From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #74 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, February 5 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 074 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Mourner's Kaddish [Brian Gross ] A Prayer [Brian Gross ] Wally [Emily Kirk Gray ] Wally [Kate Tarasenko ] Re: NZ Music (NJC) ["Alan Lorimer" ] Wally ["Beverly" ] Re: Wally ["Beverly" ] Re: Wally Breeze ["Alan Lorimer" ] Re: Joni Article in TIME magazine ["Alan Lorimer" ] just GOT BSN today 2/4!!! [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Brain Drain on Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Wally [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Wally ["Mark or Travis" ] Wally [KCooper984@aol.com] [none] [Walter R Rodgers III ] Audiophiles Only NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] thanks wally ["Takats, Angela" ] [none] [Walter R Rodgers III ] Wally [Deb Messling ] Goodbye, Wally [Melinda Everett ] Re: Political Correctness (NJC) ["Alan Lorimer" ] goodbye dear Wally ["Sue Cameron" ] Re: NZ Music (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Wally [Scott and Jody ] Goodbye, Wally [Robert Holliston ] Wally [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:19:51 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Mourner's Kaddish Yit-ga-dal v'yit-ka-dash sh'may ra-bo, B'ol-mo dee-v'ro chir-u-tay, v'yam-lich mal-chu-tay B'cha-yay-chon uv-yo-may-chon, uv-cha-yay d'chol bayt yis-ro-ayl Ba-a-go-lo u-viz'man ko-reev, v'yim-ru ameyn Y'hay sh'may ra-bo m'vo-rach, l'o-lam ul-ol-may ol-may-oh Yit-bo-rach v'yish-ta-bach, v'yit-po-ar v'yit-ro-mam, v'yit-na-say V'yit-ha-dar, v'yit-a-leh, v'yit-ha-lal sh'may d'ku-d'sho b'rich hu: L'ay-lo min kol bir-cho-to v'shee-ro-to, Tush-b'cho-to v'neh-che-mo-to, da-a-mee-ron b'ol-mo, V'yim-ru ameyn Y'hay sh'lo-mo ra-bo min sh'ma-yo, V'cha-yeem o-lay-nu v'al kol yis-ro-ayl, v'yim-ru ameyn O-seh sho-lom bim-ro-mov, hu ya-a-seh sho-lom O-lay-nu v'al kol yis-ro-ayl, v'yim-ru ameyn. God bless you Wally. Rest in peace Brian ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:22:11 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: A Prayer O God, full of compassion, Thou who dwellest on high! Grant perfect rest beneath the sheltering wings of Thy presence, among the holy and pure who shine as the brightnessof the firmament unto the soul of Wally Breese who has gone unto eternity. Lord of mercy, bring him under the cover of thy wings, and let his soul be bound up in the bond of eternal life. Be Thou his possession, and may his repose be peace. Amen. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:58:29 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: Wally my condolences go out to jim, leslie, and wally's family and loved ones. i'm sad and sorry and yet...i have this image in my mind of wally's wonderful smile (that i only ever saw in pictures) and of the beautiful story i read a short while ago about his and jim's great visit with joni. it feels good to be participating in this list today -- like our internet circle is a tiny heart of love and support beating away in a strange huge electronic system -- thanks, wally - -- emily ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 17:23:25 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: Wally My prayers for peace and healing go out to Jim, and also to Wally's and Jim's families and friends. Thanks always to Les for providing us with this forum to share our joys, as well as this sorrow. Kate in CO ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 11:05:38 +1100 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: NZ Music (NJC) Hell, Didn't Dave Dobyn do the theme music for the movie version of the Footrot Flats cartoon strip? Actually what many people probably don't realise is that many "Australian" Artists and Bands are former New Zealanders. Not to mention Scottish, English, Canadian, ... Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania NP: Sounds of Silence (Simon and Garfunkel) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 20:09:24 -0500 From: "Beverly" Subject: Wally "No one's death comes to pass without making some impression, and those close to the deceased inherit part of the liberated soul and become richer in their humaneness." ~ Hermann Broch A quotation from a card I received when dad died last January. I liked this quotation. It offered hope when there was sorrow. Bev NP - Woodstock sung by Wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 20:18:07 -0500 From: "Beverly" Subject: Re: Wally LL shared: >My heart is full with all of the love and regard expressed for >Wally. Expectation doesn't always make loss easier...hardly ever, in >fact. A friend of mine went through "the door" just this autumn, and to >comfort me, another friend forwarded me this piece the departed friend had >written when her own close friend and mentor died. > >Missing You > >I miss you. I really do...That is all that is left to me now ... to imitate you, >impersonate you, glorify you in my own esprit. Thanks so much for sharing this beautiful piece of writing. Bev > > > > >lyric@usadatanet.net > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:27:54 +1100 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Wally Breeze I've just finished reading through everyone's beautiful posts on the passing of Wally. I think we should also remember and thank those wonderful people whose direct care and devotion has allowed Wally to finish his life with such dignity. Wally will always be with us, we will never forget him. Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:31:06 +1100 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Joni Article in TIME magazine I recently had discussions with Laura regarding a Joni article which was published in Time magazine in 1998. I subsequently found that article on the JMDL website. This is a classic Joni article, even if you've read this article before whether in TIME or at JMDL, go back and have another read :-) Burning Bright- by Christoper John Farley - October 12 Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 20:37:15 -0500 (EST) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Political Correctness (NJC) Alan Lorimer wrote: > I have just spent over 3 hours surfing the net trying to find out what > PC actually means. Is this a real term describing a process which will > benefit society, or is just a philosophical concept invented by the > Intellectual and Social elites. How can members be debating this topic > if they don't know what the topic really is? I think the *name* may have been invented by the "intellectual and social elites," but they didn't invent the concept behind it. And I guess it's as good and "real" a term as any to describe that concept. As to what that concept is, I think different people have different personal ways of looking at it, so I don't think you're going to get a "real, verifiable [What makes *any* definition "verifiable"?? Definitions are, by definition, arbitrary.], clear" definition of political correctness -- I don't think it's entirely possible. For one thing, I think Mary P. and I would draw a certain distinction between what we consider political correctness, and what it has been defined (or redefined, or caricatured) as by, among other things, a reactionary media backlash. (I think this is why the phrase is often used in quotation marks - -- i.e., the distinction between political correctness and "political correctness.") I *don't* think that makes the concept less real, though, at least not to me. And we would still be dealing with the concept no matter what label we give it. I think that most of this thread has been about the label rather than the ideas being labeled, in a sense -- but as the two are closely intertwined, that's by no means an insignificant part of the discussion. And on that subject: LL wrote: > Absolutely. Why does it have to be politically correct, though, I > wonder. Why not "ethically correct?" Why not "correct?" "Political" > carries with it the assumption that one's politics are more correct than > anothers. That breaks us into "sides." Hello, LL. I've been enjoying your exchange with Mary P. I kind of wonder at the above, however: doesn't it seem that you've already decided that "political correctness" is a bad thing, and now some people have identified what they consider honorable aspects of "political correctness," you're trying to create some separate category for them to avoid having to consider "political correctness" (whatever it is) as something potentially positive? I ask respectfully -- I think we can happily agree to disagree on this particular terminology. But as to why I don't have any problem with "politically" as opposed to "ethically" correct: I think "political" in this context doesn't connote something like Republican vs. Democrat or liberal vs. conservative, and doesn't divide us into sides any more than "ethical" does. Rather, I think it recognizes that the issues surrounding the concept of "correctness," issues of justice, discrimination, and inequities of power in society -- as Mary P. said, "who determines what is 'humorous,' and by what societal power do they enjoy the right to do so?" - -- *are* inherently *political* ones, as well as ethical and moral ones. Enthusiastically, - --David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 20:50:14 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: just GOT BSN today 2/4!!! Hey gaang! I just gopt Joni's candy box in the mail today! The packaging is exceptional!! It is a rather over sized box. It is gorgeous!! HOWEVER!!!!! The CD is very scratched up looking and YES it SKIPS!! I am very upset about the whole thing and will have to return it . I bought two..opening box TWO now ..hold on....perfect! Don't it figure! I will still return the one. It looks horrible. It lokks like it came out of my son's bedroom which means it had been sitting on the floor under the bed etc!! NP:Comes Love~! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 20:57:43 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Brain Drain on Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada NJC Someone mentioned Regina, Saskachewan, Canada -- from my dictionary: Regina Regina (rî-jì´ne) The capital and largest city of Saskatchewan, Canada, in the southern part of the province southeast of Saskatoon. It was the capital of the Northwest Territories until the province of Saskatchewan was created in 1905. Population, 162,613. [The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition is licensed from Houghton Mifflin Company. Copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. Selected Illustrations from the Concise Columbia Encyclopedia. Copyright © 1991 by Columbia University Press.] - --------------------------------------------------------- from my encyclopedia: Regina Regina (rî-jì´ne), city (1991 pop. 179,178), provincial capital, S Saskatchewan, W Canada, on Wascana Creek and Lake. Oil refining and the processing of agricultural products are major industries. Regina (named in honor of Queen Victoria) was founded in 1882 and was the capital (1883-1905) of the Northwest Territories before becoming (1905) the capital of newly created Saskatchewan. [The Concise Columbia Encyclopedia is licensed from Columbia University Press. Copyright © 1991 by Columbia University Press. All rights reserved.] from my history book: Political Events, 1882 Canada creates the District of Saskatchewan; the town of Regina is founded on the route of the Canadian Pacific Railway being constructed by Cornelius Van Horne (see 1881). Regina will be headquarters for the 9-year-old Northwest Mounted Police. [The People's Chronology is licensed from Henry Holt and Company, Inc. Copyright © 1992 by James Trager. All rights reserved.] All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 21:09:14 -0500 (EST) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Wally Wally's death made me sad and contemplative today, a bright cold grey day with frequent showers of snow. I'm happy to read just now, from Catgirl's post, that Joni's new BSNs are starting to arrive! A death and a "birth" in our community on the same day?....the timing seems oddly right -- like a sign that in the coming days the spirit of what Wally started will go on stronger than ever. Love, - --David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 21:09:15 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Wally In a message dated 2/4/00 6:02:02 PM US Central Standard Time, ekg200@is5.nyu.edu writes: << it feels good to be participating in this list today -- like our internet circle is a tiny heart of love and support beating away in a strange huge electronic system -- >> Agreed, Em...I feel like I'm reaching out and holding hands with you guys... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:27:06 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Wally I was in the shower, thinking about the song 'Urge for Going' , singing a few lines to myself this morning when Travis poked his head in the bathroom door to tell me that Wally had passed away. He got the urge for going And I had to let him go Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not. And so now we all have to do just that....let him go. He fought a good fight. Held out for as long as he could. But I'm so relieved that he isn't suffering anymore. My hope is that his legacy will continue. Like so many of us, I too put 'Joni Mitchell' into the search engine when the computer first appeared in my house and came to Wally's incredible site. We had a 14.4 modem in those days and it took forever to download but I was so excited to find all of that wonderful stuff about Joni. I was also amazed to find a soul who was even more into her than I was. Wally started the cafe and one of the first people I ever communicated with via email about Joni was Sue McNamara. The rest, (with a big boost from Les Irvin) as they say, is history. I hope the website continues, now as a tribute to Wally as well as Joni. My heart goes out to Jim & Leslie. I know your vigil has been a loving & long one. You are loving friends & you have done a good work. I only met Wally once. It was at the Gorge & I think it was on the very day when he finally met Joni. But even though I didn't have the chance to really get to know him well, I share your grief as we all do. You are in my thoughts & prayers. I sang 'Woodstock' to myself & to the sky & the breeze as I walked at lunch today. Even attempted a bit of the hyuddahs. I didn't sing it this way, but in my mind the chorus went like this: He is stardust He is golden And he finally got himself Back to the garden...... Enjoy your new existence outside of your physical body, Wally. It may have frustrated & failed you in the end but you did not fail. Your spirit was true up till the very last and now it is free. I don't feel that a star has gone out. I think there is a new one in the heavens now. Love to all, Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 21:36:04 EST From: KCooper984@aol.com Subject: Wally I can't help but express my sadness in learning of Wally's passing. And though I never had the pleasure of meeting Wally I felt as though I knew him through his wonderful Joni web site. I guess we are all feeling "all emotions and abstractions....." I keep thinking of: Sweet Bird Out on some borderline Some mark of in between I lay down golden in time And woke up vanishing...... ............Give me some time I feel like I'm losing my mind Out here on this horizon line With the earth spinning And the sky forever rushing No one knows They can never get that close Guesses at most Guesses based on what each set of time and change is touching I guess these times always makes us remember that we are all so close to that line......... Let us all appreciate today. Let's celebrate Wally and what he was.... He still lives on in our hearts..... A restful peace to Wally and Jim and families. Sue Cooper ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 21:40:23 -0500 From: Walter R Rodgers III Subject: [none] When I first began browsing the web, one of the first things I went looking for was Joni. For years prior to this, I didn't know anyone who shared even a small fraction of my love and enthusiasm for Joni's music. It was like a secret love affair. I figured I was either loopy or a genius, more likely the former. Then I came across Wally's site... another fan -- couldn't believe it! It was nice enough to know I wasn't crazy, but to boot Wally's site was politely passionate, sincere, articulate and downright friendly. I spent hours over several days pouring over the site and it read like a great book. I wrote Wally a couple of times to thank him for all he did, and in my mind he'll always be linked to Joni. God bless. Walter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 21:37:19 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Audiophiles Only NJC You and lots of others! I've noticed that there are lots of "cutout" DJRD in the record stores of southern Ohio, FWIW. Catherine in Toronto said: > For some reason, I never got DJRD when it came out. Jim Hail Wally! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 13:50:27 +1100 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: thanks wally I went to the joni homepage this morning and saw Wally's lovely face and I became so sad...but I know i shouldn't be...from what I've read - he had lots of people that loved him lots during his time here...he gave us so much through sharing his passion for Joni Mitchell with the whole world...thanks Wally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 22:22:04 -0500 From: Walter R Rodgers III Subject: [none] Re: Wally and Joni It occurred to me that in a lot of ways Wally's site was like Joni herself... articulate, insightful, reserved and a little private on one hand and open and expressive on the other. Walter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 22:46:36 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Wally My condolences to Wally's friend and family. Although selfishly I feel sad as hell about the loss our community has suffered today, I'm glad that Wally is at peace and that in his final days he enjoyed the comfort of loving friends, and the comfort of knowing that his beautiful accomplishment will live on. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 22:03:34 -0600 From: Melinda Everett Subject: Goodbye, Wally It is very healing to be able to grieve with all of you. Goodbye, Wally. May you move with grace and ease to your next "destination." I would like to extend comfort and blessings to Wally's closest friends, who experience his absense in a much more tangible way than I do. May you be soothed . . . Love, Melinda in Austin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 15:45:47 +1100 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Political Correctness (NJC) David, Thank you for your explanation. If we can't adequately define PC we can't debate it. People have got different views on this topic and I suspect they are too diverse to allow reasonable discussion on this topic. We can, on the other hand, discuss (as opposed to debate or worse) real issues facing society today such as racism, sexism and all forms of bigotry. Just as an example, why can't we expect people to treat each other with respect? You should treat others how you expect to be treated yourself. It quickly follows that you don't label people in a manner that is offensive or partonising. If people say the wrong thing, you can explain why what they are saying is offensive instead of trying to tell them to be PC. I'm just trying to say that we should treat issues as issues. And more importantly as concepts that all people can come to terms with. This is especially true considering the varied backgrounds of members on a list such as this. ps Fellow JMDL members, if youre sick of the PC content, please tell us to shut up ;-) Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 23:58:08 -0500 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: goodbye dear Wally With dread I have been checking Jonimitchell.com. The word from Wally was always anticipated with such joy, and now such sorrow. I sit at my keyboard and my tears are shed in remorse but also in relief that Wally's pain is now over. Thank you Jim for watching over him in his time of need. Our thoughts and prayers might have been with Wally but you were the one that treated him. Thank you for being there. To you dear Wally. What would we all have without you? Because of you we are one, and now that you are gone your memory will live in the hearts and minds of many. You brought together an eclectic group of souls who felt the same as you, and collectively we cry out in our sadness this Friday February fourth. Goodbye sweet friend who gave me the opportunity to meet Joni Mitchell. Farwell fond fellow who passed on my story to SIQUOMB. This day is remembered with an emptiness that can only be filled with Joni's voice. I think I will go and play Blue Motel Room in Wally's memory. I got a blue motel room with a blue bed spread I got the blues inside and outside my head............. Goodbye wonderful Wally, who opened a world to me that I never thought was possible..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 18:43:16 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: NZ Music (NJC) Alan wrote: >Didn't Dave Dobyn do the theme music for the movie version of the >Footrot Flats cartoon strip? Yes, he did. The song "Slice of Heaven" (sung with Herbs) is the theme song, and was a huge hit here. By the way, I thought I'd type a few more lyrics from Dave Dobbyn, for no reason other than they relate to a recent JMDL thread .....(I'm not taking any particular position, it just seemed appropriate!): PC (from the album "Twist") watching daytime tv one of those obscene i'm fat it's your fault sessions one fat guy crying spilling his beans now enter the therapist well she can't speak for crying too pc - play hopscotch thru a minefield pc - it's easy cheesy pleasy speak some geek from the gender sanitation police well hush my mouth now and roll me over in mud Hell P.S. If anyone would like to hear more of Dave Dobbyn, or any other Kiwi singer, I'd be happy to make tapes. Just send me a message and we can sort out the details. I can also REALLY recommend Shona Laing - wonderful lyricist! NP: Dave Dobbyn - PC "how can you tell it like it is anymore...." _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 00:06:32 -0600 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Wally " A longing fulfilled is sweet to the soul." - Book of Proverbs 13:19 Thank you Wally! jody ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 22:10:18 -0800 From: Robert Holliston Subject: Goodbye, Wally How very hard it is to say goodbye to someone you've never met, but who has brought so much joy, and such a sense of community to your life! Wally, you created something very beautiful and far-reaching: you, along with Les, made it possible for this family to exist. And not an atypical family, either: we have our ups and downs, our disagreements. But we are fueled by love: for Joni, for you, and for one another. It was so hard to look at your beautiful smiling face at jonimitchell.com and read that your life on this earth has ended. You will be sorely missed, and always loved. My heartfelt condolences to Jim and to Leslie, those great friends of Wally who helped him through the worst of times - and were with him to celebrate the happiest of times. I know I've posted these lines from Hermann Hesse before, but here they are again. For Wally Breese: And the unwatched soul will soar in free flight, till in the magic circle of night it lives deeply and a thousand times more......... Goodbye, Wally! with much love, Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 22:31:44 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Wally Wally, The Lord bless you, and keep you; The Lord make His face shine on you, And be gracious to you; The Lord lift up His countenance on you, And give you peace. Numbers 6: 24-26 These are the clouds of Michelangelo Muscular with gods and sungold Shine on your witness in the refuge of eternal roads. JM (with one minor liberty) May you be blessed in your rest. Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #74 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?