From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #103 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, February 19 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 103 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Mean Spirited? Talk to the Hand! [evian ] My Interview With Joni (a Fiction) ["Kakki" ] Go Joni! [evian ] Re: Observance Around the World ["Alan Lorimer" ] Talented Mr Ripley NJC [Tube ] reprise contest [Deb Messling ] Re: My Story and Intro ["lpeakes" ] Re: BSN promo CD? [JP ] Why does Joni care so much about what the critics think? [Relayer211@aol.] Re: Mean Spirited? Talk to the Hand! NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Why does Joni care so much about what the critics think? [MGVal@aol.c] BSN ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: My Interview With Joni (a Bigger Fiction) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: BSN promo CD? ["cassy" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #101 [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Re: Fictional Interview's [Phyliss Ward ] scratched CDs...NJC [Erin Stoy ] BNSLE and Nintendo 64 [MGVal@aol.com] Re: reprise contest ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Rhino records release ["Mark T. Domyancich" ] What's a good Carly Simon to buy? [Relayer211@aol.com] Macy Gray NJC ["rick and susan" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #101 [catman ] Re: My Interview With Joni (a Fiction) [catman ] Re: What's a good Carly Simon to buy? NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] BSN review in yesterday's Daily Mail Newspaper [Jason Maloney ] Re: For Wally ["Mark or Travis" ] Joni sighting in MORE magazine. Alright! (+ freebies) [mann@chicagonet.n] Re: For Wally [Linda Worster ] Re: What's a good Carly Simon to buy? [catman ] Carly hates Joni?SJC [KJHSF@aol.com] Joni2000 in New Orleans [Michael Paz ] Re: HDCD NJC [Randy Remote ] schwa NJC ["patrick leader" ] RE: BSN NY Times Review (NJC) ["patrick leader" ] Re: My Interview With Joni (a Bigger Fiction) ["Kakki" Subject: Mean Spirited? Talk to the Hand! Some person wrote: > I have recently joined and now must remove myself from this "discussion" > list. Where are the discussions. > Hmmm... start one, maybe.... and if that thread doesn't take off, try again... > It's been more like "diss' > cussions...superficial banter, mean spirited jabbering and generally too > many people with too little to say (in my opinion). > > Yeah, superficial, aren't we? Better not ask how you all are doing or talk about our lives.... quick, let's stick to music theory. Mean-spirited? Hmmm, I musta missed that post. As for meaningful discussion... have we not been talking about BSN, and the good and bad about it? However, the discussion WILL be more interesting once we get copies that actually play. And you think we don't discuss? Go to the archives and read the Jungle Line and the Sweet Bird threads.... lol, those are doosies! > What a waste of talent and time. Try spending it doing something > meaningful for your community, your families or yourselves. > > And how the hell do you know exactly WHAT I do for my community, and my family, and myself??? Or anyone else here? Until you do, you should think before you speak. And thank you, but I will decide what wastes my time and what doesn't. I think Patrick said it oh so well the other day, but I'll refrain..... Evian, who has no life, does diddly squat for the community, ignores his family, and wastes his time sitting on his big hairy ass while he could be out curing cancer and helping old ladies cross the street. (Ok, maybe I AM getting a little mean spirited, but that whole "get a life/waste of time thing" is more mean spirited than anything else I've seen on here lately, so touche!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:19:07 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: My Interview With Joni (a Fiction) Setting: somewhere in L.A. in some dark cafe... K: Hi Joni J: Hello again, Kakki K: Let's take that big table outside by the heatlamp so we can smoke. J: Yeah. (Both lighting up the first of several cigarettes) J: So how does the list like the new album? K: Well, geez, you know it's a mixed reaction. Most people are very upset about the defective CDs and the chintzy special edition box and token "lithos". J: (Deep dragging on the cigarette) And then they wonder why I whine and bitch about the music industry. (loud rueful laughter) K: Yes, Joni. You see *we* on the JMDL are allowed to bitch all we want about anything under the sun, but you are not ever allowed to do the same. It is simply not tolerated. J: I think I'll try one of those martinis, Kakki. So how do they like the music - what they can hear of it? K: It seems to be running about 80-20 in favor of it so far. J: How do they like the paintings? K: Um, well. J: Yeah. (laughs) K: Well, I love them and think they are brilliant, and I love the music, too. I really can't find any fault with either, no matter how hard I try to be intellectually discerning and objective about it all. I don't know what's wrong with me. J: Yeah, you never find anything wrong and so you lose some credibility with your opinions among my more intellectually sophisticated fan base. (stubs out second cigarette) K: I know, I'm sorry Joni, I really try to give more incisive critiques, but I honestly can't come up with any weighty contra-opinions nor feel any inclination to nit-pick. I like it all, I just really like it. J: Nietzsche says "Somebody said: 'There are two persons whom I have not thought deeply about. This is the proof of my love for them'." K: Well Joni, as much as I think that you are a better philosopher than Mr. Nietzsche, I kind of like that one. K: Oh no, here comes Harper Lou - hide the cigarettes quick. J: Ah no, let's give him one. K: No, no, he's much funnier these days without them. Don't you dare give him one! Fade out with more laughter, smoke and drink accompained by the Harper playing For Free J: Hmmm, I really like that - maybe I should do a whole album of my old songs on harp. K: No, no, don't go there, Joni, please! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 02:30:08 -0600 From: evian Subject: Go Joni! Hmmm.... maybe I *do* understand Joni's National interview reaction after all... ;) Go Joni! Evian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 19:25:00 +1100 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Observance Around the World >Wally's ashes will be scattered at Noon-- Pacific Time >Which corresponds to >8 PM -- GMT Greenwich, England 7AM Sunday for Eastern States of Australia on Daylight Savings Time Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 10:12:07 +0100 From: Tube Subject: Talented Mr Ripley NJC >catman wrote: >Subject: Talented Mr Ripley NJC >Does anyone know if they remained true to the novel in this film? Well I just read the novel over Christmas, but I haven't seen the film, so ask me something specific about the book. Tube ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 06:03:38 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: reprise contest Any word about the contest on the Reprise web site for the artist's proofs of the lithos? Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 08:03:33 -0500 From: "lpeakes" Subject: Re: My Story and Intro Hi, NLaF - Welcome - you hit a chord with this: <> I felt that way, too - when I discovered Joni in high school - not only did I find someone who "got it" - but someone who helped me "get it" - that there was a forum for expression that wasn't candy-coated and simplistic (this was in 1978, when 'Disco Duck', 'Convoy', and 'Do Ya Think I'm Sexy' were chart toppers) It was an example for how my voice might grow - someone who got me out of my bedroom and out to the record shop - only to set me back in my room, but with a pen, brushes and color and a newfound sense that there would be a place in the world for what was inside me. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:29:13 +0200 From: JP Subject: Re: BSN promo CD? The Euro promo CD I mentioned earlier has the whole album on it. It's in generic Warner blue & white sleeve. Anyone wanna sell the "lithographs" to me? :-) - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 09:26:27 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Why does Joni care so much about what the critics think? I can understand Joni being upset about the critics not givving her music the respect that it deserves,but I think she should just ignore the ignorant critics.As along as she and her fans know the value of her work,that's all that matters.It's true that the culture in general,including the music industry and most pop music overall is stupid,but she should remember that she is loved and admired by millions,including many critics. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 10:02:35 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mean Spirited? Talk to the Hand! NJC In a message dated 2/19/00 2:26:07 AM US Central Standard Time, evian@sk.sympatico.ca writes: << And how the hell do you know exactly WHAT I do for my community, and my family, and myself??? >> Hear hear, Evian! Ain't it funny that these kind of comments always come from somebody who has never posted? Also was funny reading this considering I got out of bed this morning on a Saturday at 6 to help out at the polls today (South Carolina Republican Primary) for two hours, and I'm a registered Democrat! I was helping a buddy who called me up...also putting the finishing touches on 8 CD's I made yesterday and 3 tapes...helping out my JMDL "community"...next up is getting my son to his basketball game at 11:00, then helping my wife clean up the house for a baby shower we're throwing tonight for a couple from church. In the midst of that, the list is overflowing with Joni talk and memorials to Wally and planning for PazFest...I just don't get where this chick is coming from AT ALL! So, I guess this dimwit is right...we need to do MORE for family and community! LOL!!!! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 10:03:13 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Why does Joni care so much about what the critics think? In a message dated 2/19/00 6:29:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: << I can understand Joni being upset about the critics not givving her music the respect that it deserves,but I think she should just ignore the ignorant critics.As along as she and her fans know the value of her work,that's all that matters >> I think that we all care what people think about ourselves and our work to a certain extent. We can often have the equilibrium of "as long as we know our value," but I believe it is an equilibrium that requires maintenance. Sometimes easy to do, sometimes its a full time job, especially since not all critics who dislike her work are ignorant. It gets tough when you are want universal appeal, you don't want blind idolatry, you don't want people to misunderstand your points and yet, to lift a line from James Taylor, "painters use their eyes to tell us what they see, but when that canvas dries, we all see things differently." Personally, I think that she has good days and bad days with dealing with critics. It's just the bad days that make the news. MG np - my god! it's a quiet, empty house all by myself!!!! Pinch me quick! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:12:36 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: BSN Hello All Just a quickie in defence of Joni. I don't usually do this. I am a big fan of Joni's original music and her singing and her phrasing. This work is a testament to that. And the paintings. I am a big fan of Joni's work from the 1980s-90s from the exhib I saw in London in 1990 and all I can say is... she is an excellent painter and these paintings don't do her justice, as paintings. Perhaps because she had two weeks to do them, perhaps the lithos don't sell them properly... The best painting is the one with her face-on to us, the that is called 'If you want me I'll be in the bar'. That one seems full of artistic consideration and thought more than the others (she'll probably disagree). She's a good techincal painter and they may 'go with her couch' but they are a little rushed in terms of content... IMHO The music is wonderful and I will leave it there. Much has already been said about it that I don't want to repeat another 'lush', 'rich', 'heartbreaking' etc etc. They are just words that don't really describe the scale of the music. Or the range of emotion that JOni goes through. I would say, however, that Joni doesn't take many risks, vocally, IMHO. 'You've Changed' for example. For those of you that have complained that BSN Special Edition is too unwieldy to store with your other cds.... we always knew that the special ed. was going to be in a big box from the interviews at LACE. If you didn't want to pay for something you couldn't store... wait until the general release comes out. A little harsh of me I know but you knew what you were going in for. Remembering Wally tonight. Much Joni Jamie Zoob "Whatever makes you YAHOO!" Joni Mitchell, Shiny Toys 1985 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 10:22:32 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: My Interview With Joni (a Bigger Fiction) Kakki forwarded me a tape of this interview, and my copy was a little scratchy like the LACE Interview, but it sure sounded to me more like THIS: (submitted in good-natured fun & friendship) << Setting: somewhere in L.A. in some dark cafe... K: Hi Joni J: Hello again, Kakki...please pay no attention to the Secret Service guys, but you spend SO much time tracking me down I've had to take some anti-stalking precautions...So how does the list like the new album? K: Well, geez, you know it's a mixed reaction. Most people are very upset about the defective CDs and the chintzy special edition box and token "lithos". J: Didn't they read the fine print on the Reprise website saying that the lithos were suitable for framing and putting up in the Barbie Dream House only? K: Well, Joni, it's the list's nature to read what we want and delete the rest...sorry we missed that. K: Well, I love them and think they are brilliant, and I love the music, too. I really can't find any fault with either, no matter how hard I try to be intellectually discerning and objective about it all. I don't know what's wrong with me. J: Nothing really wrong with you at all, Kakki. You're just a big brown-noser. I thought I was the only one that thought so, but Robbie said the same thing. K: I know, I'm sorry Joni, I really try to give more incisive critiques, but I honestly can't come up with any weighty contra-opinions nor feel any inclination to nit-pick. I like it all, I just really like it. J: Yeah, yeah, whatever...say do you know how I can get in touch with that hunk I met in Atlanta? I'm gonna take my syrupy show on the road and I want to be sure I meet up with him again... K: Um, well, gee Joni...(tape fades here, conversation unintelligible) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 10:27:11 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: BSN promo CD? There was also a U.S. Advance release containing the entire CD, just a plain cardboard sleeve with the satin sticker from the inside of the box lid of the L.E. and another satin sticker on the other side with the name of the CD and Joni's name. Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 10:49:58 -0500 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #101 Lisa wrote: >What a waste of talent and time. Try spending it doing something >meaningful for your community, your families or yourselves. "Not all those who wander are lost." JRR Tolkien Victor http://www.mindspring.com/~waytoblu/Tangled.htm NP:Night Ride Home ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 07:44:57 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Fictional Interview's ROTFL! Kakki, Bob -You guys have missed your calling! - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 10:54:50 -0500 From: Erin Stoy Subject: scratched CDs...NJC "...by the way, i own several hundred cds and almost none of them skip. i'm insanely careful with them. you wrote >it's almost always the flawless-looking discs that skip.> and i have to say that this is the opposite of my experience. the few i have that skip always have obvious visual reasons why. i have never experienced 'flawless-looking disc' that skipped." My family owns two record stores in the Tampa area, and we sell new and used product. So I am quite the expert at detecting which CDs will skip :) The general rule is the light marks running from the inside to outside of the disc don't tend to cause any problems. (Regardless, we don't purchase ones with these marks even though we know they probably won't skip, for the purpose of presenting a just-like-new product.) The ones that cause skips are 1. deep digs into the CD in any direction, 2. little spots you can see through when you hold the disc up to the light, and 3. most significantly, scratches that run in a crcular fashion. This type makes it very difficult for the laser to read the information on the disc, and almost always results in skipping. However, the CDs that skip due to manufacturing errors ARE generally flawless-looking. There are miscodings in the disc that the naked eye could never see. FOR BEST RESULTS: Put your CDs right back in their cases when you have finished listening to them! Limit use of portable CD players. Don't store your CDs in those zipper cases in which you place the CD right into a plastic sleeve (these leave some really weird makrs sometimes). - --Erin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 10:55:58 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: BNSLE and Nintendo 64 I've had my BSNLE for a week now. So, I'm listening and I am trying very hard to not allow this to become like an audio Nintendo 64. Let me explain: I used to love playing "regular" Nintendo with my oldest daughter, Signe. To the disgust of my ex, we would sit for hours and run Mario & Co. through the paces. I loved the boot that he could hop around in and the flying dolphins and everything else. It was great. Along comes Nintendo 64 and the 3D game. No can do. Can't think in 3D, my mindset is too stuck on SuperMario and its predecessors. And no thank you, I don't care to learn. Leave me alone with my memories of happier times, if you want me I'll be in the bar. I didn't want that to happen with BSN. But the signs are there: I cannot think of a better version of "A Case of You" than the velvet rendition from the Joni/James concerts. Lately, I've been listening to that daily. Never a big fan of BSN, I love the live version on MOA. I can't begin to think how they can be better if done differently. Other callouses over my senses are Joni's talking kinda of singing voice that is often difficult for me to hear over the instrumentation and the sometimes monotonous strum-strum of the VG80 songs. Lastly, to me, there's the SuperMario of all modern singers doing standard albums, Carly Simon's "Torch." With those smears of Vaseline on my senses, it was tough going. "A Case" felt flat to me, a lot of the songs seemed to drag, especially when I had Carly Simon's "Torch" playing next in line. Some of the songs seemed to drag, sometimes the instruments obscured her words, sometimes her singing seemed like talking. I knew that I was not enjoying it as I usually, (with the exception of DED and TI), do enjoy her work. I thought that I needed an ear enema. Which I tried to do in a way. I took Carly's CD off the disc changer. I put some David Bromberg on to whack my senses to another place. I swept my mind of comparisons and earlier works and "but I only like the OTHER version" thoughts. And tried to come to it clean and open. And lo and behold! I'm still not crazy about it. But when I listen to it with Klein's conceptual explanation in mind, beneath the smoke damaged voice, beneath the strings that, (for me), can sometimes obscure my ability to hear the singing, what I can't deny is the feeling in each and every song. It really is true that it follows the up, up and down, down, down of romance; from the giddiness of "You're My Thrill" to the weariness in "BSN," and everything in between. To mix my analogies, listening to this album is very similar to drinking a complex glass of wine: a myriad of flavors, the buzz of the alcohol, the bouquet and the aftertaste and the final swallow all ending up in a final verdict of "hmm, I think I'll have another." MG np: "Comes Love" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 11:18:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: reprise contest On Sat, 19 Feb 2000, Deb Messling wrote: > Any word about the contest on the Reprise web site for the artist's proofs > of the lithos? > Yeah. I won them. They were all scratched up so I had to send them back Wicked Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 10:18:17 -0600 From: "Mark T. Domyancich" Subject: Rhino records release Someone mentioned several months ago that Rhino Records were going to release a live album of Joni. Has anyone heard anything more? Would this conflict with Reprise? Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 11:45:06 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: What's a good Carly Simon to buy? I was thinking of buying Carly Simon's "Another Passenger" CD.Is that a good album? I'm asking because I know many Joni fans are also Carly fans.Also,I've heard that the song "Dishonest modesty" on the album is about Joni.Is that true? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 08:56:32 -0800 From: "rick and susan" Subject: Macy Gray NJC If I recall correctly there are several Macy Gray fans on board the List. The CBC has just posted an interview with Gray (by the infamous Ross Porter) along with a streaming video of the interview. You can find it at http://cbc.ca The link to the interview is at the bottom of the page on the left side. Rick, ignoring his screaming wife, whining children, destitute neighbours, and all the hungry children in Japan just so he could post this useless piece of info for like-minded slackers. ;-0 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 18:03:33 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #101 > > > I have recently joined and now must remove myself from this "discussion" > list. Where are the discussions. It's been more like "diss' > cussions...superficial banter, mean spirited Just like this post. Where do you get off being so rude about such a wonderful place when you have hardly given it any time?Perhaps you could find something better to do than barge in here with your arrogant insults . The people on this list are the most intelligent, caring bunch of people you will find anywhere. Many of us are involved in our communites and doing real work with real people-from being medicos to therapists to charity workers to volunteers etc etc etc. What we all have in common is a love of Joni Mitchell's work. This list is over 600 strong and very active. Sometimes it is rockybut mostly it is informative and displays the best in human qualities. If you stick around those qualities might rub off on you. > jabbering and generally too > many people with too little to say (in my opinion). > > What a waste of talent and time. Try spending it doing something > meaningful for your community, your families or yourselves. > > Joni (and wally, whom we own a debt to) would appreciate it. > > L. nebenzahl - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 18:06:09 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: My Interview With Joni (a Fiction) Kakki-oh you are naughty but I like you! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 18:07:30 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Mean Spirited? Talk to the Hand! Glad I wassn't the only one Evan evian wrote: > Some person wrote: > > > I have recently joined and now must remove myself from this "discussion" > > list. Where are the discussions. > > > Hmmm... start one, maybe.... and if that thread doesn't take off, try > again... > > > It's been more like "diss' > > cussions...superficial banter, mean spirited jabbering and generally too > > many people with too little to say (in my opinion). > > > > > Yeah, superficial, aren't we? Better not ask how you all are doing or > talk about our lives.... quick, let's stick to music theory. > Mean-spirited? Hmmm, I musta missed that post. As for meaningful > discussion... have we not been talking about BSN, and the good and bad > about it? However, the discussion WILL be more interesting once we get > copies that actually play. And you think we don't discuss? Go to the > archives and read the Jungle Line and the Sweet Bird threads.... lol, > those are doosies! > > > What a waste of talent and time. Try spending it doing something > > meaningful for your community, your families or yourselves. > > > > > And how the hell do you know exactly WHAT I do for my community, and my > family, and myself??? Or anyone else here? Until you do, you should > think before you speak. And thank you, but I will decide what wastes my > time and what doesn't. I think Patrick said it oh so well the other > day, but I'll refrain..... > Evian, who has no life, does diddly squat for the community, ignores his > family, and wastes his time sitting on his big hairy ass while he could > be out curing cancer and helping old ladies cross the street. (Ok, > maybe I AM getting a little mean spirited, but that whole "get a > life/waste of time thing" is more mean spirited than anything else I've > seen on here lately, so touche!) - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 18:09:37 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Mean Spirited? Talk to the Hand! NJC SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/19/00 2:26:07 AM US Central Standard Time, > evian@sk.sympatico.ca writes: > > << And how the hell do you know exactly WHAT I do for my community, and my > family, and myself??? >> > > Hear hear, Evian! > > Ain't it funny that these kind of comments always come from somebody who has > never posted? > Also was funny reading this considering I got out of bed this morning on a > Saturday at 6 to help out at the polls today (South Carolina Republican > Primary) for two hours, and I'm a registered Democrat! I was helping a buddy > who called me up...also putting the finishing touches on 8 CD's I made > yesterday and 3 tapes...helping out my JMDL "community"...next up is getting > my son to his basketball game at 11:00, then helping my wife clean up the > house for a baby shower we're throwing tonight for a couple from church. > > In the midst of that, the list is overflowing with Joni talk and memorials to > Wally and planning for PazFest...I just don't get where this chick is coming > from AT ALL! > > So, I guess this dimwit is right...we need to do MORE for family and > community! LOL!!!! > > Bob - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 18:12:54 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: What's a good Carly Simon to buy?NJC I don't know if the song is about Joni or not, tho the words would suggest not. Another Passeneger is an oddity in that it has a country feel to it. However, I am not the one to recommend her as I have all her works and love them all! Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > I was thinking of buying Carly Simon's "Another Passenger" CD.Is > that a good album? I'm asking because I know many Joni fans are also Carly > fans.Also,I've heard that the song "Dishonest modesty" on the album is about > Joni.Is that true? - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 18:14:36 +0000 From: catman Subject: HDCD NJC I almost bought an HDCD version of No Secrets today. i asked them to remvoe the packaging so i could look at the cd. It had AAD on it so i didn't buy it. Was that right? if it was, how can they get away with this? the only other HDCD I bought has HDCD on the cd itself. - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 13:15:43 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: What's a good Carly Simon to buy? NJC In a message dated 2/19/00 10:48:13 AM US Central Standard Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: << I was thinking of buying Carly Simon's "Another Passenger" CD.Is that a good album? I'm asking because I know many Joni fans are also Carly fans.Also,I've heard that the song "Dishonest modesty" on the album is about Joni.Is that true? >> Don't know if that's true, but AP is a superb record...great production by Ted Templeman, who at the time was also producing The Doobies & Little Feat and gets them to play backup on the songs of theirs that Carly covers. "He Likes to Roll" is probably my favorite on that disc, "Darkness til Dawn" also excellent, anyway it's a winner in my book. "Come Upstairs" is another of Carly's that I like a bunch, some nice songs and musical textures on that record. Bob NP: Ben Folds Five, "Video Killed The Radio Star" (live) Whoo-Hoo! Talk about a great record!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 18:50:46 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: BSN review in yesterday's Daily Mail Newspaper Did any other UK-ers see this? It was a fairly substantial review by their standards, with a large picture of Joni. They gave it four stars out of five. I'll try and transcribe it to e-mail in the next 24 hours. One thing it did mention is that BSN is out in the UK on Feb 28th. Martin informed us that Music Week (generally the most reliable source on these matters) says the album is due on 6th March. Of course, they could have got it wrong, or the date has been changed since the Daily Mail article was actually written. Does anyone know for sure? Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 11:16:23 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Desperately Seeking Sharon Hi Gang, Does anyone have info on Sharon Bell, the woman of whom Joni wrote Song For Sharon? The only bit I could find in articles was this from a Joni interview in Musician Mag: "Sharon Bell, in 'Song for Sharon,' was the singer. I was going to grow up and marry a farmer, she was going to grow up and be a singer. She married a farmer. That song has a little bit of nostalgia. Sometimes I think I'd be better suited to living on a farm..." Does Joni speak of her in any of the interviews on the tape trees? Peace Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 11:43:30 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: What's a good Carly Simon to buy? > I was thinking of buying Carly Simon's "Another Passenger" CD.Is > that a good album? I'm asking because I know many Joni fans are also Carly > fans.Also,I've heard that the song "Dishonest modesty" on the album is about > Joni.Is that true? > > 'Another Passenger' is one of Carly's best imo. I never thought that 'Dishonest Modesty' had anything to do with Joni. Great song, though. Wickedly witty lyrics. Mark in Seattle Anybody think this is about Joni? I can't see Carly being that mean-spirited but who knows? DISHONEST MODESTY You come on strong telling everyone About your latest role How you saved the move, stole the show Or so you've been told And if you have no time for all your offers You'll see that I get called And if you have no time for all your men You'll see that I get balled Well I don't expect humility But what about some good old dishonest modesty You say that you can understudy All the other parts That you can write a song that'll make us cry That touches all our hearts And you can House and Garden, Vogue and Glamour and Mademoiselle But I know you can Bitch and Screw And Penthouse just as well I don't expect humility But what about some good old dishonest modesty You try to be unique But somehow something's wrong Your flower childish vision of life Cannot last too long 'Cause you're over thirty and underweight Though you call yourself petite And you hang around with all the clowns Who think they're so elite Well I don't expect humility But what about some good old dishonest modesty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:15:55 -0500 From: dsk Subject: For Wally For Wally, on the day his body returns to the elemental, creative, mysterious universe that made him: Stardust in winter within the moving waters golden currents flow Stardust is springtime sparkling in the singing rain golden in our tears To those who love him, may your happy memories give you comfort and a sense of his presence ease your loss. Peace and love to all, Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:38:19 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: For Wally > For Wally, on the day his body returns to the elemental, creative, > mysterious universe that made him: > > Stardust in winter > within the moving waters > golden currents flow > > Stardust is springtime > sparkling in the singing rain > golden in our tears > > > To those who love him, may your happy memories give you comfort and a > sense of his presence ease your loss. > > Peace and love to all, > Debra Shea Echoing Debra's sentiments here. I played 'Woodstock' & 'The Circle Game' from Ladies of the Canyon and put the Joni Mitchell Homepage up on my computer screen at noon. I thought of Wally, of Leslie & Jim, and of all of you. In some way we were all together at that moment and it was very comforting to me to have you all here. Thank you again, Wally. Love to All, Mark (in Seattle) Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:49:26 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Joni sighting in MORE magazine. Alright! (+ freebies) Wow! I love this..........Joni on a page about woman and make-up! I think I'll put a (big) bug in the editor's ear about doing a Joni interview. I know Joni doesn't grant interviews often .......but ya never know! She may want to talk about aging, her health......and give some shots of herself painting. No arguments/debates about her music!! In the April 2000 issue of MORE magazine (tauted as a mag for women over 40)..... page 124 "SUPERSTAR FACE-OFF! Natural or Super-Glam, that's the choice more-age celebs make. A salute to those who pile it on and those who seem to take it off" There's groupings of little pictures of celebs. A nice color picture of Joni under "looking natural" along with other pics of not too made-up (over 40) celebs: Lauren Hutton, Shari Belafonte, Jamie Lee Curtis, Michelle Pfeiffer, Mia Farrow, Bo Derek, Meryl Streep, Barbara Streisand, Gloria Steinem. The other groupings "going glam" is on the opposite side with heavily made-up pics of Susan Lucci, Naomi Judd, Elizabeth Taylor, Bernedette Peters, Cher, Betsey Johnson, Jackie Collins, Bianca Jagger, Dolly Parton. NOTE TO JIMMY: More's cover picture is Cybill Sheperd..........nice couple page interview with her (including pics) inside. Laura **FREEBIES BELOW (NJC)** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SAVE $$ ON INKJET PRINTER INK Atlascopy sells refill kits so you can refill your own inkjet cartridges at home. Refilling your own cartridges costs about $1.50 each time versus the high price of buying new ink cartridges. 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Then when you get the bill either pay it to continue the subscription, Or mark CANCEL on the bill, send it back, & keep the complimentary issue(s). You're free issue(s) will arrive in 3 to 4 weeks. (seen in People 2/28 issue....if they ask) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Get 2 Free Trial Issues of SPORTS ILLUSTRATED FOR KIDS for your favorite kid. Call: 1-800-328-5606 If the kids like it......pay the bill otherwise, after you receive the 2 FREE issues, return the bill marked "cancel" and keep your 2 issues without owing a penny! (seen in People 2/21 issue....if they ask) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:52:07 -0500 From: Linda Worster Subject: Re: For Wally Thank you Debra and Mark for your beautiful posts. I have my candle lit here still. It is nice to be thinking of you all. Sending thoughts of comfort and love and peace to Jim and Leslie and all Wally's friends. Bless you all and bless you Wally.... Linda ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 23:10:19 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: What's a good Carly Simon to buy? I can't see how these words relate to Joni at all. Maybe they don't relate to anyone. if they do, i wonder who? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:13:30 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Replacement BSN CDNow's replacement arrived today. It looks like the cd stayed secure in the box. I popped it in the player & immediately went to 'A Case of You'. It played through without a skip or flaw of any kind. I'm listening to the rest of it now just to be sure. I love this record! I too had my doubts about all those strings poured all over it at first but the more I listen the more wonderful it sounds. Mark in Seattle np: Sometimes I'm Happy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 18:29:13 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Carly hates Joni?SJC I never thought Dishonest Modesty was about Joni. After all how could Joni see to it that Carly gets balled? As for my top Carly picks, Boys in the Trees and Spy are both great. And I've always loved the song "Sons of Summer" from Playing Possum. There is an old old Melissa Manchester song from a descent album, Home to Myself, called "Funny that Way" with these lyrics that I'm sure reference both Joni and Laura Nyro. Sorry but I only remember one little verse: Now I don't have the soul of Joni And I cannot picture myself like Miss Laura That's all I can remember. Also, does anyone have any info on Wendy Maharry, a singer songwriter who put out two great little records about 10 years ago? Thanks, Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 19:01:53 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Joni2000 in New Orleans Hello Gang and Happy Weekend! I am wondering if everyone that is coming to JoniFest New Orleans, are on the Joni2000 discussion list that Les set up for us???? If not please go to jmdl.com and join up as soon as possible. We have begun selecting songs and it seems like we are going to have an incredible list of performers and music played (like anybody doubted THAT). Here is a list (so far) of the music that will be performed live at the Howlin' Wolf on Sunday May 28, 2000: Here is the list of songs that will be performed as of today: Black Crow Big Yellow Taxi All I Want Little Green Both Sides Now Rainy Night House Circle Game Raised on Robbery Woodstock Paprika Plains For Free Chinese Cafe Amelia Hejira Just Like This Train Love Puts on A New Face Two Grey Rooms Man From Mars Down To You Harry's House Blue Motel Room Furry Sings The Blues We have had alot of people signing up lately so please don't be shy. Rumor has it that Pearl has been dusting off her guitar and getting callouses and chops back up. John Van Tiel is making a return appearance in the US by popular demand and there promises to be alot of surprises. I got Brian Blade's new CD Perceptual, earlier this week and it is incredible. Joni's song is really pretty and VERY different. Brian even sings the closing song on it. Longtime collaborator Jon Cowherd co produced the album with Brian and plays keys, Melvin Butler on saxes, Dave Easley on Pedal steel, Chris Thomas on bass, Myron Walden on sax and clarinet, Kurt Rosenwinkel joins the band on acoustic and electric guitars (this guy is incredible and has a real Pat Metheny sort of vibe happening). An last but not least Daniel Lanois plays guitar and pedal steel on the last two tracks. The street date for this record is April 11 and I highly recommend it. Hope everyone is well and have a great weekend. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 17:39:16 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: HDCD NJC catman wrote: > > I almost bought an HDCD version of No Secrets today. i asked them to > remvoe the packaging so i could look at the cd. It had AAD on it so i > didn't buy it. Was that right? if it was, how can they get away with > this? the only other HDCD I bought has HDCD on the cd itself. > Those three letters refer to, respectively, recording/mixing/mastering. A/D is Analog/Digital. No Secrets was recorded before digital technology had hit the scene, so it was recorded and mixed with analog i.e.non-digital gear. Apparently they took the original master tapes and remastered them to a digital format. But it IS suspicious that there was no HDCD marking on the disc. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 21:04:30 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: schwa NJC i'd like to draw attention to my first personal email name: trxschwa. i was always fascinated with the vowels across the bottom of every page in our dictionary, including the schwa and all of its sounds (e in butter, u in put) actually, my first choice for an email name was umlautschwa, but i had a limit of 8 letters... dämn!! patrick, fascinated by the concept of umlaut bands, especially an early nineties east village band called ümläüt övërlöäd. every vowel was umlauted! just pronouncing the name was fun enough; thank god i never had to hear them. patrick >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >Catherine McKay >Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 12:27 PM >To: marian@jmdl.com; stoyem@notes.cba.ufl.edu; joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: new to list > > >Marian, the linguist, informs us: >>Joni pronounces it "heh jeer' ruh". The dictionary gives two >>pronunciations: "hi-ji'-(like gyrate) ruh" ("uh" = that backwards >>"e") > >You mean the upside down "e" - it's called a "schwa". It's that neutral >"uh" kind of sound as in "the". Don't ask me how it got to be called a >"schwa" but the goofballs in my family get off on stupid stuff >like that and >we'd always crack up on hearing the word "schwa" (no, we didn't get out >much, and that's probably not a bad thing!) Just a bit of useless >information for a snowy Friday afternoon (it is now 12:26 p.m. Eastern >Standard Time!) > >Catherine (in Toronto) >cateri@hotmail.com > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 22:38:19 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: BSN NY Times Review (NJC) hey chris: you wrote >I think what's needed is a sense of perspective here. >Eric made a cynical comment, and used the masturbation imagery >in the way we young folk often use it in the UK: the humourous >response to some*thing* exciting. (Case in point, take a bunch >of IT techies, show them a particularly cool new gadget. One, >in humour, might remark; "You'll have to excuse me, I need to >go for a quick ****) > i can imagine that kind of joking in your workplace and i get it, and find it harmless and amusing. but that's not what eric was doing. eric is a sweet and fascinating person and a passionate joni fan, but he often gets angry and goes on the attack against people who don't revere joni as much as he. which is just about all of us. his attack on stephen holden was vicious and completely inappropriate, and had nothing to do with music. or humour. i've bitten my lip many times and not said >jesus eric, this is just too much.> i couldn't let this one go. btw, he's certainly not privy to some special young folk code i've missed: we're both 'round 40. a constant concern for me in the give-and-take on the jmdl, and in public discourse is the tendency for people to slander those who disagree with them. i was offended when newt gingrich said that liberal thinkers had caused susan smith to kill her children. i was offended when harper lou suggested that those of us who defend the concept of political correctness are secret bigots who hope pc will hide our bigotry. and i was offended when eric suggested that a music critic who expressed an opinion about joni that eric disagreed with was probably a closet child-molester. silly me, i think if you differ with someone on an issue, i think you should express your differences with his or her opinions on the issue as well as you can and not resort to personal attack. as a 41-year old i don't belong with >we young folk> though i think we're closer than you think. but if you and yours decide that slurring the character of those you don't agree with is cool, it won't be an issue of old folks vs. young folks. it will be right and wrong. and you'll be wrong. patrick, who has spent many hours trying to write as well as he can for this remarkable community and is a bit perturbed that 'yuck, and fuck you!' is by general acclaim the best phrase he's written. ouch!! np - joni - just confirmed that 'a case of you' still skips miserably. 'don't go to strangers' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 20:40:36 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: My Interview With Joni (a Bigger Fiction) Bob "joked": > Kakki forwarded me a tape of this interview, and my copy was a little > scratchy like the LACE Interview, but it sure sounded to me more like THIS: Thanks for reminding me to keep beating up on myself for ever sullying listmembers with such a shitty tape. > (submitted in good-natured fun & friendship) Glad I don't know what my enemies submit about me. > J: Hello again, Kakki...please pay no attention to the Secret Service guys, > but you spend SO much time tracking me down I've had to take some > anti-stalking precautions...So how does the list like the new album? > K: Well, Joni, it's the list's nature to read what we want and delete the > rest...sorry we missed that I really did not want to respond to this, but as someone who was victimized by a stalker for four years, I find the insinuation in this "joke" horrific. There is no way prefacing it as "only joking" makes it acceptable to me. For those who don't know me and for those whose nature it is to, as you say, read what they want, I have never and would never "track" Joni down to meet her. The thought of it sickens me. I was *invited* to meet her after the taping and encouraged by her friend in meeting her the second time at the public LACE event. Even then, it was a struggle for me to speak with her, but I wanted to be able to deliver a nice story back to the list. Dummy me, even that was criticized here by some people. As for my shuttling visiting JMDL'ers around the town to the haunts, that's normal L.A. hospitality, but in retrospect has probably been a very naive and foolish approach on my part that will most definitely discontinue. > J: Nothing really wrong with you at all, Kakki. You're just a big > brown-noser. I thought I was the only one that thought so, but Robbie said > the same thing. Gee, I should be so lucky to have ever gotten that close. Adios, Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #103 ***************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?