From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #79 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 8 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 079 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- BSN - NJC due to my usual ramblings ["Alan Lorimer" ] RE: Vocal qualities NJC [Walter R Rodgers III ] mother and child reunion ["Neil E. Orts" ] RE: Pink Floyd NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] [none] [Walter R Rodgers III ] Best of the Rest (NJC) [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Best of the rest (NJC) [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: NAMM? (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: live albums (njc) ["Catherine McKay" ] SNL (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Death & Birth & Death @ Birth & Death & Birth ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: PWWAM viewing (SJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: BSN ["Catherine McKay" ] Wally [FMYFL@aol.com] SF bad review [Randy Remote ] In light of the thread on racism and PC-ness (NJC) [Jason Maloney ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #73 [Bounced Message ] BSN ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Re: BSN ["Helen M. Adcock" ] LKDL Strikes Again (was PWWAM viewing NJC) [Don Rowe ] ACADEMIC NEEDS JONI SHEET MUSIC DESPERATELY...WILL PAY [Matt Jones ] Re: Punk (NJC) ["Alison Einerson" ] Bye Wally [Ginamu@aol.com] BSN reviews [Deb Messling ] Re: Awaiting BSN!! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] rickie lee jones (NJC) [Wolfebite@aol.com] Re: Punk (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Punk (NJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Joni & Johnny Rotten [Lindsay Moon ] The Voice ["Eric Taylor" ] BSN Reviews [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:22:26 +1100 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: BSN - NJC due to my usual ramblings >Anyway, I seem to be digressing (I'm also trying to put off the housework >I should have done yesterday). The simple question is: Is CDNow or >Borders (or some other site I haven't heard of yet) the best place to >order BSN from? Hell, Why not bookmark my site? I specifically set up a "coupon" page for on-line stores that do International shipping. http://jonimitchell.freeservers.com/ In the mean time you could go to Barnes & Noble and use: Save $10 on a $25 order, code C3S6GHG, expires 1st Sept OR Save $10 on a $25 order, code CEMPLOY, expires 1st Sept To order BSN from Barnes & Noble. The price is currently $40 (it only went down in price a couple of days or so ago), Shipping is $6, and you get $10 off giving you a total price of $US36 or about $NZ70. I've had a few CD's turn up from Barnes & Noble in 2 - 3 weeks. Suggest if you are still concerned about the security of your mailbox that you get it delivered to your work or something like that. I've ordered stuff from Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and CDNow. It's always turned up! International shipping charges for CDNow tend to be a little dearer than the other two. Amazon seldom seem to have coupons. Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 09:10:34 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni in Entertainment Weekly Magazine NJC Eric Taylor wrote: > Quoting Entertainment Weekly << Mitchell's art is about her writer's voice > more than her intreperter's voice >> > Catman writes: > << This is exactly what I was trying to say when I was saying that Joni 's > singing is not what i call singing. >> > > Then, pray tell, exactly WHAT do you call the sound that comes out of Ms > Mitchell's mouth?! > You are certainly entitled to your oft stated opinion that Joni can no > longer sing, Catman, but I think this is due to a lack of appreciation I'd appreciate it if you stopped making such arrogant statements especially since you don't pay attention to what I have written.If you truly think I am entitled to my opinon, why do you keep putting me down over it?I will not repeat this. i don NOT dislike Joni's voice. I have said many times I PREFER her voice on NRH and TI and TTT. The end. > for > her warmer, more intimate vocal style on recent albums. > I personally prefer the quality of her voice on NRH, TI & PWWAM than in > earlier works. To each his own. > E.T. > > __________________________________________ > NetZero - Defenders of the Free World > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:02:58 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Vocal qualities NJC Walter said: <> Sure, there's something to what you're saying, Walter. Some of my favorite singers sing more with emotion than they do with technicality. I suppose that's why I don't like folks like Mariah Carey. Technically she can hit the notes, but I don't hear the soul of what she's singing about. Dylan, Springsteen, Elvis Costello, Adam Duritz don't always sound technically proficient but they have the ability to nail the heart and soul & feel of a lyric. Then there are those who have it BOTH ways; Joni, Ray Charles, Sarah Vaughan, blah, blah... Bob NP: Pink Floyd "Welcome to the Machine" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:54:32 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Scarry Larry?? In a message dated 2/6/00 3:02:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, Emily sez: << sn't that annoying? i'm annoyed that he's gotten me annoyed about larry! - -- emily >> I'm sorry if I come across as a music snob....but the reason Larry was making those faces and those gestures is because he felt it!!! (With the exception of John Entwistle of the Who), any musician, in my book, who does not play with everything they've got is just playing with their fingers. (Ask your friend if we could put a video camera on his face when he's in a state of musical bliss, union and groove factor one million and we'll get to see how silly he looks). Larry is not Jaco, yes, good obvservation...in that same vein, your friend must remember that punk music after about 1985 is nothing but a bunch of posers wanting to repeat the angst and sneer of Johnny, Sid and Co.. Larry's the best living bass player for Joni and she knows it. Again, sorry if I'm coming across as a music snob, but what did you and your friend think of the MUSIC, (rather than the way the musicians looked)? It is a difficult task to introduce true artists (those uncompromising folks) to the main-stream masses and I really appreciate your efforts. Thanks for your post, sorry if I'm sounding like a wounded artist but there it is. Julian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:57:14 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: radio Joni mentioned Doing some radio listening yesterday and they were playing some songs off of Karla Bonhoff's greatest hits. I cannot remember what songs they were. But the question was asked of her who her guitar teacher was and it was Frank Hamilton of the Weavers. The dj asked so did you pick up any of the political rhetoric of Franks (cannot remember much on this other then they were part of a red scare. Her answer was that she did not care about that she was young and all she wanted Frank to teacher is how she could tune her guitar like Joni Mitchell. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:13:35 -0500 From: Walter R Rodgers III Subject: RE: Vocal qualities NJC Bob; I don't know if your Floyd NP was meant as a reference to the state of the music industry or not, but I would put Roger Waters in the "vocally challanged artistic genius" catagory. Waters is wonderful... my favorite male songwriter. Business is a double edged sword. It makes a lot of things possible that wouldn't otherwise be, but is crass and cold. Art and industry (money) have a mutually parasitic relationship in my opinion. Always have, always will. Walter - ---------- From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com[SMTP:SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 8:02 AM To: wrodgers@blast.net Cc: Joni@smoe.org Subject: Vocal qualities NJC Walter said: <> Sure, there's something to what you're saying, Walter. Some of my favorite singers sing more with emotion than they do with technicality. I suppose that's why I don't like folks like Mariah Carey. Technically she can hit the notes, but I don't hear the soul of what she's singing about. Dylan, Springsteen, Elvis Costello, Adam Duritz don't always sound technically proficient but they have the ability to nail the heart and soul & feel of a lyric. Then there are those who have it BOTH ways; Joni, Ray Charles, Sarah Vaughan, blah, blah... Bob NP: Pink Floyd "Welcome to the Machine" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:43:43 -0500 From: "Neil E. Orts" Subject: mother and child reunion Walter wrote: >I'm pretty sure that all the details are at the JMHP (thanks Wally). I >recall that Joni's daughter was led to the JMHP by a friend, where she >pretty much firmed up her suspicions that Joni was her Mom. A few phone >calls and meetings later and Little Green had her happy ending, I hope. That's what I thought. My main thought behind the question was how no one seemed to be remembering Wally for his part in this reunion. Most of us have been remembering him for how he brought us together, how he put up a shrine to one of our favorite artists, but this reunion was a much bigger thing, it seems to me. I like the webpage, I'm glad the JMDL exists (which, iirc, wasn't a creation of Wally but . . . Les? ack, I've been gone too long), but the story about Wally that makes me happiest is that he played a part in Getting Joni and Kilauren together. - -Neil ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Neil E. Orts * Director/Student Services * Office of Graduate Studies * It's easy to hang onto a sinking ship University of Texas Austin * The hard part's letting go. Main 101 -- 512/232-3626 * neo@mail.utexas.edu * -Jeff Talmadge fax: 512/475-8851 * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:47:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: RE: Pink Floyd NJC <> No, my NP's are always what happens to be spinning when I'm posting, but your assessment of Waters is a good one. I do think he needs David Gilmour though, I've never cared for his solo stuff, nor did I like the Syd Barrett-era Floyd... But "Wish You Were Here", "Animals", Dark Side", The Wall" are all essentials for me! Bob NP: The Clash, "Working for the Clampdown" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 10:10:52 -0500 From: Walter R Rodgers III Subject: [none] Re; vocal qualities NJC Bob; I know what I said about business and money has been said a thousand times before, I guess I was directing it toward an earlier post about classical music. Most of the post went over my head, but I think it's point was that the business motives of classical composers somehow discredits or at least tainted their work. My point about musicians was that at least in my small circle, it seems that the better someone gets at an instrament, the more they loose interest in simple melodies. I'm sure that this is not always the case, but it makes me wonder were the line is between music being a physical sport like gymnastics, and an art form. The big questions with me are; What is art.. What is it that attracts me to artists like Joni, Waters, Beethoven... What else do I have in common with other people with similar tastes... What can I learn about myself and life from the answers. Walter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:05:09 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Best of the Rest (NJC) Hi Gang! The guys that did the Millennium Countdown, KINK in Portland OR, felt there were so many glaring omissions in the listener submitted countdown, that they have dedicated the month of Feb to do a "Best of the Rest" list. The DJ's compiled this list, and although it won't change the screwball order (imho) of the Millennium Countdown, it does give us a chance to play the six degrees to Joni game again. ;-) One of the artists omitted from the millennium list, that should have made the list, will be featured each day. I'll submit, for our game playing, this "Best of the Rest" list, in four equal blocks of seven. (again, I hope people can take these with a grain of salt, and just enjoy our little game aspect.) Penny 28 Count Basie 27 Bo Diddley 26 Charlie Parker 25 The Byrds 24 The Everly Brothers 23 Benny Goodman 22 Les Paul :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:10:48 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Best of the rest (NJC) Haha, I just remembered, this is a leap year! I'll put up 8 artists in the last block. Peace y'all Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:31:20 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Re: NAMM? (NJC) >Mr Dulson, would you refresh my memory. What, again, does NAMM stand >for? Thanks! I believe it is the National Association of Music Merchandisers. It's a huge music-biz trade show. ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 16:46:14 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: live albums (njc) > >That's it - I'm heading for the beach. Never mind that it may be covered >in > >snow and ice. I'm getting the sound of "Tiger Bones" playing in my head > >with the sound of waves pounding - I need to hear this in real life! > >You have to do this - but I'd probably wait for summer! Helen, I actually DID go to the beach on Sunday. I brought my 9-year old who was searching for dinosaur bones (not tiger bones). He picked up some pebbles that he thinks have fossils in them (what would I know about that - they could be little trilobites or tribolites or whatever those little things are called.) Yes, it was cold, but not TOO cold, and the sky was beautiful and so were the waves. There were a heck of a lot more people down there than you might expect given how cold it has been. We discovered many very interesting ice formations on the beach. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:07:50 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: SNL (NJC) Brian Gross wrote: >To which I'll irrevently add: >NIPPLE Anyone else get a kick out of Jennifer Lopez' sprayed-on top on SNL? The song (?) was terrible, her dancing (?) laughable...but I did watch the whole thing. :) ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 17:08:31 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Death & Birth & Death @ Birth & Death & Birth Dear Leslie, I'm behind in reading my posts again so just found out now that Wally has died. I am so sad and so sorry, and yet glad to know that he passed away peacefully and among friends. Good night, sweet Wally, and may flights of angels sing thee to thy rest. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:28:57 EST From: ZZScotty@aol.com Subject: Re: Ordering BSN (NJC) Helen Adcock wrote: "I had a huge argument with the guy (Borders retail) over the phone . . . but he kept saying "it's a 'bargain bin' special, and we can't order it in." . . . The simple question is: Is CDNow or Borders (or some other site I haven't heard of yet) the best place to order BSN from?" Helen: Being a procrastinator, I didn't order until Friday. My recollection is that CDNOW's price was either $40 or $45 - but today, its price is $34.98 (and, if you access CDNOW through the JoniMitchell website, 5% of the proceeds is donated to the website). On Friday afternoon, I ordered from BarnesandNoble.com - because it's price was $39.99. But, I was able to use a coupon for $10 off, and got it for $30 plus shipping. However, I haven't received confirmation yet that they've shipped it. The Barnes & Noble coupon is thanks to Alan Lorimer - however, you can't use the coupon code he gave us about 5 or 6 days ago, since the price had dropped below $40 (by a penny). Use the following coupon codes from Alan's site (http://jonimitchell.freeservers.com/). The following codes are good for only one use each, for $10 off of a purchase of $25 or more: C3S6GHG or CEMPLOY (both expire 9/1/00). I've never ordered from Barnes & Noble before, so I can't comment on their reliability, although CatGirl got her copy from them on Friday. I have ordered from CDNOW.com, and they were reliable. I don't know why you would order from Borders.com if the retail guy didn't know his arse from a hole in the ground. Good luck, Sean ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:45:55 -0500 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Wally I had the great pleasure of spending time with wally during the los angeles leg of the joni-bob-van tour. He brought so much to all of us through his work, his life's purpose in sharing and promoting joni's life and music. And he was instrumental in bringing us all together! I am so happy for the fact that he got to spend time with joni before he left us. Bill Oh we never know where life will take us We know it's just a ride on the wheel And we never know when death will shake us And we wonder how it will feel So goodbye my friend I know I'll never see you again But the time together through all the years Will take away there tears It's O.K. now Goodbye my friend Karla Bonoff Copyright 1988 Seagrape Music (BMI) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 17:45:16 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: PWWAM viewing (SJC) Emily writes: >my friend says, "who the hell is that >chump?" gesturing towards larry, and i explained, getting >irked but also giggling. my friend said "why is he playing >bass like he has to make up for the fact that he's not >jaco?" and i disagreed and tried to argue. but there >was no arguing and my friend was relentless in poking fun >at larry the whole time we watched the video. > >and you know what? now I'VE caught the bug and i DO find >larry's oh-so-into-it facial expressions and such kind >of annoying. or i did last night, i should say. > >isn't that annoying? i'm annoyed that he's gotten me annoyed >about larry! Emily, now that you mention it... I wondered while viewing this video whether Larry Klein was bugging me because of all the Larry-bashing that happens around here and maybe I was being influenced by others. I kept trying to tell myself, "Be nice, now..." I must admit, I find him really irritating too. I kept hoping they'd keep the camera off him. There are closeup shots of all the other musicians playing and they just play. They look like they're enjoying it, but they're into the music. Klein seems to be smirking or somehow suggesting - "Hey, look at me! Am I cool or what!" OK, so maybe I'm being bitchy about it. So, sue me, but I'm with your friend, Emily (but not a fan of the Sex Pistols.) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 17:56:08 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: BSN Evian writes: >Canadian Listers, > I just saw that BSN is available at Chapters, but thank God I >ordered from cdnow... the Canadian price at Chapters is $75.99!!!! Good >Lord.... with my $10 off coupon, it works out cheaper than buying from >Canada. How stupid is that? Even if it takes a month to get here, it's >still better than paying $80 bucks. I hate to break it to you but, even with the $10 off but, by the time you factor in the exchange rate and the cost of shipping, it probably IS going to be close to $80 from CDNow as well (which didn't stop me from ordering from them, since I assumed our stores wouldn't get it at the same time and wouldn't get the special edition either.) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:20:02 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Wally I just got back from my vacation today, and saw the sad news. I've just read everyone's beautiful posts on Wally and how he has impacted the lives of so many. I don't think I have cried so much as I have in the past couple of hours. There's not much I can say that so many of you have already expressed. Wally Breeze is forever in my heart. He did so many wonderful things and helped spread the music, art, and poetry of Joni. He more importantly brought so many people together. People who have become very close to me. I thank him for that. Although I never had the privilege of meeting Wally in person, I was able to talk to him on the phone for a half hour, and we exchanged several emails. I will always cherish the copy of the birthday card that was made for Joni in '98. I asked him to autograph it for me, and I have it framed and sitting on my office desk. I will truly miss him, but I'm glad he's at peace now, and I know he will always be with us. God Bless You Wally Breese. I love You Wally, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 11:42:16 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: SF bad review From the San Francisco Examiner/Chronicle. The review is by longtime music critic Joel Selvin who has been especially unkind to women artists in the past, as well as anyone who was not Bruce Springstein or the Grateful Dead. A ONE-SIDED JONI MITCHELL She may most recall Billie Holiday singing standards in front of a big band, but Joni Mitchell has enough quirks of her own as a vocalist. The punch line to this 12-song set is that she finishes with a smarmy supper-club version of her own bit hit, "Both Sides Now." Although she navigates the brilliant, lush arrangements skillfully enough, she somehow never gets inside the songs. Buy an Ella Fitzgerald record instead. This pricey limited-edition release will be followed next month by a conventional CD. [the Chronicle uses a little man in a theater seat to rate the reviews, cheering wildly for best, empty seat for worst. in this review he is asleep] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:00:00 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: In light of the thread on racism and PC-ness (NJC) I have exhausted my own theories and reasoning on this topic, although the dicussion brought up many vaild points. In light of this thread, and as my (hopefully) own last word on the subject, I came across the following piece in today's newspaper. To the non-UK members among us, it may make for interesting reading : TIME TO REIN IN THE RACE CRUSADERS - (I SHOULD KNOW....I'M ONE OF THEM) by RAJ CHANDRAN - Member of the Commission For Racial Equality (CRE) Jack Straw has just appointed a new chairman to the Commission for Racial Equality. He is Gurbux Singh, a career local government officer. And, as the longest-serving member of the CRE's governing borad, I wish Mr Singh well. But with race relations still in turmoil in the aftermath of the Macpherson Report into the murder of Stepehn Lawrence, I must warn Mr Singh that he will need all the luck he can get. This is particularly true because it is my opinion that the aggressive attitude taken by the CRE in recent years has exacerbated the problems of race in this country. As A Tamil immigrant who came to England to escape racist persecution and discrimination, I have become increasingly disillusioned by the hectoring policies of the CRE. I fear this activism will harm race relations, and I am saddened that the Home Secretary's policies have been encouraged by the CRE under the former chairmanship of Sir Herman Ouseley, a controversial race relations "professional" who has just resigned. Encouraged by Sir Herman, Mr Straw has decided to introduce more 'anit-racism' legislation in order to ban so-called indirect discrimination by the police and other authorities. Already the demoralised police in London are terrified to use their legitimate powers to stop and search suspected wrondoers in case they are accused of racism. No wonder crime in the capital has risen sharply in the past year, as officers came to the conclusion that it was better, for their careers, to be politically correct than to catch criminals. With the support of the CRE, the Home Office has decided most public bodies are to have quotas (which we must learn to call 'targets') for the employment and promotion of non-whites. Is it any wonder that whites resent these planned laws because they feel non-whites are getting unfair advantages? Yet we ethnic minorities already have more than enough legislationto protect us and to ensure we do not suffer discrimination. It is helpful to look at the experience of the US, where anti-discrimination legislation has become ever more detailed and intrusive, and where targets and other forms of 'positive discrimination' in favour of minorities have been in place for more than a generation. Relations between the races remain bad, and white resentment of non-whites who gain university places, scholarships, jobs or promotion, in part because of the colour of their skin, has become so strong that many of these divisive and unsuccessful policies are gradually being dropped. I must remind the activists that we came to this country because we wished to. Unlike America's blacks, our ancestors were not dragged here as slaves. All of us, rich or porr, who have made Britain our home have been badly treated in our countries of origin, otherwise we would not be here. We should recognise that it is due to the tolerant majority of Britons that we Asians and blacks were accepted. It is this tolerance which ensured that in this largely decent and friendly country, Enoch Powell's predictions of 'rivers of blood' never came true. So why - given this background - did Mr Straw take his latest iniative? I can only guess, but it is a logical consequence of the bizarre and provocative judgement by the Government that all our police forces, most other public bodies and commercial concerns are guilty of 'institutional racism'. This is an alarming example of liberal guilt which can only encourage a white backlash and disguise genuine acts of prejudice and discrimination. Already, there are signs of growing white resentment. It is my view that race relations in this country are at the lowest ebb I can remember. Black and Asian youngsters do not go out to pubs and clubs without fear of violence. Parents are fearfulwhen the phone rings late at night, or when they hear a police car's siren, in case they are about to learn that their son or daughter has fallen victim to a racist attack. Yet these are British-born black and Asian youngsters, whose aspirations and ambitions are the same as those of the white youths with whom they go to school or college. Something has obviously gone wrong and it is easy to say that all white Britons are racists, discriminating (if only subconsciously) however much they kid themselves that they are colour-blind. This is sheer nonsense. But I am sorry to say that it is a nonsense encouraged by the former chairman and the CRE. Yet I was proud when I was appointed to the CRE because I thought I could help preach love and harmony between the races. How wrong I was! I found myself in a minority among those overseeing the work of a generously funded and largely unaccountable body whose aggressive and divisive policies had the no-doubt unintentional effect of undermining good race relations and encouraging hatred and fear (strong words, but I use them deliberately) between the Asian and black communities, and the white community. Who can forget that disastrous advertising camaign which played on white fears and negative stereotypes of blacks and Asians? I recall, with particular distaste, one poster showing a white woman looking fearfully at a black man on a near-empty bus, over the slogan "Because it's a jungle out there". What activists such as Sir Herman, and the politicians who listen to them, appear to have forgotten is that the white people of Britain have proved to be a most tolerant race, welcoming strangers to their shores in a manner which few other nations would have done. All I can say to those immigrants resentful of their lot is this : prejudice is almost certainly worse back home and, if you are a poor person in Britain, with its relatively generous welfare system, free health service and free schooling, you are far better off than a poor person in our countries of origin. Sometimes I wish Mr Syraw would speak equally bluntly. I have a further ten months to serve at the CRE. My wish is that under the new chairman we become a 'white-friendly' organisation which publicises the great contribution that minority communities are making to this, our common country. It is high time the CRE ceased to emphasise the things which divide us from each other. (Copyright 2000, The Daily Mail Newspaper) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 14:28:41 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Saddened From: "tiajjm" Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 16:07:16 -0500 I haven't posted to this board for over a year. I've kept up with what's been going on with Joni through the website and through posts. Part of the reason I stopped posting was that I just got "too into it", finding myself emotionally involved to the point that I needed a break. So I've taken a long one and now come up for air to say that I'm very sad over the loss of Wally. He is responsible for bringing me this outlet and for sharing my love of Joni for so long. I know now that the peace he has found is one that makes up for the long suffering he endured. - -Juliette ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 14:27:58 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #73 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 13:05:06 -0500 From: molin@dennisinter.com (Lisa Molin) I am incredibly saddened by the news of Wally Breese's death. It comes as a complete shock, as I've been away from the JMDL community since Nov. '99. Wally's life made plain the notion of how one life can change so many lives in such a positive way. His passion and creativity gave birth to jonimitchell.com - a beautiful site for Joni's fans to visit and enjoy. From this creation - another birth - the wonderful community of people who cherish Joni as much as Wally did. What an inspiration he was. What a fine human being so full of life and love. I felt close to him even though I did not know him. My sincerest condolences go out to those people who were closest to Wally (his best friends, his family). I hope you will find comfort in the love that surrounds you. What is eery is I had digests in my inbox this morning. I haven't subscribed to the digests since I started my new job in Nov. How did they find me at my new email address? It is a mystery to me. Finally, I send condolences to fellow jmdler's - to those people who may have personally known Wally. I hope you will find comfort in knowing we all share your grief and sorrow. God Bless You, Wally Breese. May you rest in peace. Lisa Molin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 13:31:41 PST From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: BSN Good news for me!!! The following items were included in this shipment: - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Qty Item Price Shipped Subtotal - --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 Both Sides Now [Limited] $44.97 1 $44.97 - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Item Subtotal: $44.97 Shipping & Handling: $0.95 Total: $45.92 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- How long do you think it's gonna take to reach the other side of the Atlantic? I don't know why, but in the back of my mind BSN is Wally's Joni 's CD. There's his mark on it in some way. Raffaele in London, very impatient... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:08:56 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: BSN Raffaele wrote: >I don't know why, but in the back of my mind BSN is Wally's Joni 's CD. >There's his mark on it in some way. Well, as far as I can tell from the report of his weekend with Joni, he was responsible for Joni using her original artwork on the limited edition (and I expect the "regular" CD) rather than the graphic arts package she'd been sent. From Wally's Weekend With Joni: "When she asked me which package idea I liked better I told her, "I always love to see your paintings, of course, since it makes your work so personal. But if it would stress you out less and get the album out quicker, the traditional-looking package is perfectly fine." (The original paintings won out in the end.)" I think Wally could definitely claim that he had a hand in creating yet another work of art from Joni! And I agree, it does feel like "his" Joni CD in some way, which is a perfect tribute to them both. Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:26:14 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: LKDL Strikes Again (was PWWAM viewing NJC) Well I see The Larry Klein Defamation League (LKDL) clique is in full flush! Now I'm a smirking, annoying Jaco P. wannabe. What do you people want? John McVie? If so, then take out PWWAM and put on "The Dance" for chirssakes ... Larry Klein ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:11:17 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni in LA Times Thanks to Deb for posting the article and review from yesterday's Times. (Gee - 2 1/2 stars - that's what the first Tinker CD got...Hmmm.. :) )There was also a stunning photo by Kirk McCoy of a radiant Joni, wrinkles and all. She looks terrific! Across from the review is a Tower Records for BSN - with tiny text that is practically unreadable. They do mention jonimitchell.com, though. I didn't get my act together to go out and get extra copies. Sorry. ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 18:32:33 -0500 From: Matt Jones Subject: ACADEMIC NEEDS JONI SHEET MUSIC DESPERATELY...WILL PAY I am a University of Georgia music major, working on an AB in Music Theory. For my senior thesis, I am writing a book on the music of Joni Mitchell.....the only problem standing in my way at this point is that I do not have access to sheet music from all of Joni's albums. I intend to take each album song by song in my book; however, to perform the type of analysis I intend to do, I must have the music. If anyone can help me, I am willing to pay for joni songbooks!!! Please help me!! I've tried again and again to win them on Ebay, but that is almost impossible to do. I would even take photocopies of the music and am willing to pay for those. (and yes I understand that they are copywrited, but this is for academic research and they WILL be destroyed after completion of the book.) Without your help, the past 4 years of my life may very well have been in vain b/c I cannot graduate without this book!!!!!! Much peace and love Matt Jones University of Georgia School of Music Athens, GA musicmat@arches.uga.edu musicmat@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 15:56:12 PST From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Awaiting BSN!! Hello, All, I am getting very nervous about receiving BSN, Ltd. Ed. I ordered it several weeks ago from Reprise. I haven't been charged yet, or seen anything in my mailbox. Haven't had a note telling me it's on the way, either!! After reading of some similar concerns, I had to throw in my own paranoia. They wouldn't play some kind of cruel joke, would they?? After an avalanche of good advice, I did the S & L deed.....yup, I bought it! What a fool I am sometimes. To all who gave it such high marks, I am in total agreement. The sound is exceptional for a live recording. I was wrong....you were right...and thanks for being so. Nervously, with love, Russ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 17:17:39 -0700 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Punk (NJC) another "music slut" chimes in: XTC's album Skylarking is one of my favorite albums...always takes me right back to high school. definately a good place to start if you want to know what they are about. on the "punk" strain of things... I was just at Sundance film festival and got to see the new Julien Temple documentary about the Sex Pistols called "the Filth and the Fury". It was excellent, and I think even people who weren't big punk fans would find it fascinating. The documentation of the scene in britain, how the whole punk music scene was born and flourished and became so powerful and important. It's very good, although I don't know when/if it will ever be in wide release. emily, as for X, I was a huge fan back in the day. I saw Exene play solo several times years and years ago, but have no idea what she is doing now. I think John Doe is still making music too, but I don't know of any specifics. final thought: i am pretty sure that elvis costello is god. (yeah, yeah, i am probably biased because of my name...) alison e. in slc. - ---------- >From: Emily Kirk Gray >To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >Subject: Re: Punk (NJC) >Date: Sun, Feb 6, 2000, 8:46 AM > > >bob, definitely, definitely on the bands you listed, >especially: > >the clash's "combat rock" -- how great is it to blare >a song like "know your rights": "THIS IS A PUBLIC >SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT....WITH GUITAR!!!!!!!" > >and anything elvis costello: recently i've been listening >to his "crooner" stuff, like the country album "almost blue" >and that record he did with burt bacharach (sp?), but nothing >can beat early angry elvis: >"don't tell me you don't know the difference >between a lover and a fighter >with my pen and my electric typewriter >even in a perfect world where everyone is equal >i'd still own the film rights and be working on the sequel" > -- but the name of the group reminds >me of one of my all-time favorite punk bands, X...anyone >else like them? i wonder what exene is doing these days -- >i saw her name on a spoken-word poetry event flyer once >last year -- hmmm. > >-- emily > >NP: "the gallery," joni > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:50:44 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Bye Wally I've just caught up to the news that Wally has passed on. My thoughts today are with Wally, his dear friends Jim and Leslie, his family. My heart is all at once sad and full of gratitude for Wally and the beauty and joy he brought to us all. I owe my renewed and unabashed love of Joni to Wally. Since I've found the website three years ago, my life has been deeply enriched. Thank you for touching my life, Wally. Your smile will radiate in my mind's eye as long as Joni's music continues to fill my head and heart. Peace and love, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 22:19:55 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: BSN reviews I am flabbergasted at the lukewarm reviews of BSN I've read so far. I'm not a starry-eyed defender of everything Joni has ever done, and I am blown away by this album! Her singing is both traditionally beautiful AND full of heart and soul. The new version of "Both Sides Now" DOES surpass the original, IMO. I'll hold off on my detailed review until more people have their copies in hand, but let's just say that the critics (those heard from so far) are suffering from ear mites. Side note: my library is having a Romance Book 'n Bake sale this weekend, and they're looking for some nice romantic background music. I think I found some! Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 22:38:45 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Awaiting BSN!! In a message dated 2/7/00 6:01:50 PM US Central Standard Time, rustytrazom@hotmail.com writes: << I am getting very nervous about receiving BSN, Ltd. Ed. I ordered it several weeks ago from Reprise. I haven't been charged yet, or seen anything in my mailbox. Haven't had a note telling me it's on the way, either!! >> Yeah, I checked on my CDNow order, Russ, and all it says is "Processing"...could it be OVERWHELMING DEMAND? Doubt it...I think they should change their name to "CD a week or two from Now" :~) Actually I shouldn't complain - I've always gotten a fair shake from those guys. And I was thinking, here i sit worried about getting my exclusive copy of BSN, meanwhile millions of people around the world will go to sleep not having eaten a bite. Made me feel pretty crappy, but at least I'm not so worried anymore about receiving my disc! Bob NP: Branford Marsalis, "16th St. Baptist Church" (Thanks Paz!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 22:41:38 EST From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: rickie lee jones (NJC) hey y''all for you rlj fans- there is a new website- assembled by her friend pennyhead- with some neat photos and writings. also- there's a quote from my roommate on the splash page at the bottom! also- she's in new york recording an albumn for verve! joe jackson's on it- and van morrison, bjork, chrisie hyndes.... thought you might be interested www.rickieleejones.com thanks doug chicago np: june tabor: a quiet eye hi david! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 22:45:57 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Punk (NJC) Alison, whose aim is true, writes: << XTC's album Skylarking is one of my favorite albums...always takes me right back to high school. definately a good place to start if you want to know what they are about. >> Masterful production by Todd Rundgren, who they fought tooth and nail with but in the end respected what he did...Terry, have you got your copy of it yet?! Andy & Colin (not Catman) need all those royalty pennies! :~) << final thought: i am pretty sure that elvis costello is god. >> Gee, I was always hoping God would have a better haircut! :~) Bob, always honored to be in the presence of fellow sluts... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:40:49 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Punk (NJC) In a message dated 2/7/2000 10:49:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << .Terry, have you got your copy of it yet?! >> Just put my order in, Bob. Got a $10 coupon off too. Alan, check out flamingoworld.com for a zillion coupon/codes. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:54:56 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Joni & Johnny Rotten Well, the discussion of the dichotomies of The Sex Pistols and Joni and those liking one never being able to appreciate the other triggered my mind. I remember reading that Joni liked Johnny when she met him, and found an excerpt on Les' site from the interview Joni did with Morrissey, something like "Melancholy Meets the Infinite Sadness" -- Morrissey: "I found it interesting that in between Joni Mitchell and The Sex Pistols there was supposed to be a massive divide" Joni: "There wasn't. When I met Johnny Rotten I liked him immediately. He was younger than I was, but he was a lot like I was in high school; fashion conscious, kind of pale and pimply [what?! our Joan with a spot, as the Brits say??] and avoiding the sun But I'm a punk. I've never really been in the mainstream. Not that being a punk is a good thing necessarily (laughs). Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:24:12 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: The Voice Sorry for picking on you, Catman. BSN is due at the local Borders tomorrow (Tuesday). I checked Best Buy & NRM today & they couldn't verify. Tonight I played Joni At Woodstock '98 for the second time since CatGirl kindly sent me the CD last year. A friend immediately borrowed it to tape & just brought it back this afternoon. I've been playing it over & over all evening, totally blown away! Better sound & selection than PWWAM IMNSHO.... Slouching Towards Bethlehem ROCKS! Every song shines! I can see why Joni decided to do an entirely vocal album following her '98 tour because her voice has never sounded so rich, relaxed & flexible. Having this funny feeling that I'll be a pile of mush for the next few days, E.T. NP: Joni At Woodstock '98 __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:19:04 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: BSN Reviews Deb Messling writes: <> I am so glad to hear you say this!!! Not to concerned yet about the lukewarm press, (for Joni, what's new! They'll rave about it in a few years.), but with not a word from the ones who have offically received it, I was getting really nervous about it's reception. I'm so in for a change of pace, from opera to Joni singing standards, I didn't want my expectations to have been set too high. So thanks, I had a big sigh of relief in reading your enthusiastic impressions. Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #79 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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