From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #122 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 29 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 122 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Sometimes I'm Happy [pmeyer ] BSN and a New Conversion #123876 (SJC) ["Ross, Les" ] Re: Rainbow's Rambling NJC [Marian ] Re: Catgirl joins band NJC [Marian ] Re: Rainbow's Rambling NJC [catman ] metaphysical speculation: NJC [RainbowCrystal@webtv.net] Re: Catgirl joins band SJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Joni in The Times ["Robertson, David C" ] FW: Joni in The Times ["Ross, Les" ] Re: The Pretenders & Chrissy Hynde ["cassy" ] Re: Catgirl joins band NJC ["Loren Carter" ] London Times Magazine? [James Leahy ] Re: The Pretenders & Chrissy Hynde NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Catgirl joins band NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: BSN / A Case Of You [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Catgirl joins band SJC [Louis Lynch ] Re: Catgirl joins band SJC [Don Rowe ] Re: Rainbow's Rambling NJC [Marian ] Re: Catgirl joins band JC [Susan McNamara ] More of a whimper than a bang [M.D.Quinn@shu.ac.uk (Mike QUINN\(CMS\))] Re: Benefit for David Wilson!!!( NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: metaphysical speculation: NJC [catman ] Re : Rainbow's Rambling NJC.. A bit long too. [Martin Giles ] BSN in my hands... ["Alison Einerson" ] Saturday Times ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Catgirl joins band NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Folk Music (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] NJC: Happy Leap Year's Day! [Kate Tarasenko ] Scanning the Century [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Catgirl joins band NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: metaphysical speculation: NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:06:31 -0800 From: pmeyer Subject: Sometimes I'm Happy I was listening, for the 23rd time, to BSN on my headphones, and heard, or imagined, background voices on Sometimes I'm Happy. They are audible on headphones, on the right channel, about a minute and a half into the song. It sounds like something picked up from a guitar pickup. Does anybody else hear (or imagine they hear) this? Is this purposeful, if real? (CD Now finally came through and send a new unscratched CD and a new box. Delightful to hear A Case of You finally. ) Thanks. paul m (in Oregon) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:59:41 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: BSN and a New Conversion #123876 (SJC) On the weekend of Wally's rememberance I drove to my sister's new home in the north of England to help with decorating and fixing stuff. She has two teenage kids and to help smooth over their discontent at moving away from their friends I offered to strip and redecorate their rooms and fix them up. They're good kids and were grateful and appreciative. While I was there and painting the rooms I was playing a recording onto tape of BSN. Made the day go by rather well. I was returning to London in the car on the sunday night and found that I'd left the tape behind and this cheesed me off a little but what the hell, I could always make up another one. I returned to my sister's house the following weekend to hear her 14 year old son humming 'Sometimes I'm happy' while he slunked, in the way that only 14 year old boys can, on the computer. Called up to my 18 year old neice's bedroom she sat me on the bed and said, 'you've got to listen to this', whereupon she played back to me 'A Case of you' from the BSN tape I'd left behind. 'Listen to the words!' I was instructed. 'But Kirsty, this is my tape! I know all the words!' She wasn't listening to me she was focusing on the playback and scowling at me for interrupting the music. When it was done she went on about how right the lyrics were and how she completely got what the singer was trying to say etc etc. Rather than bang on about how important to me they were/are and detracting from the moment of connection she was so clearly experiencing I offered to make her up a tape compilation of other of JMs works and send it up. 'Oh Yes, that would be great!' Ahh to be discovering Joni Mitchell again for the first time. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:29:14 +0100 From: Marian Subject: Re: Rainbow's Rambling NJC I really appreciated your post, colin. I agree that we are not meant to physically live forever, but I had never paired the philosophy that we *are* meant to live forever with the ego trying to preserve itself. That is a very helpful association indeed. I get really angry with philosophies that blame the victim - that judge a person's goodness or lack of it based on tragic/unavoidable/inevitable events in their lives. I feel so sorry for your friend who died feeling like she was a failure for having cancer. And I feel very sorry for the many other people who have felt/do feel that way because they accepted ideas which imply that if they just live/think the right way nothing bad will ever happen to them. To a great extent, we really cannot control what happens to us - we cannot prevent the broadside accidents. We can only control our reaction to what happens to us. I see the world as a place for our spirits to experience and to react - the experiences are opportunities to love or not, to be kind or not, to be gentle or not, to forgive or not, to judge or not, to believe the best or not, to smile or not, to help or not, to give or not. Marian Vienna colin wrote: > I think there is a lot of truth in what you have written, have come across > this many times, and take some of it on board. However, to go from this to > saying that if we lived right we would not get sick, age or die, I think is > wrong. We are spirit first and last and we will return to a state of being > just spirit and in order for that to happen we will physically die. I don't > believe we are meant to physically live forever. I believe it is the ego > that grasps on to this belief in this way. 'if I do all the right things, > fill myself with light, I can control my body and hence I will not die' So > the ego is at it again-fighting off what it fears.a few years ago a friend > of mine, who followed this way of thinking, got sick with cancer. she died > feeling ashamed and guilty and believing she had done something wrong, that > she wasn't good enough because this belief system and the various gurus and > books that support such thinking, led her to believe that if only she could > get it right, she would beat her cancer. She got got cancer and died. > Nothing she could have done and she didn't not cause it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:37:09 +0100 From: Marian Subject: Re: Catgirl joins band NJC CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: > I have been so busy lately. First going to CA and > now joining a band. YES, Me finally!! I am so > happy someone pinch me!!! Eric and I both are joining > the band. He will play bass, guitar and sing and I will > play guitar and sing. AND we will be doing some four > part harmony. So all I can say is...you guessed it... > Whoo-Hooo!! Way to go, Cat! I'm so happy for you!!! I'm sure it will be a lot of fun. I really like the name "Thin Ice". Best wishes! Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:33:07 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Rainbow's Rambling NJC > > > To a great extent, we really cannot control what happens to us - we cannot prevent the broadside accidents. We can only control our reaction to > what happens to us. I see the world as a place for our spirits to experience and to react - the experiences are opportunities to love or not, to > be kind or not, to be gentle or not, to forgive or not, to judge or not, to believe the best or not, to smile or not, to help or not, to give or > not. That is generally what I think. I grew up believing nothing bad happens to good people. Hence, I felt like I was bad person. This is a very common belief. I have soince learned that it is how I handle what happens that counts. Much of what we experience can be caused by ourselves. An example-I was friends with someone who I didn't trust and, tho i wouldn't admit to myself, didn't like. I felt guilty for distrusting and disliking. I learned to my cost that i could have followed my feelings about them. the amount of times I have made that mistake! Hopefully, not again! I prefer to think well of people but have taken it too far and ignored the obvious.Now i listen to my gut. we have had several companies aroudn to quote for fencing of our garden. I chose a man who I liked and felt I could trust. last saturday, at the dog show, I got talking to a couple. It turns out the man i chose to do the work is the same man they get to do all their work and they say he is honest and reliable. Phew! we had the garden cleared too by someone else. After having quotes that were sky high from people who thought I was born yesterday. Saying NO is getting easier! Back to the point-my thinking has brought me to the possibility that we existed before we were born., that we choose to be born into the physical.(the Bible says God knew us before we born, tho I didn't have that in mind when i thought this thru). I came to this thought because I was thinking about free will and how children really don't have free will. They don't ask to be born nor do they have any say in how they are treated. For a long time I could not understand how 'God' could have let what happened to me as a child happen, where was She/He? In order to have free will even then, I came to the conclusion that we must have some say about being born. I do not believe we choose what happens to us but the circumstances that we are born into and we take it from there. (if what happens to us is preordained, then child abusers, murderers etc are merely carrying out Gods plan which is of course ludicrous to say the least). As adults we can choose what we think and believe. And the descions we make affect our lives. Our lives are the result of the way we think and believe. Not to say that we think orselves intp disease etc. No, but how we react to it will depend on what we believe and think. if we get cancer, and hold a belief that it is a ounishemnt, as many people do, we will suffer far more than if we think of it as a nasty disease that we happen to have developed. Generally, if we think people mainly cannot be trusted we will not be very happy. If we believe that people who do not think as we do are less than us, we will suffer the consequences. Religious wars are a good example, they still go on. Look at the misery caused by religious fundies. they make the huge mistake of thinking that their idea is the right one and is Absolute Truth to boot. they think themsleves above others, that they have a direct line to Truth. Silly but there it is. They seem unable to understand the process of thinking and that they are only constructing ideas from their own inner Truth. Not the same thing at all. So called New Age thinkers do the exact same thing. Not all obviously, the same as not all religionists, but the New Agers have their fundies too. I do not pretend to think that my ideas are Truth. I only know what seems to work in my thinking by how I experience life. the happeir I am the more likely it is I am thinking along the right lines. I guess my thinking is inclusive rather than exclusive. I don't believe those that think differently are destined to Hell. I guess one can judge the thoughts by the fruit they bare. Of course, those fundies of all persuasions will say they are happy and in their self righteousness they are but at the expense of others. So that is exclusive thinking, not inclusive. When i think back to my experineces growing up with such people, I now see very clearly(this includes the fundies I still know) that their beliefs are based on fear, not on love. I am using the term fundie here to include those of a religioous persuasion as well as those of the New Age variety. It is of course very easy to dimiss people and their sufferings by saying, well it is their fault, they think so it is. Too many people do that. It is far easier than having compassion and trying to show that there is another of thinking. a friend of mine, Janice, is very wrapped up in her religion. She talks about it non stop, cannot talk about anything else. Her husband does not sahre her mania and they are experiencing much discord. To the point that he is ready to leave her but is waiting fo the children to grow up. Myself and others see this as a sad sitiuation brought about my Janice's obssession and evangelising. Janice sees the discord in her marriage and other relationships as Satan trying to take her away from the Truth. she even goes as far as refusing to accept any illness in her children or injury. They are not the wrok of satan and if she believes strongly enough, they will disappear. The whole situation is very sad. Janice is a lovely person but she has a problem-an obession much the same as any other. Her life is falling apart yet because of her beliefs she passes all responsibilty for that onto 'Satan'. as a result, she is beyond help, for now and her family continue to suffer. She is not unique and such people are not confined to specific religons or belif systems. The obsession can take hold no matter what the beleif system. > > > Marian > Vienna > > colin wrote: > > > I think there is a lot of truth in what you have written, have come across > > this many times, and take some of it on board. However, to go from this to > > saying that if we lived right we would not get sick, age or die, I think is > > wrong. We are spirit first and last and we will return to a state of being > > just spirit and in order for that to happen we will physically die. I don't > > believe we are meant to physically live forever. I believe it is the ego > > that grasps on to this belief in this way. 'if I do all the right things, > > fill myself with light, I can control my body and hence I will not die' So > > the ego is at it again-fighting off what it fears.a few years ago a friend > > of mine, who followed this way of thinking, got sick with cancer. she died > > feeling ashamed and guilty and believing she had done something wrong, that > > she wasn't good enough because this belief system and the various gurus and > > books that support such thinking, led her to believe that if only she could > > get it right, she would beat her cancer. She got got cancer and died. > > Nothing she could have done and she didn't not cause it. - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:29:39 -1000 (HST) From: RainbowCrystal@webtv.net Subject: metaphysical speculation: NJC I would just like to clarify that I don't believe in keeping these physical bodies forever, but I believe there is a way to get to the "next dimension", or whatewver you want to call it without going thru physical death. Whether I prove it or not remains to be seen. It's not a fear of death or attachment to the ego that leads me to believe this--in my search for truth and meaning in life it just makes sense to me. I am not trying to push my beliefs on anyone, or make anyone else wrong--just sharing a perspective that some of you may find interesting. I've been plenty "victimized" in this life but I still believe at some level that I created my experience. I had a vivid past life memory once where I was a hurt, resentful single mother. In this life I was raised by a resentful single mother. Maybe I was a "victim" in that life and in this one too, But I have grown to have compassion for the parents and the kids, and have chosen not to have children until I can share "The Garden" with them. In the meantime I am still human and can relate to Joni's whining and complaining--I've been the same way and have been criticized for it too. I am thankful for the people who love me the way I am. I notice if I get centered in the morning by writing, yoga and meditating, I am less likely to have a "broadside accident" When I take the time to clear the way with prayer, it helps me to be more conscious. When I plunge into my day with no inner preparation, I am more likely to lose things or trip or break things. Again, these are things that any individual can prove to him/herself. Anyway, I apologize if I offended anyone. I don't mean to be preachy; just sharing Rainbow's late nite rambling ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:11:37 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Catgirl joins band SJC Catgirl writes: << Eric and I both are joining the band. He will play bass, guitar and sing and I will play guitar and sing. AND we will be doing some four part harmony. So all I can say is...you guessed it...Whoo-Hooo!! That's wonderful Catgirl! Congratulations to both You and Eric Now for the Joni Content......I plan on doing Big Yellow Taxi and Coyote BOTH in the correct tuning. I am also thinking of Freeman in Paris and Raised on Robbery. any other suggestions please feel free to share and if anyone can come up with a name for the band that would be cool too. We are currently called Thin Ice but things could change! >> I liked the way you sang "You Turn Me On" in the Jonifest boxset. As for the band name, Marian is right - Thin Ice is a good name for a band unless you want to call it The Whooo-Hooo's :-) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:18:27 -0000 From: "Robertson, David C" Subject: Joni in The Times I phoned up the Times to get a copy of the Saturday Joni issue. It will cost £6 GBP, which is a tad excessive. I went to the local library and read their copy. It is a fabulous article and worth having for the photographs of Joni posing in the Belle Air hotel. David Robertson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:40:12 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: FW: Joni in The Times I wonder if we could do the naughty thing and get it all scanned up and put on the Homepage. I'm waiting to get a copy from the 'Remember When' company and wouldn't mind preparing the images. This offer applies to anyone out there who may want to take a look off list. If heaps of you do want to take a look, bear with me, I will respond to all. Les (London) - -----Original Message----- From: Robertson, David C [mailto:RobertsonDC@logica.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 12:18 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni in The Times I phoned up the Times to get a copy of the Saturday Joni issue. It will cost £6 GBP, which is a tad excessive. I went to the local library and read their copy. It is a fabulous article and worth having for the photographs of Joni posing in the Belle Air hotel. David Robertson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:59:33 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: The Pretenders & Chrissy Hynde Could you please use NJC in the subject line when there is nothing in your mail that has anything to do with Joni? Thank you, it's appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:03:06 -0500 From: "Loren Carter" Subject: Re: Catgirl joins band NJC Catgirl, When you all have some play dates and locations, please let us know. If you are down here in the DC area I'd be interested to come, listen, and support the band, so that I could proclaim to all my friends..."I knew them when...." Loren..... Marian on 02/29/2000 04:37:09 AM Please respond to Marian To: CaTGirl627@aol.com, Joni List cc: (bcc: Loren Carter/Maryland/United_States/Sylvan Learning Systems/US) Subject: Re: Catgirl joins band NJC CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: > I have been so busy lately. First going to CA and > now joining a band. YES, Me finally!! I am so > happy someone pinch me!!! Eric and I both are joining > the band. He will play bass, guitar and sing and I will > play guitar and sing. AND we will be doing some four > part harmony. So all I can say is...you guessed it... > Whoo-Hooo!! Way to go, Cat! I'm so happy for you!!! I'm sure it will be a lot of fun. I really like the name "Thin Ice". Best wishes! Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:07:12 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: London Times Magazine? I checked out the newstands to find the London Times magazine article referred to on this list. The Sunday Times for Feb. 27 that I found included a magazine, but there was no mention of Joni. (I forget who was on the cover - some guys dressed in black I think.) I tried the Saturday Times as well, but it contained only a couple of entertainment (TV) guides. Can someone confirm the actual date of this magazine? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:09:42 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Pretenders & Chrissy Hynde NJC <> A little synchro on this one, Jim! I just got through spinning Isle of View and am now enjoying "Last of The Independents", also an excellent disc! Bob NP: "Love Colours" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:19:28 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Catgirl joins band NJC <> Congratulations, Catgirl! Although I AM sad that you're gonna be in lurk mode now... :~( Are you looking for any potential groupies? :~D Bob, checking the bookings at The Handlebar for "Thin Ice"! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:21:58 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN / A Case Of You <> Jody, pray tell what is this version on? I don't think I've heard it...you have secret Joni and you don't tell your Pally? :~D Bob NP: Prince, "Le Grind" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 06:27:20 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Catgirl joins band SJC Catgirl, I like Jimmy's band name better. Definitely go with the Whooo-Hooo's! Now THAT is a band name to be reckoned with! In fact, "Catgirl and the Whooo-Hooo's" sounds even better! Congratulations and break a leg! Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 06:39:04 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Catgirl joins band SJC - --- CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: >I am also thinking of (doing) Freeman in Paris ... I always knew you were a 'rock chick'! And thanks for the heads up -- I had no idea Joni's song was about Morgan Freeman ... so what's the name of the band -- "Driving Miss Mitchell"? "Kiss the Jonis"? "The Mingus Redemption"? Inquiring minds want to know! ;-) Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:40:25 +0100 From: Marian Subject: Re: Rainbow's Rambling NJC catman wrote: >Marian wrote: >>To a great extent, we really cannot control what happens to us - >>we cannot prevent the broadside accidents. We can only control >>how we behave and how we react to what we experience. >>I see the world as a place for our spirits to experience and to react - >>the experiences are opportunities to love or not, to be kind or not, to >> be gentle or not, to forgive or not, to judge or not, to believe the best >>or not, to smile or not, to help or not, to give or not. > Much of what we experience can be caused by ourselves. An example-I was friends with someone who I didn't trust and, tho i wouldn't admit to myself, > didn't like. I felt guilty for distrusting and disliking. I learned to my cost that i could have followed my feelings about them. the amount of times I > have made that mistake! Hopefully, not again! I prefer to think well of people but have taken it too far and ignored the obvious. I'm glad you brought this up, colin. It is important to have a right balance between being a positive force in the world and not letting yourself be taken advantage of. I find it very hard to always get the right balance. As I've gotten older, I tend to err on the side of being too defensive rather than too trusting and I don't always like the results of that stance. I would be interested in hearing from other people about this issue. > Now i listen to my gut. This is always good advice. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:51:51 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Catgirl joins band JC CatGirl said: >I am also thinking of Freeman in Paris and Raised on >Robbery. any other suggestions please feel free to share Congratulations on joining the band! In my opinion, a rocking version of Black Crow will always bring the house down. But that's just my opinion! Try Mark's tab of it on the guitar page. www.jmdl.com/guitar/ Sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:52:38 +0000 From: M.D.Quinn@shu.ac.uk (Mike QUINN\(CMS\)) Subject: More of a whimper than a bang Date: Monday 28 Feb Place: Sheffield, UK BSN in the shops today...hooray! I can't wait to get my copy. Off to record store number 1. Huge Joni posters covering the windows, BSN playing full volume, A Case of You at the listening posts, hundreds of smoking Jonis staring from the new release shelves. BSN hits the UK with a bang! Yes I fantasise. The reality? I enter the store, barely glancing at the huge Oasis posters covering the windows, while their new album blasts out the speakers. No Joni posters on the wall, not even a teeny weeny lithograph to be seen. Its not that a lack of promotion is new for Joni's records but after all the great reviews... I'm an optimist you see. Heading for the new releases section, I push past two assistants as they finish some huge pyramid construction made from hundreds of Oasis CDs. It looks as if only one CD was released today, but wait I find a little bit of Air and one or two Eels have wriggled in. No Apple (F) and no Joni. No luck at the Recommended section either. I steer myself towards the Joni section (I could find it in the dark) to be confronted by her face staring back. But its the wrong Joni, she's not smoking and looks to be in her twenties with her head in the clouds. I never liked that shop anyway, so off I go to their competitor, record store number 2. New releases section: No luck Recommended section: No luck I arrive at the Joni section. Joni stares back but its the wrong one again. This Joni has an eighties perm and some wild horses behind. In record store number 3, I don't even bother looking at the new release or recommended sections. I home in on Joni's section and I am delighted to find a special division created for BSN. There's only one problem, there are no CDs. Fleetingly I think they've sold out but reality returns as quickly. Crestfallen I retreat for the day. Date: Tuesday 29 Feb Today I tackle the stores in reverse order( don't ask why!) Store 3 (Virgin Megastore) has no copies, says that none of its UK branches have copies, can't say when they will! Store 2 still has that special section for BSN, but still no copies! Can't be bothered to queue and ask. Store 1 (the one I never liked) Joni stares back from her section and it is the right one this time. She's smoking and I can clearly see that heart on her sleeve. It looks wonderful. There are two copies. So much for big sales! So I have my copy at last and the twist? I've promised not to play it until my birthday on Sunday (its a present you see). Roll on Sunday, I just hope the CD doesn't skip! Mike PS Hope there's more promotion for the US release! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:25:40 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Benefit for David Wilson!!!( NJC) Victor writes; >I believe that medical > costs will reach somewhere > close to 200 thousand dollars. We have raised a few > thousand already but > need to raise much more. I'm probably going to start something I may not be able to handle here, but I am absolutely thunderstruck at the fact that, this is life-saving surgery, it's not cosmetic surgery - and the guy has to come up with this kind of cash on his own??? Holy jeez, maybe it's just my socialist Canadian background, and I know we're not perfect and yeah, the rich DO get faster service than the poor here too, especially if you're an athlete (but that's a story for another time). NO ONE should have to pay their own way for this kind of thing. Like the guy needs this kind of worry on top of his medical condition, over which he has absolutely no control? I'm appalled. At least he's got the connections and friends to get something going to raise the cash, but what about people who don't know anyone, or who don't want to "make a fuss?" God help us when the almighty dollar takes precedence over a human life - well, wait a minute, I guess it always has. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca (the former cateri@hotmail.com) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:14:37 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Folk Music (NJC) My buddy Clark wrote: >"Peter, Paul and Mary, >Woody Guthrie and the Weavers -- that's folk music," I said Well....about every three months there is a vicious debate over on the FOLKDJ list about "what is folk music", and I don't want to start that here. But having just returned from this year's Folk Alliance conference in Cleveland, and after being once again blown away by the wonderful diversity of talent that associates itself with the "f" word, all I can say is, there is a LOT more to folk music than those three acts, worthy as they are. Best, ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 17:11:54 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: metaphysical speculation: NJC RainbowCrystal@webtv.net wrote: > I would just like to clarify that I don't believe in keeping these > physical bodies forever, but I believe there is a way to get to the > "next dimension", or whatewver you want to call it > without going thru physical death. Whether I prove it or not remains to > be seen. It's not a > fear of death or attachment to the ego that leads me to believe this--in > my search for truth and meaning in life it just makes sense to me. And that makes sense to me also. yes, I believe we can reach that dimension in the here and now. > I am not trying to push my beliefs on anyone, or make anyone else > wrong--just sharing a perspective that some of you may find interesting. I didn't think for a oment that you were. i am sure you didn't offend anyone. My response was the thoughts you mail brought up. I pretty much agree with the rest of this mail too.(Tho I have no set belief in past lives).bw colin > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:29:36 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: CDNOW & BSN From: mann@chicagonet.net Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 02:45:17 -0600 Vince, I had the same concerns and wrote CDNow about them................I didn't want to keep ordering over and over and paying shipping charges. I even asked them to open the box before they sent me another copy to make sure it was okay. I got great customer service help over there..........and got a response on Saturday night and a follow-up on Sunday night! ~~~~~See the letters below~~~~~~~~ They sent me a pre-addressed, postage paid label for my 'damaged' boxset and two days later I received another BSN box-set. Altho, the CD was scratched it played fine on the computer and our DVD player. The first one I got looked perfect (no scratches) just a dig or two..........but it 'skipped' almost the entire 5th song. Also, I got all 4 Lithographs this time.......the first BSN I only received 3 of them........no french kiss! I'm keeping this one. Anyways, CDnow was great about returning it........not used to getting such great customized and responsive customer service attention ......and they sent a replacement immediately .....as I still haven't sent the damaged one back yet. Laura **CDNOW's response below** Saturday night's response ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I received your email; however, before I can get back to you with a definite answer I am going to have to do some further investigating. I apologize that you will have to wait a little extra, but I assure you that I will have an answer soon. Thanks for your patience in this matter. I would be more than happy to send you a merchandise return label for the defective item, but would first like to collaborate with the warehouse regarding the condition of the in-stock copies of the item, MITCHELL*JONI, BOTH SIDES NOW. Laura, we understand that a safe shopping experience is vital to our customers; that is why we have a 30 day Unconditional Money-Back Guarantee, which I am including below: "We guarantee your satisfaction with all CDNOW merchandise. You may return any item within 30 days of delivery for a full refund of the purchase price (minus shipping and handling charges)." 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Please visit our Contact CDNOW page (http://www.cdnow.com/service) for instructions. If an item in your order is damaged or defective and you need to request a replacement, you will not be charged any additional shipping or handling fees for replacement shipments. In your online Order History, located within My CDNOW, any item that has been processed as a return will be marked "Returned." This link will take you directly to your online Order History: http://www.cdnow.com/myorder I sincerely apologize for this inconvenience and thank you so much for your patience. Also Laura, please let me know if I can be of any further assistance to you on this matter or any other. Don't hesitate to contact us again if you have additional requests. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sunday night's follow-up below ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Laura, Thank you for contacting us. Please accept our apologies for the problem with your CDNOW order number ***. I am mailing you a merchandise return label to cover the return shipping charges. Please write your RA Number **** on the outside of the package. Feel free to use the same packaging in which your order was shipped. Also, please include a note in your return package explaining why you are returning your order. In the meantime, I have already processed the replacement for you. The new order number is ****. To check the status of your order online 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, simply go to "My CDNOW," login to your account (if you are not already logged in), and click the "Order History" link. Or, just click or copy/paste the following link into your Web browser: ******** If you have any specific questions regarding this matter, please feel free to email me at manager@cdnow.com or visit our online Help Desk: http://cdnow.com/helpdesk We regret any inconvenience this may have caused, and we hope you'll visit our online store again soon! Vince wrote: As for me, I just got confirmation today from cdnow that they will replace my second scratched cd... I wonder how many time we'll do this until I get an unscratched copy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:27:15 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re : Rainbow's Rambling NJC.. A bit long too. Aloha Rainbow I've not been reading much of the JMDL in recent weeks, partly through lack of time, partly becuase there seems to be a lot of grumpiness about at the moment. I'm sure the content will improve again, it's almost as if we are some sort of collective organism that has mood swings. I was interested in your comment: > I am referring specifically to the mass belief that "death" is > inevitable.... > The common belief that no matter what you do or don't do, your body is > eventually going to die > doesn't make sense to me. I am 43 years "young" and every sign of aging > I can attribute as a direct result of self abuse. As Joni has put it, > "We've got to get ourselves back to the Garden". (*JONI CONTENT!*) The > closer we get to to living Life in Its natural state--in Harmony with > Nature and Spirit, the more we > will outpicture health and beauty. As one who *does* think that 'we are all going do die', I find it intrigueing what you say here. You seem to be saying that the aging process is something that can be avoided through living a 'perfect life' of some kind. A nice idea, but where does that leave animals and plants? By definition are they not in Harmony with Nature? - Are they not living life in it's natural state? To me, aging, death and decay are not just part of life, but a vital, necessary part of it. All living things live off other things that had life, and in turn, become food for others. As gruesome as that can be, I also think that the resulting interconnection of all life is a very beautiful thing. Going off at a tangent to this..... The more I read about biology, the more in awe I am of it's unimagineable complexity. This in turn leads me further down the road that puts humans outside the centre of the universe. There is a series on the TV in the UK at the moment which is apparently (I havn't been able to watch any of it yet), describing the evolution of human beings. I have seen the adverts for it though. The voice-over goes roughly along the lines of, "Throughout time, species after species has struggled in a battle against extinction in the quest to finally become the most incredible animal ever to have lived. *You*!" I find the idea that I am the most incredible animal ever to have lived frankly laughable. (You may too!) Evolution is not a story with humans at it's end. We are not the purpose of evolution. It has no purpose. Hundreds of millions of years have gone by, during which the planet was completely occupied by far more flora and fauna than we'll ever be able to discover the nature of. We have been around for a microscopic amount of time in comparison with life on Earth, and, the way things are going, may well not be around too much longer. We are already becoming the cause of a mass extinction as comprehensive as anything we have found evidence for in the rocks. But time will go on, and the planet will recover, new flora and fauna will evolve and perhaps in ten or twenty million years, another civilisation may start looking at the rocks. Maybe they will find the traces of a mass extinction. I wonder whether they'll be able to figure out it was because of us? I feel the urge to include the words, "In My Humble Opinion" somewhere. I think the point that I'm trying to make is that the human race as a whole needs to learn a lot of humility. Does this make any sense to anyone? atb, Martin. In London. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:37:39 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: "Two Against Nature" -- An NJC Review (SDC) For lack of a better metaphor, the new Steely Dan album sounds like The Yellowjackets Meet Manhattan Transfer. Gone are any remaining concessions to pop and rock which briefly marked the band's earlier work, and certainly the tunes that endure on FM radio. If that makes "Two Against Nature" a jazz album, I think Becker and Fagan wouldn't fight it too hard. It's a direction the duo was obviously heading in the last time we heard from them, and they've kept right on going. Also recognizable is the almost hospital antiseptic purity of the sound. Atmosphere is sacrificed for clarity -- each instrument can be picked out of each mix, and enjoyed for itself. Or the listener can sit back and take in the larger picture of how it all works together. That alone should make "Two Against Nature" stand out immediately -- and wildly different from anything else you'll hear this year. But this album isn't all about production. It's lyrically oblique in places, as you'd suspect. For example, the lead-off cut, what exactly is "the game we call gaslighting abbie"? But there's plenty of more accessible humor and cheek in the words, on the title cut and "cousin dupree" most notably. The playing does not disappoint, and if the arrangements are a little "open" -- often stretching into 6+ minute instrumental treatments -- it's all perfectly satisfying. Only the extended play-out on the disc's final cut seems a little shorthanded -- but in the larger sense, completely forgivable. Highlights: "two against nature", "janie runaway" and "cousin dupree" Grade: A Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:06:27 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Two Against Nature" -- An NJC Review (SDC) <> Thanks for the quick review on the new Dan, Don..er Don, Dan, oh, whatever... I like the lengthy stretchouts they get into, like on 'Countdown to Ecstasy' and 'Aja'. Another new one which also gets into some long stretches and is also very pleasing is the new Cure disc. Reminds me a lot of 'Disintegration', I think the shortest song on the disc is 6 minutes or so, and some go on for over ten minutes, and it never gets dull, imo... 'Preciate the thumbs up on the new stuff! Bob NP: Prince/Artist: "We Gets Up" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:10:59 -0600 From: "Mark T. Domyancich" Subject: Re: Catgirl joins band SJC Great to hear, Deb! I haven't gotten the chance to hear you play, but I imagine you can play whatever you like. Good luck! (Break a string!!!) :-D At 1:03 AM -0500 2/29/00, CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: >Hey Gang, >I have been so busy lately. First going to CA and now joining a band. YES, >Me finally!! I am so happy someone pinch me!!! Eric and I both are joining >the band. He will play bass, guitar and sing and I will play guitar and >sing. AND we will be doing some four part harmony. So all I can say >is...you guessed it...Whoo-Hooo!! - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:33:10 -0700 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: BSN in my hands... well, finally after having it on order forever, i just got my BSN-LE (from CDNOW). i am extremely relieved and happy to report that although the cd was loose inside the case, there are a very few tiny scratches. currently on "you've changed" and no skips so far...crossing my fingers and holding my breath. oh man, is it beautiful. it really takes my breath away. i better get through an entire listen before i get going... ecstasy! alison e. in slc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:40:58 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Saturday Times Hello folks All of you that have requested info regarding the Joni I/V in the Saturday Times 26 Feb 2000, there is a company called 'Remember When' whic deals in back issues. It's probably rather expensive to do so (It cost me 3 pounds to do it locally, I don''t know what international would cost) but they do ship internationally and can be emailed which is: remember.when@virgin.net for information. I don't think they have a website. The pictures are good, and Joni looks beautiful and mature. It's an article about life over 50 so she does look over 50, not some airbrushed angel. Much Joni Jamie Zubairi ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 17:42:47 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Catgirl joins band NJC Our Catgirl, she's a singer in the band! She's a walker in the rain, she's a dancer in the dark... On what album did Joni prophesy this? I am so blue that I can't remember... (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 17:51:17 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Folk Music (NJC) Steve Dulson wrote: > My buddy Clark wrote: > > >"Peter, Paul and Mary, > >Woody Guthrie and the Weavers -- that's folk music," I said > > Well....about every three months there is a vicious debate over > on the FOLKDJ list about "what is folk music", and I don't want > to start that here. But having just returned from this year's > Folk Alliance conference in Cleveland, and after being once again > blown away by the wonderful diversity of talent that associates > itself with the "f" word, all I can say is, there is a LOT more > to folk music than those three acts, worthy as they are. > > Best, > What Steve D. says is so right, folk music is far broader than those three... but those three... wow!!!... if any one of us could remotely touch the abilities of PP&M, the Weavers, or Woody, we'd have way over-acheived... (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 16:10:59 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: NJC: Happy Leap Year's Day! "Leap Year's Day was generally considered an unlucky one in the British Isles, particularly for men, as women were allowed to propose marriage to them on this day and, if spurned, demand a new pair of gloves from the men who refused them without just cause. The Scottish Parliament even passed a law imposing stiff penalties for violations." -- from the Calendar of Forgotten English ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:10:17 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Scanning the Century The UK Independent newspaper has a review of a book called Scanning the Century by Peter Forbes (Penguin books) accompanied by a lovely Joni photograph. It's an Anthology of the last 100 years seen through the eyes of poets including Lennon and McCartney, Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell plus Owen, Auden, Larkin, Heaney and many more. Might be wrth a look Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:19:18 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Catgirl joins band NJC In a message dated 2/29/00 4:37:07 PM US Central Standard Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << On what album did Joni prophesy this? I am so blue that I can't remember... >> Vince, Wasn't it TTT that had the song about the runaway/missing cat? ;~) Bob NP: Steely Dan, "I Got the News" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 17:45:36 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: metaphysical speculation: NJC I notice if I get > centered in the morning by > writing, yoga and meditating, I am less likely to have a "broadside > accident" When I take the time to clear the way with prayer, it helps > me to be more conscious. When I plunge into my day with no inner > preparation, I am more likely to lose things or trip or break things. > Again, these are things that any individual can prove to him/herself. I think there's a lot of truth to what you say here, Rainbow. I recently experienced it myself, first hand. A couple of weeks ago I was going through a very stressful period. My job was driving me nuts, causing tension in my neck & shoulders where I have some arthritis anyway. This was causing me daily pain. Plus the time of year all this was happening is a bad one for me. My job was also in high stress mode 7 years ago in February when I lost the love of my life to AIDS. As a result there were a lot of ugly associations in my head that didn't so much bring the memories back as they did the feelings of stress and anxiety. On top of all that, I learned that a very dear friend of mine in Denver was diagnosed with a rare bone marrow disorder that apparently runs in his family. His brother died of the same thing a couple of years ago before receiving a bone marrow transplant, a transplant that my friend was preparing to be the donor for. Now his other brother, the only genetic match, has also been diagnosed with the same thing. I'm going to fly to Denver in a couple of weeks for a short visit. If any of you have any prayers or healing energy to spare, my dear friend Denny could certainly use them. Anyway, to get back to my point (or rather Rainbow's point), the week before last I was driving home from work and went to change lanes on Highway 99 without looking over my shoulder to check my blind spot. I hit another car. Luckily, neither of us was hurt and the woman driving the other vehicle was very nice. She could see how upset I was and tried to reassure me: 'You know Mark, this (the car) is a material object, you should be grateful you weren't hurt...' etc. Wise words. I took the whole incident to be a wake up call. I firmly believe that if I hadn't been so wired and keyed up, this accident would not have happened. The next day I started trying to adjust my attitude. Instead of dreading going to work I started telling myself every morning that each new day is a gift. I believe it's really made a difference. So I guess what I'm trying to say with all of this rambling is that I agree with Rainbow. If we aren't in a good space, mentally and spiritually, we can be careless and more prone to making mistakes & errors in judgment. I also believe that high stress makes us more susceptible to illness. I do *not*, however, believe that we bring misfortune on ourselves through some fault or moral flaw. Done rambling for now. Mark in Seattle 'sometimes change comes at you/like a broad-side accident...' ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #122 ***************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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