From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #82 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 9 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 082 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Some words for Wally [Adriano Lucatello ] Another broken BSN (don't try this at home) [Catherine Turley ] Re: House of the Rising Sun NJC [w evans ] BSN ["Ross, Les" ] Re: JONI SHEET MUSIC [Howard Wright ] Re: Joni Mitchell Companion [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: BSN/S&L NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] BSN - A Case of You and more... ["Ross, Les" ] Re: Joni Mitchell Companion [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Bounced too high/Joni on the Road/JF2000 info (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Rex Reed BSN Review ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: BSN ["Catherine McKay" ] Joni quits songwriting!! [Randy Remote ] Re: Another broken BSN (don't try this at home) [Randy Remote ] Re: BSN/S&L NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Reprise frustration [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: BSN ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Reprise frustration [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: House Of The Rising Sun NJC [Randy Remote ] Re:BSN [Johnwe2@aol.com] This is Hillary-ous (worth it NJC) [Don Rowe ] Why Joni doesn't move units ["rick novosel" ] RE: Why Joni doesn't move units [Anne Sandstrom ] This JUST in!!!!!! ["Michael Paz" ] Re: mother and child reunion [Susan McNamara ] The BSN Weather: Stormy or Tranquil?? ["Russell Bowden" ] Re: Reprise frustration [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni quits songwriting!! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] BSN [catman ] Another BSN tale o' woe ["Chuck EIsenhardt" ] J.Nicholson [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Another BSN tale o' woe [Joseph Davis ] Hello! [Joseph Davis ] Re: Joni quits songwriting!! [Deb Messling ] Dinged BSN's [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Both Sides Now, oh wow!! [Scott Price ] Both SIde Now [MGVal@aol.com] Reprise replies to my complaint letter [Deb Messling ] Re: This JUST in!!and Calling all Collectors! [Phyliss Ward Subject: Some words for Wally I learnt with lot of sadness about Wally's departure. For a sad twist of fate tomorrow morning I will be also present at another friend's funeral and these are the words I will say to his and our families, I will mentally convey this message to Wally and to all people who have to come to terms with a similar loss. This is the Italian version: O Signore, grazie per tutte le stagioni della nostra vita. Grazie per il bene che ci è concesso di fare, per le avversità che maturano il nostro carattere, per i sorrisi che rallegrano il nostro cuore, per le lacrime che svelano la vulnerabilità dei nostri tesori, per i canti che danno vitalità al nostro vivere, per i silenzi che creano spazi per te, per ogni primavera che ci apre alla vita nuova, per ogni inverno che ci plasma per le lunghe attese, per le conquiste che ci danno coraggio, per i disappunti che ci rendono umili. Grazie Signore, perchè tu ci ami. Facci sperimentare questo amore, aiutaci ad amare per vivere nella serenità. AMEN and my literal English translation: Oh Lord, thanks for all the seasons of our life Thanks for all the good that we are allowed to do, for the adversities which mature our character, for the smiles which make our hearts glad, for the tears which unveil the vulnerability of our treasures, for the songs which give life to our living, for the silences which make space for You, for every Spring which opens us to a new life, for every Winter which moulds for the long waits, for the conquests which give us courage, for the disappointments which makes us humble. Thanks Lord because You love us. Let us try this love, help us love so we could live in serenity. AMEN I also wish to convey a small thought which has been crossing my mind during my friend's peaceful departure, I thought that I will never leave any job unfinished (if I can), no love unsaid, no hurt feeling mended, no river uncrossed, no good spared. Life is so short and I want to live without regrets. I pray to be strong enough to accomplish all that in my short time. Adriano ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 02:23:28 -0700 From: Catherine Turley Subject: Another broken BSN (don't try this at home) Well, I'm joining the throng of the disappointed whose BSN was scratched and skipping in many places. I actually kind of like the packaging, but I couldn't bring myself to try to listen to the cd knowing it was skipping all over the place. However, there will be, I hope, a happy ending. I am currently gripped by a wood refinishing mania (a dresser, patio furniture, barbecue tong handles) and have sandpaper and varnish on the brain, so this is what I did to that $*#*% scratched BSN disc: Got out the ultra fine polishing steel wool (#000000 grain) and very very (may I emphasize VERY) lightly attacked the deepest scratches. Then polished the disc with a very soft polishing cloth. That took care of all the skips but on one track, so I used the polishing cloth some more and then sprayed the whole thing with lemon scented Endust (a no wax cleaning and dusting spray, for those of you without that particular brand.) Polished some more. This "fixed" the skips just long enough for me to burn a CDR copy that tests out perfect on the computer. Hope the sanding and Endust won't preclude a refund from B&N, and this strikes me as a very very bad way to treat your cds. I don't think I can recommend this method with a clear conscience, but heck, it worked. About to climb under the covers with the disc man and headphones, hoping the music will justify my walk on the wild side with the steel wool . . . . Catherine T. in AZ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 06:39:01 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Rex Reed BSN Review Wow! Where and when did this review appear? Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:57:46 -0500 (EST) From: w evans Subject: Re: House of the Rising Sun NJC It's a very old song, but the Animals almost certainly learned it from Bob Dylan's first album in 1961 (released in early 1962.) Where did Bob learn it from? I don't know, but my biggest hunches are that Leadbelly did it on his "Last Sessions," it's on the Weaver's Greatest Hits from 1957, and Joan Baez was already doing it in 1960. So, one of those. Although, I find it intriguing that Nina Simone did it at the Village Gate, one of Bob's hangouts, in 1961. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:20:16 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: BSN Thanks to Jamie for anouncing that BSN was available in HMV Oxford Street. After much wringing of hands and fretting over the cost (about 2 minutes worth - well I am Scottish, presbyterian and therefore self indulgence strictly frowned upon :-) ) I took the five minute walk to the store and bought the package. Alerted further by the posts about the condition in which people were receiving their CDs, I openned the box there and then. Needless to say it was scratched to hell and back. I got them to replace the Disk but they had to open three boxes to get one that was still anchored to the centre and therefore free of scratches. Another five hours until I get a first listen. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:26:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Howard Wright Subject: Re: JONI SHEET MUSIC Matt Jones wrote: >I am a University of Georgia music major, working on an AB in Music >Theory. For my senior thesis, I am writing a book on the music of Joni >Mitchell. >I intend to take each album song by song in my book; however, to perform >the type of analysis I intend to do, I must have the music. >If anyone can help me, I am willing to pay for joni songbooks!!! Please >help me!! What kind of analysis are you intending to do? I ask because, if you are going to analyse the harmony of Joni's songs, some of the songbooks will be of little use to you. The piano arrangements printed in most Joni songbooks are "simplified arrangements" of what Joni actually plays. They quite often miss out on musically interesting details and subtleties - because the printed version has to be relatively easy to play, so a balance between authenticity and playability is struck. For the guitar based songs, the piano arrangements are often very far from what is actually played, but if you get hold of songbooks that give you details of the guitar tunings, then you *will* be able to get more or less the exact chords that Joni played. You will have to work these out from the guitar chord diagrams - the notes printed in the music won't be exactly right, but the guitar chords will. N.B for songbooks in standard tuning, the guitar chord diagrams will not give you the right harmonies. I don't say this to put you off - just to make sure you don't do a lot of careful analysis of the harmony that's *printed* in the sheet music, only to find that this doesn't correspond particularly well with the harmony that Joni actually plays. However, if you're analysing the melodies, most of the songbooks will be fine for this. Off the top of my head, the songbooks that include the right guitar tunings (and so have accurate harmonies for the guitar songs) are: Taming The Tiger Turbulent Indigo Night Ride Home Mingus For The Roses Misses Hits Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 08:31:08 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Companion Brian said: <> The Rickie Lee Jones thing has been explained; Stacey didn't have a shot at previewing the photos. But the text is *superb* - I finished mine over the weekend and intend to re-read it which is VERY rare for me. I know that a lot of the info is on the web BUT I don't READ on my computer, I enjoy cozying up with an actual book. Hey, call me old-fashioned... I believe it to be ESSENTIAL reading for anybody in this group as it provides so much of a foundation of all things having to do with Joni's music, yet it opens so much up for further exploration and discussion. Coolest thing: the JMDL gets a thanks in the preface! :~) And, my copy of the book doesn't skip! :~) Bob NP: Meshell, "Grace" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 08:39:25 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN/S&L NJC Roberto said: <> Well, Roberto, when I met you Friday night between the jet lag and the martinis, veggie is a pretty good description! :~D (Just jabbin' at you my friend) I too am honoured to be a veggie; however I WILL demand a raise in celery! :~) Or better yet, lettuce change the subject... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:17:41 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: BSN - A Case of You and more... My buddy Ethel has lent me her portable CD player. The office door is closed and.............. I am listening to A Case of You from BSN. What is she bringing to this song? This is the first Joni song I learned to play and have sung it to myself for years and years now. I have loved it and loved it. This BSN version is just magnificent. Joni has excelled herself. If she has in mind covering other of her works in this manner we are in for a peerless treat. Oh Lord, Both Sides Now......oh, heaven's above. This is greatness. I'd have to give the more unfamiliar songs more ear time but the covers of her own work are invested with more than I can know. Fret not my fellow JMDLers. I had no hopes whatsoever for this record. It was going to be a loyatly purchase and only in due course. I bought the box and I'd go and buy it again to hear Case of You for the first time again. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:47:14 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Companion Isn't it pathetic and infuriating that, as Bob says, "Stacey didn't have a shot a previewing the photos?" If the publisher had shown her the least scrap of respect, she might have caught the two different spellings of the grandson's name ("Marlon"/"Marlin.") LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:58:08 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Bounced too high/Joni on the Road/JF2000 info (NJC) Paz does brighten up my day with: << Secondly, to brighten up your day>>>>>I ran into Peter Erskine at NAMM and he told me he is going to be out on tour with Joni in the spring. He gave me a couple of dates that are tentative Atlanta May 17 and Miami May 19. >> Michael, this is fantastic news!!! I was so disappointed when Joni cancelled her Florida concerts back in '98. It would be great to drive the 2 hours to see Joni in Miami. Before I warn my Miami relatives that I'm crashing at their place, I just want to make sure it isn't Carly Simon that's performing there.........just kidding :-) Jimmy NP- "A CCCCCCaaaaaaasssssseeeeee Of You..Of You...Of You..Of ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:11:27 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Rex Reed BSN Review Wow, Leslie - this is a great review. And Rex Reed can be quite bitchy, can't he? If so, that makes it an even BETTER review! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:21:33 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: BSN Evian writes: I was listening to DJRD >yesterday and something happened to the frigging thing and it skips like >a son of a bitch. Which raises a point I've always wondered about, but was afraid to ask, or any time I did ask, no one seemed to understand what I was talking about - here's hoping someone here DOES understand. When a CD skips, what does it usually mean? that there's a flaw in the CD? that it's dirty? that your CD player isn't working right? Have you ever had a CD that plays OK one day, then skips the next, or vice versa? How do you clean a CD? I mean, with LPs, if they skipped, that was sometimes because it was dirty, so you would clean it, or it was warped and you could often rectify that by putting a penny on the tone-arm or something to give it a little extra weight (you were probably actually destroying both LP and needle by doing this and it probably sounds sacrilegious to any audiophiles out there, but I confess to have done it.) At what point do you decide whether you should return/exchange the CD? Just wondering because this drives me nuts - is it possible to compensate for that skippy part in a CD? Can you move forward within one track, or do you end up having to skip the entire track? Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 10:28:21 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Joni quits songwriting!! A number of startling revelations were contained in an article in the Feb 12 Billboard, including: ++Joni is quoted as saying she has no plans to write any new material in the forseeable future, and will concentrate on her painting ++BSN is the first of a symphonic trilogy, the next one will be ALL JONI SONGS, the 3rd a Xmas album ++She is planning a 12 city tour and will perform with local symphonies (cities not mentioned) ++Reprise has inked a deal with TNT [TV] network to produce a BSN special "that may recreate the record", and they are negotiating another with A&E network, possibly with VH-1 on board ++Yes there is a single-the title track will be serviced to radio stations Feb 15, Reprise plans more promotion too ++Reprise says the 15,000 unit run of the limited edition has sold out its order to retailers ++A UFO landed in Joni's yard, Elvis got out and impregnated Joni ++OK, I made that one up, but the rest was in the article, which you can read at http://www.billboard.com/feature/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 10:34:06 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Another broken BSN (don't try this at home) Actually, there is a CD "restorer" on the market that does this very thing. The playing surface of a CD has a layer of protective plastic over it, so if you can "sand" the scratches out of the protective layer, it will often play. I would try something very benign, maybe a piece of (clean) demim. If you have a scratched CD you should return it. RR Catherine Turley wrote: > > Well, I'm joining the throng of the disappointed whose BSN was > scratched and skipping in many places. so this is what I > did to that $*#*% scratched BSN disc: Got out the ultra fine polishing > steel wool (#000000 grain) and very very (may I emphasize VERY) lightly > attacked the deepest scratches. Then polished the disc with a very soft > polishing cloth. That took care of all the skips but on one track, so I > used the polishing cloth some more and then sprayed the whole thing with > lemon scented Endust (a no wax cleaning and dusting spray, for those of > you without that particular brand.) Polished some more. This "fixed" > the skips just long enough for me to burn a CDR copy that tests out > perfect on the computer. > this strikes me as a very very bad way to treat your cds. I don't > think I can recommend this method with a clear conscience, but heck, it > worked. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:01:36 EST From: GREYC1@aol.com Subject: Reprise frustration I placed my order for BSN directly with Warner Bros. figuring that going directly to "the horse's mouth" would be the best way to insure my getting a copy of the limited edition cd. I called them this morning to check on the status of my order (placed 1/14) and was told that it's on BACKORDER!!! I'm so angry and frustrated (and, believe me, I let them know) that I want to let everyone on the list know that, if they ordered in this fashion, they had better call to check their orders. The number is 800/274-9700. Thank you for letting me vent...I'm now going to begin calling some retail stores to see if they still have them in stock. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 19:05:39 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Some words for Wally Adriano wrote: >O Signore, grazie per tutte le stagioni della nostra vita.[...] >and my literal English translation: > >Oh Lord, thanks for all the seasons of our life [...] That's really lovely - did you write that yourself? You also wrote: >I also wish to convey a small thought which has been crossing my mind >during my friend's peaceful departure, I thought that I will never leave >any job unfinished (if I can), no love unsaid, no hurt feeling mended, no >river uncrossed, no good spared. Life is so short and I want to live >without regrets. I pray to be strong enough to accomplish all that in my >short time. You've summed up what I would like to do as well - I just hope I can live up to my intentions! Courage, my friend. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 19:35:21 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: BSN/S&L NJC >Roberto said: > ><> > >Well, Roberto, when I met you Friday night between the jet lag and the >martinis, veggie is a pretty good description! :~D >(Just jabbin' at you my friend) > >I too am honoured to be a veggie; however I WILL demand a raise in celery! >:~) >Or better yet, lettuce change the subject... And for that, Bob wins a 14-carrot gold watch! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:39:58 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Reprise frustration I also placed an order with Reprise and had the same information relayed to me this morning. In fact, I was told that they don't even start processing the orders until the day of release. I pointed out that this is not the information given on the website--I told them that I paid for "RUSH" shipping and that this was supposed to guarantee that I receive the product on the release date. All they could say was they were sorry for the misunderstanding. My response was that there was no misunderstanding: I told them that their website had misinformation on it. I asked that they waive the "RUSH" shipping fee and they agreed. (We'll see if they actually waive this fee. I think that I'm going to a local store and purchase one and will cancel my order with Reprise.) I also told them about the problem with all of the scratched CD's. Stephen In a message dated 02/09/2000 2:08:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, GREYC1@aol.com writes: << placed my order for BSN directly with Warner Bros. figuring that going directly to "the horse's mouth" would be the best way to insure my getting a copy of the limited edition CD. I called them this morning to check on the status of my order (placed 1/14) and was told that it's on BACKORDER!!! I'm so angry and frustrated (and, believe me, I let them know) that I want to let everyone on the list know that, if they ordered in this fashion, they had better call to check their orders. The number is 800/274-9700. >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 19:46:30 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: BSN I asked: ><< How do you clean a CD? >> Stephen answered: >You can "wash" a CD by placing it under cold running water and then drying >it >by taking a paper towel and wiping it from the center of the CD outward to >the edge and repeating this action until it is dry Thanks - between this information and what Randy Remote replied to Catherine T, this is a great help and solves much of the mystery of CD. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:51:34 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Reprise frustration I ordered through Tower, in January, and just got an email saying it's on the way. After everything I've read, I'm afraid to open it! Had I known about the scratches, I would have ordered locally from a company that has easy return policies. But there are no Tower Records in my town. Keeping fingers crossed, Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:59:58 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: House Of The Rising Sun NJC VH-1 did a "Behind the Music" about Eric Burden (of the Animals), in which they went to what they believed was the original "house" in New Orleans, a house of prostitution. This old folk song was a "must know" by anyone who carried a guitar in the '60's. RR catman wrote: > > Does anyone know the origins of this song? I just saw a 1964 film of The > Animals singing it. It doesn't sound like it is original to them but I > don't know. > i really like this song so would be interested to know it's origins. It > sounds to me like it is a 'blues' type song. It reminds me of Furry > Sings The Blues on Hejira.(not in tune but in feel) > > -- > To change the world-change your self > "It is better to be hated for what you are > than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:31:16 EST From: Johnwe2@aol.com Subject: Re:BSN Hi all..Just got my BSN form Border's...I cancelled my reprise order, thank god. Luckily, my cd is in perfect condition, but i can see why so many others wouldn't be. I guess my package was shipped horizontally, and never vertically. The music is truly wonderful, actually exceeding my expectations. The box is nice, but very inpractical, and i think a advanced limited edition could have a similar look and be a lot less expensive. However, i don't regret spending the money, the music itself is worth it. Hope others have good luck too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:42:57 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: This is Hillary-ous (worth it NJC) Just before first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton took the stage to announce her candidacy for New York's U.S. Senate seat on Sunday afternoon, Billy Joel's "Captain Jack" played from the speakers at the State University of New York at Purchase. Since the song contains explicit lyrics, Mrs. Clinton's detractors jumped on her campaign's choice of music Monday. Apparently, the campaign sound system was playing Joel's "Greatest Hits Vol. 1 and 2," with the intention of highlighting his song "New York State of Mind," but the affair was running late and the disc played on. Prior to Mrs. Clinton's entrance, "Captain Jack" was played to a national audience watching the event on CNN and C-Span. To make the situation more ironic, Clinton said during her speech, "I've heard parents' concerns about the media's influence on their children. How to protect our children from the influence of a popular culture?" Like I said ... Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 12:43:21 -0800 From: "rick novosel" Subject: Why Joni doesn't move units Out of curiosity, I did a Metacrawler search of news groups for "Both Sides Now" and came up with these postings: (From alt.tv.dawsons-creek) - -What was that song at the end of DC last night? - -I think it was Joni Mitchell but it didn't sound like her. - -Are you sure that was her....sounded kind of like a guy. - -Yeah, that was her. That used to be a camp song many moons ago. It never sounded like that though. (From soc.women.lesbian-and-bi) - -Just wondering if anyone listens to music by Carly Simon...having looked at life from both sides now.... - -Both Sides Now usually suggest Joni to me, not Carly. - -It's not Judy Collins? What do we know that almost everyone else doesn't? Rick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:59:07 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Why Joni doesn't move units I happened to be having dinner w/my boyfriend at the local pub Tuesday night. At the bar, they were watching the millionaire game show. One of the questions asked which of the following performers has never sung a song written by Prince? The answer was Joni. I don't recall the other choices. No one at the bar knew the answer. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:07:11 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: This JUST in!!!!!! Hello Gang- I have discovered that my copy of the new release is ALSO scratched on songs 3 and 4. It does not work in my car (where I am most of my life), but it does work in the house. I am taking it back to Tower nevertheless annd they will graciously open another copy for me. While I was on the phone with my friend at Tower, he told me that the L.A. Tower has been frantically calling around trying to get more copies of BSN because Jack Nicholson came in and bought every single one they had. I am now opening the floor to speculate exactly what brother Jack is up to. I am guessing that it's either A) he is a huge fan and wants a copy for every room in the house or B) He is buying one for all his Valentines. Anyways I found this very funny and thought I would share it with the fam. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:24:13 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: mother and child reunion As far as I know Wally never met Kilauren. He may have talked to her on the phone but my memory is faulty here. >This is probably a silly question (and it's also probably on the JM site >somewhere), but did Wally ever meet Kilauren? We know he's meet Joni >several times, but I was wondering if he ever got to meet the rest of the >family, since he was so instrumental in bringing them together? > >Hell >_______________________________ >"I don't believe in livin' in the middle with >available extremes" - Carole King > >hell@ihug.co.nz ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 13:30:51 PST From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: The BSN Weather: Stormy or Tranquil?? Deep breath... After calling Reprise Records for the 6th time; wondering what was up with my order, I called my local Barnes and Noble, located the ONE ltd ed copy they had, canceled my Reprise order, and grabbed the B&N copy right after work (thanks to Jennifer, the clerk who held it for me!) due to the horror stories some of you had concerning the condition of the disc, etc., I was allowed to open it at the counter for inspection. We agreed that the disc didn't look pristeen by any means. I took it home for a test run. On the way out the door of B&N, I picked up the JM Companion. My first thought when the clerk placed it in my hands was 'Kept in satin boxes are reflections of loves memories!'.....so already I am getting goose-pimply all over!! Now I am home.....in it goes and WOWWOWOWOW!!! I AM OVERWHELMED, FLOORED, AMAZED, SCREAMING, DELIGHTED, AWESTRUCK, and during Both Sides, Now...I am gut-sobbing like the middle-aged guy I am. (No skips or pops anywhere!!) I believe Joni has propelled herself into the Pantheon of the Muse-Goddesses with this one.....Sure, her approaches to some of the numbers aren't what one would expect (if familiar with the song beforehand)..She makes them her own and I am FLABBERGASTED!! After reading the usually, though delightfully, vitriolic Rex Reeds' positively shimmering review, I am thankful that she is getting the deserved praise from such a widely read critic. Since I just received the 2 disc set of S&L a few days ago, need I say that my heart if full. I love the box and the enclosed materials.....the dedication to her daughter, and the thanks to Wally Breese just made the whole thing a divine experience. Smiling like a pig in shit. Love, Russ I LIKED IT!!!!! The JM Companion is being devoured with much pleasure, too! The light, creation's mind, was everywhere, and all things owned its power. Charles Dickens ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:50:43 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Why Joni doesn't move units - --- rick novosel wrote: > Out of curiosity, I did a Metacrawler search of news > groups for "Both Sides > Now" and came up with these postings: > > (From alt.tv.dawsons-creek) > -What was that song at the end of DC last night? > -I think it was Joni Mitchell but it didn't sound > like her. > -Are you sure that was her....sounded kind of like a > guy. > -Yeah, that was her. That used to be a camp song > many moons ago. It never > sounded like that though. > > (From soc.women.lesbian-and-bi) > -Just wondering if anyone listens to music by Carly > Simon...having looked at > life from both sides now.... > -Both Sides Now usually suggest Joni to me, not > Carly. > -It's not Judy Collins? At the risk of sounding like a white heterosexual elitist ... consider the source. ;-) Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:54:06 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Reprise frustration GREYC1@aol.com wrote: > I placed my order for BSN directly with Warner Bros. figuring that going > directly to > "the horse's mouth" would be the best way to insure my getting a copy of the > limited edition cd. I called them this morning to check on the status of my > order > (placed 1/14) and was told that it's on BACKORDER!!! > > I'm so angry and frustrated (and, believe me, I let them know) that I want to > let everyone on the list know that, if they ordered in this fashion, they had > better call > to check their orders. The number is 800/274-9700. I called and canceled. I'm royally pi------ off at them. So much so that I think I'll just wait for the regular cd to come out. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:46:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni quits songwriting!! In a message dated 2/9/00 12:32:21 PM US Central Standard Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << Joni is quoted as saying she has no plans to write any new material in the forseeable future, and will concentrate on her painting>> And this is probably the 6th or 7th time she's made THIS declaration...thank God for her muse which always brings her back... << ++BSN is the first of a symphonic trilogy, the next one will be ALL JONI SONGS, the 3rd a Xmas album>> That's cool, except now instead of being a pacesetter, she's a Linda Ronstadt copycat...:~D << ++She is planning a 12 city tour and will perform with local symphonies (cities not mentioned) ++Reprise has inked a deal with TNT [TV] network to produce a BSN special "that may recreate the record", and they are negotiating another with A&E network, possibly with VH-1 on board ++Yes there is a single-the title track will be serviced to radio stations Feb 15, Reprise plans more promotion too>> That is especailly cool if she sneaks a bonus track or two on it...(FAT CHANCE!) <<++Reprise says the 15,000 unit run of the limited edition has sold out its order to retailers >> Awesome! What a hoot if Joni ends up with a HUGE hit on her hands! (Of course, when they figure in the returns for defective product, she'll probably only move a couple dozen of this first issue...:~) Bob NP: WTRF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 23:03:10 +0000 From: catman Subject: BSN I was sent this email from a friend not on this list: Hi Colin, The new Joni Mitchell just arrived from Amazon and I'm listening to it now. So far so good (I've only listened to half of the first song so far "You're my Thrill". "You're my Thrill"). The case is really neat, not what I expected at all. It's round and about the width of a 45 rpm record (remember those!) and about two inches high. Will says it looks like a hatbox. It has some type of sheer cloth covering and inside is the CD and 4 cards slightly bigger than normal playing cards, each one is depicts one of Joni's paintings. Then there's several sheets of note paper each one with the words to a song or liner notes. Very cool. You really have to get one if you haven't already. The songs are mostly all classic love songs with two classic Joni Mitchell songs thrown in (Both Sides Now and A Case of You). This (in my opinion) her best album since Night Ride Home (which with the exception of Hits and Misses) is the last album I truly loved. Turbulent Indigo has grown on me and I'm getting used to a few of the songs on Taming the Tiger (especially the one called Face Lift). I know you didn't like the Carly Film Noire album so it's possible you might not like this one but this one is truly magical with members of the London Symphony Orchestra playing in the background. Really classy. You might want to wait to the regular edition comes out (the one I have is the Limited Edition one) or perhaps John could buy it for Valentine's Day (hint, hint) :-) - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:28:25 -0500 From: "Chuck EIsenhardt" Subject: Another BSN tale o' woe I arrived home to my Amazon BSN tonight. I had glimmers of hope because Amazon packed the hell out it - they shrink-wrapped Warner's shrinkwrap, backed with a layer of cardboard, in a perfectly fitting box filled with those air pillow things, and still, the disk had slipped its moorings and three tracks are unplayable (on two CDplayers so far) due to surface damage. Called Amazon to let them know there will be a number of irate callers. They are sending me a return auth label and as long as I can pick up another in the stores here, I think that's what I'll do. Oh, and the music I managed to hear was pretty darn good, too! I'm sure when we all settle down a bit we can place this appropriately in the respective pantheons. Bry Thomas tomorrow night here in Cambridge, Peter Erskine with the Yellowjackets March 10 at Scullers, yum! ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:02:19 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: J.Nicholson I recall reading an article during the publicity for either DED or CMIARS that Jack is a big Joni fan--very appreciative of her musical changefulness. The article contained a photo of them at a Hollywood Party at someone's home. He also mentioned that he loves that every once in a while, she likes to get dressed up and go out dancing. Is he "Jack behind his Joker" (rolling papers?) in People's Parties? Just a little speculation on my part. Loving BSN more with every listen, and sending energetic roses to all of you experiencing frustrations and still waiting to hear this beautiful work. Love to Rex Reed. I'm welling up with love, not the romantic kind this time, but other kinds of love to celebrate this valentine's season. Here in San Francisco, it's pouring rain. I'm watching it pour on the view of the city, and loving this wonderful group of people who speak to one another on my computer. NP BSN/BSN. And crying just a little bit of love and appreciation for you all, for Joni...for Wally. Ken Harvey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:03:37 -0600 From: Joseph Davis Subject: Re: Another BSN tale o' woe NEVER MIND!!! thanks joe (hehehehehehehehehe) Chuck EIsenhardt wrote: > I arrived home to my Amazon BSN tonight. I had glimmers of hope because > Amazon packed the hell out it - they shrink-wrapped Warner's shrinkwrap, > backed > with a layer of cardboard, in a perfectly fitting box filled with those air > pillow things, and still, the disk had slipped its moorings and three tracks > are unplayable (on two CDplayers so far) due to surface damage. > > Called Amazon to let them know there will be a number of irate callers. They > are sending me a return auth label and as long as I can pick up another in > the > stores here, I think that's what I'll do. > > Oh, and the music I managed to hear was pretty darn good, too! I'm sure > when we all > settle down a bit we can place this appropriately in the respective > pantheons. > > Bry Thomas tomorrow night here in Cambridge, Peter Erskine with the > Yellowjackets > March 10 at Scullers, yum! > > ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:12:29 -0600 From: Joseph Davis Subject: Hello! GREETINGS from kansas city yes, there is sadness here for this Joniphile. our beloved #58, Derrick Thomas of the kc chiefs, passed away. please, people......wear your seatbelts. enough said. anyway, while watching coverage of the events surrounding his death, I was compelled to play "Amelia." THEN to hear about Wally, and all of his wonderful work for the page, etc. All this death......First my own mother to Hodgkin' three years ago this coming June, then my dad this past October, and now......2 men - great men, who did their work their way and did with gusto, pride and love. I never got to chat with Wally or Derrick, but I suspect they'll have much to talk about! (smile) i won't bore you with how much joni's music means to me - all i can say is my life hasn't been the same since i heard "The Circle Game". i look forward to being here for a long time. I'll try to keep myself open up to you......... JOE p.s. - another BSN victim here! on my way now......... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 19:21:55 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Joni quits songwriting!! As a certified Christmas maniac, I would love a Joni Christmas album! Let's see, River, Facelift, maybe Gift of the Magi? At 05:46 PM 2/9/00 EST, you wrote: > the 3rd a Xmas album>> Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:41:24 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Dinged BSN's Hi Gang! Well, I reported that Reprise was sold out yesterday morning, but unfortunately my post bounced so y'all didn't get the message until last night (my time). When I found out it hadn't been shipped yet, as of Tuesday morning, I called to can.cel my Reprise order and went and got it at my fave record store. Got home, and like some many others, it was all dinged up, so took it right back to the record store for a replacement. The replacement is perfect and the record store treated me great. They put the new one on, and we listened to it before I left the store. (The nearly shaved head, multiply pierced clerk, commented "WOW, this is Joni Mitchell....this is great!" ;-) Anyway I just gave them a call back and they said they have 30 (they have two locations so that figure may be roughly double) left in stock, do ship, and if requested would open and check for defects before shipping. (They sold 5 yesterday, btw) I paid $44.99. Web addy is www.musicmillennium.com if you guys exhaust your other options. Peace Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:46:35 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Both Sides Now, oh wow!! Showing once again that she cannot be pigeonholed, Joni Mitchell belts out a home run with her latest album "Both Sides Now." It is an abrupt departure from her usual productions. This project features no new material and none of Joni's guitar playing, instead comprising selected standards and two of her original songs which are IMO the real jewels. My limited edition BSN arrived from CDNow and I was surprised at how big the special package is. It reminds me of a notions box my mother used...a round container, covered in fabric, where she kept loose buttons, threads, thimbles, and shears. Sure enough, inside this BSN box were personal treasures. The lithos are of high quality and show the fine details in Joni's paintings. Having each song's lyrics printed on its own page struck me as being similar to cue cards and adds to the uniqueness of this package. The CD itself is badly scratched and skips in one place on one song, so I will attempt to exchange it for a more pristine copy, but am able to fast-forward over this one spot on the third track and the rest of the album plays just fine. Despite this flaw, I'm thrilled to have one of these special editions because it really is SPECIAL. I had also ordered a copy of the album through Reprise (like everyone else, still waiting for this one) and had contemplated its cancellation, especially after reading about all the problems with the discs, but after seeing it in person I want this second copy even more. Hopefully the record company will correct the problem of disc security inside the box and the next batch of special edition BSNs will arrive as intended...error free. While Joni eschews her guitar as the main accompaniment, she brings instead various medium to large orchestras and focuses on her singing, which is lush and full of emotion. My first impression that she is literally pouring out her whole life throughout this album and it's deeply affecting. This project is not a creation of the poet, the confessional songwriter, the social observer, or any of the other labels which have been loosely attached...rather it is an examination by Joni of the love that she has experienced...the various stages of falling in love, of being in love, and of remaining in love. After over 50 years on this planet and having lived such a full life, the woman knows what she's talking about! The layers that she has crafted in the past with techno gear and harmonizing vocals have been replaced by the many orchestral parts...an interesting substitution and one that captures extremely well the emotions of the chosen songs. In addition, the arrangements are timeless and I fully expect this album will age as well, or better, than anything she's done. This is of course a Mitchell trademark...the albums seemingly improve over time and continue to offer the listener new insights no matter how many times the record is played. The assembled cast of musicians and arrangers have created a sophisticated backdrop for Joni's deeply textured vocals, capturing the essence of this project: love. And Wayne Shorter deserves a special mention for contributing THE most expressive sax licks ever recorded! This man is without peer when it comes to interpreting and playing Joni's musical concepts. Unlike many of her previous works, there will be much less projection on the part of the listener into these songs. I know that many have previously felt such a strong sense of "Yes, she's singing about EXACTLY how I feel!" but I think there will be much less of this with the new album. Rather, the listener is invited to sit back and enjoy the craft. I see BSN as more of a *performance* instead of a statement, however, the overwhelming theme of love does carry the day throughout which gives the album a sense of purpose, still, it's not the "normal" Joni Mitchell musical dramas and painting of pictures with words and music. The two original songs revisited, "A Case Of You" and "Both Sides Now" take on entirely new meanings this time around. ACOY moved me to tears the first time I heard it and I can't ever recall hearing a piece of music for the first time and having it be so affecting. The combination of *those* lyrics and that emotion-laden vocal along with the musical arrangement makes for a stunning presentation. BSN completes a circle game of sorts. When I think of the young Joni composing this song years ago, and now being able to look back on her life and put all that experience into the performance of this song, it's confirmation that she was indeed wise beyond her years. I wonder if when she first wrote the song if she had any thoughts about performing it decades later, and if so, did it add anything to the composing. No matter--it's a striking and bewitching rendition. The album "Both Sides Now" is a triumph. Dripping with power and emotion, this is music to move the soul, music that gets you right in the head and the heart and the gut. I see it as a great addition to Joni's catalog, serving as additional testament to her ability to catch us in her ever-changing artistic net. For some reason, I get the feeling it could serve as Joni's swan song but I hope not...surely the creative juices are still flowing...it's just that the album comes across as a reflection on a lifetime and I'm left with a feeling of finality. Still, I know there's a hell of a lot of living left to do and it's my wish that Joni Mitchell will continue to explore her artistic endeavors AND share them with all of us. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:49:35 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Both SIde Now Okay, here's the scoop from my company's "Streetdate." Joni's release is a recommended title for the week of 2/7. She's listed right after Ghostface Killah and Kenny Loggins. I'm hoping that this is alphabetical! We call it, "a perfect album for Valentines." Flip side of the magazine is a 1/2 page ad for the release. In keeping with the reported shoddy quality of the CD, I have to say that the ad is right in the same boat with a grainy and blurry photo of the round, brown box top and another one showing the cd, (which seems to have a section of the smoking in the cafe painting on it and 4 "can't barely make them out," suitable for framing lithographs. The text, however, says that there are 3. I also noted that each album is numbered. Next up, report from tonight's Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young concert provided that I can stay away from the mosh pit. MG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 20:49:38 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Reprise replies to my complaint letter Reprise says, in response to my letter of complaint: Thanks for your letter. We are aware of the problem with the "Both Sides Now" cd and are currently addressing the problem to remedy the situation. We should have an update tomorrow. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 17:10:32 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: This JUST in!!and Calling all Collectors! Michael Paz wrote: > Jack Nicholson came in and bought every single one they had. I am now opening > the floor to > speculate exactly what brother Jack is up to. This is too funny! Go Jack! I bet it is for all his valentines. Nice to know what a great fan he is. I haven't received either of the two I ordered; one from Reprise ( I know, don't hold my breath) and one from CDnow which is supposed to be on it's way. My plan was to open one and keep the other sealed as a collector's item. So what do you collectors think about the value of a sealed special edition CD that MAY skip. Is the fact that there were so many faulty CD's going to jack the price up anyway or should I just scrap that idea and check it out before re-hermetically sealing it? - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #82 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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