help you can always call us at (212) 664-4249. For information regarding the WEEKEND TODAY show, please call (212) 664-2937. I called the number and got a voice menu that eventually led to voice mail--I asked when Joni will be on. I'll let the list know if I hear anything. I also am checking thru some contacts to see if I can get the information. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:51:45 -0500 From: "H.D. Motyl" Subject: Will & Grace This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------63661E04B05DA2314FFAB47E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So, I'm watching Will & Grace and in the middle of the show, when they are told they will have to miss Joni in concert (who didn't see *that* coming from a mile away?), I wondered what I would do. And I was reminded of a line from Truffaut's "Day for Night", a film about filmmaking. A scriptgirl has left in the middle of a shoot with a stuntman and one of the other crew says, "I could leave a man for a film, but I could never leave a film for a man." And, in my mind, I paraphrased "I would never skip a JM concert, with free front row tickets . . ." Howard M. (But this brings up my headscratching question: if you are going to a concert, aren't front row seats not that desireable acoustically? Aren't further back seats better--for the music--not for seeing the performer's nose hairs?) (Also, I don't think JM's publicist had anything to do with it, until the producers called to make sure they could use her name.) - --------------63661E04B05DA2314FFAB47E Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="howard_scptv.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for H.D. Motyl Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="howard_scptv.vcf" begin:vcard n:Motyl;Howard tel;fax:312-421-7714 tel;work:312-421-7711 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:SCPTV Worldwide adr:;;400 North May Street, Suite 201;Chicago;Illinois;60622; version:2.1 email;internet:howard_scptv@interaccess.com title:Director, Creative Development note;quoted-printable:"Anytime you have the opportunity to accomplish something for someone coming behind you and you don't,=0D=0Ayou are wasting your time on this earth."=0D=0A Roberto Clemente x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Howard Motyl end:vcard - --------------63661E04B05DA2314FFAB47E-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:02:12 -0500 From: "H.D. Motyl" Subject: re:An Erstwhile Review of Both Sides Now This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------3BB0BAE1EA2E940D5B74F5B6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >But mostly I'm writing about Tony's report regarding the Limited >Edition fiasco; my information comes from a close reading of the >Joni Mitchell Discussion List. The chocolate box promised to >contained autographed lithographs--a clear case of false >advertising--as well as beautifully printed cards of all the >lyrics and some darn stodgy prose by Larry Klein, Joni's >ex-husband and co-producer. . . . The sad thing >was that hundreds of people parted with fifty bucks for the >package and a huge percentage of them were damaged. I was P O'ed about shelling out so much money (for one disk) was the promised extras were so lame. The lithographs were good postcards, at best. I don't recall anything ever saying they were signed though. Suitable for framing, yes--which I don't think they are, unless we are considering anything suitable for framing. My disc was absolutely fine, no skips, no scratches, no nothing. I would have preferred jazz sessions (ala Dinah Washington) over the lush orchestrations, because I think her voice is better suited for that. In any case, though, I can't wait to see and hear her in person. Again. Howard M. - --------------3BB0BAE1EA2E940D5B74F5B6 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="howard_scptv.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for H.D. Motyl Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="howard_scptv.vcf" begin:vcard n:Motyl;Howard tel;fax:312-421-7714 tel;work:312-421-7711 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:SCPTV Worldwide adr:;;400 North May Street, Suite 201;Chicago;Illinois;60622; version:2.1 email;internet:howard_scptv@interaccess.com title:Director, Creative Development note;quoted-printable:"Anytime you have the opportunity to accomplish something for someone coming behind you and you don't,=0D=0Ayou are wasting your time on this earth."=0D=0A Roberto Clemente x-mozilla-cpt:;1 fn:Howard Motyl end:vcard - --------------3BB0BAE1EA2E940D5B74F5B6-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:00:26 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's book does indeed exist! In a message dated 04/05/2000 2:59:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Dmascall@aol.com writes: << What might be more interesting is something entitled "Art Book" by Joni Mitchell which has a release date some time in 2001. I'll post the ISBN for that if anyone wants it. >> If you get the ISBN, I'd like to get it from you so that I can check on the publication date periodically. Thanks a million. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:31:19 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Re: Joshua Jazz and Joni in SF (NJC) What a wonderful story! I will be happy to do that. Will he be playing at the Jazz Fest there when Brian Blade is there? Michael - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 1:46 AM Subject: Joshua Jazz and Joni in SF > I had one of those synchronistic Joni days in San Francisco today, friends. > Taking the ferry to work across the SF Bay from Marin, per usual, my thoughts > turned to Wally and I watched the seagulls at play in the sun drenched sky. > I was perusing the SF Chronicle entertainment section and came across this > Siquomb quote in the "personals" section: > > "The music business just makes me sick. It's a joke. Can you sit and enjoy > any kind of music or awards shows? Where are the adults? Where is the > class? This is whiners and screamers and screechers and they're all full of > themselves over nothing, you know, just like the scum that populates this > business. I'm ashamed to be a part of it. I hate it with a passion. - Joni > Mitchell, whose new album is Both Sides Now, in Rolling Stone" > > But wait, there's more... > > Then turning the page, I saw that Joshua Redman, who is directing the San > Francisco Jazz Festival this year, would be playing a free noon concert at > the Virgin Megastore, 3 blocks from my office. Moreover, the concert would > be recorded and a CD of the performance would be burned on the spot. A > drawing would then be held and 12 lucky attendee would go home with a copy of > the CD, which would be signed by Joshua and the band. The concert was > fabulous. Joshua and his quartet played four songs from their new CD, > "Beyond." Very adult. Very Classy. > > As fate would have it...I won! I spent an hour after the show chatting with > Joshua about jazz and Joni (of course) after he signed my CD. His wife is an > uber-fan of Joni's and insisted on playing Blue in its entirety at their > wedding reception in New York a few years back. The New York Times wrote > about their wedding and the Joni connection at the time, he said. > > Anyway, I intend to send the CD to Michael Paz. I'm hoping he'll agree to > burn copies for himself and anyone else interested in having a copy. I'll > want the original back though, Mikey. :-) > > Peace and love to all. > > -Julius > np: Joshua Redman "Beyond Live @ Virgin Megastore San Francisco" April 4, 2000 > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:26:25 -0400 From: Walter R Rodgers III Subject: missed letterman.. Hi; I also missed the Letterman appearance and would really appreciate a chance to copy the show tape... anyone who would like to help please e-mail me privately. Best; Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:39:24 -0400 From: "Christine Nunn" Subject: joni one block away from my office Hi - I read and never post, so here goes. Since my office is a mere block away from hammerstein, this morning I took a walk over. Sure enough, they are setting up for tomorrow and rehearsing today. Glimpse of Joni, so far, but I've got my binoculars and I'm ready to bump into her. Going to go to lunch where the hammerstein group usually lunch prior to shows. I'll keep everyone informed. See some of you tomorrow night! Christine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:30:28 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Giving Oprah A Push Sue Cameron shared: <> And..... Gene Mock wrote: <> How about a little conspiracy of our own? We're a pretty assertive bunch, and I think just about all of us already spend a fair share of time doing Joni PR and promotion out of the sheer love for our Siquomb cause. Joni is going to be in Chicago 5/30, with the 29th a rest day, maybe we could flood Oprah with a request for Joni as the subject of one of her shows towards the tail-end of the BSN tour. Chatty Joan will have had a little bit of a break from the TV talkshow circuit by then, reflective of how the tour has been received to date and only a month away from the opening of the Mendel exhibit. Joni on Oprah could be the interview and exposure we've waited years for!!!! Oh, *that* would be fun and Oprah certainly devotes more time than any of the other talkshows give to a "musical artist". We all know Joni is a legend, this could be a chance for everyone to get to know Joni from all sides now! Oprah.com has a link to e-mail the show for show suggestions.....what's it going to hurt to try? Maybe some could focus on what has come about in their lives via Joni and the JMDL community, others on Joni's paintings, others on Joni's music and lyrics....just everything. PR Penny ;-) :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:44:17 -0400 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: RE: missed letterman.. Does Letterman do re-runs? I didn't get to see this one or the last time she appeared on the show! Thanks dax > -----Original Message----- > From: Walter R Rodgers III [SMTP:wrodgers@blast.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 11:26 AM > To: 'joni@smoe.org' > Subject: missed letterman.. > > Hi; > I also missed the Letterman appearance and would really appreciate a > chance to copy the show tape... anyone who would like to help please > e-mail me privately. > Best; > Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:09:37 EDT From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: Re: Giving Oprah A Push NJC sorry- joni's booked with me on that free day in chicago. we're taking in the aquarium then a polish with everything at J-Dawgs. doug ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 17:23:19 +0100 From: tantra Subject: Re: Giving Oprah A Push NJC Wolfebite@aol.com wrote: > > sorry- joni's booked with me on that free day in chicago. we're taking in the > aquarium then a polish with everything at J-Dawgs. Huh? What's a J dawg and how do you pilish it? Is polishing your idea of fun? If so book a hiliday here and you can do all mine, cos I never do! > > doug ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:41:53 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: re: Letterman wow you guys on the mainland don't know how lucky you are! wish I could have seen her... Scott wrote: >The only sour note for me was that no time was left at the end of the show for Letterman to ask a few questions of Joni and allow her to tell a story or two. But any feelings I have of being cheated on that account...> and Bob wrote: >why waste the time with Oliver Platt? Joni would have been a much more interesting subject!> and Cassy wrote: > seem to recall Joni having been on Letterman once before and he didn't interview her then either...> and Mark wrote: >Now why the hell did they give so much time to that comedian? What a bore. And how disappointing there wasn't enough time to talk to Dave. This wouldn't be the first time.> and Gina wrote: >Yes, I remember that show (I had TV then!) *and* my disappointment that he didn't interview her. I recall he came out and gave her a warm hug (and kiss?) after she performed Sex Kills> and Gene wrote: >If only he didn't mess around with those ticks earlier in the show, then we could've gotten a good interview. It seems like everytime she appears on talk shows they never give her a chance to speak her mind. Joni just doesn't get no damn respect. Is there some kind of media conspiracy going on?> some thoughts... has it ever occurred to anyone else that perhaps it was not Mr. Letterman who made the call of not doing the chitchat thing after the performance... but Joni herself? in fact, if one looks at her talk show performances, wouldn't it be true that this is what she usually does, nine times out of ten? you all know how serious she is about art and of course considers her painting her art... and considers her songwriting her art... but what you may or may not realize is that she also considers her performing her art. (witness her MOA Starry Night comments?) many of you are performers yourselves. think about it... the difference between the stage personna, the dramatic pose, as it were in the concert hall or the cafe... and the talk show performance where the emotional message is presented and, hopefully communicated and now let's go over here and sit down and talk about concert dates and record sales and my views on whatever with a few comical quips thrown in for good(?) measure? ("can you say 'impact', boys and girls?") just some thoughts... pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:55:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Giving Oprah A Push NJC I just want to go on the record and say that I do NOT like wherever it is that *this* thread is going ... ;-) Don Rowe > Wolfebite@aol.com wrote: > a polish with everything at J-Dawgs. > tantra@lhasa.madafhish.com replies: > Huh? What's a J dawg and how do you pilish it? Is > polishing your idea of > fun? ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:20:17 EDT From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Further on from ....joni's book does indeed exist! Hope I'm not shooting into thin air here (again) as the author is down as J Mitchell, but it's the right publisher though. Well, we can all have bouts of wishful thinking! Here are the details: Advance Notification of Title Art Book By J Mitchell. Chatto and Windus, 31 Dec 2001, Published in UK. HARDBACK UK £15.99 0-7011-6902-8 The 31 Dec 2001 date is probably shorthand for "not for a while". David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:27:53 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: The Last Stand airing (SJC) Just came across this in Reuters News: Wednesday April 5, 10:02 am Eastern Time Company Press Release SOURCE: Echo Mountain Productions PBS Earth Week Broadcasts of Film Around the Country On Environmental Controversy THE LAST STAND - THE STRUGGLE FOR BALLONA WETLANDS (UPDATE: 2000) An award winning film hosted by Edward Asner Produced by Sheila A. Laffey Music by Joni Mitchell, Kenny Loggins, Joe Walsh WHEN: KOCE (PBS), April 20, 7:30 PM Also airing on 40 other PBS stations in April and June (Individual stations' dates and times vary.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:10:23 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni article in today's Salon In a message dated 4/4/00 12:31:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hessj@ix.netcom.com writes: << www.salon.com/people/bc/2000/04/04/mitchell/index.html >> i thought this was an excellent article and i'm glad you posted it for us. i thought it did a big picture with some very exacting details. pat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:25:42 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: Brian Blade Fellowship I was just listening to a local music program on KCRW and something was on that was so wonderful -- this jazzy, sensual track that sounded like Steely Dan with a quaalude. I said to myself, whatever this is, I am buying it. And then the singer came in and I realized it was Joni and this was the new Brian Blade CD. I'm looking forward to hearing the other tracks. - - Clark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:59:03 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni article in today's Salon Also thanks Janet for posting this URL, thanks to Deanna the wonderkitty too! My favorite segment: Today Mitchell is revered by the countless female artists whose careers she enabled -- especially the recent proliferation of confessional singer-songwriters. But whatever their angst level, few can hope to equal Mitchell's command of her instruments -- guitar, piano, voice -- not to mention her facility with lyrics, melody and arranging. "In many ways she is as influential as Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie," Bonnie Raitt told VH1 in the network's 100 Greatest Women of Rock 'n' Roll, where Mitchell came in fourth. Male songwriters and even guitar gods are equally enamored of her skills. "She brings tears to my eyes, what more can I say?" Jimmy Page has said. Elton John's songwriting partner, Bernie Taupin, once noted, "On her level, there is nobody who can touch her." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:28:56 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: BSN Review in The Advocate Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:40:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori Fye Bouncing thru again ... Always a day late (and sometimes a dollar short), I'm sure y'all have already discussed the wonderful review of BSN in the 2/29 issue of The Advocate, but just in case it wasn't discussed or you didn't read it, here's the link: http://www.advocate.com/html/music/806_bothsidesnow.html Sorry for the run-on sentence ... gotta run on now. Lori in DC NPIMH: Shawn Colvin, "Steady On" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:35:34 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: re: Letterman At 09:41 AM 4/5/00 -0700, P. Henry wrote: >has it ever occurred to anyone else that perhaps it was not >Mr. Letterman who made the call of not doing the chitchat thing >after the performance... but Joni herself? >you all know how serious she is about art Joni was seated in the guest chair, beaming, and looked very willing to talk. The show ended very abruptly as the running time was obviously over. I think that part of the talk show gig is to *talk*....if they give you a chance! The performance was great. Absolutely wonderful. But the way she was cut off from speaking seemed impolite and disrespectful. I think it would have almost been better if she had never been seated next to Letterman's desk, looking ready, willing, and able to converse. Her performance definitely was the highlight but to bring her out after the song was over and then not give her much of a chance to say anything was not very well received by yours truly. As Pat writes, perhaps it was not Mr. Letterman himself who makes the decisions about who goes on and for how long and for what. If not Dave, then somebody else calling the shots should allow the guests to represent themselves a little more fully. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:35:13 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: classical music (a bit o' Joni content) When it comes to recordings of the orchestral works of Ravel and Debussy, to my ears no one does it better than the Montreal Symphony conducted by Charles Dutoit. In particular, there is a 4 CD set of Ravel's complete works for orchestra; he was primarily a pianist and wrote mostly for piano, later orchestrating many of his piano works, and he was a brilliant and colorful orchestrator. Among my favorites is his Piano Concerto in G Major, especially the sensuous, beautiful second movement, of which there is also a great version, albeit altered with some amazing improvisation, on Herbie Hancock's album Gershwin's World (Gershwin and Ravel were mutual admirers/influences), which also features, as most of us know, Joni singing Summertime and My Man Is Gone (hey ... I gotcher Joni content right here!) - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:43:26 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on Letterman Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: <> >>ive been listening to a case of you for the last three days. i've >>listened to it probably about 5 or 6 times in a row each day. so >>far, i have only really gotten past the very beginning, maybe not >>even to the words. i can hear some constant strings at a high pitch >>like a thin drone and then more strings come in and move some. and i >>am not accustomed to anything. and i have gone about a few measures >>in one song. but it's a good song. in fact, i remember thinking the >>original had more discord in the beginning, but i felt this version >>had resolve. There's definitely a lot to listen to. After the lush, gorgeous string pre-intro (intro to the intro?), Mendoza scores Joni's familiar dulcimer intro for primarily woodwinds in a manner very influenced by the great arranger Gil Evans, famous for his work with Miles Davis (one of Joni's heroes). The discord is still there, but slightly tempered by the breathy texture. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:14:02 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Joni on Rosie Jim J. just posted an update on Wally's page regarding Joni's appearance on Rosie. She'll be singing "Answer Me My Love" and "BSN" along with an interview. Check it out, and thanks for the hard work Jim. You're doing a great job keeping us up to date on the JM.com. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:20:21 -0400 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: RE: BSN Review in The Advocate I just read the article in the Advocate. It was truly a great article. I was touched and profoundly happy that Joni is getting this recognition. I think given the chance, Joni's words and music would touch anyone gay or straight. dax > -----Original Message----- > From: Bounced Message [SMTP:les@jmdl.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 3:29 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: BSN Review in The Advocate > > Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:40:56 -0700 (PDT) > From: Lori Fye > > Bouncing thru again ... > > Always a day late (and sometimes a dollar short), I'm > sure y'all have already discussed the wonderful review > of BSN in the 2/29 issue of The Advocate, but just in > case it wasn't discussed or you didn't read it, here's > the link: > > http://www.advocate.com/html/music/806_bothsidesnow.html > > Sorry for the run-on sentence ... gotta run on now. > > Lori > in DC > > NPIMH: Shawn Colvin, "Steady On" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:28:37 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Atlanta Tickets ? In a message dated 4/5/00 3:31:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: << Chastain is an outdoor ampitheatre and can be a nice place to see a concert if you can ignore the people who come with their wine bottles, brie, and picnic baskets and talk through the whole concert until the performer plays a "hit" song that they recognize. >> It's not the wine-and-cheese crowd that bother me; it's the humidity and bugs, so I'll be going to her concert in West Palm instead. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:31:43 PDT From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: BSN Review in The Advocate There was one in Out last month, too. I'll see if I can dig it up. Reuben >From: Bounced Message >Reply-To: Bounced Message >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: BSN Review in The Advocate >Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:28:56 -0600 > >Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:40:56 -0700 (PDT) >From: Lori Fye > >Bouncing thru again ... > >Always a day late (and sometimes a dollar short), I'm >sure y'all have already discussed the wonderful review >of BSN in the 2/29 issue of The Advocate, but just in >case it wasn't discussed or you didn't read it, here's >the link: > >http://www.advocate.com/html/music/806_bothsidesnow.html > >Sorry for the run-on sentence ... gotta run on now. > >Lori >in DC > >NPIMH: Shawn Colvin, "Steady On" > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 13:45:03 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: re: classical music NJC >On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Jerome Gonzales wrote: >> Calling all music sluts....I have pitifully little classical music and even >> less knowledge about what to buy. I know what pieces and composers I like, >> but not what recordings are best. >Hello Jerome, > I don't usually worry much about that. But get the Dmitri >Pokrovsky Ensemble's version of Stravinsky's "Les Noces" (probably his >greatest piece), and none other!! >--David "Les Noces" is one of Stravinski's best. I have the Boulez version, and I generally like Boulez because, as a composer, he hears as a composer would hear, i.e., rigorous sense of structure, with all the detail in stark clarity. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 17:47:00 -0500 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: JONI ON LETTERMAN Damn....missed it, totally spaced. What are the odds I'll ever get to see that on re-runs? Oh well, there's always Meriweather Post in May. Ashara, This is the first I've heard of a video, (or is it?), of the Day in the Garden show....is it true? I was in attendance, will never forget that show, and would love a copy. Please clarify, is it a video, (VHS), that you have? Thanks in advance, Dave Fairall davebeth@bellatlantic.neta ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:39:56 +0100 From: catman Subject: NJC change I was just cleaning up my pc and putting stuff on a cdrw to sttore. Amongst them are most of the emails written to and received from this list since the middle of 97 when I joined. At the time I thought this a little obsessive but I am very glad i did. Reading through some of them has been wonderful. Sometimes it is easy to forget how many truly good people one comes across and how peoplego out of their way to be kind and supportive. I have to admit a fault of mine is to remember vividly the hurts instead of the love. Un-realised by me, I was really quite ill when I joined which ended with me having to go into a clinic for a while over Xmas 97. I have been reading all the emails from that period and just feel so good that I received so much good will. MaryGrace, Deb Messling, Les Irvin, Melinda, Lori Fye, Joseph Palis, so many of you wrote such kind hearted stuff. The biggest thing is for me to read back over all that stuff and see how I have changed, how different I am today and how different my life is. Obviously, getting off medication and therapy were necessary, but I still maintain that it was this list that really broadened my life and my heart and mind. Gave me confidence, helped me see myself in a different light altogether. None of that would have happened without you lot. Especially when i was living in that damend place and having no one around me to really communicate with. Easy to see why I spewed so much via the list. Maybe I wouldn't have had I realised it was there, archived forever!!!! But then i was not exactly level headed then so I don't suppose that would have stopped me. I know perhaps only a few of those who really know me well will get this, but this list really has given me so much, muvch more than anyone would believe possible. And all because i happen to like Joni. God certainly does work in mysterious ways. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:47:59 +0100 From: catman Subject: The Sire Of Sorrow I wrote this 2 1/2 yrs ago. Re reading it made me think of Wally, and those others amonsgt us who have faced or are facing serious illness, Like dear Anne, Ric's wife, Leslie, Janet and others. Subject: The Sire of Sorrow Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:12:41 +0000 From: colin@ethericcats.demon.co.uk To: joni@listbox.com let me speak, let me spit out my bitterness- born of grief and nights without sleep and festering flesh Do you have eyes? Can you see like mankind sees? Why have you soured and curdled me? Oh you tireless watcher! What have I done to you? That you make evrything I dread and everything I dread come true When this came out I had just entered my mid life crisis and felt as if this had been written with me in mind. The reality of death had hit home forcefully. For the first time I realised it was going to happen to me-and everyone I loved. Having spent all my life fighting to survive it came as a shock to realise I wasn't going to no matter what. I look at the skin of my arm and see wasted felsh and bone. I look at John's smile and see a grinning skull. i see the diggers waiting, they're leaning on their spades looking at new human babies, I wondered why anyone would do this-bring a wonderful new life into such an unpredictable world, full of pain and grief, only to wither and crumble with old age. better I was carried from the womb straight to the grave Show your face! Help me understand! What is the reason for your heavy hand? Who hasn't felt aprt or all of this song? How many people though, actually face these questions? Most of the people I know prefer to ignore completely. Even those who have a strong faith won't look death in the face. It is going to happen to someone else. As for wickedness, they go for cheap forgiveness. When they are caused pain they excuse the person 'as not knowing better' and so not being guilty. You can't forgive someone if you don't consider them guilty. There can be no pardon without judgement. Of course this is only one way of looking at life. And a pretty self defeating one at that. Another way is to assume responsibilty for ourselves, our feelings and our behaviour. To take the journey across the desert to our selves-the real eternal self. I have come to believe it is there. A power strong enough to have kept me alive, sane and decent despite my, and others, best efforts. I believe that power in me and evryone else is God or whatever you wish to call it. Collevtively we make up God. Like the ocean-billions of indivual raindrops making up the whole. Not just that but that every raindrop, no matter what, ends up back where it started as part of the ocean. I have come to believe that how we feel aafects not just our own lives but those of others. In a simple way like if you were grouchy at work and you mouthed off to someone else who had already had a gut full and then went home and took it out on someone there. In the grand scheme of things, what I do, say and think does matter. NOONE on this planet is here by mistake and none is more important, or less important than the other. The way to live a good life is to live with as little fear as possible therby leaving room for love and compassion. Whether or not we come from God or the Big Bang we all have the same roots, are all made from the same thing so we are all 'one'. I think, regardless of what our individual belifes or beahviours are, we all survive physical death. The conditions we find ourselves in will match exactly our inner condition. We cannot escape the consequnces of our lives. For me this represents justice. Not a jail term, not a killing, not a payout, but that one day the people that hurt me will feel for themselves the pain they caused. What is more just than that? Conversely, we will also feel th joy we caused others. Nothing we are, nothing we do is unimportant. Heaven is an opern door and within us and only we can get there by our own efforts. No one can journey across the desert for us, no one can pay our fare. Howevr, I don't think the journey is possible without contacting the sprit(god) within. Man is the sire of sorrow catman - -- "When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather - and unlike his passengers who were screaming in terror and hanging onto their seats!" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #172 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?