From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #127 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, March 4 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 127 Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund," with all donations going directly into the upkeep of the JoniMitchell.com website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds, and it will now be up to Jim to continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Hello [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Julia Fordham (now a little bit of JC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Covers Project Update (LONG but all Joni) [AzeemAK@aol.com] NJC, NJB, Warren Zevon [DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us] Icons NJC [catman ] NJC-Steely Dan story [DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us] Re: Joni's pretty voice [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Covers Project Update (LONG but all Joni) ["rick novosel" ] Sorry for the Triple Post...had problems [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: NJC Ugachaka [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Sorry for the Triple Post...had problems (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Helen's Covers - NJC [john low ] Re: sorry for the triple post...had problems (njc) [john low ] Billboard Magazine's Back Cover of Joni on Ebay [mann@chicagonet.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:32:50 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello In a message dated 03/03/00 00:03:14 GMT Standard Time, Siresorrow@aol.com writes in response to Catgirl: << << Last I heard she doesn't even own a computer. We should chip in and get her a WebTV >> watch this one, girl. i remember maybe two years ago someone started a thread about buying joni a computer and it got ugly quick, and the whole thing turned into a big smelly turd. but the idea is a nice one. pat >> Well, I remember that too, it did get rather out of hand. I would add, though, that until recently I subscribed to the Jill Sobule list, and the same topic came up there - and they went ahead and did it, and she was chuffed to bits! Obviously there are a lot of differences in the circumstances, principally (1) that Jill is nowhere near as wealthy as Joni, and couldn't really afford to buy herself an Imac, which is what they got her (I know Joni isn't as rolling-in-it as many, but I don't think a PC would stretch her resources too far); and (2) Jill was already a PC user and did participate in the list. Still, the fact remains that she was really touched by the gesture - and so was her mum, who also subscribes! So, who knows whether Joni would welcome such a project, but I wouldn't want to prejudge her reaction. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:33:07 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Julia Fordham (now a little bit of JC) I well remember Julia Fordham's very first appearance on telly (on the Wogan show in, I think, 1988), and then appearing on a late night live music thing and being very impressed - and thinking she was pretty darn fanciable too! I don't listen to the first album that much, as I think Porcelain is better and Swept, the third, best of all. "Betrayed" is my favourite song, utterly gorgeous melody and brilliant lyric. It took me loads of listens to get into the fourth album, Falling Forward, but the last time I played it, it finally clicked. As far as Joni comparisons are concerned, any woman who sings her own songs is going to have some cloth-eared critic flinging that old cliche her way, and Julia's voice is very different to Joni's, much deeper for a start. And yet, there are times on Porcelain, when she's singing in her falsetto voice, that I can actually hear a shade of Joni. I think Julia's great compositional talent is in writing melodies that accommodate her huge range without sounding like she's "doing a Mariah", shoehorning the dogwhistle into every song just because she can! I saw her live a few times, in the late 80s and early 90s, and she was always good, although the venues were too big and the band a little bland. I don't have Eastwest, as I've only ever seen it on import for huge sums of money... Oh yes, the Joni content: when I blagged my way into Joni's painting exhibition in London in 1990 or 1991, one of the scattering of celebs I saw was Julia Fordham: my friend and I were observing proceedings, and we both thought that it was the first time the Js had met; they obviously hit it off, cos when Joni and her people left, Julia went with them! So I was most intrigued when Julia's next album had Larry Klein all over it! It had a stellar cast in fact: Steuart Smith (who was Shawn Colvin's lead guitarist, with Larry as bassist, for one of the best shows I've ever seen, but that's another story), Brenda Russell, Vonda Shepard, David Lasley, etc etc. Glad you enjoyed it Kakki - you've made me determined to catch her next time she plays here. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:32:42 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers Project Update (LONG but all Joni) In a message dated 03/03/00 00:59:57 GMT Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Whew! This is gonna be really cool you guys! I'm assuming there's no one else out there who wants to contribute, but if there is, let me know! >> Bob, there's one that I don't see there, and it's a very good one: Mathilde Santing's version of I Had A King. I think I missed the beginning of this thread, so I'm not sure what's supposed to happen; I don't suppose there are that many people who have this track, so let me know if you'd like me to send you a tape of it - or I may be able to get Martin or Rob to put it on a CD if I ask them nicely - I'm sure that would be better, especially as my cassette deck isn't that brilliant. Cheers Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:47:10 -0800 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: NJC, NJB, Warren Zevon Warren is playing San Francisco, Great American Music Hall, March 23 (Thurs). Any one want to meet there? Darice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 23:53:03 +0000 From: catman Subject: Icons NJC I hope someone out there can help me on this. I have a folder with somes icons of Carly in it. So I downloaded an Ican program. Guess what? It tuirns big pictures into little tiny ones, just like those in my Carly Icon folder!!!!!! Whjy do I want tiny pictures of big pictures? I assumed, worngly I gather, that I could use these tiny 'icons' on my desktop, in place of the icons already there. i.e I could turn my Netscape icon into a pic of Joni and when i click on the Joni pic, my netscape would open. If this isn't what i can do, please explain to me why people want programs that change big pics into little pics! If I can do this, please, please, please explain how I get the buggers to do that! thankyou an exasperated colin - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:08:34 -0800 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: NJC-Steely Dan story One of my favorite SD (and internet) stories--- I livedin a small town in Marin County, above San Francisco. There was a beige Mercedes, with vanity plates STLLYDN. I posted to the SD site, a question about the car's owner. I got back an answer---it definitely was owned by one of the two in SD...I wondered if one or both was a partner in the upscale restaurant. \Later I found out that the car belonged to one of the waiters with a SD obsession (were we tipping him too much???) This certainly made me closely question all those "answers" on bulletin boards, etc. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 22:14:58 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's pretty voice In a message dated 3/2/2000 10:38:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: << I think a great deal of this has to do with which entrance you used to get into the world of Joni Mitchell. Those who came in on the ground floor with STAS are usually most fond of the early, effortless soprano -- and have favorites lists quite similar to yours. >> I would like to agree with you on this but can't. I discovered Ladies of the Canyon first and then went backwards and then got into Herjira which I love lots too. I am totally crazy about her much later stuff but since I love her so much and understand how the human voice changes their is not alot I can say about it except I love Joni voice for the most part just the writing has slacked off a little for me. The music is a little different too but her voice is still hers. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 19:23:29 -0800 From: "rick novosel" Subject: Re: Covers Project Update (LONG but all Joni) Bob understandably exalted: > Whew! This is gonna be really cool you guys! I'm assuming there's no one else > out there who wants to contribute, but if there is, let me know! Bob, I didn't see Both Sides Now by Hole from their CD called Pretty As You Feel (I think). Unfortunately I don't own it but I heard it a few years ago and really liked it. Okay, so I'm a 50-year-old closet Hole fan but now I'm out ;-). Anyone else out there who might have access to this? Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 22:32:39 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Ugachaka In a message dated 3/2/2000 12:25:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << Does anyone know the song that comes with Dancing Baby thing? The first four lines are: I can't stop this feeling deep inside of me girl you just don't realise what you do to me I'd like to know who sings this version and if it is available to buy as a whole song. thanks colin >> That is Blue Cheer. Absolutely. I got it on 45 when I was ten years old by BJ Thomas. It was written by Mark James and performed by the band above. The 45 came out on Scepter Records. So after pulling out the old 45's , here are more of the words... after the first verse that Catman got right here are the rest.... When you hold me in your arms so tight You let me know everythings alrigt Chorus:: I'm hooked on a feeling, I'm high on believing that your in love with me Lips are sweet as candy The taste stays on my mind Girl you keep me thirsty for another cup of wine I got it bad for you girl but I don't need a cure I just stay addicted and hope I can endure All the good love , When were all alone you make me feel everythings alright Catgirl np BJ Thomas Hooked on a feeling (with all the scratches) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 22:39:42 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's voice "drop" is not that great In a message dated 3/3/2000 4:57:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, Louis.Lynch@wonderware.com writes: << So don't believe a reviewer who claims that someone's voice drops "an octave or two." The review hasn't done the math. It's very unlikely that any singer's voice could drop two octaves. Regards, Harper Lou >> Thanks for sharing that interesting informaton regarding voice registers. I know that my singing at the age of twenty was much higher then it is today. Joni's voice has not lost the quality at all and the range is obviously a natural thing to lose with age. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 19:41:08 -0800 From: "rick novosel" Subject: Re: Joni's pretty voice Catgirl said that there >is not a lot I can say about it except I love Joni voice for the most part just >the writing has slacked off a little for me. The music is a little different >too but her voice is still hers. I agree totally. Joni could sing her grocery list and I'd still enjoy it because of her voice. But here's something I was pondering today: All of the list commentary on the new BSN has related to her voice, or the music, or the production but because the material is not largely hers (or not new) there is none of the analysis that would normally accompany a new Joni release. This is probably why the list is "slow" despite being in the middle of a new release. (Of course, if you want to see a list that is suffering from a lack of new material, try checking out the Kate Bush list. I joined up a few days ago just to check it out and was amazed at the difference between that one and the JMDL. Almost every post consisted of only one short sentence or sentence fragment, most of them relating to Tori Amos!) Rick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 21:44:28 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Sorry for the Triple Post...had problems Sorry for my triple post.............. from my end it looked like it never went thru (and a copy was never in my sent box either) so I tried sending it again and again..........then my computer crashed so I rewrote thinking it never went thru....... unaware that it had. OOPS! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 22:58:40 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Ugachaka In a message dated 3/3/2000 10:47:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, rnsc@direct.ca writes: << Sorry, Catgirl > That is Blue Cheer. Absolutely. Nothing is absolute in this world: It's actually Blue Swede. Rick Well I thought my music husband knew what the hell he was talking about...well thanks for clearing that up... Cat... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 23:29:10 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Sorry for the Triple Post...had problems (NJC) Laura the sweetheart who saves us money wrote: << Sorry for my triple post............ >> That's ok Laura, I found a coupon for MPA (multi posters anonymous). You get $10 off for each post. Our dear John Lowe in Sydney, Australia saved $1830. last august for his multiple post. :~) just kidding Laura and John. You know I love you both! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:12:19 +1000 From: john low Subject: Re: Helen's Covers - NJC Hi Hell, I'm glad you're "feeling extremely chipper" this morning. And, yes, congratulations on the 5 nil America's Cup win over Italy and the fine win against the Australian cricketers yesterday. But, hey, in regard to the One-Day cricket series, aren't we just leaving a wee bit out of the story? Like the fact that the series consisted of 6 matches, 4 of which were won comprehensively by the Aussies and one abandoned because of the weather! Aussies 4, Kiwis 1. You are naughty Helen! :-) Anyway, enjoy your celebrations. I have to admit that when it comes to Australia vs NZ, because my Dad was a Kiwi, I've always felt considerable divided loyalties. I was cheering for them yesterday too! It should be a good Test series coming up in the next month. Sorry to American JMDLERs to whom all this cricket talk will mean nothing. They don't know what they're missing out on, do they Hell? Cheers, John (in Sydney). __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:16:32 +1000 From: john low Subject: Re: sorry for the triple post...had problems (njc) Jimmy, you are a joker!! In my mind I'd already started to spend the cash - then I got to the "just kidding" bit! :-( John (in Sydney) Original message from: FMYFL@aol.com > >Laura the sweetheart who saves us money wrote: > ><< Sorry for my triple post............ >> > >That's ok Laura, >I found a coupon for MPA (multi posters anonymous). You get $10 off for each >post. Our dear John Lowe in Sydney, Australia saved $1830. last august for >his multiple post. :~) just kidding Laura and John. You know I love you >both! > >Jimmy > __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 21:48:08 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Rosie Vela NJC KJHSF@aol.com wrote: > > By the way, does anyone have info about Joni's background vocals with Rosie Vela on a Don Henley tune from "The Color of Money". I am a Fan of Vela's,and read that she had worked with joni on that tune. Also, Steely Dan fans > should check out "Zazu", Vela's album from 1987 where Becker and Fagen comprise her band along with several other great players. Ken-"Zazu" is a great album. Don't expect to hear anything recognizable on the Henley song, though. You should check http://rosievela.com BTW I just caught Steely Dan on Letterman--smmooooth!!! RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 01:04:45 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Billboard Magazine's Back Cover of Joni on Ebay The March 4th issue of Billboard Magazine that Randy found had a picture of Joni on it's back cover is already on eBay! Here's the item number: 274820500 if you want to take a look at the picture. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=274820500 Billboard sells in the US for $5.95 Canada $6.95 UK 4.95 Japan Y2,500 (according to the front cover) Laura ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #127 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?