From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #149 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 22 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 149 Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund," with all donations going directly into the upkeep of the JoniMitchell.com website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds, and it will now be up to Jim to continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Best of the Best IYHO (NJC) [Marian ] dehumanising effect, big gigs etc. (NJC) [Dmascall@aol.com] Joni in Florida [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: Paved Paradise [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Joni in Florida [FMYFL@aol.com] nightmare NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Joni Mitchell is NEWS today @Rolling Stone.com [mann@chicagonet.net] Drugstore.com - $50-$55 worth for FREE! (NJC) [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #148 [PPeterson4@aol.com] Re: Joni in Florida [Phyliss Ward ] gotcha! [Kate ] tix prices NJC ["H.D. Motyl" ] Re: Joni in Florida (SJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joni in Florida (SJC) [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Joni Mitchell is NEWS today @Rolling Stone.com [zapuppy2@webtv.net (P] Re: Renee as Bridget - NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: tix prices NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re:Joni Lyric References ["Stephen M. Rapp" ] Best of the Best IYHO (Now NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: ticket prices (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] David Blue [M.D.Quinn@shu.ac.uk (Mike QUINN\(CMS\))] VG-8 patches [Susan McNamara ] Re: Best of the Best IYHO (Now NJC) ["Alison Einerson" ] Re: L.A. Tickets [AngelinoCoyote@aol.com] Chaka Added To Tribute [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] BSN review in US Weekly [Brian Gross ] Re: Chaka Added To Tribute [Don Rowe ] RE: nightmare NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] What's Goin' on at TNT? [Don Rowe ] Have Yourself A Dreary Little Christmas ["Reuben Bell" ] Bay Area Tickets [KJHSF@aol.com] Fwd: Have Yourself A Dreary Little Christmas [Wolfebite@aol.com] tickets for S. FL show [Bounced Message ] Re: Best of the Best IYHO [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Have Yourself A Dreary Little Christmas [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: tickets for S. FL show [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: ticket prices (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Chatting with Becker and Fagan ... NJC but SDC [Don Rowe ] Re: Have Yourself A Dreary Little Christmas [FMYFL@aol.com] Birthdays and MSG tickets in NYC - NJC [TanyerSCO@aol.com] Re: Have Yourself A Dreary Little Christmas [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Los Angeles Here I Come [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Bay Area Tickets ["Mark or Travis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:43:33 +0100 From: Marian Subject: Re: Best of the Best IYHO (NJC) Alison Einerson" wrote: > I have a small request, and I hope some of you can > help me out on this. I do a small radio program on > our local community radio station (KRCL), and > I am doing a Joni special on my show during our > fundraiser ("Radiothon"). I plan to feature BSN, > which should take about half the show w/ commentary. > I am trying to pick about 7 or 8 other Joni songs to play > as well. I AM HAVING THE HARDEST TIME > PICKING WHICH SONGS TO PLAY!!! > I know this is impossible, I have been trying for days, > but would you be so kind as to give me > either your favorite song from each album How wonderful that you are in a position to promote Joni's music! Wish I could listen in, but Austria is probably out of the radio range. Will this broadcast be recorded? I would be interested in hearing it someday. Today these are my favorite songs: STAS - The Dawntreader Clouds - I Don't Know Where I Stand LOTC - For Free Blue - All I Want FTR - Let The Wind Carry Me MOA - Love Or Money HOSL - Shadows And Light Hejira - Hejira DJRD - Otis And Marlena Mingus - tie between The Wolf That Lives in Lindsay and The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines WTRF - Chinese Cafe DED - Impossible Dreamer C&S - Court And Spark CMIARS - The Reoccuring Dream S&L - Furry Sings The Blues NRH - Night Ride Home TI - Last Chance Lost TTT - Love Puts On A New Face Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 03:43:40 EST From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: dehumanising effect, big gigs etc. (NJC) >Marcel D'este wrote a long post on ticket prices, modern entertainment, the killing >of the "live performance", and other such things Thanks - I enjoyed your thoughts. I've never been to a stadium gig as such but I've never much fancied it. I agree that "democratic" live performance to an audience who pay for their own tickets caan be great. However, I don't think that all "old-style" gigs have always been idyllic - particularly festivals and the like. In the 1970s I attended an outdoor gig at Blackbushe Aerodrome in Surrey, England that formed part of Bob Dylan's "Street Legal" tour. A group of acquaintances (mainly older than me) had block-booked plenty of tickets and organised a coach from Swansea (150 miles distant). At the last moment I was persuaded to come along. As the venue was so far away, by the time we arrived, all chance of getting reasonably close had evaporated. This, I should add, was before the days of giant video screens. There were several support acts. The PA wasn't adequate to the task of getting a very quiet and soulful Joan Armatrading to the margins of the crowd - she, not I, was literally "blown away" - but by the gentle breeze. When Dylan appeared the music was fine, if again a little distant, but the spectacle was one of matchstick men and women on stage. An early precursor of the mexican wave seemed to be passing back though the crowd. Eventually it reached us. Someone in front of me turned round and delivered a message. "Dylan's wearing a top hat" he said, then added "pass it on". It seemed churlish not to. David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 06:12:54 EST From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Joni in Florida About Joni in Florida. Jimmy's recent post makes me wonder. Does anyone know the date and venue Joni last played Florida. I cannot ever recall hearing anything mid state. Looks like I may have to go to W. Palm...a long drive but not as bad as Atlanta....time to start convincing my wife. Thanks Jimmy for the research. Maurice.........<< The ticket info should be on their website tomorrow, possibly tonight. I'll let yall know if I find out any further info Yippee, Joni in the sunshine state!!!! Jimmy >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 06:58:15 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Paved Paradise Mike wrote:- From: M.D.Quinn@shu.ac.uk (Mike QUINN\(CMS\)) >>>While I patiently wait for my copy of the Joni Mitchell Companion to wend its way over to the UK, I happened to notice on the web a 1998 book called "Paved Paradise" by Paul Barrera. It appears to be a review of Joni's work plus biographical details. Has anyone read it or know anything about it? Apologies if this has been discussed at length before I joined JMDL.<<<< Hi Mike, I bought "Paved Paradise" a couple of months ago. It's worth buying because it's cheap and it's 100% Joni material, but as usual, there are plenty of inaccuracies. I have to say, the cover is awful. The book is a track by track analysis of Joni's work right up to TTT by a fan and the guy should be applauded for his efforts. It's a worthwhile read provided you take into account a paragraph from the author's introduction which includes the sentence "I make no apologies for my views in this book, I repeat that they are all given with an honesty which may be at odds with your ideas." He goes on to say that if he makes you listen to a couple of Joni tracks again then he will have achieved his objective. I hope you buy it and enjoy it. If you do, let me know what you think. Regards, Jacky PS Which great academic institution is "shu"? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:24:38 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Florida Julian asks: << Does anyone know the date and venue Joni last played Florida. I cannot ever recall hearing anything mid state. >> Good question Julian, and I'd like to know too! I know she played in Coconut Grove (Miami) back when she and Crosby met, but I don't know of anything since. She was suppose to play in Ft. Lauderdale and Orlando on her '98 tour, but cancelled at the last moment :( Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:33:49 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: nightmare NJC I've read previous posts of listers who have had dreams about Joni or meeting her. Well, I had the worse nightmare last night. I dreamed I was on the phone with ticketmaster and placed and order for Joni tickets. The seats I got were the best, but I forgot to give the guy my name. I called back several times and kept getting busy signals or the wrong people. Awful, Awful, Awful.......my pillow was soaking wet when I woke up. I can't let ticketmaster in my dreams !!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 06:48:31 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Joni Mitchell is NEWS today @Rolling Stone.com Nice to see this subject in my email box this morning: "Slipknot, Hendrix, Joni and more" Rolling Stone Daily http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/home/text/default.asp Scroll down the page to NEWS and click on JONI MITCHELL TO TAKE BOTH SIDES NOW ON THE ROAD to see an article about her tour There's also a question of the day you can answer and leave feedback: "Would you rather hear Joni Mitchell perform covers or her own songs?" Let's flood them with answers!! Laura :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:18:12 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Drugstore.com - $50-$55 worth for FREE! (NJC) GREAT DEAL! Get all the toiletries for your JoniFest dufflebag for free. Expires 3/23 so get in on this while you can. Here’s how to get $50-55 worth of merchandise at Drugstore.com! NEW CUSTOMERS ONLY! - Or old customers with a new e-mail address, and mailing address (wink) Go into the first link and follow the directions. Then come back here and click through each of the subsequent links. Although a new window will open up each time, your shopping cart will accumulate all the products and discounts. 3 items for one cent each – a very nice selection of full-size products (ends up being around a $10-13 value)- exp. March 23 http://www.drugstore.com/user/promo.asp?promoid=2329&aid=4147 Free Philosophy skin care & cosmetic gift set – shampoo, body wash & body lotion ($25 value)- exp. March 27 http://www.drugstore.com/user/promo.asp?code=giftset Free first aid kit and $1 shipping ($15 value, and save $2 on shipping)- exp. June 30 http://www.drugstore.com/specialbuy Your total will be $1.03. Don’t want to use your credit card? Go to http://www.webcertificate.com and get a free $5 web certificate. It works like a credit card and can be used at any online website that normally accepts Mastercard. Web certificates are only given to those who register using a non-free e-mail address. For example, a yahoo e-mail address will not be accepted. But AOL users with 7 accounts got it made! Here's the FIRST Drugstore.com link to follow: http://www.drugstore.com/user/promo.asp?promoid=2329&aid=4147 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Get two chocolate calcium chews and one energy bar http://www.ivillage.com/sponsors/meadjohnson/freetrial.html Eight samples of Soy Drinks and Soy Bars Your choice of flavors www.revivalsoy.com/freesamplerequest.html Have fun! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:24:11 EST From: PPeterson4@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #148 OK everybody. Let's get real about ticket and cd prices. I love JM's music as much as anyone, but the fact is that the release of BSN in an advance "collectors edition" at $40 a pop is plain and simple a greedy rip off of her most devoted fans, the ones who absolutely must have a copy of her new work as soon as it becomes available. When I read about this marketing scam, it really depressed me. The fact that so many of the "collectors" cd's turned out to be defective makes one believe in karma. Considering that the concerts include a full orchestra, the price scale is somewhat understandable. But let's hope some of the money goes into great live sound, as opposed to the shameful sonics on the Dylan/JM dates last year. Disillusioned-but-still-listening ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 06:44:57 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni in Florida I saw Joni in Jacksonville when I was attending college in Gainesville. I think it might have been 1974 or 75. Jerry, do I remember you saying you were there too? My husband used to go to the Gaslight in Coconut Grove around the time Joni played there and met Crosby. He doesn't remember seeing her so he probably didn't, who could forget. Well, maybe in his drug-induced state...I was too young at the time to be going there although I did go in later years. Coconut Grove was THE hippy hangout in those days. Now it's more yuppy, but still nice. Phyliss, who was born and raised in Miami. FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Julian asks: > > << Does anyone know > the date and venue Joni last played Florida. I cannot ever recall hearing > anything mid state. >> > > Good question Julian, and I'd like to know too! I know she played in Coconut > Grove (Miami) back when she and Crosby met, but I don't know of anything > since. She was suppose to play in Ft. Lauderdale and Orlando on her '98 > tour, but cancelled at the last moment :( > > Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:52:14 -0700 From: Kate Subject: gotcha! >Evian: LOL Penny, if she EVER played a date in Saskatoon, I swear I'd run >through the downtown stark naked with "I love Shania Twain" painted on >my chest, and "Tom Arnold is my Hero" painted on my back... Needless to say, I will not forget this promise, big fella! Have started making my plans to attend the exhibit opening on June 30. Will you be there? Of course you will. Anyone else coming? I figure I can't pass up a chance to meet the great lady, considering her music has been in the musical foreground of my life for the last 26 years. I'd like the opportunity to tell her what it has meant to me. I will probably take my 11-year-old son, Emil, along, as he is also a big fan of hers and has been since he was two or three. I know I will soon regret telling him though, because he will question me relentlessly between now and then. Don't know how he'll fare in the crowd, as he uses elbow-crutches to walk (cerebral palsy), but am pretty sure he will make a beeline for Joni if he recognizes her. He is very direct. Kate of the North http://www.connect.ab.ca/~katej/auntkate/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:25:00 -0600 From: "H.D. Motyl" Subject: tix prices NJC This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------8FB19CD4E70E40C5EDFF6E52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > That $128.50 ticket price is, I am sure, for the front row freaking Jack >Nicholson-Rosanna Arquette-k.d. lang-Geffen (eeeuu), whatever seats. Do we actually believe these people pay for their seats? 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I think it might have been 1974 or 75. >> Phyliss, I started college in Gainesville (UF) back in '74 - '75, but I didn't become a Joni fan until 1976 so I don't remember her playing in Jax. We may have known each other or gone out on a date. I was straight back then. lol Go Gators! Jimmy, about to leave for a RedSox - Reds baseball game on this beautiful sunny day ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:49:39 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni in Florida (SJC) Jimmy wrote: > Phyliss, I started college in Gainesville (UF) back in '74 - '75, but I > didn't become a Joni fan until 1976 so I don't remember her playing in Jax. > We may have known each other or gone out on a date. I was straight back then. > lol > Go Gators very funny! ; - ) I had a steady guy the whole college years so I don't think so... But I was there from Jan 74 through August 76. I was an Art major for a few quarters then I turned Aggie, go figure. I'm back doing Art now, thank god. I was more into the Hogtown Coop than the Gators - my hippy years 'ya know. Phyliss Golden Fig Ceramics ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:58:36 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell is NEWS today @Rolling Stone.com Joni is in the news on VH-1's website also: http://www.vh1.com/thewire/news/03_21_00/joni.jhtml This one includes the bit that Joni plans to do the Christmas album *this* year. And yet another mention that she might add dates to this tour. (Oh Evian, don't quit smoking yet. You would gain 25 very sightly lbs, but be faster from not having to catch your breath for your streak through the streets. I can see it now. Naked, painted and bent over panting. ;-D) And I can't remember if this article tells us that Joni is also scheduled to perform at her Tribute taping April 6....I read it somewhere today. Going into Joni info overload. But happily! ;-) Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:47:12 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Renee as Bridget - NJC - --- "Helen M. Adcock" wrote: > Catherine wrote: > > >a) couldn't they find someone British? > >b) Isn't Bridget supposed to have a weight problem? > > You'd think they would be able to find a British > actress, but maybe it's an > American production? Bridget doesn't really have a > weight problem. At > worst she's only 9 1/2 stone - definitely not a > problem as far as I am > concerned! You're going to have to translate "stone" for me - either into pounds or kilos - I have no idea what a "stone" is apart from something in my garden! Renee is a scrawny little chicky-poo. They should find someone who at least has some meat on her bones (the type of woman who "thinks" she's fat, but isn't - in other words, someone most of us could identify with, and that doesn't include Renee, but maybe Kate Winslett or someone slightly "healthier"-looking.) I don't care whether it's an American production or not - - there are so many excellent British actors who could do a role like this - unless they're planning to make her American (God help us! No offense to the yanks, but they have plenty of their own wonderful neurotic creatures that could be immortalized in film without having to steal them from the Brits they way they stole Winnie the Pooh!) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca (the former cateri@hotmail) _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:51:21 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: tix prices NJC - --- "H.D. Motyl" wrote: > > That $128.50 ticket price is, I am sure, for the > front row freaking > Jack > >Nicholson-Rosanna Arquette-k.d. lang-Geffen > (eeeuu), whatever seats. > > Do we actually believe these people pay for their > seats? I don't. Heck, no, of course they don't - one of the ironies of being rich and famous is you get stuff free that most of us poor shmoes couldn't afford in our wildest dreams! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca (the former cateri@hotmail) _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:18:57 -0700 From: "Stephen M. Rapp" Subject: Re:Joni Lyric References This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------A8F98A7978E266C0919CC02B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wondering if I can put a question to some of you Joni-philes. Where are the reference origins to the the lyrics, "Moon at the Window" and "Lakota?" I've seen them both but failed to note it. Moon comes from I believe a Chinese Poem and the line, "pity me,' comes from a Lakota prayer. Can anyone pin-point them for me. Second: In the early 70's I read and interview w/ Joni in, what I remember was, a Whole Earth Quarterly. She spoke of her reference to a teacher she honors on Song to a Seagull liner notes. And her study of Carl G. Jung. Anyone have or remember the interview? Thanks Stephen - --------------A8F98A7978E266C0919CC02B Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="footpath.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Stephen M. Rapp Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="footpath.vcf" begin:vcard n:Rapp;Stephen tel;cell:801-636-1855 tel;home:801-756-1096 x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;112 So. Main Street;Alpine;UT;84004; version:2.1 email;internet:footpath@enol.com x-mozilla-cpt:;3 fn:Stephen Rapp Film Project end:vcard - --------------A8F98A7978E266C0919CC02B-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:19:29 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Best of the Best IYHO (Now NJC) Alison Einerson wrote: >I do a small radio program on our local community radio station (KRCL) Oh, cool! Both Doug Young and Grant Hogarth on KRCL have played cuts from the new Tinker CD - Must be a GREAT station! ;) ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:57:19 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: ticket prices (NJC) - --- Steve Dulson wrote: > A wonderful, perceptive post, Marcel. > > >Years ago I used to go to the Fillmore > >and the Avalon and Winterland sometimes four nights > in a row if I really > >liked the band. The Who, Hendrix, Fleetwood Mac. > etc. It cost $6.95. > > The Who AND Fleetwood Mac, Shrine Auditorium LA, > 6/28/1968 - $3.50. > > Every once in a while there are advantages to being > an old fart... All this talk about prices now is making me laugh and realize just what old farts some of us are! It reminds me of my parents talking about how they could buy a loaf of bread for 10 cents back in the "olden" days. Now I tell my kids I won't buy Kraft dinner because I can remember getting them 4 for 1$ and so on (but I will buy the generic no-name kinds because they're only about 50 cents or so). My kids love to hear about how we could go to the variety store when I was a kid with 10 cents and come back with a whole load of candy. Remember saying "It's your nickel" or "It's your dime" to someone (relating to the cost of a pay phone call). Somehow "It's your quarter" just doesn't sound right (it cost 25 cents here in Canada, I don't know about the US these days, but it has been 25 for a while, so it'll probably be 50 cents or a dollar before long, if they'll even accept money anymore!) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:28:16 +0000 From: M.D.Quinn@shu.ac.uk (Mike QUINN\(CMS\)) Subject: David Blue Logged in the far recesses of my mind there was a connection between David Blue and Blue the song, but I could not recall who planted it there. Then looking through old cuttings I found a copy of the Sunday Times magazine from 1983 with an article on Joni. Here is an extract by the author Michael Watts: "We met in the Sunset Boulevard office of her manager Elliot Roberts, a droll Bronx humorist who, after consenting to an interview, shouted to his secretary,'Start the clock, Mary!'. The choice of day was ironic, for that very morning there had been a funeral service for an old folksinger friend, David Blue, who is enshrined in her mythology as the inspiration for her album Blue. Blue's real name was Cohen, and his death was not romantic: from a heart attack, at 41, while jogging. Roberts explained, with rising incredulity, that his ashes were to be laid to rest in Laurel Canyon. At this Mitchell clapped her hands, suddenly gripped by an idea. They would put the ashes in a friend's yard and plant a bush there. 'Jooan!' Roberts wailed. 'Fertiliser! Is that what he ended up being? Mulch?' 'I wouldn't mind being fertiliser for a rosebush or somethin'', she protested; and added, with a hint of reproof, 'bear that in mind, Elliot.' " Now I remember reading that article 17 years ago and part of it stuck in my mind. But wait, tucked away further on in the same article is the following: "Journalism often misrepresented her, she said. There were even men who thought, quite wrongly, that she had written about them. She promptly scotched the legend that 'Blue' had been about David Blue. And other torch bearers turned out to be mere spear-carriers" So perhaps there is the truth. Certainly the article gave more emphasis to the legend than her denial of it. And it was the myth I vaguely remembered. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:52:56 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: VG-8 patches Hi Gang: This is Joni technically related so continue skimming or deleting if synthesized guitars are not what you are looking for!! :-) This is a request for anyone who is willing to contribute to the VG-8 page I am setting up on the JMDL guitar site. What I am interested in is patches or techniques that you think other Vg-8ers would be interested in. I am already linking to the V-Guitar Online site, so basically I'm looking for Joni-related Vg-8 stuff. Also since I am technically deficient and don't own a VG-8 myself, I would like to know of anyone who is willing to offer their services as the JMDL VG-8 expert and would be willing to field questions from our constituency (which I like to describe as Joni lovers worldwide). Thanks for your input -- sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:51:19 -0700 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Best of the Best IYHO (Now NJC) Doug is our musical director, and Grant is a friend of mine. They are both great guys, and yes! it is a GREAT station. I will have to look for your album. I haven't seen it in the library! - ---------- >From: Steve Dulson > >Oh, cool! Both Doug Young and Grant Hogarth on KRCL have played cuts from >the new Tinker CD - Must be a GREAT station! ;) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:00:26 PST From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: ticket prices (NJC) I found this out fairly recently! I was look for mac & cheese at the grocery store, and its nearly a dollar a box. I lived on 25 cent kraft and ramen noodles all the way through college (which wasn't that long ago...:) ) Catherine, I said just that ("I remember when this was 4 for a dollar", and then to myself "Oh, god! I sound like my father.") And just for the record, pay phone calles are 35 cents right now in the US. Reuben np: Carly Simon "The River" (disc 1 of "Clouds In My Coffee") >From: Catherine McKay Now I tell my kids I won't buy Kraft dinner >because I can remember getting them 4 for 1$ and so on Somehow "It's your quarter" just >doesn't sound right (it cost 25 cents here in Canada, >I don't know about the US these days, but it has been >25 for a while, so it'll probably be 50 cents or a >dollar before long, if they'll even accept money anymore!) > >===== >Catherine (in Toronto) >catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca > >_______________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:02:02 EST From: AngelinoCoyote@aol.com Subject: Re: L.A. Tickets GreyC1 Wrote: Did those who purchased LA tickets do so by subscribing to one of the 2 "plans" that the Greek Theater is offering at this time? I called yesterday to purchase tickets for Joni and was told that the only way to get tickets at this time was to choose one of the plans they offer (4 or 6 different concerts purchased at once). Coyote Responds: Yep, a few of us, that I am aware of, did buy the 4 series option. Here is an email I received back from the Greek: *Tickets are filled in this order: Premiere Club Pick 6 subscribers; Premiere Club Limited subscribers; Single show orders. So you will be ahead of your friend who ordered just Joni tickets. BTW, when you arrive at the Greek for Joni you can go to the Box Office and ask about upgrading your seats if you are unhappy with the tickets you receive. Enjoy the show!* No regrets, Coyote Casa Alegre Hollywood I'll be dancing on a pony keg. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:10:18 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Chaka Added To Tribute Geez, I hope some of you NYC JMDLers will have a chance to get into this! We'll refer to it as PWWAM East. ;-) This update was found today on the Billboard site: Stars Set For Joni Mitchell Tribute Elton John, Diana Krall, Shawn Colvin, Richard Thompson, Wynonna Judd, Chaka Khan, k.d. lang, and Cassandra Wilson will honor Joni Mitchell in "An All-Star Tribute To Joni Mitchell," according to The Hollywood Reporter. Mitchell, a four-time Grammy winner, will also perform in the show, which will tape April 6 at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York and is scheduled to air on TNT April 16. Judd's sister, actress Ashley Judd, will host the event. Special guests, as well as additional performers, have yet to be announced. In other Mitchell news, the artist will mount a 12-date orchestral tour in support of her new Warner Bros. album of standards, "Both Sides Now." The jaunt will kick off May 12 in Los Angeles and conclude June 2 in Philadelphia. "Both Sides Now" is the first in a trilogy Mitchell and producer Larry Klein have planned. The next project will feature Mitchell's music in a symphonic setting. "You know, it will be stuff like ["Judgement Of The Moon And Stars (Ludwig's Tune)"]," from 1972's "For The Roses." I had to do it low budget with just one violin player originally," she told Billboard's Melinda Newman in February. "So it would be a thrill to take material and orchestrate it for a big orchestra." Mitchell calls the third album "Have Yourself A Dreary Little Christmas." "It will include four of my 'something bad always happens to me on Christmas' songs, four secular Christmas songs, and four carols. I want to make a play out of it," she said. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:19:43 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: BSN review in US Weekly In the 3/27/00 issue of US Weekly, on page 65, Karen Schoemer gives Both Sides Now a FOUR STAR review, as follows: Any singer who coins terms like "Turbulent indigo" and compares herself to Picasso doesn't need help taking herself more seriously. But Both Sides Now, Joni Mitchell's twentieth album in 32 years, is unexpectedly down-to-earth - even though she's hanging out with the London Symphony Orchestra and singing some of the greatest pop standards of the twentieth century. Both Sides Now is no easy-listening trip down Harry Connick Jr lane; it's an unflinching assessment of love's ins and outs, with Mitchell luxuriating in such classics as "Stormy Weather" and "I Wish I Were In Love Again." Her voice, that famous silvery trill, has roughened into a smoky husk. Yet she uses it well: Her main points of reference seem to be late-period Billie Holiday and Nina Simone, two singers she can now match almost note for note. Mitchell occasionally lets her ego loose; she's decided that two of her own compositions, "Both Sides Now" and "A Case of You," belong in this esteemed canon. But overall, the album achieves a sense of self-revelation, not self importance. Not since Marianne Faithfull went cabaret has a rocker invested herself so brilliantly in the music of another era. Listening to Both Sides Now, you won't just take Mitchell seriously - you'll take her to heart all over again. (in bold at bottom) Don't call her a hippie. Mitchell proves she can sing classy standards with the best. There is a black and white picture above the review of a fifty-ish Joni playing an acoustic guitar, with Front Side Now inset into the corner and the caption "Out of The Blue: Mitchell adapts the classics" Brian np: Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:22:14 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Chaka Added To Tribute > This update was found today on the Billboard site: > Stars Set For Joni Mitchell Tribute > Richard Thompson THERE IS A GOD!THERE IS A GOD!THERE IS A GOD! I'll be taping on Hi-Fi VHS from Sony DSS and transferring to CDR. I'll keep you posted ... and just in case you hadn't heard: THERE IS A GOD! Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:38:53 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: nightmare NJC mom, how many times have i told you not to mix up the morning pills with the night pills? walter, your concerned son ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:12:36 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: What's Goin' on at TNT? I'm completely jazzed about the upcoming tribute concert -- but airing on TNT? Can this be the same channel that alternates between "Jaws" and "The Shawshank Redemption" almost constantly? The same channel that brings you WCW Thursday Nitro (that's a pro wrestling two-hour gig, for all you highbrows out there!) ;-) The same channel that saw fit to colorize "Casablanca"? What the hell is going on ... not that there's anything wrong with that! ;-) Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:17:30 PST From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Have Yourself A Dreary Little Christmas I love Joni...she has such a strange attitude sometimes. Which four songs will be included in this Christmas album? I can only think of "River", and "Facelift" (I know I could come up with the other two, but I AM supposed to be working...) Cyndi Lauper did a great Christmas album a couple of years ago called "Merry Christmas...Have A Nice Life". Good mix of fun and traditional. She has one of the truly great voices in pop music. Reuben >Mitchell calls the third album "Have Yourself A Dreary Little >Christmas." "It will include four of my 'something bad always happens to >me on Christmas' songs, four secular Christmas songs, and four carols. I >want to make a play out of it," she said. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:27:41 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: L.A. Tickets You can buy just the Joni tickets, but you get 3rd priority behind the person who chooses 6 or 4 in the series. They claim that you get tix before the general sale starts, though. Mike - -- I'm porous with travel fever But I'm so glad to be on my own. - --Joni Mitchell, Hejira, 1976. > From: GREYC1@aol.com > Reply-To: GREYC1@aol.com > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:54:54 -0500 (EST) > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: L.A. Tickets > > Did those who purchased LA tickets do so by subscribing to one of the 2 > "plans" that the Greek Theatre is offering at this time? I called yesterday > to purchase tickets for Joni and was told that the only way to get tickets at > this time was to choose > one of the plans they offer (4 or 6 different concerts purchased at once). > > Does anyone know of a way to buy just Joni tickets?? > > Thanks > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:05:07 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Bay Area Tickets In the SF Guardian, tickets for BSN at the Concord Pavilion go on sale Sunday at noon. I was planning on going to Santa Cruz this weekend to play and possibly visit Leslie Mixon (Hope you're recuperating and thanks for the invite--I will give you a buzz when I confirm weekend plans) but I may go to concord and spend the night in line at the ticket center. Looking forward to seeing Joni Live! and to meeting some of you in person! Ken in SF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:08:43 EST From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Have Yourself A Dreary Little Christmas - --part1_e.1b8f3e3.260a743b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the only other christmas line I can think of is 'christmas is sparkling, out on carol's lawn' from chinese cafe... actually i'm just remembering that off the top of my head- lyric wise.... what else? and what secular songs? carols? would she do? jane siberry did a fine christmas albumn- 'child' with some real beautiful old traditional carols- it's my favorite christmas albumn... it's my only christmas albumn... doug - --part1_e.1b8f3e3.260a743b_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (rly-zb02.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.2]) by air-zb01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:20:21 -0500 Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (v70.21) with ESMTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:19:58 -0500 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [24.30.216.55]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA13003; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:19:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id NAA13718; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:18:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:18:48 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id NAA13704 for joni-outgoing; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:18:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f282.hotmail.com [216.32.180.136]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with SMTP id NAA13696 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1615 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 2000 18:17:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20000322181730.1614.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.0.45.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:17:30 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.0.45.42] From: "Reuben Bell" To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Have Yourself A Dreary Little Christmas Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:17:30 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-joni@jmdl.com Reply-To: "Reuben Bell" Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I love Joni...she has such a strange attitude sometimes. Which four songs will be included in this Christmas album? I can only think of "River", and "Facelift" (I know I could come up with the other two, but I AM supposed to be working...) Cyndi Lauper did a great Christmas album a couple of years ago called "Merry Christmas...Have A Nice Life". Good mix of fun and traditional. She has one of the truly great voices in pop music. Reuben >Mitchell calls the third album "Have Yourself A Dreary Little >Christmas." "It will include four of my 'something bad always happens to >me on Christmas' songs, four secular Christmas songs, and four carols. I >want to make a play out of it," she said. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --part1_e.1b8f3e3.260a743b_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:01:26 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: tickets for S. FL show Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:44:04 -0800 (PST) From: Erin Stoy Subject: tickets for S. FL show I have what may be a dumb question: A post yesterday said that for the South FL show, the AmEx gold card was selling tickets for the first ten rows in certain sections. Does this mean one has to have the gold card to purchase these particular tickets, or what? Thanks, Erin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:05:05 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Best of the Best IYHO In a message dated 03/21/2000 8:22:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, alisone@kirkhams.com writes: << songs that you feel would be especially relevant, or songs you think would mesh well with this album (pardon my run-on sentence!). I am at my wits and it's my first fundraising show. Any ideas would be so appreciatted!!! >> Alison: You could play "Summertime" and "The Man I Love" from the Herbie Hancock CD. Or it might be interesting to play songs that chart Joni's progression into jazz. For example, you could play, "Real Good and For Free" (I've always felt that this song has real jazz overtones), "Twisted", "Blue Motel Room", anything from DJRD or Mingus, etc. Good luck with the show. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:14:09 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Have Yourself A Dreary Little Christmas In a message dated 03/22/2000 2:14:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, Wolfebite@aol.com writes: << 'christmas is sparkling, out on carol's lawn' from chinese cafe... actually i'm just remembering that off the top of my head- lyric wise.... what else? >> "He sings Merry Christmas for you just like Nat King Cole" from Barandgrill. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:26:34 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: tickets for S. FL show In a message dated 03/22/2000 3:08:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << A post yesterday said that for the South FL show, the AmEx gold card was selling tickets for the first ten rows in certain sections. Does this mean one has to have the gold card to purchase these particular tickets, or what? >> Erin: For Gold Card events, you must have an AMEX gold card to purchase those tickets that they are holding aside. If you don't have a Gold Card, perhaps a friend who does can purchase the tickets for you and you can reimburse them. AMEX will often do this type of promotion as an incentive to get you to apply for the Gold. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:49:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: ticket prices (NJC) - --- Reuben Bell wrote: > And just for the record, pay phone calles are 35 > cents right now in the US. Holy jumpin'! You mean there's actually something in Canada that costs LESS than in the US - your 35 cents is probably about 50 here, so I think I'm gonna gather a bunch of quarters and make some calls from a payphone just BECAUSE! ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:07:20 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Chatting with Becker and Fagan ... NJC but SDC Now 'fess up -- you've all been wondering what the hell Steely Dan is talking about in the song from "Two Against Nature" -- "gaslighting abbie." Well, while chatting with Mssrs. Becker and Fagan at steelydan.com, they said that the term 'gaslighting' comes from the 50s movie with Cary Grant and I think, Ingrid Bergman. He's basically a cad trying to convince her that she's insane so he can get control of her money and jewels -- so "gaslighting" apparently became a catch phrase for, as the guys said, "Trying to convince someone they're crazy for your own nefarious purposes." Just thought I'd share. Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:17:20 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Los Angeles Here I Come ********THIS IS AN OFFICIAL WARNING TO THE COMMUNITY KNOWN AS LOS ANGELES******* The Paz's will be descending upon your city for the opening of the Joni Tour on May 12. We will be without children and ready for a wonderful weekend in the company of dear friends. THIS WILL BE YOUR *ONLY WARNING*!! Please polish the martini glasses and make reservations at Les Deux and have them prep the Presidential Suite at the BelAir Hotel. Please be advised that Southwest has a *VERY CHEAP* deal going on thru midnight on the 23 of March. I got us round trip tickets for both of us for a TOTAL of $429 (YES thats $215 each person) I had been stressing because of high ticket prices across the board, but alas they have rescued me. Hopefully these kind of prices will be attractive to some of you folks that are sitting on the fence about coming to JoniFest2000 New Orleans. Also *THIS JUST IN* Singer/Songwriter Roots/Rock sensation Anders Osborne has just signed on to play. Check out Anders new album called Living Room in stores NOW! SO, should I, yes I should. WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:29:54 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Have Yourself A Dreary Little Christmas Doug writes: << << 'christmas is sparkling, out on carol's lawn' from chinese cafe... what else? >> and Stephen writes: "He sings Merry Christmas for you just like Nat King Cole" from Barandgrill. >> and I add: if you really want to make a stretch how about Oh come let us adore---ME! from "Tax Free" Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:26:22 EST From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Birthdays and MSG tickets in NYC - NJC I share a birthday with Kilauren. Pretty neat. I'm Tanya and have just joined the list. I'm loving all the wonderful info you all have to share. Nice to meet you all! Let me know anything you hear about those MSG tickets in NYC. : ) Tanya ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:33:03 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Have Yourself A Dreary Little Christmas In a message dated 3/22/00 1:13:40 PM US Central Standard Time, Wolfebite@aol.com writes: << actually i'm just remembering that off the top of my head- lyric wise.... what else? >> Facelift would be one, and it would never happen but I'd LOVE to hear her remake "Gift of the Magi", based on the O.Henry short story of the same name. It's a gorgeous song... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:05:54 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Los Angeles Here I Come Well, all I can say is... WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO back at 'ya Prepare to prepare, Man the partyships, well, whatever. A good time will definitely be had by all. When is your arrival and departure so we can start making all those plans and reservations... Phyliss Michael Paz wrote: > ********THIS IS AN OFFICIAL WARNING TO THE COMMUNITY KNOWN AS LOS > ANGELES******* > > The Paz's will be descending upon your city for the opening of the Joni Tour > on May 12. We will be without children and ready for a wonderful weekend in > the company of dear friends. THIS WILL BE YOUR *ONLY WARNING*!! > SO, should I, yes I should. > > WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO > > Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:16:59 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Bay Area Tickets > In the SF Guardian, tickets for BSN at the Concord Pavilion go on sale Sunday > at noon. I was planning on going to Santa Cruz this weekend to play and > possibly visit Leslie Mixon (Hope you're recuperating and thanks for the > invite--I will give you a buzz when I confirm weekend plans) but I may go to > concord and spend the night in line at the ticket center. Looking forward to > seeing Joni Live! and to meeting some of you in person! > Ken in SF Well I checked airfares to San Jose and a round trip ticket will cost me $129. That I think I can swing and several people have told me I should go for it (including Travis). So, bay area JMDLers! Shall we plan a gathering? Would anybody be willing to get an extra ticket or two? WOOO HOOOO to you too! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #149 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?