From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #120 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, February 28 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 120 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- I have too!!! [Richard Rice ] I went to Staten Island, Sharon... [Adriano Lucatello ] BSN ["Sue Cameron" ] Re: BSN [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Another fan discovered [Phyliss Ward ] Major Joni Content - Diltz On TLC last night [MP123A321@aol.com] Olive Branches and Grains of Salt [Bounced Message ] Re: Turned away from the list by negative postings... [Bounced Message ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 03:18:31 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: I have too!!! Damn the cig crap. Damn the gay/straight 'I think so it must be so' crap. Why wallow in the mud while there's a world of more noble things to be immersed in? "People live their lives with your music as a soundtrack. I have..." So, so beautiful. At times this universe can be so crystalline, beautiful. Makes me rejoice I am alive. This review affirmed that. - --Having a wonderful time here in the midwest. The weather has been joyful. My head is spining with an evening of moving paint, glazing layers, and modeling form with soft brushes. I'm a lucky guy. I've found my Joy. My Parker is on the way, delayed because Fred Walecki wants Joni to see it first... ONE BIG, WOO HOO!!!! JOHN. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 12:02:04 +0100 From: Adriano Lucatello Subject: I went to Staten Island, Sharon... I went to Staten Island, Sharon to buy myself a mandolin... Oh well, I meant to say I went to Ricordi's (a local record shop here in Trieste, Italy) to buy myself a cd by Carlos Nuñez (Os amores libres-Free loves) which I could not find anywhere else in town... I found it and since the letter N is close to the M, I glanced to see which Joni's cds they had on stock. Last year they deliberately did not get any "Taming the Tiger" ones since they said it wasn't requested... ;-( That's why I decided to always get her cds only from the usual suspects in the States, infact my BSN-LE has been shipped my way by CD NOW last week and should arrive any time next week... But guess what I could see in this noisy, large and too popular store, in an old and sleepy town in Italy??? Joni smoking in front of my face... Yes, the cover of Both Sides Now, not the LE but apparently the normal release, with a normal (and I suppose safer) jewel case... the obvious happened... I will now end up with two copies of the same cd but I could not resist... something like that in THAT shop???!!! So I rushed home with my loot, waited till everyone else in my family had gone away for some afternoon's chores (my daughter is anti-Joni or at least she acts that way) and when all was quite I played it very loud on my stereo... this version was perfect... I made a miniDisk with that and carried that everywhere I went for the rest of the afternoon... and all day I was walking on clouds... passing mentally through all the various stages of a modern love affair... I am again at phase 1... thrilled! I did not find the orchestra at all overwhelming but suited to that kind of standards and the kind of atmosphere Joni wanted to recreate... but I'd rather not speak about music but just listen to it... well, it was a fantastic surprise and I still have to recover from the joy I faced... That's all folks... I just felt I had to tell you that... Adriano NP: BSN-You've changed (trying not get too upset by this sad but beautiful song) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 10:17:55 -0500 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: smoking njc I guess I'm one of those rare people who has never smoked a cigarette. I've just never had any inclination to though I've often been fascinated by the whole cigarette subculture, how people bum cigarettes from each other in particular. It almost seems like a thing of honor or mutual respect, to give someone a cigarette if they ask for one. All through college, most of my friends smoked so I was often in the minority and I never remember being particularly bothered by it. If I remember, we had some sort of rule, if the majority of the table was non smoking, the smokers would move to another table to smoke... Smoke though, is the major reason I can't stay too long in most bar type environments. The smoke just burns my eyes. I've never felt anything more abrasive. It really hurts and I just have to leave. I am glad that so many public establishments have become non-smoking. And many of my friends who smoke don't have a problem at all with stepping outside to get a smoke. A major reason I've never tried smoking is I don't want to damage my voice. Otherwise, I think I might have tried it...it has been so romanticized for years...in The Lord of the Rings with Pippin and Merry smoking the tobacco from the Shire(Longfarthing's best or something) amidst all the ruins of Isengard and thinking so fondly of their homeland, thousands of miles away. Oh, I can completely understand feeling compelled to smoke a drag, and the physical addiction that is underlying. I am glad for that reason, I would never remotely consider trying one. Victor http://www.mindspring.com/~waytoblu/Tangled.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 12:06:41 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: I went to Staten Island, Sharon... In a message dated 2/27/00 5:04:20 AM US Central Standard Time, lucatell@ictp.trieste.it writes: << I did not find the orchestra at all overwhelming but suited to that kind of standards and the kind of atmosphere Joni wanted to recreate... but I'd rather not speak about music but just listen to it... well, it was a fantastic surprise and I still have to recover from the joy I faced... >> This was a wonderful post, Adriano...I could almost feel the joy right alongside you. I'm happy that you found your BSN and have been enjoying it! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 14:46:44 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Turned away from the list by negative postings... In a message dated 2/26/00 7:41:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << Excuse me for wanting to discuss Joni and not your nicotine intake. I *must* have signed up for the wrong list....I will be leaving this one. >> ten bucks says he'll be back. takers? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:25:53 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Joni in The Times Hello all you uk JImdlers. I have just been told that there is a 7 page interview in yesterday's Times. Did anyone see it? Does anyone have a spare copy they would like to sell to me? I have just come back from the tour of Norwich and Bury St Edmunds with The Magic Box and am dead tired. Hopefully everyone is well. All the best Jamie Zoob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:15:05 -0500 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: BSN Wow! I have spent the day catching up on digests #94 to present. Remind me to never get so involved with my life that I forget the list. My copy of Both Sides Now arrived with nary a scratch or glue glob. I opened it and was a bit disappointed by the lithos and song ³cards² at first. Listening to the disc, however, made all of the difference to me. Later I revisited the lithos and decided as many have to group them in a matted setting. Yes, a sleeve would have been nice to hold the lyric cards and lithos, but I am keeping the disc in a separate jewel case, so that problem is solved. The thought of hearing Joni perform these songs live with an orchestra is giving me serious chills. So much to give thanks for. I got the information on the Henry Diltz show on TLC too late for viewing. That¹s one big boo hoo that some lovely lister will dry my eyes over. Do I hear video tape tree? Who was it that mentioned our being so fortunate to be blessed with two new Joni CDs in such a short span of time. Yes, fair lister, you are correct. Our petty little wars pale in the light of Joni¹s gift to us. Lastly, the word tolerance comes to mind. We have all suffered a loss with Wally¹s passing. You would think that we might stop and reflect. Some of the wine has gone bitter, yet most is still so sweet. Sue Cameron NP: Don¹t Go To Strangers ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 18:55:43 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN In a message dated 2/27/00 4:20:51 PM US Central Standard Time, scam1@freeway.net writes: << The thought of hearing Joni perform these songs live with an orchestra is giving me serious chills. So much to give thanks for. >> Amen, Sue! This weekend was full of Joni-related stuff...we had some friends over last night for dinner, and I had BSN in the mix, along with some JT, Miles, and Montreaux. We sipped from a bottle of German wine that Winfried had sent me that I had been saving for a special occassion, and later that night we enjoyed the Kirsch Batons (liquer-filled candies) that Lori in France had sent along. What a wonderful bunch you guys are!! Of course, the BSN went well as dinner music, and I enjoyed it again today as "rainy day" music as I was scrubbing pots & pans with grey skies outside... Bob NP: Nancy Wilson, "Angels" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 16:31:56 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Another fan discovered A friend of mine brought her mother and sister who were visiting from out of town by here last weekend to show them my ceramic work. Her sister walked into our nook and said "you've got Joni Mitchell on your wall!". (I've got the TI and TTT signed lithos framed side by side) Turns out she's a big fan! We couldn't talk much as they were only there for a brief visit but I put the new CD on in the background while they were here as she had heard about it but hadn't bought it yet. Later from her mouth came the words "She's never gotten the recognition she deserves". They're out there, We're not alone huh? I of course told her about the list and just got her email addy today... - -- Phyliss Golden Fig Ceramics http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 19:39:43 EST From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Major Joni Content - Diltz On TLC last night I have to come from the shadows for this. To whomever posted to the list about the Henry Diltz program , thanks you. This was quite a rare treat. Henry's sense of humor about the whole era made this extra enjoyable. Great footage of Joni, Eagles, Jackson Browne,CSNY and others. I believe it was mentioned once on this list that in one of Henry's photos Joni is writing on a tablet during a long car ride next to Graham Nash. When Henry magnified the picture in later years he could read the lyrics to "Willy". Lots of Rock n Roll history and insider info in this show. A bit of the Jim Morrison part was very sad. The show that followed the Diltz program had the most pristine video of Buffalo Springfield performing Mr. Soul I've ever seen! Thanks again for the early warning....a miracle I caught it wading through the smoking posts...yawn. Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:12:33 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Olive Branches and Grains of Salt Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 11:01:54 -0500 From: Matt Jones To everyone involved in the recent Smoking Controversy I offer an apology for my somewhat out of character behavior. Stress has been rather high lately, as I'm working on things for school, trying to plan a junior year piano recital, accompany a play, organize a book of poetry, AND work on my Joni project. Perhaps my nerves were a bit frazzled and reading the smoking conversations filled with what I perceived as attacks on people for being either smokers and non-smokers, blah blah blah...anyway, I am sorry. I acted in haste rather than with my usual calmness. I hope that everyone on the list accepts this olive branch and we can start things anew. I must also admit that I did not know the meaning of "NJC." Now, I will know to use caution and a few grains of salt when reading anything that could possibly react adversely with the tattered nerves of an undergraduate student! Here's to a new beginning! Much Peace and Love Matt Jones ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:13:13 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Turned away from the list by negative postings... From: KJHSF@aol.com Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 16:23:24 EST In reference to MusicMatt's decision to un.sub.scribe, Siresorrow writes: I hope he'll be back. I'll repeat that my dealings with Matthew in order to assist him with his academic thesis on Joni's Music have been a delightful experience. He is a gratious young man, and my correspondence with him has caused me to realize that there is an upcoming young generation of Joni-fans who have this wonderful resource (LOVE TO WALLY) and are turning to it to make connections with other fans. Ten years ago, I was a youngster in Ohio and surrounded by a big silence where Joni's work was concerned. Strike a bell with anyone else? Despite our brief squabble over a misunderstanding yestrday, Kate in CO's suggestion and instructions for Matt to delete NJC or re-subscribe for only Joni content was a good one, and I hope Matthew takes this suggestion in the loving way it was offered. (Thanks to kate, by the way for her to-the-point mac lesson). I'll stand by my statement that this is a lovely collection of souls. Matthew, like myself when I first joined, didn't realize how much the NJC threads can dominate this discussion list. But, that's part of the dual nature of the discussion., some Joni info that comes floating in amongst a beautiful running dialogue. What's beautiful to me about the membership is coming to understand a bit of the nature of the individuals who meet here. Some are friendly, some are cutting...and some of the newbies who are watching it from the wings just may need a little information about just how this all plays out. While we're providing that info and those suggestions to the newbies, it might be nice to take a moment and offer a warm welcome to help temper the charming spirit of some of the "older, jaded players". It's raining again in San Francisco, falling not only from midninght skies, but from skies at any given hour, these days. Ken in SF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:20:32 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Information Age NJC At 07:39 PM 2/27/00 EST, Maurice wrote: >To whomever posted to the list >about the Henry Diltz program , thanks you. >This was quite a rare treat. Agreed...the hour went too quickly! The show provided many insights and some funny moments (like Joni applying a band-aid to Nash's posterior) and I was impressed with the energy Henry Diltz and Gary Burden still bring to their projects. I became a little wistful as Burden talked about how they took such great pains with the concepts and designs of album covers, and how it's difficult to do much with that small CD jewel-case sized booklet nowadays. "In the days before MTV people would stare at the ablum covers for hours," according to Burden, because they were trying to figure out what the music was all about. I remember doing exactly that--studying the cover art just looking for clues about what the musician(s) were trying to convey. I also remember the first time I saw MTV and was feeling overloaded with images...there it was right before the eyes: exactly what the musician was thinking and seeing...and with it went some of the mystery and the room for personal interpretation. As long as I'm waxing nostalgic, for at least 20 years I had only a very limited knowledge of Joni's personal life and philosophies despite owning nearly all her albums; there just weren't that many articles and bits of information that passed by. I collected what I could, but it wasn't much. Now, with the internet and all the great resources, I have read to my heart's content. And it has definitely sharpened my interest and my appreciation for those musicians (especially Joni) I have checked into. But I'm still not sure about MTV. ;-) Scott ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #120 ***************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?