From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #157 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 28 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 157 Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund," with all donations going directly into the upkeep of the JoniMitchell.com website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds, and it will now be up to Jim to continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- JONI IN COLUMBIA MD. [dave fairall / beth miller ] Apologies for my NJC blunder(NJC) [Ken Corral ] Re: This Just In-Joni Ad Campaign [FMYFL@aol.com] [none] [Bounced Message ] Re: Rosemont Tickets [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Morning Morgantown [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Kerry's post [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC Re: BSN reviewed in Holland [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: ["catman" ] Tribute Tickets [TanyerSCO@aol.com] Oscars (NJC) ["Kakki" ] American Beauty won (NJC)!!!!!!!! [evian ] Re: santana, matthews, brahms...njc [FredNow@aol.com] NJC Rosemont Tickets (NJC) [Scott and Jody ] Re: Got my ticket for E-Center [CaTGirl627@aol.com] I'm still here! [Michael Paz ] BYT assimilated [Scott Price ] Serious email withdrawal! (NJC) [M.Russell@iaea.org] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:20:09 -0600 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: JONI IN COLUMBIA MD. Successfully ordered 6 tics online today at 10:00, {when they officially went on sale - Ticketmaster-} for the May 25'th show in Columbia Md @ $92.11 per, due to the exorbitant "convenience charge"...........ouch!! I know it's a once in a lifetime event, but that's ridiculous. We're psyched, although my wife is prego, and due.... guess when.... late May. Dave Fairall Baltimore Md. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:01:12 -0800 From: Ken Corral Subject: Re: Magnolia and Aimee Mann Ken in SF Wrote: >I, too, find it hard to believe that aimee was overlooked in order to honor >Phil Collins. >Furthermore, I've heard Aimee publicly disparage Phil Collins in particular >when lamenting what the masses consider "Good Ballad Writing". Someday, >Aimee will be properly appreciated. >Ken in SF Actually guys, think about it, given what the Academy Awards are (and I like 'em as much as the next guy), its better that she DIDN'T win. Ken in L.A. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:12:17 -0800 From: Ken Corral Subject: Apologies for my NJC blunder(NJC) Its been so long since I posted anything to this list I completely forgot to tag my post NJC...s*o*r*r*y. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:25:14 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: This Just In-Joni Ad Campaign Paz writes: << I just found out about this and I thought it would cheer some of you folks up about (the usually poor) advertising behind Joni's stuff. 4/24 issue People Magazine (full page/4 color ad) >> Thanks for the info Michael, I just looked at the April 3rd issure of People Magazine, and there's a full page ad of Joni. GREAT!!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:38:39 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: [none] From: "kerry" Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:39:27 -0600 Hi! As I said previously, I'm new to this list and relatively new to the Internet. I'm so happy that because of "Joni.com," I found out about the concert in Chicago. I missed her last tour with Dylan because I live in Milwaukee and we are sometimes "out of the loop" when it comes to Chicago events. (pun intended). I am now ecstatic because I have tickets for the Chicago concert. I will be going with my sister who first got my into Joni's music (she was 24 and I was 14) and her daughters (18 & 16) Practically 3 generations! I'm just in awe because I saw her in 1979 and the tickets were $10.50! My big question is, does anyone else feel totally overwhelmed by all the Joni media coverage, the web sites, the discussion list itself? For so long, I never heard anything in the press about her and hardly knew any people that were fans, let alone all the new artists who cite her as an influence. I guess I just felt like she was my private little "find" and got used to feeling that way. I even took a trip with a friend to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame basically to see what they had about her. (The rest of it was cool, too) Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone else shared the same feelings.....I'm sure I will adjust, because it's all very interesting. Thanks, Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:35:32 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Rosemont Tickets Everyone addressed and Scott and Jody, Wolfebite@aol.com wrote: > > > i know it's weeks and weeks away- but i hope we all can do dinner (plus > anyone else that's coming)... i'll do some more investigating- with the > convention center right there, there are a bunch of restaurants within > walking distance. preference to dine before or after? i'm willing to make a > night of it. > > doug It works out that I will be in Chicago the Saturday and Sunday prior (May 27 and 28) because I will be at Comiskey Park... so I'll be staying in Chicago rather than come home on the 29th amd go back on the 30th, and take in the Titanic and the Dead Sea Scrolls exhibits, so for me, just as easy to eat ahead of time and I can only say: pizza. One cannot get pizza in Michigan. Wooooohoooo... I may actually have a life this year! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:50:38 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Morning Morgantown Everyone I know from Morgantown, West Virginia swears the song is about Morgantown, West Virginia. But what do I know? (the Rev) Vince Sally Pont wrote: > I have never thought of this as a literal place, but rather as an idealization of morning and newness. "Morgen" is German for "morning," and I have always assumed Joni knew that and created the name for this magical place as a result. Joni invented other words the Siquomb and Sisotowbell; I think Joni's Morgantown as being similar to Sisotowbell Lane: a Joni world. > > Sally > > -----Original Message----- > From: TanyerSCO@aol.com [SMTP:TanyerSCO@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 12:13 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Morning Morgantown > > Does anyone know to which Morgantown Joni is referring? > > Thanks! > Tanya ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:52:58 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Kerry's post << My big question is, does anyone else feel totally overwhelmed by all the Joni media coverage, the web sites, the discussion list itself? >> Firstly Kerry, welcome to the group...It's certainly a busy time here with all the Joni activity...at times we've got to try and stir up conversation about Joni but these days it's been mostly monitoring all the information and media! I can't quite get over all the promotion and attention she's getting these days, and I love it! Overwhelmed? I don't think I'm there yet, but I'm working on it! :~) << For so long, I never heard anything in the press about her and hardly knew any people that were fans, let alone all the new artists who cite her as an influence. I guess I just felt like she was my private little "find" and got used to feeling that way. >> And here you find out that the world is a little smaller, and all of a sudden there are literally hundreds of people who want to talk you about Joni's legacy of work and what it has meant and is continuing to mean in their lives! It's pretty cool indeed. Bob NP: Dave Van Ronk, "That Song About the Midway" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:57:38 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: BSN reviewed in Holland In a message dated 3/27/00 3:41:51 PM US Central Standard Time, john.van.tiel@wxs.nl writes: << You need a good talking to by a Dutch uncle, my lad!>> That's fine, I could use an education from one of the Dutch masters...:~) <> That would absolutely rock! I'll send you the details... Bob NP: Janis Siegel, "River" (Mmmmmm, it's mightty nice...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 04:18:25 +0100 From: "catman" Subject: Re: - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bounced Message" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 2:38 AM > From: "kerry" > Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:39:27 -0600 > > > My big question is, does anyone else feel totally overwhelmed by all the > Joni media coverage, the web sites, the discussion list itself? For so > long, I never heard anything in the press about her and hardly knew any > people that were fans, let alone all the new artists who cite her as an > influence. I guess I just felt like she was my private little "find" > and got used to feeling that way. I even took a trip with a friend to > the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame basically to see what they had about her. > (The rest of it was cool, too) Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone > else shared the same feelings.....I'm sure I will adjust, because it's > all very interesting. > > Thanks, > Kerry > Until I got a pc and got on the net I had never come across another Joni nor a Carly fan. I love this list. Having said that, i have lost the majic I had in my adoration of both. The fantasy has gone. The bubble has burst. (in the case of carly I found her fans I 'met' elsewhere on the net, to be appalling, nasty people-that was a real shock and made me wonder about how I could love someone who attracts such people!!!) Until the net I barely knew anything about Joni or Carly. I think I read one RS article about Carly and nothing about Joni. Now I know quit a lot and met hundreds of others who share my passion. I am almost disappointed that the majic has now gone. In the old days, when searching thru a record store and coming across a new Joni or new Carly, I would literally start to tremble and sweat and my hands would shake and my heart pound. I remember once I thought I would faint. I guess before, they were just figments of my imagination and now they are fallible, ordinary human beings, like the rest of us. They just happen to be talented in a way i appreciate. Mind you, my attitude to much has changed all in the same time period-I think probably because I experienced a deep grief and that truly chnages the way one experiences the world and ones attitude to it. I guess the loss of the majic has to do with both. Although I think it best not to have anyone on a pedastool, I miss the childish fantasy of it. Even the Oscars holds no thrill for me-it is fantasy and quite meaningless! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:35:10 EST From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Tribute Tickets Hi Everyone! I'm really writing a lot more than I thought I would. I must share this news . . . I took it upon myself to call the Hammerstein Ballroom since the Ticketmaster people knew nothing about tickets. The woman at the Hammerstein Ballroom Box Office said she was nearly positive that only a small amount of tickets would be available on March 30th. She said I should call back tomorrow, so I will and I'll give you the update! I'm dying to go to this . . . wish me luck getting tickets. xoxo Tanya ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:10:37 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Oscars (NJC) So many of the posts say exactly what I thought of last night's Oscars. Jack is always creepy but inexplicably one is always glad to see him there, too. (But what was up with Warren?? He was dithering!) Why is Phil Collins going around saying he is so surprised by his win? I thought he always won these things. I also thought American Beauty was way over-rated, but was very happy that Spacey won. Was surprised to see Peter Coyote as the off-stage host. Someone in a article today said he looked like he was in a booth hawking the statuettes. Loved the Bacharach musical interlude, Garth and all. And Queen Latifah was the big surprise at the little neighborhood party I attended. She was amazing!! Kakki NP: Four Days Gone - Bufflao Springfield ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:46:09 -0600 From: evian Subject: American Beauty won (NJC)!!!!!!!! Roberto wrote: > One last thing: I live here, so I can say this (Catherine and Evian might > disagree): Blame Canada was the best song, period! > > LOL, I totally agree! And apparently Anne Murray thinks it's a hoot too! And Ken writes: > Furthermore, I've heard Aimee publicly disparage Phil Collins in particular > when lamenting what the masses consider "Good Ballad Writing". > You know, Phil Collins has done a ton of crap in my opinion, but I love his work with Genesis, especially the self-titled album -- one of my all-time faves -- and his "Face Value" album -- another one of my faves. Thus, it really disappointed me when he went downhill with No Jacket Required, and then sunk REALLY low with all those other crappy albums. But, because of Genesis, Abacab, Duke, and Face Value, I'll always be a fan. And, maybe because I am getting old and sentimental, I actually like that Tarzan song. I love Aimee Mann too, but this is the Oscars we are talking about... it's not like they are voted by music critics...and since I haven't seen Magnolia (Tom Cruise nauseates the hell out of me, along with his wife, but that's another story), I have no idea how the song fits into the movie, apart from reading the blurb in the album liner notes. Evian np: frigging horny cat yowling over the tv noise P.S. Was anyone else worried that Robin Williams was going to keel over during "Blame Canada"? Get that boy to a gym, pronto! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:54:06 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: santana, matthews, brahms...njc Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: >>one day while picking his son up from school, he turned on >>the car stereo. the first sound he heard was the melody from brahms' >>piano concerto #3 Brahms' Symphony #3 - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:20:15 -0600 From: Scott and Jody Subject: NJC Rosemont Tickets (NJC) Vince wrote: > Laura, the wonderful one of Chicago, > Oh, so what you're saying Vince is that Laura is 'The Good Witch of the North' where as I'm 'The Wicked Witch of the West' ;~) Great! Can't wait to meet you. jody ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:32:46 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Got my ticket for E-Center In a message dated 3/27/2000 11:09:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, BrianGross@rocketmail.com writes: << My ticket is IN THE PIT IN THE SECOND ROW WOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!! (that was my best Catgirl imitation) Those of you going to that show, contact me so we can co-ordinate our pre- and post-show activities. Later, >> Hey Hey!! I got my tix too. I ordered them on the phone. I got left side, 104, Row G, seats 5 and 6. I will sell them if a certian friend can get the ones we want!!! (hint, hint, say no more, say no more.....) I am in the first row but behind the handicapable section. They are pretty good seats but I would love to get better. Brian, how many tix did you get? Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:47:53 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: I'm still here! I'm still here if you need me. And I think I can find a sweet sounding guitar for you to play so far away.... Michael Pat wrote: "hi all, recently someone mentioned nightmares so I thought I'd share mine... (I dreamed?:) there I was onlist trying to share what I could recall of when Joni taught me some songs way back and really trying to relate with some of the better musicians onlist who had worked out tabs for these songs that didn't work for me and so I decided to get a guitar to see if I could work thises things out with the help of my hands' memories. since none of my friends have one and this was like 3 months ago or more. *takes a breath* well, in my dream some people from the list were really helpful and I probably could/should have acquired my guitar through one of them but no, I decided to go online and order a guitar from musiciansfriend.com... in the meantime I have suddenly become way too busy to participate in the list as I once did and so, since no one is hearing from me, some of my good friends begin to really wonder if I'm just some big bag of hot air and bullshit as my silence continues... sudd! enly it dawns on me that I'm NOT dreaming and that this nightmare is real! now for the other side of the story...: (watch the dates) (NOTE: this is after several weeks of negotiating by email to get the order straight and passing off another sales person on to this 'troy', a manager...) On Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:30:45 Service wrote: Hello, Thank you for your email. Our mailing address for orders is: Musicians Friend P.O. Box 4520 Medford, Oregon 97504 Thanks again, Customer Service At 07:03 PM 12/20/99 -0800, you wrote: hi again, my money order should be arriving there any day now with the shipping addresses (PO Box and street address) and it occurred to me that, since I work during the day, the shipper may want to call me to arrange delivery. my daytime phone # is (XXX) XXX-XXXX and my home address for weekends and evenings is (XXX) XXX-XXXX. again, thank you for all your help. pat On Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:47:50 Service wrote: Pat, Thank you for your email. I apologize for the delay of response. Unfortunately, US Postal Service, is the only way we ship packages to Guam. Due to this, I am not sure that you will be contacted for delivery schedule. Again, I apologize for all the inconvenience this has caused you, and thank you for your patience and understanding. If you have other questions or comments please feel free to contact us. Troy M. Internet Customer Service service@musiciansfriend.com On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:12:12 Service wrote: At 08:25 AM 1/13/00 -0800, you wrote: hi, it's me again... I sent my money order in a couple weeks ago and just wanted to check if it was received and my guitar sent out. could you verify this for me please? thanks, pat ON 1/10/00 Pat, Thank you for your email. I apologize for the delay of response. We have received and processed your order on 1/7/00. Unfortunately your order of the Sigma guitar is currently out of stock and we have 1/18/00 as the expected date of arrival. This date is tentative and is subject to change without notice from the manufacturer. As soon as we receive more shipment of the item, we will ship the item to you. Again, I apologize for all the inconveniences this has caused you, and thank you for your patience and understanding. If you have other questions or comments please feel free to contact us. Troy M. Internet Customer Service service@musiciansfriend.com At 02:19 AM 2/18/00 -0800, you wrote: hey troy! what's up with this guitar?!? we had this interaction a month ago and the tb1 was supposed to be in stock within days. do I have an order tracking #? an insurance #? has it been sent out? please help me. pat On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:06:14 Service wrote: Pat, Thank you for your email. Your order was shipped today, February 21, via US Postal Service. Normal delivery time for packages sent via this method is approximately 7-10 business days. You should receive the package soon. If you have other questions or comments please feel free to contact us. Troy M. Internet Customer Service service@musiciansfriend.com At 11:37 AM 2/22/00 -0800, you wrote: Troy, Thanks for letting me know. Per our previous negotiations and considering the unduly long delay in processing my order, due, I suppose, to someone's dropping the ball on this sale, I would expect the same supervisor whom you consulted with before to authoorize that I also be sent a refund check for $20.00 reflecting the *current* catalog price of $XXX.XX. That would only be fair seeing I've had to wait so long. Thank you, Pat On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:53:17 Service wrote: Pat, Thank you for your email. I apologize for your inconvenience. A refund check will be sent to you for $20.00 for your inconvenience. You should receive this check in approximately 7-10 business days. You should receive the guitar also about the same time as the check. Again, I apologize for your inconvenience, and thank you for your patience and understanding. If you need anything else, please feel free to contact us. Troy M. Internet Customer Service service@musiciansfriend.com At 07:58 AM 2/24/00 -0800, you wrote: thanks very much troy, blah blah blah blah. take care, pat On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:06:14 Service wrote: Pat, You are welcome! I do appreciate hearing from you! You should receive the guitar in the next few days. If you need anything else, please feel free to send us an email. Troy Internet Customer Service service@musiciansfriend.com At 08:06 AM 3/23/00 -0800, you wrote: troy, a month since I received this from you... still no guitar. what's going on? pat Fri, 24 Mar 00 04:01AM GST From: "Service" service@musiciansfriend.com Pat, Thank you for your email. I apologize for the delay of response, and for your inconvenience. I have replaced the missing order, and it will be shipped to you soon. Here is the new order number, P1025497. Again, I apologize for the inconvenience, and thank you for your patience and understanding. If you have other questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us. Troy M. Internet Customer Service service@musiciansfriend.com ...and would ya believe I STILL don't have a guitar?!? I coulda made one by now! the moral: I'm not full of it and beware of musiciansfriend.com! THIS is a nightmare! pat" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:20:14 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: BYT assimilated Today's Joni Moment: My 12-year-old daughter came home from school and asked me if I knew what a maxim was. "Um, like a wise saying or something," I muttered. "Well, yeah, it's like that," she said. "When the teacher asked for examples some kid called out 'you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone.' I couldn't wait to tell you," she beamed. "See, all that forced listening of Joni that I've put you through has its intellectual advantages," I chided. "Did you tell the class that you knew the author of that maxim?" "Aw dad, everybody knows that song already...we sang it in music class two years ago." I must say it warms my heart to know that Joni's words and music have become so deeply engraved in our culture. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:04:51 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Serious email withdrawal! (NJC) It seems that my marian@jmdl.com address is not working at the moment. If anyone needs to reach me, please write to: m.russell@iaea.org I haven't received any mail at marian@jmdl.com for about the last two days. Hopefully things will be sorted out soon! Marian Vienna NP: Stay In Touch ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #157 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?