From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #137 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 14 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 137 Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund," with all donations going directly into the upkeep of the JoniMitchell.com website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds, and it will now be up to Jim to continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Mean NME review ["intagliata.m" ] FW: Mean NME review ["Ross, Les" ] Re: CSNY on VH-1 [Jerry Notaro ] NJC Re: Joni's guitar shapes, rarities, drones, snow lyrics [SCJoniGuy@ao] Re: Joni's guitar shapes, rarities, drones, snow lyrics ["P. Henry" ] Sugar Zoned (NJC) ["Michael Paz" ] Joni Tour Dates [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: CSNY on VH-1 ["Mark T. Domyancich" ] Re: Mean NME review [Jason Maloney ] Re: Joni Tour Dates [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: Joni's guitar shapes, rarities, drones, snow lyrics [Brian Gross ] Re: Joni's guitar shapes, rarities, drones, snow lyrics [SCJoniGuy@aol.co] Hejira and stuffNJC [catman ] Re: Joni's guitar shapes, rarities, drones, snow lyrics [catman ] Re: Re: Another Both Sides Now (not entirely devoid of Joni content) [Fr] NJC Virus Warning [Rome ] Re: Mean NME review [Mike Friedman ] Sweet and Lowdown (NJC) [waytoblu@mindspring.com] (I'm a) Lucky Girl [Bounced Message ] "empty" digests [Dmascall@aol.com] previous post [Dmascall@aol.com] RE: Mean NME review ["Carver, Dax" ] Aaaaahhhhh.....nice [Loren Carter ] Re: "empty" digests NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Mean NME review NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Hejira and stuff [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Beth Orton (njc) [evian ] bsn again [evian ] Re: Hejira and stuff kinda NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Cancelled BSNLE Orders Arriving? [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] better late than never [mr_lovesaint@webtv.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:57:35 -0300 From: "intagliata.m" Subject: Mean NME review Hi everyone! This review appeared on the New Musical Express site (http://www.nme.com/) on March 10. I find it extremely foolish and gratuitously disrespectful, but there it goes: Joni Mitchell Both Sides Now (Reprise) Strange how the ageing process tends to affect the brain cells. Just as David Bowie decided it would be a good idea to work with Brian Molko it is presumably from that same wellhead of boredom and late-career anxiety that Joni Mitchell suddenly decided it would be wise to make a record of pre-rock'n'roll ballads with the backing of a jazz orchestra. 'Both Sides Now', with its reek of bohemian opulence, is Mitchell's tribute to the great songwriters of the 20th century; Rodgers and Hart, Harold Arlen and, oh yes, Joni Mitchell. Whether the inclusion of reworkings of her own 'Both Sides Now' (which has a reasonable case for being a modern classic) and 'A Case Of You' (which doesn't) is an act of grotesque vanity or a dearth of ideas is anyone's guess. Whatever. The arrangements are fluent reconstructions of a bygone sound and under such heavy manners Mitchell sings like a singer - rather than warbling like a harpy - for the first time in her career. It's still a stop-gap, though; an exercise in spending money before she gets round to writing some new songs. That Bryan Ferry crashed and burned with the same idea on last year's 'As Time Goes By' presumably escaped her notice. Nice enough, then, but a bit pointless. 6/10 Jim Wirth - - Mariana in Argentina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:07:32 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: FW: Mean NME review Mmmm.... What, I wonder about this reviewer is, in the current musical canon he feels has currency. I've not heard of this guy but from this little sling-ette, it is apparent that he cares little for Ms M's singing. 'Harpy' indeed. Apart from the cretinously ageist openner and attendant patronage it seems that we may be reading the work of a youthful mind. (I choose my words with purpose and intent as, I'm sure, does he). I can recall being as dismissive about the older generation of musicians and their relevance to me and my 'world' but I ditched that as an absurdity at the age of fifteen. Well, there you go, I can be as patronising as those being paid to be so. His reference to moderns classics, too, does seem to overlook the intention for the body of work to track the 'arc of a relationship' (sic) etc, but no doubt that would be perceived as pretension. Oh dear, it is all so very earnest. 'Nice but pointless'....from where I sit there appears much in today's music that fails even to qualify for that descriptive epithet. Les (London) Subject: Mean NME review Joni Mitchell Both Sides Now (Reprise) Strange how the ageing process tends to affect the brain cells. Just as David Bowie decided it would be a good idea to work with Brian Molko it is presumably from that same wellhead of boredom and late-career anxiety that Joni Mitchell suddenly decided it would be wise to make a record of pre-rock'n'roll ballads with the backing of a jazz orchestra. 'Both Sides Now', with its reek of bohemian opulence, is Mitchell's tribute to the great songwriters of the 20th century; Rodgers and Hart, Harold Arlen and, oh yes, Joni Mitchell. Whether the inclusion of reworkings of her own 'Both Sides Now' (which has a reasonable case for being a modern classic) and 'A Case Of You' (which doesn't) is an act of grotesque vanity or a dearth of ideas is anyone's guess. Whatever. The arrangements are fluent reconstructions of a bygone sound and under such heavy manners Mitchell sings like a singer - rather than warbling like a harpy - for the first time in her career. It's still a stop-gap, though; an exercise in spending money before she gets round to writing some new songs. That Bryan Ferry crashed and burned with the same idea on last year's 'As Time Goes By' presumably escaped her notice. Nice enough, then, but a bit pointless. 6/10 Jim Wirth - - Mariana in Argentina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:26:49 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: CSNY on VH-1 What a great show it was. I noticed they mentioned Joel Burnstein(sp?). I've heard Joni mention him on occasion as the only one alive who knows all her tunings. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:39:20 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Joni's guitar shapes, rarities, drones, snow lyrics <> Glad you got the package, Clark, but I can't take credit for these tracks, all I did was make copies of what had been issued to the JMDL before my time...Simon should get the thanks; all I've got is the machinery and the willingness to share what has been generously shared with me! And your song "The Sugar Zone" sounds like an answer song to the song "Sugar Walls" that Sheena Easton had a hit with. I think Prince wrote it but I'm not sure... Bob NP: The Replacements, "Here Comes a Regular" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 05:48:42 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Joni's guitar shapes, rarities, drones, snow lyrics carlton wrote: >...Brandy Eyes, Winter Lady, Mr. Blue and Eastern Rain. Maybe they are not the best of Joni's songs, but even her rejects are going to be fascinating...> I don't know about best but Brandy Eyes and Eastern Rain, along with the unrecorded(?) Moon In The Mirror, were among her top, most requested songs in her pre-STAS days. maybe 'rejects' is a little strong..? heck she didn't even record her most popular songs (CG, UFG, BSN) on her first album. just think how often you've ever seen that! pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 06:37:01 PST From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: Joni not playing European dates I remember her doing something around Glocester (sp?) Road for TI. I remember it being a short set and maybe a small art exhibit...anyone know for sure? Reuben >From: Dmascall@aol.com >Reply-To: Dmascall@aol.com >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Joni not playing European dates >Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 18:15:46 EST > >Since I go through phases of Joni-mania at intervals of several years and >out >of sync with Joni's European tour dates I'm resigned to the conclusion that >I'll never see Joni here (UK) - was the last time she played in London >(which incidentally Joni is by no means all of the UK) in 1983? Or was I >right in remembering she did a "musicbiz"/"special invites" gig in London >to >coincide with the release of Turbulent Indigo in 1994. > >Perhaps we could persuade Joni of the peculiarly batty point of view (c/o >the british Conservative party) that the UK has nothing to do with Europe >and >has much more affinity with the states - or am I just clutching at straws? > >David Mascall > >NP - "The Beatles at the Beeb" - about as retro as you can get but fitfully >fascinating - this must include the only known instance of mainstream >british >artists performing a Mikis Theodorakis song. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:31:14 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: CSNY on VH-1 i watched it in its entirety and have the following thoughts. first, the story on joni was really nice. grahm really paid her very high tribute. i think he said she was one of the most brilliant people he ever met. and then like kak said, he immediately looked off stage and said his wife was also brilliant. they told another one about writing a song in laurel canyon and crosby thought they were at joni's house and stills rejected that and said they were at cass elliots house and then crosby said they would never be able to remember it right. the highlight of the show for me was crosby and nash singing gwennivere. of all the songs done, that one, for me, was the most beautiful. crosby's voice was dead nuts on, and he sounded like the old crosby. so clear. and grahm's harmonies were excellent. crosby played solo guitar and he did a great job. they nailed it. i thought steven stills had really cleaned up. his voice is not what it was. but he was sober and coherent, and the last interview i saw of him, he was neither. of course, neil young never changes. he did some nice lead work against steven stills. i thought his voice had slipped a little in that high octave he sings in. but i loved his get up. jeans, tee shirt, flannel shirt. made me want to be 17 again. of the four, i really thought david crosby had his game on best. then steven stills. then a tie for grahm and neil. pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 07:44:03 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: NJC: Jimmy Buffet and Joni and Mr. Buffet's 2000 tour dates Sorry Chili -- but I just couldn't resist a comparative reading of lyrics from JM vs. JB -- so here goes: On sex: JM: I gave him clothes and jewelery I gave him my warm body JB: Why don't we get drunk and screw On the City of Lights: JM: I was a free man in Paris I felt unfettered and alive JB: I think about Paris when I'm high on red wine; I wish I could jump on a plane. On personal responsibility: JM: You were not to blame JB: It's my own damn fault On going out to see the nightlife: JM: If you got a place like that to go You just have to go there If you got no place special Well then, you just go no place special JB: Pickup's washed and you just got paid. With any luck at all you might even get laid, 'Cause they're pickin' and a-kickin' on a Livingston Saturday Night. Like I said, just couldn't resist! ;-) Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:04:11 -0500 From: "Steven A. Blue" Subject: un.sub.scribe un.sub.scribe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:26:18 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Sugar Zoned (NJC) Clark- Your writing is getting SO good. I can't wait to hear this one. I received your cd late last week and I really love it. Everything sounds pretty darn good for the amount of time you had to record it. I pray you the luxury to be able to spend more time in the studio making recordings. Of course you will be able to record your live set here in New Orleans in May. Michael THE SUGAR ZONE The time is drawing near While you stay or disappear Down an icy road to shiver, to shiver all alone? But if you would come inside We can take an inner ride Down a river, a buttered rum river To the Sugar Zone. CHORUS: The wind will howl like an old screech owl And the cold will creep outside the clapboard But we're warm inside as our lips collide And we'll burn against each other 'neath the blankets (If you stay) While within we're melting like milk chocolates (If you stay) Darlin', we could sleep so tight If you stay with me tonight We'll count spun sugar sheep To a deep marshmallow sleep While outside A billion ballerinas glide To candy coat the countryside And in the morning when we wake Your car is frosted like a cake We'll be snowbound But all around In six track surround Is the Sugar Zone CHORUS: The time is drawing near Will you stay or disappear? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:57:50 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Joni Tour Dates I've talked to friends who work in NY theatres/boxoffices and they say that it is common for someone to be booked and the boxoffice won't have any knowledge/information immediately. I decided to E-mail The Greek in LA Re confirmation of Joni performing there: Do you have any information confirming Joni Mitchell at The Greek on Friday, >05/12/00? > >Thank you. > >Stephen Elliott >smebd@aol.com Unofficially, yes. Full details will be available at the end of the week. Stay tuned. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:01:35 -0600 From: "Mark T. Domyancich" Subject: Re: CSNY on VH-1 I would be eternally grateful if someone would be willing to copy it for b&p for me. Let me know! Mark, slightly coherent from oral surgery this morning - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:20:10 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Mean NME review Mariana wrote: > Hi everyone! > > This review appeared on the New Musical Express site (http://www.nme.com/) > on March 10. I find it extremely foolish and gratuitously disrespectful, but > there it goes: Hmm....I think this kind of *review* pretty much sums up what David Mascall and I were talking about a few weeks ago with regard to the UK music press. To think this person is getting paid a decent wage to come up with such misinformed and poorly written stuff. I fail to find anything of redeeming quality or worth in anything he has written. Of course, all critics should be allowed a certain degree of scope to be less-than-complimentary if they really see fit, and if the subject deserves to be pulled up for some shortcoming, but this kind of journalism is simply poor and a waste of space and time. Sadly, it is also all too common these days. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:23:40 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Tour Dates In a message dated 03/13/2000 1:53:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, RHobbs@socalgas.com writes: << Hi Steven: Do you have that email address or the URL for the Greek? I looked and looked on Saturday and couldn't find them on the Internet. Thanks. >> The URL for The Greek is: http://www.nederlander.com/greek.html and there is a link to e-mail them (or you can E-mail them directly at concerts@nederlander.com). You can also add your name to an E-mail list for schedule updates. All the best, Stephen smebd@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:18:19 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni's guitar shapes, rarities, drones, snow lyrics - --- Pat wrote: > I don't know about best but Brandy Eyes and Eastern Rain, along with the > unrecorded(?) Moon In The Mirror, were among her top, most requested songs in > her pre-STAS days. maybe 'rejects' is a little strong..? heck she didn't even > record her most popular songs (CG, UFG, BSN) on her first album. just think > how often you've ever seen that! CG ???? Please elaborate on that one. Thanks. Brian ne: Chicken w/sesame seeds, spicy (hey, I didn't have Chinese food all weekend) :-) ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:19:50 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Mean NME review intagliata.m wrote > I find it extremely foolish and gratuitously disrespectful, but > there it goes: > The NME review seems fine to me. Sure it's disrespectful. What's wrong with that ? I don't think Joni wants to be treated like some sort of Queen Mum because she's reached a certain age. Thank goodness she retains her brilliant sense of humour as she said in The Times : "I'm an old babe now. I'm of an age when husbands run away with older models." Philip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:19:36 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: CSNY on VH-1 Pat wrote: >i watched it in its entirety and have the following thoughts. first, the story on joni was really nice. >grahm really paid her very high tribute It was really surprising to me - here they are in the midst of a highly publicized, historic tour and yet they start off the whole show with a tribute to Joni. Very high tribute. > they told another one about writing a song in laurel canyon and crosby > thought they were at joni's house and stills rejected that and said they were > at cass elliots house and then crosby said they would never be able to > remember it right. On the preceding "Legends" show, they were all debating this and attributing their lack of recall to smoking Crosby's weed at the time (If you can't remember it, then you were there). Cass lived up the street from Joni so maybe it was one of those progressive block party kind of things ;-) > the highlight of the show for me was crosby and nash singing gwennivere. of > all the songs done, that one, for me, was the most beautiful. crosby's voice > was dead nuts on, and he sounded like the old crosby. so clear. and grahm's > harmonies were excellent. crosby played solo guitar and he did a great job. > they nailed it. They also nailed it at the L.A. concert. The audience was collectively gasping. Crosby most definitely sounds like the old Crosby and at times he exceeds anything he has ever done in the past. He is a walking miracle. > i thought steven stills had really cleaned up. his voice is not what it was. > but he was sober and coherent, and the last interview i saw of him, he was > neither. Stills blew me away at the concert. There were also many moments in his performance where I felt like I was seeing him with Buffalo Springfield again. Absolute joy for me. Another surprise was that both Stills and Croz have really slimmed down and that has been a constant comment among their fans. Maybe it's the good workout they are getting on this tour. > of course, neil young never changes. he did some nice lead work against > steven stills. i thought his voice had slipped a little in that high octave > he sings in. but i loved his get up. jeans, tee shirt, flannel shirt. made > me want to be 17 again. As you probably know, Neil has his own vociferous band of fans, the Rusties. At the concert they were easily identifiable because they were all dressed exactly like this! Also saw what must be Croz's particular fans - lots of guys with handlebar mustaches wearing a vest and blue jeans just like him. > of the four, i really thought david crosby had his game on best. then steven > stills. then a tie for grahm and neil. I think you are right. I'm still amazed at their transformations. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:47:26 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's guitar shapes, rarities, drones, snow lyrics <> That'd be your basic "Circle Game", Bry... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:56:45 +0000 From: catman Subject: Hejira and stuffNJC I have a very busy couple of weeks. Had new fencing put up in the garden-6ft all the way around. The garden is 120 ft long. My darling dogs have dug under the damn thing!!!! So now I will have to go and buy paving slabs to lay alround the edge-they surely can't dig thru concrete! I also bought a new pc-just the box. This is super duper fast and has an inbuilt dvd and cd writer too. It has 126 mb sdram. Much faster to use than my old 133 with external cd writer. This machine is an HP Pavillion. I have recorded cd's on it at 4x and they play back fine on my hi fi and the mini one in the bedroom. A By this evening, I was zinging .I was so wound up from the busy-ness of the last couple of weeks, I was literally physically hurting. I couldn't even get into my meditation. So I layed down in the bedrrom and put on Hejira. By the second track, my breathing was slow, my body was slack and my mind had stopped racing. This album is one of my best relax alums. Yet when i first bought it when i was 17, I hated it. I thought it was dull. Now, 24 years later, it is one of my favourites. The music and her voice are just amazing. I lay in the dark, with the speakers arranged so that the voice seems to come from my head and the mucic from my ears. This way, i get to hear all the instruments. I hear something new each time, it seems.It's just that each time I listen soemthing else takes my attention. I say 'something' because I don't enough about instruments to name what it is that I like so much. I still think SFS and Amelia and SB are my favourites. Oh, and FSTB. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 20:59:00 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni's guitar shapes, rarities, drones, snow lyrics SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > < > Please elaborate on that one. Thanks.>> > > That'd be your basic "Circle Game", Bry... I didn't get it either. The song is The Circle Game, so TCG would have got me there! Still, aren't anagrams fun? bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:39:42 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Another Both Sides Now (Joni content by default) In a message dated 3/11/00 4:08:44 PM, Jimmy wrote: >Fred, is this CD still in the promotional stages or can it be obtained commercially. > I looked at CD Now and all I could find was an album by >Freda Simone. I really *doubt* that's you. I love the songs that Kakki mentioned, >plus anytime Kakki says a CD is good it carries a lot of weight with me. > >Now we have to get you to the N.O. Jonifest! Jimmy, thanks so much for asking. Freda Simone must be my female counterpart in the mirror world. Anyway, here's the scoop: Songs Of My Youth, Volume 1, has not been officially released yet because I'm still in the process of finding a label to put it out. In the mean time, I have made some digital copies which are all but finished -- the artwork is homemade but the music is complete, it just hasn't been "mastered," which is a technical process that, ideally, is transparent to the listener in the end result, putting a final polish on an album: tonal and volume balances from song to song and overall, adjusting the spacing between songs, etc. ... nothing that's really crucial to the music, and in fact, probably wouldn't be noticed by most. Kakki's enthusiastic review was based on one of these "unmastered" copies. I don't know when (or even if) a label will be officially releasing it so in the mean time if anyone is interested in buying one of these (handmade by the artist and signed, of course), I'd be happy to sell one to you. Just email me directly at frednow@aol.com By the way, I also have a brand new album of my own tunes, Dreamhouse (The NAIM Label), coming out in a month or so, and I'm very excited about it. This record will be available in traditional retail outlets, both virtual and otherwise. More on that when its release date is determined. Now, about this New Orleans JoniFest ... I must confess to not knowing much about this but would like to know more. What, when, who, where (exactly)? Hey, I'm always up for a gig playing Jonimusic. Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:44:52 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Dulcimer Clark wrote: >It was only natural for her to take to the dulcimer, and Steve D. >might correct me on this, which always has a drone. Why did Joni stop >writing for the dulcimer after BLUE? Played in the traditional style, yes it has drones. Joni usually lets at least one string drone on her songs. Why did she quit? My theory - she took the dulcimer along on her trip to Europe, as it was easier to lug around than her Martin, wrote the four songs she recorded on Blue, then found that she wanted the additional compositional range provided by her guitar and piano. ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:50:46 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Another Both Sides Now (not entirely devoid of Joni content) In a message dated 3/11/00 5:25:18 PM, Jody wrote: >You are so right there Kakki! Scott and I were fortunate to see and >hear Fred at one of his gigs at "Pops For Champagne". Although there >were no cushy chairs available, I left there feeling that I had just had >the most incredible back rub. All the tension that I had stored up in >my neck and back that day, simply vanished. Fred is a wonderful >musician. Also incredible is his wife. She was 8 or 9 mos. pregnant >that night and playing the drums like crazy. I wonder what instrument >their baby will pick up :~) Wow, Jody, double thanks for your kind words. So glad you dug the music. Of course, anything our daughter wants to do is cool with us, but if she wanted to play bass we'd have a complete family trio. By the way, my new trio album that I mentioned in another post, Dreamhouse, was recorded while Sarah was 8 months pregnant so we like to think of our daughter as the fourth member of the trio. (Please see my reply to Jimmy regarding Songs Of My Youth, Volume 1.) Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:33:16 +0100 From: Rome Subject: NJC Virus Warning Originator: > > Sian Walters > > Planning Asst. 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This is a > > new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it. > > This information was announced yesterday morning from Microsoft. > > > > Thank You, > > > > Neil Ferrick, > > Compaq Computer > > Corporation > Rupert Horrox - photographer > > Rupert Horrox - photographer > > 12 Inwood Avenue Cellular: 077 1195 6006 > HOUNSLOW Fax: 020 8814 2255 > TW3 1XG Work: 020 8814 2244 > UK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:49:04 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Mean NME review Well, that's true enough, Philip, but it was an extremely snotty review nonetheless. I'm always amazed when people admit upfront "I hate the artist I'm about to write a review about." Then why do we care what they think? If they have such preconceived notions about what you will and won't like, why write a review at all? This is the kind of attitude that I remember hating in a review of the film of Evita. Personally, it's the only Lloyd Webber piece I can stand and while it had some problems, I liked it. The movie reviewer started out by telling you how much she hated the show and every recording ever made of it. Not an unbiased opinion, I think. If I was asked to write a review of a Whitney Houston (or better, Celine Dion) album, I would decline. I can't stand either of them. (NP-"Hejira" live version) > From: philipf@tinet.ie > Reply-To: philipf@tinet.ie > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:19:50 +0000 > To: "intagliata.m" > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Mean NME review > > > intagliata.m wrote > >> I find it extremely foolish and gratuitously disrespectful, but >> there it goes: >> > The NME review seems fine to me. Sure it's disrespectful. What's > wrong with that ? I don't think Joni wants to be treated like some sort > of Queen Mum because she's reached a certain age. Thank goodness > she retains her brilliant sense of humour as she said in The Times : "I'm > an old babe now. I'm of an age when husbands run away with older > models." > > Philip > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:31:40 -0500 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Sweet and Lowdown (NJC) This weekend I went to see the new Woody Allen movie, Sweet and Lowdown, and highly recommend it. Sean Penn does an excellent job playing an extremely talented yet somewhat obscure, jazz guitarist named Emmet Ray who considers himself the best guitarist in the world next to Django Reinhardt. And I fell completely in love with the actress who plays a mute girl named Hattie that Ray becomes involved with. She has the most amazing eyes. Victor http://www.mindspring.com/~waytoblu/Tangled.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:56:42 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: (I'm a) Lucky Girl Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:41:41 -0800 (PST) From: Lori Fye Sorry for the bounce-thru ... Just wanted to share with everyone that my lover, Mary, was observant enough to learn of the release of Joni's limited edition BSN even before I did, and was nice enough to purchase same (thru CDUniverse) as a surprise! An extra lucky part is that -- although we had to wait thru weeks of back orders (no doubt due to requests for replacements) -- my treasured copy finally arrived Saturday in beautiful condition, without a scratch! Mary -- a long-time Joni fan but one whose personal collection includes only LOTC, C&S, TI, and Misses -- was immediately blown away by Joni's vocals and said she keeps visualizing a black woman in a smallish hat, singing ... I said, "Joni would probably be pleased to hear that." We are both thrilled with the packaging (although Mary at first thought it was a candy box; I told her it's a hat box in which that "smallish hat" would fit) and the lithographs. Mary has just discovered what a wonderful painter Joni is, and -- without benefit of knowledge of any JMDL discussions on the subject -- suggested that the lithos be matted and framed. When I was at A Day In The Garden and heard Joni sing, "Comes Love," I was moved to tears. I was ecstatic to learn that Joni would record an album of standards. What an absolute delight BSN is! I love each and every song, including (and maybe especially) A Case of You and Both Sides Now. At work and without benefit of a sound card, I'm off to listen to my head ... Lori (San Antonio, Philadelphia) Washington, DC NPIMH: Comes Love ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:55:47 EST From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: "empty" digests I've recently been forced into temporary use of an old 486 computer with AOL version 3 to send and receive emails (very s-l-o-o-o-w to download even the standard digests). However, not all my digests seem to download correctly. To be specific I end up with a file of the required length but full of documents I've read lately etc . and NOT the required download. Anybody got any suggestions? David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:58:03 EST From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: previous post Apologies - last post should have been NJC - and of course now I've marked this NJC it won't reach the people for whom the apologies are intended. There.... got rid of the NJC (hope you understand) David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:14:04 -0500 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: RE: Mean NME review I totally agree with you Mike! It makes no sense to review someone you dislike from the get-go unless their most recent work has caused some change in one's opinion. I too can't stand Whitney Houston and Celine Dion and, so would never review them. My reviews would inevitably be negative. Of course, in order to review them I would have to first listen to their albums and I don't think I could do that to myself. dax > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Friedman [SMTP:mikefriedman@pacbell.net] > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 5:49 PM > To: philipf@tinet.ie > Cc: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Mean NME review > > Well, that's true enough, Philip, but it was an extremely snotty review > nonetheless. I'm always amazed when people admit upfront "I hate the > artist > I'm about to write a review about." Then why do we care what they think? > If > they have such preconceived notions about what you will and won't like, > why > write a review at all? > > This is the kind of attitude that I remember hating in a review of the > film > of Evita. Personally, it's the only Lloyd Webber piece I can stand and > while > it had some problems, I liked it. The movie reviewer started out by > telling > you how much she hated the show and every recording ever made of it. Not > an > unbiased opinion, I think. > > If I was asked to write a review of a Whitney Houston (or better, Celine > Dion) album, I would decline. I can't stand either of them. > > (NP-"Hejira" live version) > > > From: philipf@tinet.ie > > Reply-To: philipf@tinet.ie > > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:19:50 +0000 > > To: "intagliata.m" > > Cc: joni@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: Mean NME review > > > > > > intagliata.m wrote > > > >> I find it extremely foolish and gratuitously disrespectful, but > >> there it goes: > >> > > The NME review seems fine to me. Sure it's disrespectful. What's > > wrong with that ? I don't think Joni wants to be treated like some > sort > > of Queen Mum because she's reached a certain age. Thank goodness > > she retains her brilliant sense of humour as she said in The Times : > "I'm > > an old babe now. I'm of an age when husbands run away with older > > models." > > > > Philip > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 00 21:33:16 EST From: Loren Carter Subject: Aaaaahhhhh.....nice All, My copy of BSN arrived today. I must be the last person here to have gotten it. When I got home from my new job, it was sitting on the table, still unopened. I asked my wife why, since I got it for her, she wanted to wait for me to get home before it was opened. I didn't get home until 7pm so the wait must have been unbearable. Anyway, we listened to it once, and it played perfectly...YEAH!!!!, then again as we ate dinner. I was real soothing, and really calmed me down after a trip to the commuter hell museum (both ways were bad today). Afterwards I was so relaxed that my headache went away and I was so mellow (nope, no medicine cabinet trip for me) that I could play on the floor with the little one. We'll probably listen to it one more time before we turn in for the evening. On another note....should there be a concert at Meriweather Post Pavillion in Columbia, MD in May, is there, or can there be a Joni gathering of listers from the DC area who are attending the concert? I know that all of the words have been used to describe this release, but I just had to chime in with my two thumbs up. Loren...... NP...my son getting his night time book read to him. Gotta run to help read it to him. I love being a dad! ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:32:28 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "empty" digests NJC In a message dated 3/13/00 8:12:43 PM US Central Standard Time, Dmascall@aol.com writes: << Anybody got any suggestions? >> Sure, David - get out of digest land and get on the list! ;~D Bob NP: Bruce Cockburn, "Mistress of Storms" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:39:32 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mean NME review NJC In a message dated 3/13/00 9:03:13 PM US Central Standard Time, DC200009@Exchange.AtlantaGA.NCR.com writes: << I too can't stand Whitney Houston and Celine Dion and, so would never review them. >> That's interesting, I almost think it works the other way with me...I've bought a couple of records recently that I expected great things from, and they let me down, so my reviews would be more scathing than for an artist I was ambivalent about in the first place. Especially two artists like Houston & Dion, who are so popular, it would be interesting to try to really listen to them and find good stuff to say, whether it's just vocal qualities, song arrangements, or simply their ability to reach out across several different markets and sell a lotta dang records! Dunno if that makes any sense or not...regardless, I thought the NME was a sucky review from someone who already knew what they were going to say even before they heard the disc. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:50:53 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hejira and stuff In a message dated 3/13/00 3:04:02 PM US Central Standard Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << So I layed down in the bedrrom and put on Hejira. By the second track, my breathing was slow, my body was slack and my mind had stopped racing. This album is one of my best relax alums. Yet when i first bought it when i was 17, I hated it. I thought it was dull. Now, 24 years later, it is one of my favourites. The music and her voice are just amazing. >> Very well put, Colin. Hejira IS the most amazing record. It has the power to influence the way I feel and the way I think about things. It has the most cathartic powers, it's not just a record, there's something very mystical about it, like Joni discovered some secret portal into some emotional psychological netherworld or something. I don't understand it, I'm just thankful that I have it, and that I at least get a little of it! I took the NJC off cuz I thought it was Joni content! Bob PS: Your dogs will dig thru concrete, steel, titanium, you name it, or they'll wear themselves down to a nub trying! :~) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:55:31 -0600 From: evian Subject: Beth Orton (njc) Hi Listers, Just had to once again say that y'all have good taste! I bought the soundtrack for the Madonna movie this weekend (can't think what the hell it's called at the moment) and I thought, as I usually do with soundtracks, that "I'll just listen to the two Madonna songs and forget the rest" because every soundtrack I usually buy is full of crap. Well, I was pleasantly surprised with the whole soundtrack, but in particular, I was blown away by Beth Orton. I have seen her name mentioned on the list a zillion times, but for some reason, I always had her confused with that other singer named Beth -- can't think of her last name, but she's kinda hard and mean looking. Anyway, when the Orton song came on, I thought "Wow, this sounds sorta like Toni Childs meets Tanita Tikaram" and I was completely blown away by it. Driving home from Saskatoon today, I probably played it over and over for the entire hour. Sooooo, those who have been raving about her have once again shown what good taste the list has! I can't wait to hunt down her albums! Evian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:02:10 -0600 From: evian Subject: bsn again Forgot to mention that I got my replacement BSN from cdnow... and this one was ALMOST ok.... plays fine, except during "Comes Love", it buggers up and skips. I can't decide if it's worth sending it back. Normally I would, but I still haven't sent back the first one yet, and it's such a hassle to send it to the States. I think I'm ready to cut my losses on this one.... Joni honey, if you are secretly reading this... if you want to make the kafuffle with the packaging up to us, why don't you sit a spell at the piano again ;) Evian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:19:52 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Hejira and stuff kinda NJC In a message dated 3/13/2000 10:54:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Very well put, Colin. Hejira IS the most amazing record. It has the power to influence the way I feel and the way I think about things. It has the most cathartic powers, it's not just a record, there's something very mystical about it, like Joni discovered some secret portal into some emotional psychological netherworld or something. >> and very well put as well Bob. There is something about that lp that gets me everytime. Speaking of which..I went to an open mike and played Harry's House and Coyote. What is nice about those two songs is that you just have to retune TWO strings instead of the whole kit and kaboodle. They went over well. My husband and I will be getting a gig there sometime in May. And YES I will be playing alot fo Joni dispersed through out the entire evening. and YES, The band thing fell thru. I am saddened by it but Eric and I will work out our own stuff together. and one more YES, I finally bought a NEW TAYLOR!! AND YES a big WHOOO-HOOO! The price was amazing. It was HALF PRICE off of list. It is so beautiful and cheap that we bought TWO!! We now have his and hers Taylors!!! So all and all everything worked out the way it is suppose to. We will still play with these folks from Thin Ice but I don't see them jumping on us so we will just do our own thang!!! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:05:17 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Cancelled BSNLE Orders Arriving? From the hmmmm files, Have any others that ordered from Reprise, then cancelled those same orders, started to receive these things anyway? I ordered mine 1/14 and cancelled it via phone 2/8, but it still showed up today. It looks like they waived the shipping cost. Anyone else experiencing the same thing? It is in perfect shape though, so I just might keep it, to give away down the road. ;-) Or do you suppose they would let me trade it in to reserve primo Joni concert tickets...just joking. ;-D Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:53:34 -0500 (EST) From: mr_lovesaint@webtv.net Subject: better late than never okay ...so im slow.  i just now bought a video copy of the tv special Joni Mitchell : painting with words and music ( had actually gone in looking for the new cd ) . i think i had heard something about it before and at first i had confused it with the music special she did on a different stage ( proscenium stage with a few of her painting behind her ). im sure some , if not most of you , have already seen this wonderful show.  But hey, better late than ever, right? i bought it not knowing what was on it or the length of the show ( saw the box in tower records here in atlanta ...walked directly to the counter ) and was more than pleased with both. here's the quick list for those who haven't seen it :Big Yellow Taxi, Just Like This Train , Night Ride Home , Crazy Cries Of Love , Harry's House , Black Crow ,Amelia , Hejira , Sex Kills , The Magdelene Laundries , Moon At The Window ,Facelift , Why Do Fools Fall In Love? , Trouble Man , Nothing Can Be Done , Song For Sharon , Woodstock , and a cool version of Dreamland over the credits ( which they cut off).     around 99 mins or so....wow!!!         some of my favorite things were when she sang Night Ride Home ( a song i'll always relate to my mother , far away in mexico ) , seeing joni's happy sway back and forth during Crazy Cries Of Love ( she actually did this move many times but this is the first time noticed it and a brought a big smile to my face ) . and i love hearing Black Crow no matter what ! before Ameila joni told the story of hejira ( " running away with honor" ) ... short but sweet and well spoken . heartfelt . and the song Hejira , itself , was so full of emotion ... made me shiver . WDFFIL? was fun to hear and strange to look at ( what with the 3 back up singers sitting down in the audience ) . i happen to love seeing as natural moment as what happened during Song For Sharon ( another big smile moment for me). and , of course Woodstock was inspiring as always ( nash came onstage to present her with her Rock and Roll Hall of Fame award , that marked her induction into the RHOF ).and the closing Dreamland was cool as hell , till they cut it off .       i know this is pretty long winded , but please excuse my excitement . i grew up with joni in my ear and could never ( would never ) shake it out. i've only seen her once ( here in atlanta with bobby d. at georgia tech ...both were amazing by the way ) and am so happy to find out that she's coming back . if any atlanta or folk from the south are planning on going to the show please let me know. id love to meet my friends of soul .     Jess ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #137 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?