From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #110 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 23 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 110 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Steely Dan (njc) [Deb Messling ] Re: Steely Dan (njc) [Linda Worster ] Re: Steely Dan (njc) [FMYFL@aol.com] Night Of 1000 Stevies (NJC) ["Brian Butterick" ] Re: The Role of Critics! NJC [Jason Maloney ] Re: My Interview With Joni (a Bigger Fiction) [RIKandBRAD@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #75 [Mindy Rose ] Bill's two cents on Negativity NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: The Role of Critics! & a plug for 'Titus' NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Gays and straights and Joni - NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] One down, ?? to go [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Audiophile's Corner; NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:46:40 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Steely Dan (njc) What's the buzz on the new CD? Has anyone heard any cuts? I'm *almost* as excited as I would be for a Joni release! Joni is a Steely Dan fan, as I recall. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:46:03 -0500 From: Linda Worster Subject: Re: Steely Dan (njc) Hey Les- Thanks so much for letting us know about this. I got the message, went directly to the radio and the interview came on 5 minutes later. Great timing! Great to hear those guys again! Linda, another Dan fan At 12:29 PM 02/22/2000 -0700, Les Irvin wrote: >Joniphiles - >Via a post on the Pat Metheny list... Becker and Fagan (Steely Dan) will be >on NPR's "All Things Considered" today. >Les - Steely Dan fan > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:56:54 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Steely Dan (njc) Deb writes: << What's the buzz on the new CD? Has anyone heard any cuts? I'm *almost* as excited as I would be for a Joni release! >> I've only heard the sound clips from CD Now, and it sounds great! I can't wait for Barnes & Noble to open their doors next week. I'll be standing in line. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:20:20 -0500 From: "Brian Butterick" Subject: Night Of 1000 Stevies (NJC) Clark wrote: One rock n' roll diva left out of this discussion is Stevie Nicks who has a considerable gay following of rock n' roll homos. I'm looking forward to the Night of a Thousand Stevies where men from all over Los Angeles will be taking their shawls and capes out of the mothballs to converge for a whirl-a-thon to their favorite diva. - - - Clark (the original rock n' roll homo). - ----- Actually, Night Of A Thousand Stevies was only done once in L.A. It has been an annual event in New York for the last decade, produced by the folks who brought you Jackie 60 at a nightclub called Mother. Anyone interested can go to: http://www.mothernyc.com/stevie/index.html cheers - --hat PS: By the way, we're all HUGE Joni fans at Mother too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 00:28:30 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: The Role of Critics! NJC Hello John, I took heart from these quoted comments...thanks for posting them. It also brings up a point I wanted to add to my earlier thoughts on "critics".... Maybe a lot of critics believe that *they could do better* than the people whose work they get paid to review? I personally think that unless an album or film or book etc is *utterly* beyond any form of worth whatsoever (which is possible, but rare), there is always something to appreciate in it. I agree with whoever said that such an approach does not mean a lack of perspective. Both music and film lend themsleves to easy prey for critics who want to impose their own agendas, preferences and so on. Sometimes that can be wonderfully entertaining and unique, and I freely admit I do not possess such a style. However, I tend to see a product as a whole entity. I may like the song, but not the vocalist. The genre may not traditionally be my favourite, but the song could be above-average. Perhaps only the production is decent. I try not to let my personal tastes blind me to what is quality or impressive work, even if the overall product is not that wonderful or worthy of high praise. The same applies to films....the plot/script may be cliched and/or weak, but perhaps the production qualities or the sound is excellent. Maybe the project has been well-crafted, if undistinguished. You don't have to ignore the faults or downsides, in order to highlight the plus points. I think it is possibly *easier* to review a piece of music than a film, at least in terms of not having to think about *giving the plot away*. I fail to understand how people can enjoy, be thrilled, enchanted, surprised or scared by a film in quite the same way if they know what's going to happen (and when). Of course you *can* still enjoy it, but is it the same? I agree that the emphasis should be on gaining the reader's attention and making them curious about the subject, enough for them to want to either check it out or save themselves disappointment by ignoring it. With music it's not so vital to maintain the mystery, since music is by nature less reliant on quite the same initial impact. Then again, music is better judged on a personal level by actually *hearing* it....all the critics in the world could rave about an album or artists, but if you personally don't *get it*, well...you don't get it... ;o) Just rambling really.... :-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:46:59 EST From: RIKandBRAD@aol.com Subject: Re: My Interview With Joni (a Bigger Fiction) Kakki Wrote: but I can't buy an attitude that makes people feel foolish because they happen to like something that others more boldly vocal have dismissed. So I hope that some of those hiding their light under a bushel will come forward and feel comfortable to express their opinions more often. RikyRacer Responds: Kakki: You were the first person to email me (offlist)with a welcome note when I joined the list a few months ago. You made me feel immediately welcome and I ran home from work that night delighted to tell Brad about my new pals. His reaction? You mean there are people in this world that write about HER? He's not a fan. He leans more to Judy Garland, Oleta Adams, and the other "gay divas." But I digress, that's my next post. Kakki, your warmth and generosity shine through your pearls of prose gifted to us on the list. Please don't go away for even a while. The response to your (hillarious) fictional interview was unfortunate and a clear judgement error. I can't spell well, much less type well, and don't know a damn thing about music like most of you do, and can't send a message to the discussion list without it getting bounced. I now have to leave my work ISP, go to AOL and send from there to avoid Les kickin me off altogether. But, I will post when provoked and Kakki, this provoked me. The list would not shine as bright without Kakki. Please don't go. RikyRacer in Hollywood ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:03:10 -0800 (PST) From: Mindy Rose Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #75 I would like to comment on the post: Viagra, drones, Carol Bayer Sager, gays and straights and Joni. Now I know gay is an all emcompassing word, but I for one am a lesbian fan of Joni's and have been for awhile. I agree with Ross that not all homosexuals like Judy and Bette. Some like Metallica and Judas Priest. Some like Classical and Jazz. IMHO Joni has done alot for the gay community to say that Gay's only like Bette is rather homophobic and ignorant. Music whether it be Joni Mitchell or Van Halen reaches everyone.Gay or straight. - --- onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > > onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, February 22 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 075 > > > > The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at > http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, > original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. > ------- > The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains > interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: Like a beacon [Dflahm@aol.com] > Re: Critics of all expression [catman ] > Re: Viagra, drones, Carol Bayer Sager, gays and straights and Joni ["Ross] > Joni Criticism (SJC) [NathanLaFraneer@aol.com] > Re: Aging Pianists ["Catherine McKay" ] > An observation ... BSNLE vs. Promo??? [Don Rowe ] > BSN-a good copy! [Kevin_E_Licht@email.whirlpool.com] > Fwd: Viagra, drones, Carol Bayer Sager, gays and straights and Joni (SJC) > [NathanLaFraneer@aol.c] > Re: What's a good Carly Simon to buy? ["Catherine McKay" Re: My Interview With Joni (a Bigger Fiction) ["Catherine McKay" Re: Fwd: Viagra, drones, Carol Bayer Sager, gays and straights and Joni > (SJC) [catman Re: My Interview With Joni (a Bigger Fiction) [Don Rowe john kelly [Bounced Message ] > Re: Viagra, drones, Carol Bayer Sager, gays and straights and Joni [KJHSF] > Get BSN for free!!!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] > I made a BSN conversion! [Bounced Message ] > RE: I made a BSN conversion! ["Alan Lorimer" ] > Re: Viagra, drones, Carol Bayer Sager, gays and straights and Joni ["Matt] > OK, that Daily Mail review in full [Jason Maloney Most Likely, a question that has been asked over and over again (SJC) [Na] > Re: Daily Mail review [David Wright ] > Re: OK, that Daily Mail review in full [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] > Re: Most Likely, a question that has been asked over and over again (SJC) > [SCJoniGuy@aol.c] > Re: Public Flogging ["Mark or Travis" ] > Re: I made a BSN conversion! ["Mark or Travis" ] > Re: I made a BSN conversion! [luvart@snet.net] > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 07:47:05 EST > From: Dflahm@aol.com > Subject: Re: Like a beacon > > Like the best beacons, Susan's list enables you to move forward while at the > same time acting as a caution. Thanks DAVID LAHM > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 13:27:00 +0000 > From: catman > Subject: Re: Critics of all expression > > perhaps I have missed some posts or something. I have read what people are > writing > now and I get the imprssion that posts wondering whether or not Joni can pull > off > a standards album or posts about dislikeing TTT are considered mean and > hpercritical. It also seems that Joni's truly sensitive fans do not write to > the > list. Is the new rule that we can only write about about those Joni works we > love? That we cannot express an opinion about her painting that is negative? > The only meaness i noticed was from people who disagreed with those who wrote > anything negative about Joni or her work. I believe it is possible to > disagree > without people getting all humpy about it. > In the 2 1/2 years I habve been here, I have noticed a change of late, not > for the > better. It has become not such a safe place to state an opinion.( iam not > talking > about people coming down on others for racist,sexist, homophobic, remarks-tho > that > needn't be done horribly). > I know when i dared to suggest that maybe Joni wouldn't be able to pull off > the > singing of the standards, I was written to and among other things, was told > 'how > dare I, as poor wally had just died'. Personally, I found that highly > offensive > and sick. > Still this list is by and large a wonderful list, peopled by good and caring > and > sensitive people who sometimes get away with themselves. > bw > colin > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:18:03 -0000 > From: "Ross" > Subject: Re: Viagra, drones, Carol Bayer Sager, gays and straights and Joni > > From: CarltonCT@aol.com > Subject: Viagra, drones, Carol Bayer Sager, gays and straights and > Joni > > their > prominent divas. Gay men don't usually like jazz, rock or folk and > don't > get Joni. The usual gay divas are Judy, Barbra, Liza, Bette, Shirley, > Madonna and a few others. The younger generation still likes > Madonna > but are listening to dance stuff from the new divas like Deborah Cox > and > Crystal Waters. > > > 'Their prominent divas'??? Please! I find this really homophobic. Like > ALL gay men merge into one? They only have a collective opinion? > > 'They don't usually like jazz, rock or folk'?! Well I do! And I know > many others too, heck, one of the most popular gay clubs in London > plays back to back rock music. > > Who the hell are Deborah Cox and Crystal Waters?! Please please don't > sterotype, it is a very dangerous thing to do. My current boyfriend is > a huge Joni fan and my ex is aslo a huge Joni fan so hopefully this > will tell you that your sexuality has absoultely nothing to do with > your taste in music. God, what century are we in?! > > Ross > GAY Joni Fan (*Last* time the word 'gay' will be inserted) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:14:53 EST > From: NathanLaFraneer@aol.com > Subject: Joni Criticism (SJC) > > On the subject of criticizing Joni ... why must we mince words? Unless she is > > God(dess) she has been bound to make a few missteps along the way. I mean, I > > am a huge fan of Alfred Hitchcock films, and really love him, but I know that > > even he made some real stinkers along the way (Marnie, Family Plot...bleccch) > > And I like reading Jane Austen, but really...she was over extending herself > when she wrote Mansfield park (too many characters, too little humor). Is > Joni to stand over and abover everybody else just because she's... well, > Joni? Nah. Of course, I am not saying make it a field day on her (Lord > knows, enough Joni detractors do that ... especially my friends who roll > their eyes whenever I mention her name,...yet have they even TRIED to listen > to her? NO! But I digress...) > > As for a lot of the criticism of her new album, I have yet to hear it. > However, I have been steeling myself for it. I am also thinking how since > 1982 all her albums have been really spaced apart, and that for this one to > follow TTT so closely is a pretty cool thing. Therefore, I am going to > consider this new album a "gift." I mean, we COULD have waited another three > > or four years for it ... but only 1.5 years after her last effort, at this > late stage of her career? We are lucky. :) > > Anyhow, have a good day all > Ed > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:07:22 GMT > From: "Catherine McKay" > Subject: Re: Aging Pianists > > Jim writes: > "I think the only thing to degrade Joni's keyboard playing would be those > damned paintbrushes in her hands! :)" > > Well, I guess someone's just gonna have to rip them from her bleeding hands! > (Anyway, she doesn't need any MORE paint on her piano!) > > > Catherine (in Toronto) > cateri@hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:13:09 -0800 (PST) > From: Don Rowe > Subject: An observation ... BSNLE vs. Promo??? > > While many of us have been gnashing our teeth and > spitting "venom" at Reprise over defective BSNLE ... > has it struck anyone that not a single review (many > have been posted)has mentioned a CD that skips? Now > this is *pure* speculation on my part -- but I imagine > that Reprise sent out promo copies for review -- and > they seem fine. So my question to Reprise, to use the > ad lingo catch-phrase of the day is: > > WHAA-SUUUUUUP? > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:55:57 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Bill's two cents on Negativity NJC If the rest of the world will pardon me for my American perspective for a minute, I'd like to tell you about President Clinton's comments to film critic Roger Ebert recently. Bill said that the greatest challenge facing mankind in his opinion, is to overcome the fear of the Other. He said that we all need to continue to have pride in our respective ethnicity, nationality, sports teams, what have you, without losing respect for the Others. Further, Bill said that we should _celebrate each others differences_. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:18:00 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: The Role of Critics! & a plug for 'Titus' NJC > > The same applies to films....the plot/script may be cliched and/or weak, > but perhaps the production qualities or the sound is excellent. Maybe the > project has been well-crafted, if undistinguished. You don't have to > ignore the faults or downsides, in order to highlight the plus points. Has anyone ever had the experience of seeing a movie that you know is well-written, well-acted, well-directed, has a beautiful production and visual style....but you just don't like it? I felt that way about 'The Piano.' Very well done & Holly Hunter deserved that Oscar and Jane Campion is obviously a first-rate director but I just hated that movie. I kinda feel the same way about Steely Dan (ducking & running for cover) but in their case I just don't get a sense of any real substance underneath all the gloss. Same with Elvis Costello. But now I'm rambling. > > I think it is possibly *easier* to review a piece of music than a film, at > least in terms of not having to think about *giving the plot away*. It has been done in the past. Remember 'The Crying Game?' With the androgynous name, Jaye Davidson, critics mentioned the quality of that performance but as far as I know never gave away the big 'plot twist' in the first run of that movie. 'Vertigo' is another one. Most reviews of that film don't go past a certain point in explaining what it's about as it would totally ruin the movie by doing so. If any of you get the chance to see it, I highly recommend the film 'Titus.' It was directed by Julie Taymor who did the acclaimed Broadway adaptation of 'The Lion King'. 'Titus' is adapted from Shakespeare's relatively obscure play 'Titus Andronicus'. The movie is one of the most eye-filling, creative and imaginative films I've ever seen. I saw it Sunday on a huge, curved screen at the recently restored Cinerama movie theatre in downtown Seattle and it was truly spectacular. Jessica Lange is brilliant as the Queen of the Goths and Anthony Hopkins is also great in the title role. However, if you do go to see this movie, be forewarned. It is not for the faint of heart. 'Titus Andronicus' is more of the genre known as revenge tragedy and as such is very (some might say perversely) bloody & horrific. In that respect it harkens back to some of the excesses of Greek & Roman drama than it seems related to 'King Lear' or 'Hamlet'. Actually you can see elements of 'King Lear' in 'Titus Andronicus' which was a much earlier play than 'Lear.' The sets & the costumes are a brilliant blend of modern & Roman elements which gives the movie a timeless quality. The acting is superb. I guarantee you won't soon forget it if you do see it! Mark in Seattle (playing a bit of the critic himself but trying not be snippy or nasty about it) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 02:52:06 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: The Role of Critics! & a plug for 'Titus' NJC Mark or Travis wrote: > Has anyone ever had the experience of seeing a movie that you know is > well-written, well-acted, well-directed, has a beautiful production > and visual style....but you just don't like it? I felt that way about > 'The Piano.' Very well done & Holly Hunter deserved that Oscar and > Jane Campion is obviously a first-rate director but I just hated that > movie. I know what you mean about The Piano. I don't know why, but it didn't *quite* have the effect on me it should or could have. I still think it's a very good film, and the music is sublime. Probably my equivalent of Mark and The Piano is "Breaking The Waves". It's obviously a very well-made film and brilliantly acted, but I really didn't care for it too much. It was too depressing and lacking any discernable warmth or solace from the bleakness. > I kinda feel the same way about Steely Dan (ducking & running > for cover) but in their case I just don't get a sense of any real > substance underneath all the gloss. Same with Elvis Costello. But > now I'm rambling. A lot of people seem to feel that way about Costello. You're certaily not alone. I'm not among them, but I can see where the *not getting it* arises. Hard to put into brief words here, but I *do* know what the non-believers mean. The 'Dan are also regarded by many as too clever, too clinical and detached. Again, I love them...but undertstand where those opinions stem from. I think people should be able to feel comfortable airing their differing opinions and tastes. Sometimes knowing *why* some people simply don't get an artist or film that you really love can actually help to further appreciate that artist or film. > > I think it is possibly *easier* to review a piece of music than a > film, at > > least in terms of not having to think about *giving the plot away*. > > It has been done in the past. Remember 'The Crying Game?' With the > androgynous name, Jaye Davidson, critics mentioned the quality of that > performance but as far as I know never gave away the big 'plot twist' > in the first run of that movie. 'Vertigo' is another one. Most > reviews of that film don't go past a certain point in explaining what > it's about as it would totally ruin the movie by doing so. Well, I think these days it happens more often, that the twist and the basic plot developments are divulged in too much detail. Even the recent reviews for the re-issued Vertigo in 1997 went as far as to reveal too much of the premise and circumstances encountered by the Jimmy Stewart character. Yes, with the Crying Game I think the major twist was successfully witheld, but that was 1992. Yet, these days the likes of Meet Joe Black, Contact, Truman Show and Sliding Doors have all been reviewed in major UK film magazines in a way that unfortunately gives away all the twists, and even the endings. Thanks for the Titus recommendation.... Best wishes, Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:05:43 +1100 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Wombat (NJC) John said: >For the last few weeks I have been a quiet little wombat (mainland >species, Alan) safe in my lurkdom burrow For those JMDL members who don't know, the definition of 'wombat' is "Eats, roots, shoots, and leaves" But here's a real link to wombats: http://mag-nify.educ.monash.edu.au/acps_animals97/wombat.htm Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Van Diemens Land ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:12:08 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Gays and straights and Joni - NJC Mindy wrote: >Music whether it be Joni Mitchell >or Van Halen reaches everyone.Gay or straight. Absolutely! I've been getting a tiny bit annoyed with this thread. Saying all gay men like Bette and Judy is like saying all gay women listen to kd lang, Indigo Girls and Melissa Etheridge. Personally I don't like kd lang (I do like Melissa and the Indigo Girls), but I also like Bob Dylan, The Doors, Stephen Stills and Neil Young, who (to my knowledge) are not lesbians, nor act as "icons" to the lesbian community! This whole attitude that gays fit some nice, neat little stereotype makes as much sense as saying that every female living in Southern California is a bleach-blonde bimbo with the IQ of a gnat (with apologies to the SoCal jimdlers, obviously!) Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:32:52 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Steely Dan (njc) In a message dated 2/22/00 5:46:54 PM US Central Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: << What's the buzz on the new CD? Has anyone heard any cuts? I'm *almost* as excited as I would be for a Joni release! >> I heard a song on the radio about a month ago actually...it sounded great of course, sounded like it could have slipped off of Kamakiriad. I hope they roughen the edges a little and get some of that 'Katy Lied/Royal Scam' guitar on there. Has anyone heard about the Limited Edition? they're putting it a giant steam-powered...uhhh, I shouldn't go there, I s'pose. Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Change of the Guard" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:49:07 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: Kakki I'll testify too ..... Kakki is such a sweet person. Her posts are kind, well thought out and a pleasure to read. I've had the privilege of meeting with her three times over the past two years and really feel I've met a kindred spirit. Don't stay away Kakki :-) Heather At 09:25 AM 2/22/00 -0800, Steve Dulson wrote: >patrick wrote: > >>kakki, you're one of my favorite people on the joniplanet. that i've ever >>met through the internet. that i've ever met. > >I can't imagine anyone who has met Kakki who would disagree with that. > > > >######################################################### >Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 00:07:01 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC various Kakki is one of the great people in the JMDL. I missed all of what happened as my email has been coming in at 150 a day, but life here is not the same unless Kakki is here. In our saddness after Wally's death (and joy for his life) let us not lose even for a short time our wonderful Kakki. The gay/straight debate on who likes what is getting annoying. I love Joni, Janis Joplin, the Beatles, and Neil Young. My last cd purchases (other than BSN-LE) include Leonard Cohen, Beach Boys, and Peter, Paul, and Mary. I own not a single Madonna or Bette Midler musical product. I have a great appreciation for Barbra Streisand and own a few things but I own more REM. I love opera, and think the early days of country music were wonderful but I despise the Garth Brooks/Faith Hill sell out country (haven't liked much since 1974 or so). So what is my orientation? I love baseball and football too and just lined up a bunch of baseball tickets to see my beloved White Sox in July. So what does that say about my orientation, other than I am oriented towards enjoying life? I was elected to be a bishop in my church body last Sunday. Still deciding if to accept. I voted - and this will shock people who know me - but no one here does! - - in our Michigan Republican primary today, for McCain. I am a dedicated Dem, and a caucus leader in our county caucus in March, and will happily vote for Gore and prefer Bradley, but yet, I had to stop and help a person running on campaign finance reform and endijg the influence of the lobbyists. I can't stand the bigoted Religious Right and its hip-pocket candidate Bush. The Bush ads and telephone calls that Pat Robertson ran in this state were disgusting, truly revolting. And speaking of the Religious Right, they came into the most conservative town in our state and ran a test-run new campaign to polarise the community, on internet filters in the library. They hoped to take this nationwide. It was the usual anti single parent family, anti gay and anti lesbian, anti working women, anti everything campaign. Among the websites that their filters would block are the National Organisation of Women (to which I belong...), Planned Parenthood (to which I belong), any pro choice orgainization (and I belong to those too) and a lot of music sites (hip hop being devils music, as is rock and roll). They spent a fortune in the most conservative town in the state... and lost 45% to 55%. Civil liberties prevail, at least for a night. The Joni content: I am playing DED! Much affection to you, Kakki, and remember, we are all one, we need each other in our Joni-ness... (the Rev) Vince PS: Chicago/Wisconsin/Michigan JMDLers - what about if we all go see the Titanic exhibit at the Museum of Science and Industry at Chicago? As long as no one plays that song... which I do love, by the way... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 00:01:48 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: One down, ?? to go Hello, Joni lovers around the world! I've had a great evening putting together the various flotsam and jetsam I've been collecting for the "Covers and Contributions" project I'm working on. The first disc is gonna look something like this: A Case of You - Nancy Wilson (this is a smokin' live-in-the-guitar-shop recording that Kakki picked up. Really nice acoustic and vocal) Laughing - David Crosby (this just has a wisp of a Joni vocal on it but it's a gorgeous song) Both Sides Now - Nana Mouskouri (she's Greek I think, she's got a nice voice) Blue - Paul Horn, with Joni vocal & piano (if you haven't heard this one yet, all I can say is WOW!) Urge For Going - Crosby & Nash Chelsea Morning - Paul Horn A Case of You - Brian Kennedy (this was given to me a while back by Kevin in Scotland...are you still out there, Kevin?) All I Want - Natalie Merchant Blue - Sarah McLachlan A Case of You - Tori Amos (may be a case of you overload on this first disc...I may have to rethink my sequencing, but they are all gorgeous versions) If I Could - Seal, with superb Joni duet - Joni really pushes herself on this duet, it's much better than the Seal/Joni song on her record imo) Long Ago & Far Away - James Taylor & Joni duet(I debated putting this one on, because I figured everyone has heard it, but it's so darn pretty) For Free - Ethel Ennis (talk about smokin' jazz...this one features great sax and upright bass, dare I say it's better than Joni's version? Hmmm, I'll leave it to you to decide) For Free - Judy Collins (this version is SO radically different than Ethel's, it doesn't bother me a bit to have it back to back, Richard Stoltzman on the clarinet, very nice) Chelsea Morning - Judy Collins (1997) Both Sides Now - Judy Collins (1985) (hey, I'm not even a J.C. fan and I love these three JC selections!) Dida - Joan Baez/Joni (I'd print the lyrics, but just say "Dee-dah" about 238 times and you pretty much got the gist of it. Nice track, I wish Joni was out in front of the other Joan vocally tho, but that's just me) Twisted - Lambert, Hendricks & Ross Centerpiece - Lambert, Hendricks & Ross (OK, I know that it was JONI covering THEIR stuff, but I've heard Joni's versions so much these sound like covers to me! Besides, it's a good way for me to get some free CD's to my pal Deb Messling!) Besides Deb, contributors on this disc are Randy Remote, Kevin, Stephen, yours truly, and of course Kakki. And that's just the first disc!!! Coming up in this same volume, George Hamilton IV, Janet Jackson, Wynonna Judd, Diana Ross,The Byrds, Matthews Southern Comfort, too many more to name... And it's not too late to contribute - if you have some Joni covers in the closet somewhere, just let me know! So far I've got about 3 CD's worth! Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Razor Boy" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 01:19:01 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Audiophile's Corner; NJC Hi folks, I received the March 2000 issue of Stereophile Magazine. In Michael Fremer's article is a list of four LP stores that sell (what else?) LPs.:) Joni's superlative "Court and Spark" is currently in-print as an LP ("vinyl") from a company called DCC. I'll bet you can hear the tape edits with this one. Yeah, baby! (Hey, I know that "Yeah, baby" is outdated as a catch phrase, but what do you _want_ from me? I'm old. Where are my teeth! It's time for my prunes!) And no, I'm not gonna post the URLs (Internet addresses) of the LP stores; you can't make me! Support Stereopile. Or ask me nicely off-list.:) As an example of a used record gold mine he recent haunted, Fremer enthuses, "The spines of gatefold LPs like Joni Mitchell's "Blue" hadn't even been cracked." A fellow Joniphile/vinylphile! BTW (by the way), you can now subscribe to Stereophile for $11.97 (American dollars & mailed to the US, or $13.00 for shipment to Canada, or $15.00 to anywhere else on the planet. All prices are in US dollars. Honest.) Why subscribe? To find out about premium quality stereo brands that you've never, ever heard of before. Some of them even sound better than Pioneer receivers mated to Bose speakers. Honest. ;-) (wink with a big nose) BTW, Rolling Stone likes the new Steely Dan, due in stores on Leap Year Day. np: David Gilmour's "About Face" from the Floyd-less mid 80s. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #110 ***************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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