From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #98 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, February 17 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 098 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The new album: A Latecomer ["H.D. Motyl" ] Re: The Genius Of Joni Mitchell - one liner ["cassy" ] Re: Deleted Joni - Xena, Starbucks - NJC for the luvvagod ["Helen M. Adco] Re: Tax Free ["Helen M. Adcock" ] A strange kind of Blue ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Madonna? (still NJC) (El Paso, too) [Brian Gross ] NJC: Tape Tree Reissues Outbound! ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] VLJC: Madonna Does Joni? [NathanLaFraneer@aol.com] Re: A strange kind of Blue [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:44:08 -0800 (PST) From: "H.D. Motyl" Subject: The new album: A Latecomer I got the album the day it was released, paid 40 some bucks for it. I was so looking forward to the "original lithographs" suitable for framing. One CD+Four postcards+43 bucks= one pissed off customer I feel completely ripped off. I had to look up in the dictionary what a lithograph is just make sure I wasn't crazy. And maybe these fit into the (loose) definition of one, but they are not suitable for framing--and even if you think they are, are they really worth 30 extra dollars? (The photos in the special edition Night Ride Home are far superior--in quality and content--and that cost less than ten dollars more.) I love her music (altho I am a bit lukewarm on this CD) but this packaging is just not right. What the hell am I supposed to do with that hat box now? This may be material that has already been covered. (I can't believe there aren't scads of diehard fans who felt taken on this one.) But I had to vent some steam. What a scam. Howard M. PS Larry Klein in the liner notes talks about the "unique" idea for an album of starting at the beginning of an affair and following it all the way through to the breakup and end. This is not unique. Abbey Lincoln did it on her album "Affair" and that was first released in the fifties. I'm sure there are others. ===== Howard Motyl Director Creative Development SCPTV Worldwide 400 North May Street Suite 201 Chicago, Illinois 60622 312.421.7711 312.421.7714 Fax __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:56:36 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: The Genius Of Joni Mitchell - one liner I would have loved to check out your site Jason, but you didn't include the URL! Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:25:58 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Grandfather's Clock In a message dated 2/16/00 3:30:10 PM US Central Standard Time, lworster@taconic.net writes: << Call it wishful thinking, call me nuts... or whatever... but there sure are a LOT of "coincidences" that happen- especially around music. >> I'm certainly not going to call you nuts. The older I get, the LESS I believe in coincidence! Thanks for your lovely post, Linda. I'm sure your Dad has "heard" you performing this song and it's warmed his heart! Bob NP: The Roots, "Adrenaline!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:44:41 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The new album: A Latecomer NJC In a message dated 2/16/00 5:48:46 PM US Central Standard Time, howard_scptv@yahoo.com writes: << One CD+Four postcards+43 bucks= one pissed off customer >> Howard, your math seems to be in error. Shouldn't it be MINUS 43 bucks? :~) Bob NP: The Roots, "The Spark" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:25:29 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Joni's "God" notes "Every kiss was sweet and strong, every touch was totally tandem" I think it's the alliteration, but I LOVE this line! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:33:26 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Deleted Joni - Xena, Starbucks - NJC for the luvvagod Catherine wrote: >I'm still mind-boggled by the fact that Starbucks is even in New Zealand - >is nothing sacred, or is Starbucks truly the evil empire? (What do you >suppose they *put* in that coffee?) Hey, waddya mean?! We joined the 20th century about 2 years ago - the fact that it's now the 21st, is totally beside the point! We've got McDonald's, Subway and Burger King! The less said about the Borders store just opened, the better (I think I've said enough about their sales staff!). We've even got a Planet Hollywood - but no Hard Rock Cafe (yet). There are several Starbucks around Auckland, but I think they're all relatively new - can't say I've been to one. We usually do the "Sunday brunch" thing at a nice cafe where you can get a mega-breakfast as well as coffee - eggs, bacon, sausages, tomatoes, hash browns, toast, etc., etc. Nothing like it for curing a hangover! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:41:01 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Tax Free Jerry said (about Rod Steiger's part on Tax Free): >It was recorded specifically for the record, unlike Jim Backus which was taken >from Rebel Without a Cause. I also love "Tax Free", actually most of DED is OK with me (even Smokin'!). Maybe 'cos I was a teenager of the 80's! But I had a weird moment the other day with the intro to Shadows and Light. I had been listening to S&L (on repeat), and stopped to go do something else just as the intro started again. I turned on the TV (out of interest) as I went past, and the same scene (James Dean and Jim Backus) was playing at that moment! Coincidence, or Joni serendipity at work again?! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:57:25 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: A strange kind of Blue Hi all I was chatting with a friend of mine the other day (the only friend I know who likes Joni) and he mentioned a copy of Blue that he owns that is rather unusual. It's vinyl, and everything looks fine, but both sides of the record are the same, ie. Side 1. The stickers are correct, Side 1 and Side 2, with the correct track listings, but he said the first time he played it (slightly under the influence of some illegal substances) he turned it over, played it, turned it over, played it, about 10 times before realising what the problem was! He said he kept thinking "Did I not turn it over, or did I turn it over twice, by mistake!?" Anyone else ever heard of anything like this, and is it rare enough to be valuable (he was just curious, he's not interested in selling)? Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:00:00 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Madonna? (still NJC) (El Paso, too) > > >From: Johnwe2@aol.com > > >Reply-To: Johnwe2@aol.com > > >To: Joni@smoe.org > > >Subject: Madonna? > > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:43:31 EST > > > > > > When did this become the Madonna discussion > > list? Please don't forget > > >NJC > - --- Don Rowe wrote: > I think that was right around the time that this > became the Politically Correct Express Sexual > Preference Framers Guild Critic Haters Jefferson > Airplane Nillson Ani DiFranco Dar Williams Lauyn Hill > Bruce Cockburn Plug Of The Week Straight Outing > Lucinda Williams CSNY Melissa's Baby Father Guitar > Shapes Alternate Tuning Jonatha Brooke discussion > list. ;-) Well, I'm glad to see Jonatha made the list! :-) Later, Brian (who still hasn't heard from any jmdlers in El Paso) ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:34:31 -0500 From: BarBearUh Subject: BSN defect solution? hiya joniphiles! i've been trying to catch up on this year's digests (seems impossible to me now 'cause you guys are so damn prolific!). hope you're all well and having a good time with the new record. i got to a bunch of posts about the packaging defect and am wondering if anyone has had any luck with replacements. i had a strange experience with mine. i played it once and it was fine. on second playing, it started skipping. i took it out of the player and took a look at it and couldn't believe how badly it was scratched up. i cleaned it a little and it seems to be ok, but i'm still not happy with this scratched costly copy. i'm wondering if there's a way to exchange the disc without having to ship the box back out or if there's a web site/email address that can be accessed for complaints. can anyone help? barbara np: ani difranco, to the teeth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:35:38 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: NJC: Tape Tree Reissues Outbound! News from Highland Heights, Kentucky, USA Neil Penwell and Frank Tortorici will be very glad to hear (read?) that their cassettes of the wildly uneven NYC Joni's Jazz Concert and a World Cafe appearance are on the way. Now I'm on to making Tape Tree #3 for Catherine Turley Jean-Pierre Pellerin Michael S. Brenneman Terry Bryant Reid in that order. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati np: "Snowbound" from Donald Fagan's Kamatiree or however you spell it. The new Steely Dan album is due to be released in 2 weeks. You can order in advance from CD Now using this link to help out the JMDL.com establishment. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:59:48 EST From: NathanLaFraneer@aol.com Subject: VLJC: Madonna Does Joni? Hi, my name is Ed, I am new to the list. Hello hello. Just a quick question, and an odd one: All week, I have been trying to think what song of Joni's that Madonna could do a cover of successfully. (If she can do American Pie ... she can surely do better than that!) I would appreciate it if I only got serious answers, and not people saying, "Who cares?" If you don't care, don't respond. The one song I would have a kick out of Madonna covering would be "Don Juan's Reckless daughter" but maybe Madonna wouldn't like it because of the words ... but she could sure do a lot with that beat. Any other ideas? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:52:44 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: A strange kind of Blue This kind of thing happens from time to time. Once I got a Who album that had somebody else on the other side. For whatever reason, these type of misspressings don't seem to have much value as collectibles. RR > > "Helen M. Adcock" wrote: > > > > Hi all > > > > I was chatting with a friend of mine the other day (the only friend I know > > who likes Joni) and he mentioned a copy of Blue that he owns that is rather > > unusual. It's vinyl, and everything looks fine, but both sides of the > > record are the same, ie. Side 1. The stickers are correct, Side 1 and Side > > 2, with the correct track listings, but he said the first time he played it > > (slightly under the influence of some illegal substances) he turned it over, > > played it, turned it over, played it, about 10 times before realising 10 times! Must have been some good shit! > what > > the problem was! He said he kept thinking "Did I not turn it over, or did I > > turn it over twice, by mistake!?" > > > > Anyone else ever heard of anything like this, and is it rare enough to be > > valuable (he was just curious, he's not interested in selling)? > > > > Hell > > _______________________________ > > "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with > > available extremes" - Carole King > > > > hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #98 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?