From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #142 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, March 18 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 142 Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund," with all donations going directly into the upkeep of the JoniMitchell.com website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds, and it will now be up to Jim to continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: David Blue ["Kakki" ] Re: Great Joni articles ["Kakki" ] S&H Greenpoints Survey (Free Blockbuster, Theatre Tickets, Food) NJC [man] St. Patrick's Day JUST A LITTLE GREEN JMDL Sweepstakes (NJC) [mann@chicag] Re: NJC:TIPS ON GETTING TICKETS [Jerry Notaro ] Re: David Blue [Jerry Notaro ] Re: vh1 list NJC [luvart@snet.net] Re: David Blue NJC Green content only [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: David Blue [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: David Blue [Brian Gross ] Re: David Blue [Jerry Notaro ] david blue- new to me! [Wolfebite@aol.com] Re: david blue- new to me! njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] $25/750pts DEAL if you signed-up for S&H GreenPoints (NJC) [mann@chicagon] Re: David Blue [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: david blue- new to me! [Randy Remote ] need prayers [Anne Sandstrom ] Joni's songs and the divine spirit [Relayer211@aol.com] JMDL will be down [Les Irvin ] Tour [Bounced Message ] Re: Joni's songs and the divine spirit [Wolfebite@aol.com] Porn Laws NJC ["catman" ] Joni Finalizes Tour Dates ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] BSN - "regular" release [MGVal@aol.com] New York Voices - NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni's songs and the divine spirit (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:01:45 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: David Blue Philip wrote: > And I wonder what kind of fellow was David Blue to be the subject of so powerful a song as Blue Interesting information, Philip. I never heard of David Blue or knew he was the subject of Joni's song until I heard it from our L.A. music historian, Mr. Dulson, here on the list. I always thought most of her songs from the album were about James Taylor. What a neophyte freshman I was pre-list! ;-) > - - going out to party like it's paddy's weekend 2000 but open to correction by more knowledgeable >Jonists and Bobists. Hope you have a wonderful time! Wish I could be there at ground zero. I have to settle for a small dive bar here tomorrow night (at least it's an authentic Irish group that hangs there, though, ;-) Happy St. Paddy's day to all! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:19:30 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Great Joni articles Nicholas wrote: > On the other hand I have just read Alan Jackson's piece for the Times (thank you Stephen) and its >probably the best Joni article in ages. His writing is spot on (I love his descriptions of JM including > "extravagantly talented") and Mitchell's responses are to the point and gracious - putting her >sometimes bitter comments on other artists into perspective. I think it is about the best article I've read in years. Jackson seems to really know and *get* his Joni. And, maybe more importantly, he is the first writer I've read in ages who really knows how to convey her words and meanings in the proper context. So many articles in the past have seemed to take her out of context or just let her words lay flat on the page, opened up to all kinds of misinterpretation. Without the proper context, she has sounded at times like an arrogant, whining, or shrill personality to readers but she is the farthest thing from that from what many of us have experienced. We know she likes to talk and she can go on at length about a ton of topics. Unfortunately the printed page does not show the laughter or irony in her voice or the twinkle in her eye. Somehow Jackson got this across. I was also pleasantly surprised reading the recent article in People magazine. It is really very good with great photos of her at home. Thanks Laura for alerting us! Thanks also to Ken for transcribing the millenial interview. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:50:58 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: S&H Greenpoints Survey (Free Blockbuster, Theatre Tickets, Food) NJC St. Patty's Day Special.............keeping with the green!!! For anyone on the JMDL that already signed-up ....there is a new 500 point survey up. If you haven't signed-up for this.......it's a great freebie and any paper certificate also is zero tax and zero shipping. Examples of what (paper gift certificates) you can get: Wendy's Burger King Subway Blockbuster Gift Card (not paper but still FREE shipping) Sony/Lowes Movie Tickets AMC Movie Tickets Hoyts Movie Tickets United Artist Movie Tickets American Airlines Frequent Flyer Myles (Jonifest!) Delta Airlines Frequent Flyer Myles (Jonifest!) You can also donate your points to charity if you're inclined to do so. Note to Jimmy.........at least when you're hitchhiking to JoniFest you can eat at Wendy's, Burger King (be sure and get a FREE crown! ha!) or Subway for free!! Here's how to get your first $10 of FREE stuff! Go to: https://www.greenpoints.com Sign-up and get 3000 points. They also have a sweeps going on to win a trip for 2 to Ireland! Then when you personalize your account you get another 1000 points. Under 'EARN GREENPOINTS' take the survey for an additional 500 points. Under 'MY HOMEPAGE' when you personalize your password will be another quick survey for another 500 points. You now have 5000 points which equals $10. Click on "USE GREENPOINTS" Do a search for everything under 5000 points (SEARCH is at the page bottom). Pick what you want, free shipping on Blockbuster GiftCards, Movie Tickets, Restaurant Certificates! Also, if you spend your points TODAY (St. Patrick's day promotion) you will get 30 points for every dollar spent (credited within a week). I already got my first order (within about two weeks) of $5 Blockbuster Gift Card and $5 (five $1) Wendy's Restaurant Certificates (you can mix and match!!). With the new survey's that pop-up you'll be getting more free stuff again soon. Hope this is useful to y'all! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:28:46 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: St. Patrick's Day JUST A LITTLE GREEN JMDL Sweepstakes (NJC) Okay........let's have some fun.........and keeping with the GREEN theme................... #1) $5 Gift Certificate (your choice) for the first person who can find 2 or more mis-spelled words in my last post titled: "S&H Greenpoints Survey (Free Blockbuster, Theatre Tickets, Food) NJC" #2) $5 Gift Certificate (your choice) for the first person who correctly identifies the origin (the meaning) of the musician's name 'Steely Dan' #3) $5 Gift Certificate (your choice) for the best moving tip I find most useful. (we plan to put our house up for sale SOON) RULES: (follow these or you'll be disqualified) 1. Send answers to mann@chicagonet.net 2. Identify which # you are answering. You are NOT limited to one answer only. The same person CAN win all three $5 certificates. 3. Let me know if you're on JMDL DIGEST mode or not. 4. You're disqualified if you find any misspelled words in THIS email. 5. Sweepstakes ends Saturday, March 18th at 5:00 p.m. (Chicago time). Winners name(s) will be posted on the JMDL late Saturday p.m. or Sunday a.m. 6. This is NOT a joke.........altho feel free to send me one along with your entry. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:24:12 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC:TIPS ON GETTING TICKETS Phyliss Ward wrote: > Did I miss something here? Do we have anything definitive on ticket sales for > the Joni concerts? No. But we're getting ready! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:32:49 -0800 From: "susan+rick" Subject: Re: David Blue Kakki posts: >I never heard of David Blue or knew he was > the subject of Joni's song until I heard it from our L.A. music historian, > Mr. Dulson, here on the list. I always thought most of her songs from the > album were about James Taylor. Hold on now. Did I miss a major post or an old thread? I have always believed (ever since the release of Blue) that the song was indeed about JT because that was Joni's nickname for him. I didn't fantasize this, I'm sure I read it in numerous reviews. Can anyone point me to the post containing this startling revelation? Joni mentions David Blue in a very early concert (67 or 68) but that's the only connection I know of. Someone please enlighten me Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:14:39 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: David Blue susan+rick wrote: > Kakki posts: > > >I never heard of David Blue or knew he was > > the subject of Joni's song until I heard it from our L.A. music historian, > > Mr. Dulson, here on the list. I always thought most of her songs from the > > album were about James Taylor. > > Hold on now. Did I miss a major post or an old thread? I have always > believed (ever since the release of Blue) that the song was indeed about JT > because that was Joni's nickname for him. I, also, have always thought that the song was about JT. I'm searching the articles I have now to see if it has any references. If Blue is about David Blue then that is news to most of us. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:21:48 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: vh1 list NJC At 09:23 PM 3/15/00 -0500, Walter R Rodgers III wrote: >I agree Joni beats out Kurt, no contest.... but I've got to say I thought Kurt was pretty good. >I was a Zep, Who, Stones & Floyd fan when I was going through my period of adolescent rebellion, and Nirvana was the first rip-it-up band to come along after what seemed like an endless flow of crap that I really enjoyed. This is what I've heard from other people, Walter. I must say ... I've never listened to Nirvana much. I was basically going by years of experience in singer/song writers. I was really into Zeppelin, The Who and Stones too. Also Yes and Rush. It really is pitiful that Cobain died so young. I'll have to make an effort to listen to some of Nirvana's music more closely. As a sampling, as far as 'bands of the 90's' I think Pearl Jam and Days of the New are cool. As far as lyrists I have to go with Meshell Ndegeoclleo. You know, this might make an interesting NJC (SJC?) thread discussing how our musical tastes transform over the years. Just a thought ... Heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:28:04 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: David Blue NJC Green content only Kakki wrote: > Hope you have a wonderful time! Wish I could be there at ground zero. I > have to settle for a small dive bar here tomorrow night (at least it's an > authentic Irish group that hangs there, though, ;-) > Sounds like my kind of bar, Kakki. I bet they even have a pool table in the back room. Funny but the best Paddy's days I've had have been ones when I was out of the country. Something to do with home looking better from a distance. Happy St. Paddy's day to you and all the other irish Jonists. Philip NP: A record by someone called Lolita Storm. What a great name ! - - from last night's John Peel show. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:39:08 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: David Blue Jerry wrote: > I, also, have always thought that the song was about JT. I'm searching the > articles I have now to see if it has any references. If Blue is about David > Blue then that is news to most of us. > This reminds me of the time someone tried to argue that Carey was JT. I don't think she's likely to have identified the subject of a personal song in interviews. The David Blue story has been around since the time of the album's release. Philip NP Giles Peterson on radio 1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:44:25 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: David Blue - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > susan+rick wrote: > > > Kakki posts: > > > > >I never heard of David Blue or knew he was > > > the subject of Joni's song until I heard it from our L.A. music > historian, > > > Mr. Dulson, here on the list. I always thought most of her songs from the > > > album were about James Taylor. > > > > Hold on now. Did I miss a major post or an old thread? I have always > > believed (ever since the release of Blue) that the song was indeed about JT > > because that was Joni's nickname for him. > > I, also, have always thought that the song was about JT. I'm searching the > articles I have now to see if it has any references. If Blue is about David > Blue then that is news to most of us. According to Marc Eliot, author of 'Death of a Rebel, a Biography of Phil Ochs,' David Blue (real name David Cohen) was a cohort of Phil's from the early 60's until Phil's suicide in April 1976 and his own death in 1982, while jogging around Washington Square Park in NYC. On page 327, Eliot recalls that "Mitchell had written the Blue album for David" Brian ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:51:29 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: David Blue Brian Gross wrote: > > > According to Marc Eliot, author of 'Death of a Rebel, a Biography of Phil > Ochs,' David Blue (real name David Cohen) was a cohort of Phil's from the early > 60's until Phil's suicide in April 1976 and his own death in 1982, while > jogging around Washington Square Park in NYC. On page 327, Eliot recalls that > "Mitchell had written the Blue album for David" I had heard of that, but would like to see and read something in Joni's words about it. And I seem to remember her saying in print that Blue was her nickname for JT because of his moods. If so, it would make more sense that the song refers to him, since she has stated that most of Blue does revolve around her relationship with him. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:27:09 EST From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: david blue- new to me! hey y'all so what is/was david blue's music like? is it available in print? he's part of the o' so sad, petulant and wonderful beautiful dead boy singer songwriters club? tim buckley, nick drake et al? i'd be curious to know more. erin go bra-less doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:06:18 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: david blue- new to me! njc <> I wonder the same thing, Doug, and I'm very anxious to hear the selections that Philip is sending to me for the covers set...I couldn't believe I had completely missed the boat with Nick Drake, and was blown away by the songs that Paul C. sent me a while back! Bob NP: Santana, "Love of My Life" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:24:47 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: $25/750pts DEAL if you signed-up for S&H GreenPoints (NJC) Here's a good deal if you are signed-up (are a member) with S&H Greenpoints. Free $25 Gift Certificate for a $25 Purchase. If you are a new customer (never placed an order) at more.com (or if you're an existing customer but have another email address under another family member's name) you can get a $25 Gift Certificate (good for hundreds of stores, including Barnes & Noble, Sam Goody, Benihana, Loews Cineplex) with any $25 purchase at http://www.more.com If you go to http://www.greenpoints.com and link to more.com thru their site......... you'll get an additional 750 S&H greenpoints as greenpoints.com is offering 30 points to the dollar TODAY (for St. Patrick's day) and more.com is a merchant!!! $25 at 30 points per dollar = 750 points for more free gift certificates!!! Now that's a WOOOO-HOOOO (quoting CatGirl of course) The $25 Gift Certificate at more.com will be added to your shopping cart and will look like you have to pay for it until you've shopped for $25 in your shopping cart. Then it'll show as a credit. FREE SHIPPING TOO! All the info about it is at more.com when you click on the box about the offer and read the fine print. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ FUN STUFF: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thermasilk sweepstakes. (I won a travel kit). Call tollfree 1-800-944-3154 and can use UPC # 07630. In addition to the phone numer you can also enter online at: http://www.thermasilkhair.com/ and try to win again! Essentiel Elements sample (bath and body) Very real, herbal, quality items http://www.essentielelements.com/esse/guest/register.asp? Have fun! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:00:44 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: David Blue Jerry wrote: >. If so, it would make more sense that the song refers > to him, since she has stated that most of Blue does revolve around her > relationship with him. (JT) > That's interesting Jerry. What interview is that ? I've always assumed that none of the songs on Blue involved JT, in the sense that songs are ever about one specific person. From a chronological point of view I imagined the JT related songs appeared on For The Roses. Assuming that the songs on Blue were written in the 18 months prior to it's recording and the fact that the album was delayed due to name and song changes many of those songs may have been written before she and he were an item. As ever I'm open to correction on all of this but there probably is no definite answer untill she writes that book. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:34:14 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: david blue- new to me! Wolfebite@aol.com wrote: > so what is/was david blue's music like? is it available in print? he's part > of the o' so sad, petulant and wonderful beautiful dead boy singer > songwriters club? tim buckley, nick drake et al? I saw him perform once at San Francisco's Winterland as opening act for (I forget)...I wasn't severely impressed.. this would have been '73 or '74. My recollection was of him playing electric guitar with a band, and he wasn't much of a singer...at some point he said that he wanted to introduce a good ol' SF resident, and Graham Nash joined him to sing some harmony. I have this vivid memory of Blue's guitar cord coming out of his guitar, him unaware, and Nash kind of following him around the stage practically on his knees trying to plug it back in for him.... That's all I got, other than to echo the idea that "For The Roses" was more the "James Taylor songs" album than "Blue". RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:53:05 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: need prayers Hi everyone. Hate to interrupt with this, but I need your help. A week ago I had a tumor and my left ovary removed. I just got a call back from the surgeon saying he wants me to come in 8:00 Monday morning for the results. (I wasn't supposed to see him until later in the week.) I don't think this is good news. Maybe if some of you think good thoughts, or send a little prayer my way it will help. I'd really appreciate it. love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:35:26 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Joni's songs and the divine spirit In the JM companion,there is an interview where Joni talks about how she feels that some of her songs were influenced directly by the divine spirit.I've been wondering how she could know this?How does one know if music is spiritually inspired or not,or if any work of art is? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:55:18 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: JMDL will be down Hi Joniphiles - The location where smoe.org is housed will be without power for 10 hours Saturday morning (starting at 6AM or so Eastern). No messages will be lost, they will be simply be held in the queue until power is restored. Les NP: John Martyn "The Message" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:56:19 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Tour From: "Nick Straw - LCA" Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:18:38 -0000 Hi, new member to list so- hi everyone. I live in Nottingham, England. I do hope Joni is considering coming to England to do a concert, especially as she recorded the CD in London. Hope so. Last time I saw Joni...sorry for the pun...was at the Birmingham NEC in 1983. I guess I'm lucky to have seen her. Magic Love Carl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:27:54 EST From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's songs and the divine spirit hello "I've been wondering how she could know this?How does one know if music is spiritually inspired or not,or if any work of art is? " it's an interesting question. i'll take a stab considering as my own performance work- which briefly stated is about the desire of union with the divine- is 80% borrowing and deliberation and 20% inspiration/inspirited. you can say that if you are inspired - you are divinely connected. the old Webster has as it's first entry under 'inspire' - to influence, move, or guide by divine or supernatural inspiration. 'inspiration'- a divine influence or action on a person believed to qualify him/her/Joni to receive and communicate sacred revelation. inspire and spirit share the same roots- in- spirare 'to breathe', 'breath'. when i work- i deliberate and edit and dig into the words... and sometimes i let go and write or ponder about something for a period, look back at it and think 'where did that come from'? that i think of as inspirited work. or i'll have this very visceral shift- almost like a bottom out of my stomach and a roaring/rushing in my ears and i have to stop and breathe. usually that happens when i see something that moves me- i just move into that work/thought/sound/idea for that brief second. after it's over- i desperately try to recount what it was i saw or felt. that's just my own process and difficult to describe. But I know it- i know it in my body and in that part of me that doesn't analyze. i wonder what songs joni thinks are inspired by the Divine Spirit. I think 'keep in touch' is, for example. it also delivered in that evocative hushed urgency of something that could just slip out of your grasp- any many dreams and visions do. what do other's think? doug ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:35:40 -0000 From: "catman" Subject: Porn Laws NJC I caught a snatch of a news item. It was discussing the change in the law as regards pornography here in the UK. The governament spokesperson was a lady by the name of Diane Organ MP!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:52:31 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni Finalizes Tour Dates see http://www.jonimitchell.com/Frames1.html All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 20:39:32 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: BSN - "regular" release Well, I'm sitting here waiting for my nail polish to dry and listening to the "regular" release of BSN. And I have to say that the quality of this disc is a billion times better than the pressing for the limited edition. Don't know why, but this production line is much sharper and clearer for me to hear. MG np: Both Sides Now ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:46:17 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: New York Voices - NJC Does anybody know anything about the group New York Voices? I recently saw them singing selections from their cd of Paul Simon songs on the BET Jazz channel & thought they were great. Thinking about ordering something from CDNow. Any suggestions, comments? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:35:52 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's songs and the divine spirit (md) When you use the words "divine" it generally referrs to God. I cant imagine God having inspired any of Joni Mitchells songs with the exception of Sire of Sorrow. As for the "inspiration" behind songwriting all I can say is that a couple of times in the course of my songwriting career I had a couple of instances where I would swear the songs came from someone else and I jusr was the channell through which they were written. It was as if the song "gods" were saying we know you're a songwriter whos been trying all the time but falling short so we're going to throw you a couple of real good ones and POP out they came. On two occassions I wrote something like eight songs in one hour or two. It seemed to happen when I was really hungry and hadent eaten anything for hours. Both times. I would get home from work and start playing and about three hours later they happened. Once I started to get inspired I would just keep writing until the songs stopped coming. I would just throw on a tape and play and record whatever I put down. Go back later and polish them up. What was really strange was that on one of those two occassions the beginning of one song and the end of that same song were at the beginning and end of the stream. Some of those songs today are still among the best of the two hundred or so that I have written in my life. Did "God" sne anything. I dont think hed waste his time. Once youve done the Bible what else is left.....a hit song? marcel deste. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #142 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?