From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #86 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, February 11 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 086 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- BSN lithos [Scott Price ] A Wally moment -- PLEASE READ [Kate Tarasenko ] A Virgin Copy! [Richard Rice ] BSN [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] People's List [catman ] thoughts on BSN...NJC ["Amy" ] Re: A Virgin Copy! and Jack Nicholson (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: the Cure (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Got Mine! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: BSN lithos [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A Wally moment -- PLEASE READ NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A Wally moment -- PLEASE READ [luvart@snet.net] Re: Don Rowe's comments ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Cdnow ["Catherine McKay" ] 2nd in a Trilogy [Susan McNamara ] Re: the Cure (njc) - now Celine ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: BSN lithos ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: BSN lithos ["Catherine McKay" ] BSN ordering frustrations (SJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: BSN lithos NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Another Favorable Review of BSN [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: BSN lithos NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: BSN [Phyliss Ward ] RE: BSN lithos [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: BSN lithos [Jerry Notaro ] This lurker just has to say.... [LuvnMyWrld@aol.com] RE: BSN lithos [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: BSN lithos ["Catherine McKay" ] Joni online @ ENTERTAINDOM & ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: BSN lithos [TerryM2442@aol.com] Are we on Titanic ...? [Don Rowe ] Re: Are we on Titanic ...? NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: BSN lithos ["Reuben Bell" ] Come Back soon (NJC) ["Michael Paz" ] Re: A divergence of great minds NJC (was BSN lithos) ["rick novosel" ] RE: Jack & Joni [Susan McNamara ] Re: BSN lithos [catman ] Re: BSN package [w evans ] Re: BSN ordering frustrations (SJC) ["cassy" ] Both Sides Later. [Martin Giles ] The Photo on Billboard ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Joni quits songwriting!! [Susan McNamara ] Re: Joni Quits Sonwriting and Other Rock 'N Roll Myths ["Bill Dollinger" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:56:55 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: BSN lithos I've been studying the lithos which are enclosed with the limited edition "Both Sides Now" album and am even more jealous of those who were able to see the original paintings in person! :-) The painting that I'll call "If you want me, I'll be in the bar" is the reverse image of "Heart on her sleeve," the painting which is reported to be the cover art for the "regular" CD. It depicts Joni, seen from the back, sitting at a bar with lots of smoke curlicues from her cigarette, despite a graphic "No Smoking" sign that is posted behind the bar. Down in the corner we see a television set and on the screen is a stylized version of the "French Kiss" painting of Joni and Donald Freed. My interpretation is that Joni, defiant or maybe even oblivious of the "No Smoking" sign, has sidled up to the bar and is daydreaming of the kisses that she and Donald exchange, so much so that she replays this image in her mind and projects it right into the TV set. The other painting, "Heart on her sleeve," has been written about here before and I apologize for any duplication. There is a "cartoon coaster" at the base of Joni's elbow and a pen is situated nearby, no doubt to be used for "drawing a map of Canada." This beautiful painting, with the wistful and longing emotions wonderfully evident, adds even more meaning to the other painting, the companion "If you want me I'll be in the bar." Looking at both of them side by side the viewer sees the front, which is Joni, heart on sleeve, pensive, deep in thought, and then by shifting to the other painting, Joni's back, you can kind of see exactly what she's thinking of...she and her lover, in the blue TV screen light. Indeed, Both sides, now. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 01:19:28 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: A Wally moment -- PLEASE READ I, along with Mr. Chili, was wondering about a group cyber/online memorial for Wally, so I e-mailed Jim. Jim gave me permission to let the JMDL know that Wally's ashes will be scattered next Saturday, February 19, 2000 at noon (Pacific Standard Time). This day is also Kilauren Gibb's birthday (Joni's daughter), as well as a full moon. This would be an opportune time of observance for all who wish to participate in a joint remembrance of Wally -- mark a moment of silence, say a prayer, light a candle, or whatever gesture moves you. I'll post this again as the time draws nearer the 19th. Jim has been working on the "BSN" page of the JMHP (as many of you have already discovered), as well as tons of other things over the past week, which has been understandably busy for him. He's also still accepting mail at . Thanks to Chili for his inquiring mind, and thanks always to Jim for his tireless efforts, especially now. Peace -- Kate in CO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 02:53:51 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: A Virgin Copy! Hi Bob! Glad to here you got a pristine copy of BSN. That's great! You are certainly deserving, in my book. When I speak to the man upstairs I will thank him for looking out for you. Isn't the new cover of BSN just one of the most amazing tracks Joni has put down? It ranks in the top five, next to Hejira and Circle Game. Beautiful beyond belief. Don't complain that you had to pry your disk loose, it is THE reason you got yours without the scratches and skipping. Would that we were all so lucky that our cd's were pressed into that silly shallow piece of molding. I have emailed CDNow asking to return my disk, and still no reply. I suspect they are being swamped with returns, as are many other places. Just think, Jack Nicholson probably only got one or two disks that worked... all the rest, he'll have to return just like the rest of us. John. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 01:09:52 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: BSN Hi Y'all! I'm going to forego trying to write a review for BSN because so many of you have written so eloquently already. But I, too, love this CD!!! Can't state a single favorite track because they each sound so wonderful, but Answer Me, My Love, in particular, tends to make me weak in the knees. I'm totally blown away with the whole project! My expectations were high, but OH WOW!!! But there's something else that's satisfying about BSN to me. I'll call it the Mom Factor. Like so many others, Joni has been a huge part of my life for over 25 years. Joni was about all I played when I was still living at home, and although my mom always liked Night In The City, Chelsea Morning, Paprika Plains and for some unexplainable reason Talk To Me ;-), she never saw my insatiable attraction to Joni's music. She just didn't get it, ya know? She was probably just too busy raising us kids to indulge herself in listening to all those profound lyrics of Joni's, like I did. I grew up listening to my moms favorites, Glenn Miller, Elvis Presley's gospel records, Perry Como, Ray Charles, Herb Albert, Mantovani, Henry Mancini, and albums from movie musicals. (Thank God, they weren't into country! ;-) Mom really does love music and would bounce around the house when I would put on someone like George Benson or Bonnie Raitt for a change of pace from Joni. So anyway, even though BSN is a romantic record, I think the reason I've been getting so weepy during the song BSN, of course the last track, is because Joni has finally put out an album that not only my mom will also go gah-gah over and connect with, (she loved Joni doing Stormy Weather from the benefit concert, btw) but probably more so, that she's still around for me to share this with her. "Tears and fears and feeling proud, to say I love you right out loud"....I was 38 when I could finally say "I love you" right out loud to my mom. side note.......(She would scold me for impractically if I gave her the limited edition, so I'll get her the regular CD. ;-) In the same respect, I can see Myrtle taking BSN around to her friend's homes in Saskatoon, "This is our Joan. Isn't it wonderful! She really is as good as everybody has been saying for all these years!" I think the thought of that picture brings tears to my eyes as much as thinking about my own mom. I'm so thrilled Joni did this album now, before more of our moms and dads are gone. Peace Penny PS Did everyone notice in the BSN credits, both Joni's and Larry's parents were thanked for playing the right music in their homes. ;-) :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:53:07 +0000 From: catman Subject: People's List All the people on this list They've got a lot of guile They've got ISP's in many countries They've got PC files Some are friendly Some are cutting Some are lurking in the wings Receiving it for nothing flaming writers get attention till the fire dies down there's a home on this list making others frown one minute their so happy happy then they're crying on their keys saying my opinion and yours you know its the same thing i told you when I joined I was crazy crazy as you all crazy for Joni on the net knowing she's somebody les behind this list and so bold wally behind her fans and me rarely silent thinking I understand I feel like i'm dreaming don't you wake me you seem to have a broader view i'm just living on nerves and reeling from the strong and crazy minds and writing to this list messing with my mind i wish we had more sense of humour keeping the flames at bay throwing a joke on all these things laughing it all away laughing it all away laughing it all away - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:46:46 -0500 From: "Amy" Subject: thoughts on BSN...NJC Hello to all, After hearing all the bad news about the condition of listers CD's, I cancelled my order with Reprise and then sat and stewed about not having the CD. I called my local record stores and found a copy of BSN at Dearborn Music (Terry...are you seeing this?) and dashed over...the store manager was very nice and let me open the box and listen in the store before I bought it. I listened to a few tracks and jumped around a bit, making sure other tracks were ok. I couldn't wait to get into the car and there I sat, in the parking lot, having a major "Joni-moment"...I love the CD, and have kept it in the player since I bought it. (Total was $38.00, with a 20% off coupon.) Whoever said this is grown up music was right! In fact, I left it in the player yesterday with a few other CD's while I worked on a client...(massage therapist, BTW). Anyway, my client said, who is this singing and where can I get this CD? It would be perfect for Valentines Day...so maybe another convert into our masses! I also wanted to express my sympathy to all of the people who were close to Wally and those of us who only knew his incredibly warm spirit through the website. I know he will be greatly missed. Take care, Amy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:51:02 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: A Virgin Copy! and Jack Nicholson (NJC) John writes: << Just think, Jack Nicholson probably only got one or two disks that worked... all the rest, he'll have to return just like the rest of us. >> I can just see the Tower Records employee's face when Jack Nicholson pries open the door like he did in "The Shining" and says: Heeeeere's Johnny! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:07:40 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: the Cure (njc) <> Thanks for the heads up on this one E! I can always count on Smith and the boys to put out a quality product. I'm also foaming at the lips about the new Steely Dan this month! As far as your new Buckingham-Nicks fix, I thought I took care of that one for a bit! ;~) Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "Put Your Hand Inside the Puppet Head" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:12:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Got Mine! <> Thanks Eric, and after I posted I DID discover the little indent where you can remove the disc, so I unregister (my new word for the day) my complaint. And I seriously enjoyed cranking it up last night and letting this orchestration cover me like butterscotch. My families' first inpressions: Wife: "It's pretty" Son: "Who's she frenching in this picture?" Bob NP: Linda Ronstadt, "Justine" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:24:56 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN lithos <> And I had almost the opposite first take on the paintings; they look to me like some of old paint by numbers kits people used to do. She uses some nice colors, but if she wasn't "Joni Mitchell", these paintings would never be seen by the public aside from showing up in a yard sale. I'm awfully glad she has a hobby, but sincerely hope she never quits what she's best at and what she seems truly inspired to do, painting with words and music. Bob NP: Linda Ronstadt, "Talking In The Dark" (I'm a Ronstadt fan, but listening to her sing Costello songs is like Joan Baez singing "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:36:09 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Wally moment -- PLEASE READ NJC <> Brian Gross, don't get ANY ideas! ;~D PS: Kate, this is a wonderful idea and I intend on participating. Bob NP: Randy Newman, "My Country" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:49:43 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: A Wally moment -- PLEASE READ Thanks for posting this Kate. I think it is a great idea. Heather At 01:19 AM 2/11/00 +0000, Kate Tarasenko wrote: >I, along with Mr. Chili, was wondering about a group cyber/online >memorial for Wally, so I e-mailed Jim. > >Jim gave me permission to let the JMDL know that Wally's ashes will be >scattered next Saturday, February 19, 2000 at noon (Pacific Standard >Time). This day is also Kilauren Gibb's birthday (Joni's daughter), as >well as a full moon. This would be an opportune time of observance for >all who wish to participate in a joint remembrance of Wally -- mark a >moment of silence, say a prayer, light a candle, or whatever gesture >moves you. > >I'll post this again as the time draws nearer the 19th. > >Jim has been working on the "BSN" page of the JMHP (as many of you have >already discovered), as well as tons of other things over the past week, >which has been understandably busy for him. He's also still accepting >mail at . > >Thanks to Chili for his inquiring mind, and thanks always to Jim for his >tireless efforts, especially now. > >Peace -- >Kate in CO > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:06:05 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Don Rowe's comments >"______'s new release, _______, the most significant >album since Joni Mitchell's Blue" -- Fill in the >blanks with your choice of this year's trendiest >galwriter and her new album -- then don't believe a >word of it. > >Hear, Hear! > >I'm TIRED of that comparison.....it's shallow, more than a little >sexist, and yet another attempt by the record industry to categorize an >artist as singular. Here's another Amen to that, brother(s) (and sisters). Isn't it ironic how every female singer/songwriter is compared to Joni and yet, no one (except for some VERY special people!) seem to have a clue who Joni is? How much do music critics get paid? I want that job. Sounds like fun. Being paid to do what you LIKE to do all day. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:07:28 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Cdnow >CdNow has BSN for 30% off (forgive me if this has already been >posted). With a $10 off coupon that comes to $24.98. > They're probably re-selling all the scratched ones that are being returned! ;] Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:16:08 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: 2nd in a Trilogy excerpt from the Billboard article: >The next project will feature Mitchell's music in a symphonic setting. "You >know, it will be stuff like ["Judgement Of The Moon And Stars (Ludwig's >Tune)"]," from 1972's "For The Roses." I had to do it low budget with just >one violin player originally. So it would be a thrill to take material and >orchestrate it for a big orchestra." The ramifications of this statement are mindbending!! awesome!! You're my thrill, joan!! :-) ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:19:37 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: the Cure (njc) - now Celine Evian writes: the >Celine Dion "I've just had my baby with my Grandfather/Husband" album >will ... be released before my BSN arrives... I'm waiting for Celine Dion's "How can we miss you if you don't leave farewell tour" CD. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 06:46:34 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: BSN lithos > Bob > > NP: Linda Ronstadt, "Talking In The Dark" (I'm a Ronstadt fan, but listening to her sing Costello songs is like Joan Baez singing "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" Oh! So you like it, I guess..... ;-) Mark in Seattle (who likes Joan's version of 'The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down', never could and still can't figure out what's so great about Elvis Costello but always kinda liked Linda's version of 'Allison' - so go figure) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:07:06 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: BSN lithos > > NP: Linda Ronstadt, "Talking In The Dark" (I'm a Ronstadt fan, but >listening to her sing Costello songs is like Joan Baez singing "The >Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" > >Oh! So you like it, I guess..... >;-) >Mark in Seattle (who likes Joan's version of 'The Night They Drove Old >Dixie Down', never could and still can't figure out what's so great >about Elvis Costello but always kinda liked Linda's version of >'Allison' - so go figure) Whoa, Mark - ain't you the nasty one! I like Joan's AND The Band's versions of The Night... I can understand how people might not like Joan B - lots of vibrato in her voice, which isn't one of my favourite things. I actually prefer her versions of a lot of Bob Dylan's stuff - at least you can understand the words! (Good ol' mumbly Bob!) Love Elvis Costello - you may think he has a weird voice (he does), but you've got to listen to his lyrics - they are so witty. His music is very good too which, if you can't take his voice, you might not appreciate unless someone else is singing it. His early stuff recalls Randy Newman who was, I think, one of Elvis' (aka Declan McManus') influences. I can take Linda or leave her - depends on what she's singing. Sometimes she's sublime, sometimes just a wee skite too much. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:07:59 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: BSN ordering frustrations (SJC) Sorry if there've been a lot of posts whining about unarrived or damaged BSN orders, cuz here comes another one! I ended up ordering another copy from CDNow and I hope that it comes through ok. I spoke with my favorite local record store and they never had any in. Living in the hills, there are no B&N or Borders around every corner. Though I prefer it that way usually, I found myself wishing I could hop over to one of those shrines of consumerism and easily locate a copy of BSN, perhaps even having the clerk look through each package so as to avoid getting a damaged copy, as some of you have described doing. If I"m fortunate enough to even *get* a copy, I'll keep it regardless of CD damage (as long as the lithos are in good shape, etc.) and replace the disk with a general release copy in March. Ordinarily, I would send it back and say to hell with it...siiigh...the things we do for Joni. Thank you, Penny, very much for being so considerate in emailing me with the address of your vendor. I think I'll wait and see if either Reprise (yeah, right like Jerry said) or CDNow come through. I'm also putting my friends out on the mission of checking their local retail outlets for it. To add insult to injury, I went to the BSN site today to check out the audio clips and could not connect with them through the RealPlayer thingie. Yeeeeeeesh...I wanna hear the music, damn it! Just a note to Ashara to say thanks for setting up the fund to help out JoniMtchell.com. And in regard to the CD copy of A Day In The Garden, I would have jumped on the opportunity but I was fortunate enough to win a copy at the raffle done at JoniFest. I think it was Catgirl who did that one up for donation to the raffle. I love it soooo much! So...you guys who don't have a copy - get on it - it's a "must-have". Hell, I'd love to have everything of Joni's - all the tape trees, video, etc. but time and money don't allow and I get a bit overwhelmed with receiving so much stuff all at once! I lose track of what and whom I've sent blanks to...I guess I'm just too busy and sometimes too broke to get in on everything I'm interested in! Slowly but surely, I'll be hitting up some of you for copies of tape trees and video trees I don't yet have. Bob M. can you send me a copy of an email you once sent out to the JMDL with a list of all the tape trees and their contents? I would appreciate it a lot! Hope everyone is doing great and thanks to those of you who emailed wondering where I've been! Feels good to be missed! I'm truly doing great...just incredibly busy and early this week my 11 year-old daughter Ursula broke her leg skiing, so there is that added complication! She's going out of her tree!!! If anyone likes kids and wants to email her, she's bored out of her mind and would love to get mail with anything of interest to a very bright 11 year old. If you have kids with favorite web sites, please share them or stories, poems, etc.Please be sure to let her know you are from the JMDL. Her address is Ursi1@aol.com. She loves Joni, by the way (but wishes she would stop smoking!) Take care, Gina NP: I Want It Back - Shawn Colvin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:35:11 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN lithos NJC Mark said: <> I appreciated the wink on THAT one! You should have reached out for a Lifeline...you'll never be a Millionaire guessing that way...:~) <> I'll save the Elvis dissertation for a rainy day, but just about every thing I like about Joni I like about Elvis - emotive vocals, clever & unique approach to songwriting, chameleonic in his artistic growth. But as always, to each his own... Bob NP: Nilsson, "1941" (Very cool to find out that Wally was also a big Harry Nilsson fan) Really, Harry set the "standard" for Pop/Rock singers doing Standards records, way back in the 70's. If you dig BSN and haven't heard "A Little Touch of Schmilsson in the Night", you have a treat in store... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:43:46 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Another Favorable Review of BSN This review of BSN is in our local paper today, but I have no idea what wire service it's from. It's short and favorable: Jimmy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- Joni Mitchell "Both Sides Now" There's something oddly compelling about this waltz down memory lane. Interpreting 10 jazz-pop standards and revisiting two of her own songs ("A Case of You" and "Both Sides Now"), Mitchell reminds us what a brilliant singer she can be. It's impossible not to miss the Billie Holiday-isms that creep into her singing in "Stormy Weather" or "At Last." But Mitchell's own jazzy, idiosyncratic voice shines through as she moves from the fluttery highs of "You've Changed" to the low, almost masculine rumblings of "Answer Me, My Love." Recorded with the 70-piece London Symphony Orchestra, "Both Sides Now" could pass for the lush soundtrack to some '40s Hollywood love tale. Mitchell is even releasing a specially designed boxed version of "Both Sides Now" in time for Valentine's Day (the CD's official release date is Mach 21). Yet while the theme of the CD is romance, this is no mere puppy-love story. An ominous piano motif makes "At Last" ring out like a warning bell at a train crossing, and the singer paints "Both Sides Now" four shades darker than her 1968 original. Mitchell's 20th album might be a retro mood piece. But its mood brims with all the complicated textures and subtle shades you'll find on any Joni Mitchell disc. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:50:48 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: BSN lithos NJC Bob writes: >NP: Nilsson, "1941" (Very cool to find out that Wally was also a big Harry >Nilsson fan) > >Really, Harry set the "standard" for Pop/Rock singers doing Standards >records, way back in the 70's. If you dig BSN and haven't heard "A Little >Touch of Schmilsson in the Night", you have a treat in store... Bob, thanks for reminding me of "A little touch of Schmilsson". I must get that on CD - it is truly wonderful. What a voice that guy had! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:01:00 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: BSN Penny wrote: > But there's something else that's satisfying about BSN to me. I'll call > it the Mom Factor. Oh Penny, I know what you mean! May father arrives for a visit this evening and I can't wait to play it for him! Last time he was here I told him she had recorded Stormy Weather and he actually asked to hear it - he loves that song. I had not received the original live version at that time so I could not play it. This should be a real treat for him! > -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:04:07 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: BSN lithos Bob said: > And I had almost the opposite first take on the paintings; > they look to me like some of old paint by numbers kits people > used to do. > She uses some nice colors, but if she wasn't "Joni Mitchell", > these paintings would never be seen by the public aside from > showing up in a yard sale. I have to agree with Bob about Joni's art. She'll never have much of an impact on the art world. Unlike one of her idols, Georgia O'Keeffe, she doesn't bring new ideas or techniques to her painting. And, unlike someone like Freda Kahlo (sp?), who also did many self-portraits, her art doesn't have an 'edge' to it. Sometimes I'm surprised at how 'nice' the paintings are, with no rawness to them at all. To tell the truth, I find them rather bland. ...move over Bob, if there's still room in that tiny lifeboat ;-) ... Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:17:21 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: BSN lithos Anne Sandstrom wrote: > I have to agree with Bob about Joni's art. She'll never have much of an > impact on the art world. Unlike one of her idols, Georgia O'Keeffe, she > doesn't bring new ideas or techniques to her painting. And, unlike someone > like Freda Kahlo (sp?), who also did many self-portraits, her art doesn't > have an 'edge' to it. Sometimes I'm surprised at how 'nice' the paintings > are, with no rawness to them at all. To tell the truth, I find them rather > bland. > > ...move over Bob, if there's still room in that tiny lifeboat ;-) ... Make room in that boat for me, Anne. I have several artist friends whom I consider geniuses in their fields. They adore Joni, and consider her a great songwriter, a great lyricist, a great musician, a great singer, and a competent artist. I'd have to agree, and add that I like her art work a whole lot. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:38:56 EST From: LuvnMyWrld@aol.com Subject: This lurker just has to say.... I was almost prepared to wait for the March release ( I know--foolish thinking). But couldn't help myself and ran out and paid top dollar--ouch!. I am just amazed. simply amazed. You name it---goosebumps, tears and hair standing up on the back of my neck---I am there!..Feeling a bit unworthy --of all of you...to post my humble---"only experiencing Joni for 5 years" opinion. But all the wonderful posts at the depth and richness of BSN--ditto! Thanks again Amy for showing me the way to "Heaven" Blessed be~ Kelly ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:40:15 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: BSN lithos Phyllis said: >She specifically says that she now paints for herself - to decorate her home - - >a piece for over the couch - a snapshot of a memory for herself. I guess that would make her more of an illustrator in a sense. And I think it's a fair assessment of her work of late. Thanks for the clarification, Phyllis. I'd be dismayed to think that Joni fancied herself an avant-garde artist. Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:47:21 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: BSN lithos OK, so Joni'll never make it as an artist. That means she shouldn't quit her day job... Which means - MORE MUSIC, JONI, PLEASE!!! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:49:11 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Joni online @ ENTERTAINDOM & ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY While surfing on FreeRide (for my FREE Gift Certificates!!!) a window popped-up for Entertaindom.......so I clicked-on it to get my points and the page that came-in caught my eye because there was a link to a review on BOTH SIDES NOW - JONI MITCHELL. I clicked on it and there was the review from Entertainment Weekly with a really nice color picture of Joni with a Rose between her teeth. Here it is: http://warnerbros.entertaindom.com/pages/music/music_reviews.jsp?oid=536905557 Then I did a search on ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY and under MUSIC REVIEWS got a paragraph with the same picture but with a caption attached. Go to: http://www.pathfinder.com/ew/review/music/0,1683,1109,bothsidesnow.html You can also post your reviews of BOTH SIDES NOW on this page. I've been reading the posts about what to do about the new boxed set. I too ordered from Reprise thinking I'd be one of the first to get BSN. I've been racking my brain and going back and forth as to what I should do next. Last night I decided to buy from CDNow after reading over everyone's posts and checking out the online record stores....but then could NOT find ANY coupons. I spent over an hour looking everywhere for some of these online coupons. It's the first time I couldn't find any!!!!!!! I was so disappointed so did not order from CD Now and just went to bed. Earlier that day I had had entered LUCKYSURF... just to clean up their reminder emails from my mailbox..... hadn't entered for over a week and a half. Well........my mouth dropped when I opened my email this morning and had won a $10 Gift Certificate for CDNOW from Lucky Surf from my one entry yesterday!! I'm taking this as a sign I had made the right decision the night before. And just hope, hope, hope I get one of those few CDs that plays!! Laura **** FREEBIES (and NJC) BELOW Mylanta sample http://www.jnj-merck.com/Mylanta/freesamp.htm I could have used a swig of this last night when I was getting indigestion over what to do about BSN and CDNOW! Yep, think we all need some of this! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:50:52 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN lithos In a message dated 2/11/2000 11:08:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, asandstrom@allaire.com writes: << ...move over Bob, if there's still room in that tiny lifeboat ;-) ... >> Save me a seat. ; X Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:08:19 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Are we on Titanic ...? Seems there's a scramble for lifeboats, as one jmdler after another crowds on to escape the sinking ship of Joni's potential as an artist -- let's see, we have around 650 or so passengers ... Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:29:41 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Are we on Titanic ...? NJC <> Lucky for us I work in a Kayak factory! Maybe I can get us a volume discount! LOL!!! Bob NP: Nilsson, "Without Her" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:39:48 PST From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: RE: BSN lithos I somewhat agree with this (what the hell...I think I'm the only one who still puts "Blue" at the lower end of my favorite Joni album list). However, I think that some of Joni's paintings are quite striking. The BNS self-portrait is one of these to me. I thought that some of the TTT portraits were kind of cutsey. I'd actually like to see an exhibit of Joni's work. Album covers never to justice to the originals. Reuben Sometimes I'm surprised at how 'nice' the paintings >are, with no rawness to them at all. To tell the truth, I find them rather >bland. > >...move over Bob, if there's still room in that tiny lifeboat ;-) ... > >Anne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:30:23 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Come Back soon (NJC) Brett- Sorry you are not gonna be able to join us for JoniFest2000 in N.O., we will miss you. Good luck on your journey and don't forget to resubscribe as soon as you can. Peace Michael From: "Brett Code" Subject: Going to Ghana - njc Hi all, I've been even quieter than usual these days, as I've been busy packing up my stuff, selling my house and car, and finding a place for my plants. I leave on Sunday, so I won't even be a lurker until I set up my email in Ghana, probably sometime in March. In case you are interested in a little bio and photo, the local Calgary paper ran an article on me and my new job today. You can find it on the internet at : www.calgaryherald.com/news/stories/000210/3574157.html I'll be unsubscribing Friday. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:03:27 -0800 From: "rick novosel" Subject: Re: A divergence of great minds NJC (was BSN lithos) Bob wrote: >> NP: Linda Ronstadt, "Talking In The Dark" (I'm a Ronstadt fan, but >> listening to her sing Costello songs is like Joan Baez singing "The >> Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" And Mark answered: > Oh! So you like it, I guess..... > ;-) > Mark in Seattle (who likes Joan's version of 'The Night They Drove Old > Dixie Down', never could and still can't figure out what's so great > about Elvis Costello but always kinda liked Linda's version of > 'Allison' - so go figure) To which I reply: Bob wins on the Baez comment: Such an embarrassment, she couldn't even get the words rights. Mark wins on the Elvis Costello comment: Critic's darling, popular ho-hum. And I add: After Joni, Linda Ronstadt's voice is my number one goose bump enducer (?) and I'd choose to listen to her sing Allison or Girl Talk any day over Elvis singing Watching the Detectives one more time on Classic Rock radio. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:04:20 -0800 From: "rick novosel" Subject: BSN lithos Bob bravely opined: > And I had almost the opposite first take on the paintings; they look to me > like some of old paint by numbers kits people used to do. > She uses some nice colors, but if she wasn't "Joni Mitchell", these > paintings would never be seen by the public aside from showing up in a yard sale. > > I'm awfully glad she has a hobby, but sincerely hope she never quits what > she's best at and what she seems truly inspired to do, painting with words > and music. In the midst of all this BSN deluxe-set gushing, Bob pours a bucket of ice-cold water over everyone;-). While I think her paintings are somewhat above the paint-by-number category, I do agree that her music is by far the most inspired outlet for her creative drive. Maybe it's a result of having produced music at the expense of her visual art for all these years and now she just needs to concentrate on painting without having to call a piece finished in order to ensure her latest CD has cover art. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:14:50 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: Jack & Joni here are some snippets from articles off the JMDL about Joni & Jack: =========================== From People Magazine 1985: The latest thing in Mitchell's soul seems likely to put her back on the airwaves and the charts. Her new album, Dog Eat Dog, combines sophisticated synthesizer sounds and the most political lyrics she has ever written (on Ethiopia, evangelists, yuppie materialism). With synth bands like A-Ha at the top and political rock everywhere, Mitchell is suddenly back in step. Critics have found the album variously striking, original and artificial, but her friend James Taylor, who sings background vocals on Dog Eat Dog, thinks Mitchell is back in her musical home, even though it's been redecorated. "Her music isn't whimsical, transitory or momentary," Taylor says. "When I worked on her album, I said to myself, 'That's the stuff.'" Another longtime Mitchell fan, Jack Nicholson, loves her work precisely because it keeps changing. "It's very easy to repeat past successes," he says. "Joni hasn't done it, and that takes a lot of strength." If some critics find her musically inconsistent, her friends praise her for her continuing enthusiasm. "She keeps good, loyal friendships," says Nicholson, who claims she has been yakking his ear off for years about her passion for ice skating. She stays in touch with secretaries from record companies, and the folks at the coffee shop near her home in L.A. greet her like one of the gang. On the rare occasions when she goes out, she wants to dance all night. "What I like about her," says Nicholson, "is that she kind of dresses up cute. When she goes out, she makes an effort. She's a sweetie." =================== Musician Magazine, March 1988 The "Barbie doll," the "airbrushed angel" Henley pursues in "Snakes and Ladders" is a stereotype who's appeared before in Joni Mitchell songs. Does Mitchell lack patience with women who overvalue glamor? "Well gee," she says. "I've been one of those women. If I'm knocking them I'm knocking myself. People tend to make generalities out of some of my specifics. I feel bad for the airbrushed girl, too. That's what society has done to us. I wept the first time I went to Hugh Hefner's. I went to Hefner's one night with Jack Nicholson and Warren Beatty. The three of us had been out to dinner together. All these girls came up to me, and if their ass was their best feature they stuck it forward. 'Hi!' they said and they stuck their bum out. 'Hi!' they said and they stuck their tits out. I felt so bad for these girls. At a certain point I just decided to sneak away. And I ran out of gas in the driveway! They were running with jerry cans to get me out of there - I couldn't get out fast enough - and I burst into tears. ==================== Rolling Stone, March 1997 interview with Morrissey In England, feminism is very unpopular at the moment. It was ineffective from the beginning. I remember when the word first came up. As a matter of fact, Warren Beatty and Jack Nicholson and I used to go out at the time for dinner quite a bit, and they were amused that I'd never heard about the feminists. I was kind of a media dropout. I was lucky if I could name the president. I was much more inner-world oriented. ==================== Sunday Telegraph, February 1998 Joni Mitchell was the consummate "hippy chick", Annie Hall meets urban-cowgirl, with a haunting beauty that intrigued many famous lovers, from David Crosby, Graham Nash and Stephen Stills to James Taylor, Jack Nicholson and Warren Beatty. ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ < "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 18:25:13 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: BSN lithos I know nothing about art, only what i am moved by. Joni's Van Gough portrait(I knew enought to know who she was copying) I think is excellent. it caught my eye back in 94 at Piccadilly Circus underground station, outside Tower. As a result I went in and bought my first Joni since DJRD. Having very much liked TI, I went back and bought everything else that i didn't have. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:37:57 -0500 (EST) From: w evans Subject: Re: BSN package I suppose I'm very lucky, because my BSN (purchased at Spin Street Music in Buckhead, Atlanta) was in perfect condition---- but also, the disc was very firmly planted in its holder, and was actuallly a bit difficult to get out, and so I am rather surprised at all these loose discs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:56:21 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: BSN ordering frustrations (SJC) From: Ginamu@aol.com >If I"m fortunate enough to even *get* a copy, I'll keep it regardless of CD >damage (as long as the lithos are in good shape, etc.) and replace the disk >with a general release copy in March Does anyone know whether the art on the general release disc, itself, will be the same as the Limited Edition Box disc? Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:33:44 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: Both Sides Later. I have never been one to go for the 'special edition' of an album. I think I've always had a very single minded approach to music. Right from my early spotty youthdome, I'd buy the records and go to the gigs to hear the music. Deep Purple could have been grey haired and two feet tall for all I cared. Just as long as they made that sound for me. Joni's music is so much a part of herself that I have found it harder to make the distinction with her. But even with her I haven't deliberately gone out to read much about her in books or on the web site. It occurred to me recently when thinking about all the eager anticipation on the list for this new album, that I wasn't really that excited about it, certainly not enough to get the limited edition release. I think the reason for this is that I've come to love Joni most when the orchestration in her music is simple. Preferably just her and her guitar, but a small band is fine. For instance her rendition of Just Like This Train on the PWWAM video is for me a thousand times better than the original studio/band version. Now she has surrounded herself with big band and orchestra and it's going in the wrong direction for me. I guess the orchestral arrangements, like the hatbox and lithographs are all superfluous for me, (I realise I'm prejudging the album), and it's ironic that lots of you who have spent their hard earned cash on the special edition have got a lot of wonderful packaging, but can't play the music :-( I hope you all get a proper replacement, and soon! But I'll wait for the 'ordinary' edition of the CD. I'll buy it because I love Joni, and in the end I'm sure I'll fall in love with the album, but I'll have to make some 'personal adjustments' first! atb, Martin. PS. Can anyone tell me who the arrangers, engineers and producers are on the album? (Superflous information I know, but I'm trying to get in the spirit of things. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:59:51 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: The Photo on Billboard Hello Bill and all The photo came from the PWWAM recordings. It is of Joni but I think it's a retouched photo straight from the tv screen type image. When TTT came out a reviewer in a British Magazine used that photo to advertise the review and underneath it he had the caption 'One of her songs is called 'Facelift' which I thought was pretty irreverent and English. It was a good review, if I remember. But it is Joni, looking FABULOUS!!! Jamie Zoob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:07:16 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Joni quits songwriting!! I think that was a publicity shot for the spring/summer 98 tour. I thought it didn't even look like Joni, like they had airbrushed all her features away! And I thought it looked like Kilauren, too. Great minds think alike, Bill!! :-) >Where did they get that photo? > >my initial impression when it came up was >that it was kilauren!! > >bill > > ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:46:11 -0500 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: Joni Quits Sonwriting and Other Rock 'N Roll Myths And don't forget Celine Dion's endless promises to give us all a break by retiring. 6 tv appearances and several magazine covers later, her heart still goes on and on and on.... bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rowe To: Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 1:07 PM Subject: Joni Quits Sonwriting and Other Rock 'N Roll Myths > Hearing yet again, in the recent Billboard that Joni > is "quitting songwriting", got me to thinking about > this, and other rock 'n roll myths ... in no > particular order: > > The Who Farewell Tour -- have there, or have there not > been more sequels on this theme than "Friday the > 13th"? > > Mick Jagger Settles Down -- Mick's not blind yet, so > don't put any money on this one anytime soon. > > Beatles Reunion Tour -- John Lennon's tragic murder > has done remarkably little to silence this persistent > rumor ... McCartney et al are still answering this > banal question in interviews. > > Lindsey Buckingham To Release New Solo Album -- I > prefer Peter Gabriel's approach on his website "Album? > What album?". At least he's honest ... > > The Artist to perform 1999 for the last time -- Since > this was big draw for his 2000 PAY-per-view ... you > can't help but think that somebody, somewhere will > find the necessary cash to get this ditty played at > LEAST one more time. > > "______'s new release, _______, the most significant > album since Joni Mitchell's Blue" -- Fill in the > blanks with your choice of this year's trendiest > galwriter and her new album -- then don't believe a > word of it. > > There are other out there ... I look for at least one > more set of original compositions from Joni -- she > doesn't strike me as an artist who can quit. Let's > hope I'm right. > > Don Rowe > > > > > > ===== > "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #86 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?