From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #166 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, April 2 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 166 Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund," with all donations going directly into the upkeep of the JoniMitchell.com website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds, and it will now be up to Jim to continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Wow ......... NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] A Strange Boy [CarltonCT@aol.com] BSN Review by my dad ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] re: A Strange Boy [Robert Holliston ] Re: Gay Identity (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Gay Identity (NJC) [catman ] Re: A Strange Boy [catman ] Re: Gay Identity--NJC [catman ] Re: Gay Identity (NJC) - One More Thing [MGVal@aol.com] Re: A Strange Boy [FMYFL@aol.com] Looking for fellow DC concert goers and tickets [Claudia SanSoucie ] Re: American Beauty NJC ["Australian Seashells" ] Re: Joni covered by Nancy Wilson (VLJC) [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: A Strange Boy/BSN [GuruDJSmithmix@aol.com] Re: "Gay" Identity -- NJC (was Kevin Spaceman) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni covered by Nancy Wilson (VLJC) ["Kakki" ] Concert Mailing Lists [Les Irvin ] Re: Gays (NJC) [michael w yarbrough ] Re: Joni covered by Nancy Wilson (VLJC) ["Kakki" ] Catgirl's Band Website NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Joni in the newspaper [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Catgirl's Band Website NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Thin Ice Web Page NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Columbia MD show (SJCC..some Joni concert comments)) [Loren Carter ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 03:16:22 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Wow ......... NJC There sure are a lot of articulate Joni copycats here. Meow! Channeling for CatGirl, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati np: "Romance In Durango" on CD with the bass turned nearly all the way up. And loving it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 03:24:53 EST From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: A Strange Boy At the urging of several people on this list, and after having a brief conversation with Joni, I have finally decided to come forward and tell everyone the true story of how I was introduced to the music of Joni Mitchell. It is a story that I know will incite envy among some, particularly the men on the JMDL. It had been about five years since I had returned from a two year stint in the Navy during the Viet Nam war. I was not too deep in “the shit”, as I was a sailor on a patrol boat in the South China Sea just north of Da Nang, but still, we were often fired on by the NVA. Our job was to prevent supply ships from Russia and China from reaching Hanoi and every day was filled with some small terror as we felt like slow moving ducks. I have few fond memories of that time which is a whole other story. Of course, the return of Nam vets to the States was hardly to a loving welcome, but my own family was sympathetic and allowed me to move back in with them. I soon made the basement all my own which I could enter through a storm door. I had attended Rutgers University in New Jersey for a brief period, but like a lot of vets, I was unable to concentrate on my studies. I was also a few years away from coming out of the closet. In an attempt to prove that I wasn’t gay, I made it a point to have a string of girlfriends. Sometimes when my body wouldn’t co-operate, I would tell them it was a “Nam thing” and most were very understanding. Soon, Rutgers asked me to leave and I took up other studies: Advanced Pinball, Marijuana Cultivation for Temperate Climates and Skate boarding 501 - Cement Pit Techniques. Of course, once you’ve grown some pot, you can either smoke it, which I did, or sell it, which I also did. This kept me in quarters which I brought to an arcade near campus to feed into a pinball machine called “Genie” which had a picture of a large and muscular blue skinned genie roiling in smoke out of an oil lamp on the score board. One morning I was racking up a lot of free play when someone threw a quarter on the machine, a pin baller’s way of telling you that you’ve-been-hogging-the-machine-and-howsabout-lettin’-someone-else-take-a-turn . I turned my head expecting to see my pal Cosmo behind me who was another Genie freak and a part of my smoke brotherhood. Instead I saw a petite woman wearing a short, dark wig. Her eyes were a deep steely blue flecked with hazel, and her skin was clear and pale. She had a very prominent mouth, turned down in a slight pout. What struck me most were her cheekbones which were high and dramatic, like those of a Mandarin princess. Inside me I felt a sudden hot sensation, as if a forest of trees were suddenly ignited into an inner mounting blaze. Just to look in her eyes I sensed a profound sadness that mirrored my own. My feet were nailed to the floor. After a few moments, I decided she looked a lot like Mia Farrow, but her mouth with it’s strong thrust of large white teeth reminded me more of Peggy Lipton. “Let’s take turns,” I said. She nodded silently, put her quarter in the machine and immediately tilted. She started to cry and I asked her what was wrong. I put my arm around her and she shuddered, then fell into my arms. “Nothing, it’s okay,” she said, laughing as she brushed away a tear. That silvery tinkle of a laugh I can still hear to this day. I laughed too, put a quarter in the machine and she played another ball, racking up something like a half million points. I was impressed -- I had never seen a girl who played this well or this intensely. An hour passed. I asked her if she wanted to get stoned, and she passed as it was still morning but followed me out anyway. Outside, I lit a couple of pipe-fulls, and stared at the cars as they rolled past us on a street slick with autumn rain. Moving cars have always mesmerized me, especially when I am stoned. She laughed and asked me what I was looking at. “Nothing,” I said. “What’s your name?” “Joan,” she said. “I ... I wouldn’t mind some coffee.” I knew I was supposed to ask her over to my place at that point, but I didn’t want her to know I was living at home, in the basement. “Uh, I’ve got some business to take care of,” I said. “Maybe we could meet some place later?” She told me she was staying at the Fairmont, which is the best hotel in town. I walked her to her car and saw she was driving a large and showy Mercedes Benz. “It’s not mine,” she said. “I’m driving it across country for someone.” Still somewhat embarrassed, I got on my own ride, a yellow Spitfire skateboard with a Blue Oyster Cult decal. I said I’d see her at eight. The dull, brown business buildings around us were releasing their captives for lunch. Dazed and distracted, I nearly collided with several tired and sour looking people who walked with their faces down, as if they were carrying their desks on their backs to the hamburger stands. A beat cop started to run after me, so I pumped hard with my leg and wove through a slow moving maze of matrons emerging from Macy’s whose bags and boxes went flying as I ripped past. That night, Joan got tired of waiting for me in the lobby and left me a note at the desk with her suite number on it. She looked very different when she opened the door. She had taken off the wig to reveal a fall of straight blonde hair. I thought her the most beautiful woman I had ever seen, but like all women, she was annoyed by my showing up an hour late and my inability to make decisions. She had asked me what restaurant to go to and I couldn't think of a single place. Part of it was I realized I had forgotten my wallet. When I finally admitted that, she laughed and suggested we order room service. “Great,” I said, relieved I wouldn't have to spend money. “That way we can watch the Rangers game.” “You like hockey?” she said, and smiled. Her eyes had a sparkle in them like a starry night. It was the first time I had seen her happy side which was when we both fell deep into a canyon of the warmest feelings and entered into a very beautiful journey. Of course, I don’t want to tell you everything that happened after dinner and the hockey game. Joan told me she was leaving the next morning for Vermont. A friend in Montpelier had called to tell her that they had had a deep frost a week ago and the autumn foliage was at its peak. “Sounds wonderful,” I said. “You’re welcome to join me,” was her response. We spent several days in Vermont. I hadn’t packed anything, so Joan bought me new clothes. She thought it was time I got rid of my old bell bottoms and bought me a pair of Sergio Valente designer jeans which I thought were too tight, but she said they made my legs look good. She wanted me to have a watch, a thing I hate to wear, but I let her buy one for me, a Rolex, which I lost a day later. We argued about that, about my indifference to it. I didn’t realize it had cost her thousands of dollars. At one point she screamed, “Grow up, already.” I stared at her and said, “Give me one good reason why.” Over those days we smoked pot and talked, drank beer, went to taverns, and kissed on long walks through achingly beautiful woods blazing with reds and oranges and yellows. We stayed at an old Victorian inn run by two older sisters who seemed uncomfortable with our appearances and the reek of my marijuana. They ran the inn and a doll museum/doll repair service. The television in our room was an old black and white that got one station, and not the one with the Rangers game. One night we had finished eating a New England boiled dinner when Joan thought she heard piano music. We saw one of the sisters leaving the basement of the doll museum and snuck into the basement ourselves. I lit my lighter and all around us were broken dolls from different periods, all of them staring blankly at us, some with only one eye, some without bodies, a few without heads. Up against one wall was an old upright with lots of Victorian scroll work. Joan sat down and played in the darkness. Her chords were melancholy, rich with notes from the black keys. She opened her mouth to sing and these words came out: “Everything comes and goes, marked by lovers and styles of clothes.” I had heard that song before. My sister Jill used to play that album all the time. What was it called? I asked Joan. “Court and Spark,” she told me. “Right,” I said. “Joni Mitchell...or Joan Baez,” I said. She laughed and said, “It’s Joni Mitchell.” “Are you sure” I asked? “Positive,” she answered. She played another piano song, something which sounded like “Ho Ho Dance.” I was totally hypnotized. I had never heard anything more beautiful and immediate in my life. “I have to take you back tomorrow,” she said, lighting a Marlboro. “Why?” “I’m going to New York. Staten Island actually. To buy a mandolin.” Our last night together was ... well, that’s between us. But for a moment, I felt as if we were both on fire, an ecstatic fire that started in our room and then leapt through the window to rage across the countryside. When we checked out the following morning, one of the two sisters couldn’t look us in the eye. Both seemed groggy and tired as we had kept them up. “How did you sleep?” the other one asked, staring at us as if we had murdered her children. I can’t even think about the moment Joan and I said good-bye to to each other, except to say that it haunts me to this day. A year later, I joined a rehabilitation group and returned to school. I met a handsome gay man who asked me if I had ever walked on the wild side, and who eventually gave me an extensive tour of it. I got a job in a record store and remembered when an album was shipped to us with a striking black and white cover. It was HEJIRA and I realized it was Joan on the cover in a big fur coat. I went through the Joni Mitchell rack and looked through all of her other albums, cursing my stupidity. I put Hejira on immediately, chased out the customers and closed the doors. Five tracks in, I realized that Joni had written a song about our time together. And if you’ve gotten this far, APRIL FOOLS! xxoo, Clark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 03:29:49 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: BSN Review by my dad Today, Al L'Hommedieu reviewed the Limited Edition packaging of Joni's new "Both Sides Now". In an earlier post, this long time, Swing era jazz fan called BSN "Beautiful!" He has never used this word to describe anything from our era- not even the Chicago and BS&T horn parts although he liked them a lot! ".... What a great case to present the CD in! It looks like a chocolate tin! And the pictures! What a high class package! The pictures are..... special.... they're better than normal CD pictures. They look like photographs!" Are there credits to the SongWriters, Dad? "Oh, yeah! is credited. The arrangers, the writers, everybody. And it's printed on really nice paper! The whole package is nice!" All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati Does anyone have a new or used Limited Edition for sale? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 03:51:59 -0800 From: Robert Holliston Subject: re: A Strange Boy LOL - good one, Clark! You had me going there for a while - that was one most excellent April Fools' Day joke! hee hee, Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 08:25:04 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Gay Identity (NJC) I really enjoyed this thread. Great writing and great thoughts by all. Truth be told, these so-called "gay threads" are some of my favorites if only because it reminds me of the struggles of those who are outside society's established model. Of course, society welcomes a few eccentrics, but even those are allowed only if they are within well defined boundaries. But that's not the most important thing that I pick up from these threads. What I really always get and cherish is the reminder for me to count my blessings. The reminder that I live a charmed life because I have the gift of assumption. And until you lose it, it's that old "you don't know what you've got til it's gone" pain. Because I am smack-dab in the middle of society's model: straight, white, middle-class female, I can assume so many things that others have to fight for or do without. Since I'm straight, I can assume that I can live with or marry the man of my choice without wondering which state, (if only), will bless my marriage and allow the related benefits. Because I am straight, I can walk down the streets and hold his hand or kiss his lips without fear of harassment. Because I am white, I am not concerned about being locked out of housing. Because I am straight, I am not concerned about someone with "good intentions" taking away my children. The assumptions go on and on. Even within religion, although I have withdrawn from the Catholic Church for a variety of reasons, (their stance on abortion, gays, women in general), the very core of who I am is not an abomination in their eyes. My god, I have so much wealth and so much of it stems from whatever genetic quirk that has designed me to be straight. Such a simple thing to get so many riches, which is why threads such as these make me think. Some people have written to ask why is it anyone's business whether anyone is gay or straight and I think that the answer is nestled above. Until all of the assumptions that I enjoy do not stem from the twists of nature that make you different: sexual, skin color, whatever; then people are always going to try to make it public business. Perhaps a route to help change this mindset is for people such as Kevin Spacey or Ricky Martin or whomever to treat the "are you?" question in a manner that lets people know they would be proud to be either way. I think that sometimes there is a quality of hostility when the answer to the question is: "I'm straight" and the implication is "for god's sake don't mistake me for anything else." Let them, (and all of us!), practice and preach the concept of "gay or straight: it's all good," and have that go beyond tolerance and beyond acceptance to where who you love and how you love is no more a matter in the housing/job/benefits/volunteer/religion market than which side of the roll you let the toilet paper hang. I know that is how God thinks, we should strive for the same thing. Thanks again to all who participated. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 14:34:39 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Gay Identity (NJC) > > > Thanks again to all who participated. > > MG And thank you MG for such a wonderful post. reading such makes me realise that are some people with their heads and hearts in the right place. I know from having known you for the last almost 3 yrs(yes it has been that long) that you mean what you say and practice what you preach. Even tho we are very different people, I know from our communications that we share a lot in common. Thanks for truly being a sister and for steeping up to be counted. love colin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 14:38:03 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: A Strange Boy I had forgotten it was April 1st but I still thought there was something VERY fishy about this tale. My first thought was 'this can't be the same Carlton'. Having said that, it was well written, just like it was a real memory. But Carlton and Joni shagging? No way! Not evn for April 1st! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 14:43:33 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Gay Identity--NJC Well as you know, I was brought up catholic (till we changed to being JW's and from there Born Again Xtians-yes apart from being child abusers my family were just plain weird) and have little or no time for them. I told my priest when i was 14 that i was gay. His response was that Jesus would find suicide easier to forgive than for me to live the life of a pervert. Of course I didn't know then that Church was full of peadophiles and that the Church hid this and did nothing about it. It took a long time to shake off the attitude that all non rat catchers were less than us and destined for Hell. Of course the JW's say just the same and the BAX also say the same. So glad to be free of all the evil nonsense and to realise God is whatever I understand God to be, not what somone else says She is. Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/31/00 5:18:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, > catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: > > << However, it comes from the > Catholic Church, just one of many that practice, in the name of God, > homophobia. > So I found that although I agreed with the piece, I was also astounded at the > hypocrisy. >> > > you got that exactly right. not only on homophobia was it hypocritical, but > on sexism in general, vis a vie the role of women in society. but what is > not surprising, within the catholic church, is a continuous voice of protest > which is always ringing out loud crying for real truth and real > understanding. having read the whole piece, my personal conclusion was the > priest who wrote it went as far as he could go with out crossing the lines of > indictment. but you know within the established church, they all know what > he was saying, and voices like that have some influence. > > i no longer attend church as a catholic, by my wife's choice, not my own. > but that article's existance makes me feel good about catholics. like they > are not all what they want us to think they are. perhaps the institution > operates like the army or navy or u.s. steel, or general motors....like a big > aircraft carrier, which once the ice berg is seen, it may take a few hours > for the boat to actually change course. or in the case of the church, > perhaps a few centuries as opposed to hours. > > i will tell you one thing from personal experience. i lived for three years > in a catholic abbey which housed about 25 priests. of the 25, 18 were open > about their homosexuality. not that they were engaging. but that was their > orientation. i believe as a statistic, catholic priests hold a very high > ratio of homosexuality. and in reality, it is certainly higher than they > admit as an institution. > > why not? it solves all those problems of augustine. 'so you're gay...no > problem...go celibate, and it's all gone! > > right. pat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 08:46:43 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Gay Identity (NJC) - One More Thing In a message dated 4/1/00 5:34:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << And thank you MG for such a wonderful post. reading such makes me realise that are some people with their heads and hearts in the right place. You know, I think that many people DO have their hearts in the right place, but they may need help, a moral flashlight if you will. That's why I think, that although it may be frustrating and irritating as hell, within these threads, one needs to always try to be that flashlight regardless of coming across the same pigeonholing platitudes time after time after time. >> I know from having known you for the last almost 3 yrs(yes it has been that long) Wow! Amazing! And I want to say that getting to you know has been a real thrill and pleasure. From learning about you, I have fallen in love with you and recognize you as a kin to my soul. Thank you for being open to me. >> that you mean what you say and practice what you preach. Even tho we are very different people, I know from our communications that we share a lot in common. Thanks for truly being a sister and for steeping up to be counted. love >> Here's a small bit of fruit from practicing what you preach: Over the last election in California, they had Proposition 22 on the ballot. This Proposition "simply" defined marriage as being "only between a man and a woman." Out of the blue and with absolutely no input from me, my 10 year old daughter organized her own small school campaign to raise awareness of this "trojan horse" measure. She gave playground "lectures," contributed her spending money to the anti-proposition campaign and had me put up two lawn signs. She wore her "no on 22" button as proudly as she wore her 'N Sync tee shirt. She dealt with taunts of "you're a lesbo!" with such pride and dignity that several teachers took the time to call me and commend me for it. Needless to say, I was thrilled. And I know that a lot of her attitude comes from listening to me talk about these threads from the list. So you all deserve another round of applause, MG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:48:29 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: A Strange Boy April Fools Day or not, Clark that was a *great* story. It held my attention the entire way. I Hope we can have another writers contest like back in '98 so I can enjoy lots of stories like this. pleeeeeaaaassssee. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 09:49:35 -0500 From: Claudia SanSoucie Subject: Looking for fellow DC concert goers and tickets Hi has anyone an extra ticket to the DC show? I am going alone and would rather sit with fellow JMDL members. Let me know quickly because I need to make sure I will still get a ticket. If noone has an extra ticket, if you could let me know in which section or seats you are I'll try to get some there. I do believe I saw a post regarding Marian coming to the DC show. Love to see hook up. Thanks Claud 9 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:28:21 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: A Strange Boy This was great, Clark! This deserves it's own place in the Gallery! Mark NP-Mingus Demos-Sweet Sucker Dance, coming to a CD tree near you! (if anyone can give me advice on how to get reel-to-reels onto CD I would appreciate it) At 3:24 AM -0500 4/1/00, CarltonCT@aol.com wrote: >At the urging of several people on this list, and after having a brief >conversation with Joni, I have finally decided to come forward and tell >everyone the true story of how I was introduced to the music of Joni >Mitchell. It is a story that I know will incite envy among some, >particularly the men on the JMDL. - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:43:56 +0800 From: "Australian Seashells" Subject: Re: American Beauty NJC Hi, JMDL'ers, Can't resist de-lurking for the sheer heck of it. I too enjoyed AB hugely. I felt it showed in the case of mundane Lester Burnham really well how 99% of people are spending most of their lives half-asleep. How their lives are ruled and determined by patterns and circumstances they're mostly not even aware of as such (upbringing, conditioning by society, peers, etc..) but which, if asked, they would say are their own choices! Amazing. But then, a kick-in-the-ass at the right time, and hey, presto! There it is! Whatever's been missing all this time, the incredible feeling of being alive, being at the center of things, in love - or whatever you may call it. And all of a sudden, as Lester's perception changes (although nobody else's does, which creates a lot of friction, of course) and he becomes aware of what he (really) wants and feels and how far away he's got from where he wants to be - HE GOES FOR IT. However silly this may seem, I think that very few of us actually ACT on those bright flashes of insight we occasionally all seem to get. So much easier to just sigh wistfully and sleep on... And so it's great fun and excitement to see this guy being smitten so badly that he just can't help making a fool of himself over some silly girl - and waking up. By the time he does become aware of who he is and you figure that from now on, he'll be up to something really good, he unfortunately gets shot, but hey - at least he was wide awake and knowing it at the time! I sometimes feel that this is more than most of us achieve in a lifetime and see this movie as very inspirational and hopeful (and of course, funny) - it's never too late! Kevin Spacey did a great job there - as much as I like Russell Crowe, I thought that Oscar went to the right guy. Greetings from Oz, Simone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 11:05:57 -0500 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: sweet vinyl! (NJC) I was going around this morning, doing my usual saturday morning yard sale hopping and had found a cool vest and velvety shirt, but for the most part, was fairly disappointed with most of them(there's always a sign saying "huge yard sale" and then you get there and all they have is a couple of shirts, a picture frame, and a bunch of old dishes.) But I stopped at one near the end, and there was a box of albums that looked like noone had even thumbed through. In the first box, there were several Beatles albums which I was surprised anyone would be selling. There were also several Joni albums which I did not buy as I had all of them. I did get a handful though, including "4-way street" which I did not have. But what has amazed me is Neil Young "Decade" which I got on cd a long time ago but had never heard on vinyl before. Now these records were pristine for the most part, looking like they had hardly been played. But I'm listening to Neil Young without any scratches and it sounds like he's in the room. I've never heard these songs sound like this. I know there's a digital revolution but there's some quality to vinyl recordings that cd's and dat's etc, will never have just a million VG-8's could never take the place of an acoustic guitar. Victor http://www.mindspring.com/~waytoblu/Tangled.htm NP: Neil Young- Long May You Run ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 08:39:41 -0800 (PST) From: leslie@torchsongs.com Subject: Story of Three Loves & TNT Special The Story of Three Loves will be rebroadcast on Turner Classic Movies on 6/10/00 at 3:30am (EST). It's definitely worth taping if you have a VCR. Joni has mentioned that seeing this film as a young girl inspired her to create music. Have special guests been mentioned for the TNT Tribute? It would be great to include Judy Collins performing "Chelsea Morning" or "BSN" and Bob Dylan performing "Big Yellow Taxi." What about our own David Lahm? :=) Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:33:41 EST From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: Digital Sunflowers --keeping JM.com growing! Hi, This is just to say THANK YOU SO MUCH to all the people who mailed for Sunflower seeds in memory of Wally. E-mail me and I will send you a digital photo of one of Mrs. Chili's sunflower oil paintings. (Please Note: Jim I will be bundling up all the donations and mailing them to you at the end of the week). Wally gave us so much. This is really a way to not only give back but to get back, literally, into the garden. If you would like these seeds (ALL proceeds to JoniMitchell.com) please mail $5 US Dollars and a self addressed stamped envelope with 66cents postage. If you're outside the states then just affix enough postage to get a 1.5 oz letter to you. This is a colorful mix and we spared no expense in putting together the most diverse and beautiful sunflowers we could find. All you need is a sunny location, even a balcony 60 stories up will suffice for good results. Instructions are included. Also, these make great gifts not to mention you will be loved by your neighborhood birds. Some are purple, some are doubles, some are Vangogh's green, some are the most electric stunning sunflowers you have ever seen..... Please send $5 check or money order payable to Jim Johanson along with the SASE with 66 cents postage to: The Chilis :-D ;-) Little Garden House 8 Possum Drive New Fairfield, CT 06812 USA NP--(Now Planting) snap peas and pansies. BTW, my autumn pansies made it through a nasty New England winter and are in bloom. Call me a pansy anytime! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 18:38:05 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Gay Identity (NJC) - One More Thing > > > So you all deserve another round of applause, > > MG No you do! That is fantastic. And single mothers are supposed to be...well you know without me telling you! I've told John that when he pops his clogs, I am going to marry you and live in the USA! love colin xoxoxo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:24:37 -0500 From: "Donald Fluke" Subject: Florida Tickets I found a new broker that saved me $50/ticket for the concert in West Palm Beach. Guaranteed rows 1-10 (Golden Circle) for $200, on 5/17, if you want to pay the price. For Joni - anything. Although he said, he had nothing available for the first row. What does this mean? Has Joni reserved these seats? Hmmm. Don in Ft. Lauderdale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:42:08 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni covered by Nancy Wilson (VLJC) In a message dated 03/31/2000 11:34:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, zapuppy2@webtv.net writes: << <> Fer sure, that's a great thought! Pressure's on Stephen.....now the world will be counting on you! ;-) (way to turn the tables Kakki. wink) >> I think my bluff has been called :-) Now I have to try and figure out a way to approach Ms. Wilson or some of her people! I think I've painted myself into a corner. Stephen--thinking that perhaps it is better to lurk because I don't get into trouble that way :-D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:17:00 EST From: GuruDJSmithmix@aol.com Subject: Re: A Strange Boy/BSN You had me going too! I kept thinking as I was reading, this sounds more like a dream that reality! Good one! I always enjoy an intelligent April fools joke! Been listening to BSN for almost a week now, and cant stop tearing up everytime "A case of you" comes on! Ahh, Joni moves me beyond words once again! I also had the small office I work in (theirs five of us) all listening to BSN in their own offices (picked up two CD's for them and taped it for the other two) which I had to smile about! Too funny! Go Joni Go! Still not sure if I will be able to get to NYC to see her this spring, missed her w/Dylan in 98, so I better get planning! Peace & light to you all! >>Guru DJ Smithmix ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 11:27:47 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: "Gay" Identity -- NJC (was Kevin Spaceman) > > Sorry for the bounce thru ... > > Since the subject has (again) come up, I am taking > this opportunity to invite everyone who can (speaking > broadly) afford to do so to PLEASE make your physical > presence known at the upcoming Millenium March on > Washington on April 30. Wow! Ellen's coming out episode was on my birthday and now this. And they say it's a 'choice'! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 11:46:50 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Diana Krall (NJC) > I was third in line at Bass for tickets to the Concord > Pavilion - bought 3 - for myself, the husband and > Mark from Seattle. We got orchestra > pit, 7th row. Whoo Hoo! > > Leslie > > Healing very nicely thanks to recent live music from > Dylan and Diana at our very own Santa Cruz Civic Auditorium! And a big WHOO HOO and thank you to you, Leslie! You are the TicketMistress! We have Diana Krall's 'When I Look In Your Eyes' cd and it is gorgeous. A creamy smooth voice & masterful delivery coupled with great songs. I also recently got an Annie Ross disc from CDNow (which btw is in bad financial shape) called 'Annie Ross Sings A Song With Mulligan'. Mostly this is just Annie with saxophonist Gerry Mulligan on some classic tunes like 'I've Grown Accustomed To Your Face', 'How About You' and 'This Time the Dream's On Me'. It is reminiscent of Billie Holiday's recordings with Lester Young (Porkpie Hat, The Prez) and is very nice. I seem to be gravitating more toward jazz singers as I get older & less interested in the 'new Joni Mitchells' (the original is enough for me, thank you). Anybody know anything about Dee Dee Bridgewater? I saw her on Ovation recently and thought she was incredible! I think if Ella & Sarah ever did the Melissa & Julie thing with maybe Johnny Hartman standing in for the Croz, the resulting progeny would probably be Dee Dee Bridgewater. If anybody can advise a good Dee Dee cd to start with, I would appreciate it. I also recently ordered the Dusty Springfield anthology from CDNow using one of Laura the Coupon Queen's $10 CDNow coupons. Thank you, Laura! The JMDL rules! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 11:58:00 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni covered by Nancy Wilson (VLJC) > I think my bluff has been called :-) Now I have to try and >figure out a way to approach Ms. Wilson or some of her >people! I think I've painted myself into a corner. No, no Stephen - just relax, order a martini, tell yourself you are a reporter for the JMDL and put on your best charming smile. That's what I do and it works every time ;-) And if you are not able to chat with her, please at least give us a review of the show, I'd love to hear it. Have a wonderful evening! Kakki NP: New Steely Dan album on 5th repeat - LUV it!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:54:23 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Joni covered by Nancy Wilson (VLJC) <> A tip from a JMDLer with masters in meeting music celebs. 10 points for Kakki. Score now even, at zero. <> Well wishing while in the heat of competition. Classy move! 10 points, Kakki. Score Stephen 0, Kakki 10. <> Och oh! Back to the math. Two Against Nature is nearly an hour long. Kakki's post was sent two minutes before noon. Even if the 5th play was only on the first track, we're talking a Joni like night-owl being up by 8ish. Ha! I don't think so! Points earned earlier in post must be thrown out due to false information. Congrats Stephen, you're still in the lead! ;-D Have a great time tonight, and please don't go back to lurking. ;-) Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 15:27:09 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Gays From: "Nick Straw - LCA" Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 08:27:00 +0100 Hi all, I did not think the Joni discussion list would be so diverse in subject. From an Englishman's point of view, and being Gay, where did all this talk begin about being a 'Gay' community. Does everyone mean a catholic tense or that we should all live together like the Jews, Asians, Hispanics etc and have a Gay quarter? In England, London and Brighton have always had Gay 'comminuties'. It has been pushed and man-made in Manchester and there is a tenuous community in Blackpool. Elsewhere we all integrate with the rest of society. I personally have had no problems with being Gay whereever I have lived. Being open about it is the main thing, to educate the bigots and the blinkered religious baffoons who style themselves as the moral guardians of society. As for capitalism, America is the greatest example of Man's achievement and the American Constitution is the greatest document ever written (based on the English 'Magna Carta'). It is, in essence, still the land of opportunity and the land of the free. You were also lucky to have Ayn Rand to point you in the right direction: but you continue to ignore her. There are many Americans who seem to have no sense of reality, of proportion or of objective thought. There are many silly laws in your States, especially California re: the smoking bans which have reduced profit for bars so it looks like that will be reversed soon. Then there is that perverse 'Knights Initiative'. Are these things really important? Your government seems to pamper to minorities or pressure groups and lacks the broader picture and does not have vision. You seem to end up with a hotch-potch of compromise for compromise sakes. The future for the world's greatest country looks very bleak. A return to basics and a re-read of the Constitution would be a start. Cheers Carl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 15:35:31 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Concert Mailing Lists Joniphiles - In the past, I have set up mailing lists for each stop on Joni's tour. Soon, the JMDL website will be moving to a new server which will necessitate a change in the way the mailing lists are done. From this point on, we will use eGroups (at http://www.egroups.com) to host the concert lists. Anyone interested in hosting a concert list should head over there and sign up. When the list is operational, post the info to the list, then give me the necessary info and I'll add it to the website. Thanks! Les NP: The Byrds "Live at the Fillmore, February 1969" - A Clarence White fan's dream come true! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 17:02:11 -0600 (CST) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: Gays (NJC) On Sat, 1 Apr 2000, Bounced Message wrote: > From: "Nick Straw - LCA" > Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 08:27:00 +0100 > > Your > government seems to pamper to minorities If our government pampered minorities, they would no longer be minorities in any sense of the word other than numerical. Just one case in point among many: hate crimes legislation including sexual orientation was not passed even after the highly publicized, gruesome death of Matthew Shepard. Whether it's advisable legislation or not is another matter; the fact remains that any minority-pampering government would have enacted it with dispatch. The only groups our government pampers with any regularity are those with money. - --Michael, who used to work in the government ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 17:20:52 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni covered by Nancy Wilson (VLJC) Penny the pointkeeper calculated: > <> > > Och oh! Back to the math. Two Against Nature is nearly >an hour long. Kakki's post was sent two minutes before >noon. Even if the 5th play was only on the first track, we're >talking a Joni like night-owl being up by 8ish Make that *still* up at Noon ;-) Kakki, yawning but holding fast entertaining wild and crazy houseguests this weekend ;-O NP: Steely Dan - West of Hollywood ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 18:01:07 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Updated CSN Bio (Joni content) I finally picked up the updated Crosby, Stills & Nash biography, copyright 2000, written by Dave Zimmer and Henry Diltz and it is phenomenal. The book was first published in 1984. The new version updates the group since then and includes TONS of incredible photos that Diltz unearthed from his archives - I've never seen a book so chock full of photos on nearly every page. All of the boys and their friends were interviewed for the book, including Joni and there is, of course, lots of great Joni content throughout with more in-depth discussion of the Laurel Canyon days, why Joni wrote the Dawntreader about Croz, their meeting and relationship, the production of Song to a Seagull, a somewhat bittersweet recounting by Graham of his relationship with Joni and more. This book is beautiful and includes details of each of C, S and N's early lives (they were all adorable children ;-) and numerous musical combinations. Think I paid around $15 using a Laura coupon at Barnes and Noble ;-) It's worth it just for the photos alone. Kakki NP: Old Steely Dan - Peg (gee, I love these guys!) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:15:34 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Catgirl's Band Website NJC Hey Friends, Well, after everything is said and done, Eric and I are officially in the band. Here is our website. It is just getting started but there are a few pics of us..the band. There is one with my new Taylor!! Whoo-Hooo!!! We will also have a onelist site for up coming gigs. Anyone in the general proximity of me would like to be on the list....contact me privately. Catgirl YEA!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:28:28 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Joni in the newspaper Hi, My husband was reading a book review in the Philly Inquirer and sawJoni in print. Apparently, David Geffen was working on a bio with this guy Tom King. After a while he refused to help him....here is the excerpt... *The writer, George Trow, "recorded an incident in which Ertegun had overheard Geffen sucking up to Joni Mitchell on the telephone: 'He must be talking to an artist,' said Ertegbe. 'He's got that soulful look on. He is trying to purge at this moment all traces of his eager greed.'" According to King, Geffen reacted to the New Yorker piece by running to the bathroom and throwing up. Interesting Bio. The last thing the paper said was.....Geffen may like like what he reads about himself in The Operator but despite his protestations, the book does not smack of character assassination. Character suicide is more like it..... Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:30:57 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Catgirl's Band Website NJC In a message dated 4/1/2000 9:18:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, CaTGirl627@aol.com writes: << Well, after everything is said and done, Eric and I are officially in the band. Here is our website. >> Ok here is the official listing.....thinice.rocknrollband.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:31:59 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Thin Ice Web Page NJC Hi gang, This new web page needs visitors. There are a few pics of the band with more coming in shortly. It will make me purrrrr if some of you would check out the site and give me some feedback. I have never done any of this befor so feedback can be a nessecity for a great site..... Hugs, Catgirl www.thinice.rocknrollband.com ------------------------------ Date: 1 Apr 00 23:33:08 EST From: Loren Carter Subject: Columbia MD show (SJCC..some Joni concert comments)) Claudia, I'm going to the concert in Columbia (with the misses) and have been having supersecret negotiations to have a little meet and greet with the magical Marian (and her sister). Nothing's been confirmed or set in cement, then again we have a couple of months. Our tickets are in row P, right Orchestra, seats 34 and 36. Should you hae thoughts about the location and/or times for a meet before the concert, please feel free to interject. Loren..... Claudia SanSoucie wrote: > Hi has anyone an extra ticket to the DC show? I am going alone and would > rather sit with fellow JMDL members. Let me know quickly because I need to make sure I will still get a ticket. If noone has an extra ticket, if you could let me know in which section or seats you are I'll try to get some there. I do believe I saw a post regarding Marian coming to the DC show. > Love to see hook up. Thanks Claud 9 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:58:00 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Joni covered by Nancy Wilson (VLJC) <> Duh! But, of course! An option a novice night-owl wouldn't have considered. ;-) Sorry Kakki! Sorry Stephen, wanted to figure out some way to encourage you to continue in the game, after you used the dreaded "lurk" word, and not just because of how large the pot has become in the JMDL's "who's going to find NW covering JM" pool. ;-) Run, run, run, run Let's see you run We'll be betting by the starting gun! (April fools, btw) <> Ah, yes, couple the above vision with a friendly private email I received very early this morning from another lovely JMDLer who gets to enjoy the Greek concert and it's SoCal gang pre and post concert parties.......and I'm feeling like the dejected kid, kicking the can down the street, who won't get to join in. Wah! That's the show I really wanted to go to and meet that darn SoCal gang that always sounds to be such a fun and warm group. ;-) But I hope every single list member who gets to see Joni at the various venues around the States on this tour, has a wonderful time.....both experiencing the concert and each other. ex-point keeper Penny, bow, bow bowing away from playfully playing that role. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 03:37:50 EDT From: Chilihead2@aol.com Subject: The Connecticut BSN Show The Connecticut Joni Show will be held on Saturday May 27th at the Oakdale Theater, Wallingford, Connecticut. Here is the link to the Connecticut venue. The Oakdale theater is a medium sized venue indoor venue in Wallingford, Connecticut http://www.oakdale.com/schedule.ht lm The show is not updated on their website but it is confirmed at the box-office (203)265-1501. Our Heather has graciously offered to purchase tickets for JMDLers who will be attending that show the night of May 27th. She lives only a few minutes from the box office. You can contact Heather at GALLIH@mail.ccsu.edu Of course some sort of party will be in order as the concert draws near! Counting down the days! - -Chili ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 01:24:35 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: did I miss something? NJC pardon me for bothering the list with this minor concern as probably I'm the only one who doesn't know the answer but can someone tell me what happened to JMDL.com? I am barely able to skim, much less read the occasional digest at this time with my schedule so I know it's quite possible/probable that I missed an onlist announcement regarding this but I haven't been able to access the site for days! TIA, pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #166 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?