From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #73 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, February 4 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 073 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: WHEN IS THE BOX SET COMING OUT? ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: HOSL - NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: live albums (njc) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Big Yellow Taxi - now NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: NZ Music njc ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Political Correctness (NJC) ["Alan Lorimer" ] John!!! [catman ] Re: Neil Diamond ["Neil E. Orts" ] RE: "Political correctness," etc. (NJC) WAR!!!! [luvart@snet.net] Wally Breese [Susan McNamara ] Wally ["Ross, Les" ] Death & Birth & Death @ Birth & Death & Birth [Leslie Mixon ] I stole this one ... for Wally [Don Rowe ] Wally ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Wally Breese ["Brett Code" ] Re: "Political correctness," etc. (NJC) [Siresorrow@aol.com] Fw: Wally Breese ["gene mock" ] wally [Wolfebite@aol.com] "Once more, with feeling!" (NJC) ["Pitassi, Mary" ] Re: Wally [michael w yarbrough ] Re: BSN Now Shipping [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] New (to me!) Joni! ["Pitassi, Mary" ] Wally ["Mark T. Domyancich" ] Wally [Randy Remote ] Re: Wally Breese [MDESTE1@aol.com] Wally ["Neil E. Orts" ] Past Trees [Michael Cooper ] Wally [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: New (to me!) Joni! [Don Rowe ] Re: Wally [TerryM2442@aol.com] Wally ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: New (to me!) Joni! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: New (to me!) Joni! [catman ] Dearest Wally: Goodnight, sweet prince... [jw1327@rcn.com] On Wally's Passing ... [Lindsay Moon ] Wally ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Wally and jonimitchell.com [Medric Faulkner ] Pint-Sized Joni Singers [Lindsay Moon ] Wally's gift ["rick novosel" ] The Wally Breese Memorial Fund [AsharaJM@aol.com] The best tribute ["Pitassi, Mary" ] A Dark Day ["Russell Bowden" ] Re: New (to me!) Joni! [Jason Maloney ] Wally Breese [Vince Lavieri ] Wally [LL ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 01:57:21 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: WHEN IS THE BOX SET COMING OUT? Randy Remote wrote:~) << I have heard of no plans or rumours of one. I would agree that a big fat one is long overdue. >> Hear hear! I second that emotion. Can you imagine 4 CD's of remastered rarities - demos & live dubs!!! HOW can Joni possibly be against this idea?! I think she is confusing boxed sets with greatest hits. Or perhaps she knows her best work is yet to come. Judging from the progression of her catalogue I suddenly see the wisdom of her holding out.... E.T. __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 22:53:38 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: HOSL - NJC Bob wrote (about the JM Companion): >Even for someone who can't relate much to the technical >music analysis, it was fascinating reading...again, highly >recommended! ***** > >After that it'll be "Long Time Gone" about David Crosby. And I can thoroughly recommend "Long Time Gone". I've read it several times, and not surprisingly, there's quite a bit of Joni content! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 23:01:16 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: live albums (njc) >That's it - I'm heading for the beach. Never mind that it may be covered in >snow and ice. I'm getting the sound of "Tiger Bones" playing in my head >with the sound of waves pounding - I need to hear this in real life! You have to do this - but I'd probably wait for summer! But seriously, it was the best - possibly the only - way to hear this album. I just wish I'd had Night Ride Home with me as well. The combination of the "chirping crickets" in the title song with the surf would have been just incredible! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 23:02:29 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Big Yellow Taxi - now NJC Catherine wrote: >> This must be admit-my-ignorance/confessional day. I've seen the name Robbie >> Williams mentioned before. Who he? Qu'est-ce qu'un Robbie Williams? Is he >> someone my kids would likely know about? What is/are his big hit(s)? And Jerry replied: >This may be more than you want to know. To which I reply with the old expression: "Ignorance is bliss"! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 23:24:48 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: NZ Music njc >Dave Dobbyn, unlike Neil Finn, perhaps hasn't achieved fame outside >Australasia though he IMO he deserves to. He writes great songs and is >no mean hand at the guitar. I definitely second that! Dave Dobbyn is a wonderful lyricist, as John said, and if anyone wants an album recommendation, try "The Optimist" (actually listed under DD Smash, but there was only him and Peter Warren on drums) or "Loyal" - the title song is wonderful! He has also just released an anthology-type album (it's name escapes me for the moment), which has songs from his first band Th'Dudes in the late 70's through to today. Hell Some snippets of Dave Dobbyn's lyrics: GUILTY When the cold light of dawn Eats the shadow on your face You can read every line Map every trace And the crowfeet eyes You acquired in one year Oh, the less said the more sung I just won't scream and holler I just want to scream - yeah! LANGUAGE My hands are tied Oh I could be a victim When my tongue won't move You have it tied with your heartstrings and When I needed you most I couldn't find the language When I needed you more I couldn't say a word P.S. John - looking forward to the NZ/Aus cricket series! Not making any predictions though! _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 22:13:08 +1100 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Political Correctness (NJC) I have just spent over 3 hours surfing the net trying to find out what PC actually means. Is this a real term describing a process which will benefit society, or is just a philosophical concept invented by the Intellectual and Social elites. How can members be debating this topic if they don't know what the topic really is? What I really want is for someone to give a real, verifiable, clear definition of what Political Correctness is. It is clear that people such as myself do *not* know what PC means, this is despite making a real attempt to find out. Despite logging in to around 100 different web sites, most of what I found was either 'humour', ignorance, political ranting and bigotry in roughly that order. The most moving articles were by blind people who said, in part, "Why should we be ashamed of being blind?". Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania NP: FTR: They'll be bringing out the.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 12:38:15 +0000 From: catman Subject: John!!! Listening to TTT. Tiger Bones is on. John says 'This is good. Glad she didn't spoil it by singing'!!! John gets no dinner. ps the puppies off to the vet for their jabs, all yowling away. Then i put Joni(NRH) on the car hifi. They all shut up and settle down and relax. Seems my dogs and I are more in tune than John and I! - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:07:58 -0500 From: "Neil E. Orts" Subject: Re: Neil Diamond Relayer211@aol.com wrote > I am big Neil Diamond fan.Does anyone know what Joni thinks about >Neils's versions of "Both sides now","chelsea morning" and "Free man in >Paris"? I have no idea what Joni thinks, but it was during an extended Diamond phase that I first heard these songs and led me to pick my first Joni album. I've since lost interest in ND, but continue on as a Joni fan. I don't know how she feels about me being a fan, either, so that may skew how she feels about ND's versions of her songs. - -Neil on topic at last! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 09:40:24 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: RE: "Political correctness," etc. (NJC) WAR!!!! Oh please .... if you are going to battle it out do in WWF (World Wrestling Federation) style! :-D Some good ol' pile drivers and body slams! THEN please get Infoseek to broadcast it over the Net so we can all watch! Come to think of it ... Jerry Springer IS the next best thing. Heather At 10:10 AM 2/3/00 -0800, Louis Lynch wrote: >Wars, Catherine? > >Who said anything about wars? I was just spouting off on the PC issue, >honest. And, although I assumed I would be accused of talking out the wrong >orifice, I didn't expect "wars." What a treat! It's like getting sprinkles >on your ice cream cone for free! > >What will it be, Babe? > >Sly British Insults at Thirty Paces > >Sexually Discriminating Slurs from Behind Barbed Wire > >(Strawberry) Blonde Jokes vs. Wymyn Jokes > >The Battle of Caustic Witticisms > >Or should we just segue straight to the Jerry Springer show and hit each >other with chairs? > >You name it! > >Battle! > >Following an age-old Bardic custom of killing your enemies then singing >about it... > >Harper Lou > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:40:53 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Wally Breese Friends of the Joni Mitchell Community: Jim Johanson, Wally's dear friend, has announced on the Joni Mitchell Home Page that Wally Breese passed away very early this morning, Friday, February 4, 2000. As I sit here at my computer and sadly think of my dear friend, I think the only thing I can do to remember him is to think of what he loved the most and what he dedicated the last five years of his life to: The art of Joni Mitchell. I love you Wally! Peace and grace to you, and may our grief be soothed by the beauty you created at www.jonimitchell.com Bows and flows of angel hair and ice cream castles in the air and feather canyons everywhere, I've looked at clouds that way. But now they only block the sun, they rain and snow on everyone. So many things I would have done but clouds got in my way. I've looked at clouds from both sides now, from up and down, and still somehow it's cloud illusions I recall. I really don't know clouds at all. Moons and Junes and ferris wheels, the dizzy dancing way you feel as every fairy tale comes real; I've looked at love that way. But now it's just another show. You leave 'em laughing when you go and if you care, don't let them know, don't give yourself away. I've looked at love from both sides now, from give and take, and still somehow it's love's illusions I recall. I really don't know love at all. Tears and fears and feeling proud to say "I love you" right out loud, dreams and schemes and circus crowds, I've looked at life that way. But now old friends are acting strange, they shake their heads, they say I've changed. Something's lost but something's gained in living every day. I've looked at life from both sides now, from win and lose, and still somehow it's life's illusions I recall. I really don't know life at all. ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:53:06 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Wally Wally's gone and what use are words. A star in the firmament has blinked out and the JMDL constellation will never look the same again. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 06:57:52 -0800 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Death & Birth & Death @ Birth & Death & Birth Dear Friends: It is with deep sorrow that I tell you of the passing of Wally Breese. He passed peacefully at 9:25pm Thursday night, Feb 3rd (although the coroner's official time of death falls on Feb. 4th) at the home of his best friend, Jim. I'm sure that Jim would agree that I was Wally's closest female friend. "Anyone will tell you just how hard it is to make and keep a friend." They broke the mold with Wally. We were close enough to fight as well as play. One of our shared passions, that we spent many a weekend indulging, was scouring used record shops - besides Joni, Wally was crazy about: Jackie DeShannon, Rick Nelson, Harry Nilsson and the Kinks (and other too numerous to mention). The first time I visited his home I gasped - I'd never seen so many CDs in a private home, it was like walking into a Tower Records store! He has just about every boxed set of an artist that you could want - from John Lennon to Peggy Lee. One time I told Wally that he hurt my feelings when he was being especially rude. When I got home from work that day there was a message on my voicemail from him, "I can be cruel, but let me be gentle with you." That's a true sign of friendship - Honestly to be who you are and be loved in spite of yourself ("...will you take me as I am?" To quote another favorite artist of both Wally and myself, "...there'll be one child born when I die..." I'm happy to say that Jim has posted a photo of Wally on jonimitchell.com that I took at Warner Brothers studio the first night we attended the filming of "Painting With Words & Music." Leslie Mixon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 09:56:33 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #67 (up on the walls) Ok - I'll confess to what was up on my walls as a teenager. When I was about 10 - 13 it was the Monkees .... especially Davey Jones. Then came my intro to pot and things changed. I dumped the Monkees for Jim Morrison & the Doors (nice black light poster too), The Who 'Live at Leeds' poster, a cool Rolling Stones poster when Mick & Keith weren't so wrinkled, and about a half dozen Filmore East posters. There was also a cool tapestry hung on one wall with beads and chains hung around it. I used to keep a small transistor radio under my pillow so I could hear the alternative radio station sign off at midnight. That station was cool. They signed off playing Laura Nyro's version of Save the Country. Heather - tripping down memory lane - thanks :-) At 02:11 PM 2/3/00 -0800, Mike Friedman wrote: >I put up Styx and Kansas. I was a child of the 70s. Oh and Billy Joel too. > >============================ >I'm your Boogie Man >That's what I am >I'm here to do >Whatever I can. > >--KC & the Sunshine Band, 1976 > > > >> From: w evans >> Reply-To: w evans >> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 07:35:18 -0500 (EST) >> To: joni@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #67 >> >>> But since it was brought up, what did the gay men here put on their walls >>> when they were teenagers? I don't ask that in any sort of judgemental way, >>> I'm just curious...I suppose they couldn't put beefcake male posters up >>> unless they had outed to their parents, which is a minority I'm guessing. (My >>> sister didn't out to my parents until she was in her thirties). >>> Or maybe they did - I don't know, that's why I'm asking...so you see Don >>> Rocker-Bryant, you have opened up an interesting topic. >>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 07:00:22 PST From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: WHEN IS THE BOX SET COMING OUT? I figured we were out of luck on the box set front since all of the albums were recently re-released in the HDCD format. Not to mention the HITS and MISSES disappointment. (One unreleased track?? What gives?) I want to hear those alternate MINGUS sessions tracks. Reuben >From: "Eric Taylor" >Reply-To: "Eric Taylor" >To: "JMDL" >Subject: Re: WHEN IS THE BOX SET COMING OUT? >Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 01:57:21 -0800 > >Randy Remote wrote:~) > ><< I have heard of no plans or rumours of one. I would agree that a big >fat >one is long overdue. >> > > Hear hear! > I second that emotion. > Can you imagine 4 CD's of remastered rarities - demos & live dubs!!! > HOW can Joni possibly be against this idea?! I think she is confusing >boxed sets with greatest hits. Or perhaps she knows her best work is yet to >come. > Judging from the progression of her catalogue I suddenly see the >wisdom >of her holding out.... > E.T. > >__________________________________________ >NetZero - Defenders of the Free World >Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at >http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 10:08:07 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Wally we'll have to be really good around here now .... Wally will be watching all the time :-) God Bless Wally. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 15:17:30 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Wally To us wally may be gone but for him he just celebrated his birthday into his next life. I know it will be a fantastic party. Thank you Wally. Have a great party. Your tears and fears are gone forever. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 07:12:54 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: I stole this one ... for Wally "Now cracks a noble heart. Good night sweet prince: And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest!" Goodbye Wally. Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:41:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Wally It is a tribute to Wally and his accomplishments in his lifetime that I feel so sad over someone I never got to meet. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:32:03 -0700 From: "Brett Code" Subject: Wally Breese Do not stand at my grave and weep, I am not there, I do not sleep, I am a thousand winds that blow, I am the diamond glints on snow, I am the sunlight on ripened grain, I am the gentle autumn rain. When you awaken in the morning's hush, I am the swift uplifting rush Of quiet birds in circled flight, I am the soft star that shines at night. Do not stand at my grave and cry, I am not there, I did not die. Good bye Wally. Go well, and in peace Brett Code ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:42:32 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: "Political correctness," etc. (NJC) In a message dated 2/3/00 10:25:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, Louis.Lynch@wonderware.com writes: << Likewise, I would never use the sexually neutral words like wymyn, because it seem absolutely ludicrous to me -- every "woman" I know is worthy of respect. Throughout history, the word woman has represented dignity, strength, ability, compassion, beauty, etc. Why change it? >> i understand in the big picture what you are saying, and i know you have a loving heart. but i can show you how words do carry meaning beyond what we might consciously think. and i can show you that your understanding of women is not the only understanding. joni's last song on wtrf quotes corinthians. that passage is perhaps one of the most beautiful passages in the bible: "love never fails..." but on the very same page of my bible, this appears: "Women should keep silent in the churches, for they are not allowed to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. But if they want to learn anything, they should ask their husbands at home." then, the crib notes refer to a few pages earlier where the text explains the core understanding of women: " A man should not cover his head because he is the image and glory of god, but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; nor was man created for woman, but woman for man; for this is the reason a woman should wear a veil over her head, because of the angels." my point. if i were a woman, i'd be pissed. i wouldn't like that at all. i'd have hatred and wrath toward the arrogant men that forced that on me. and i would want to be called something other than "woman", given that understanding. and i'd reject any god that would make such a world that dictates for me to be for anyone else without it being my free choice to give. it is to me the same thing as saying god made women as slaves to men. that is their role in life. to be slaves. fuck that. i think we only really understand the oppression of words when we are oppressed by them. until then, we miss it. we see a big picture. but we miss the pain in the details. it's in the syllables. i had a sister who had downs syndrome. she only lived to 5, which is not uncommon given the time she was born. in school, kids called other kids: retarded, retard, tart, spaz, sped ( special ed ). imagine the feelings those words instill in me. and i know they did not mean to be cruel. but it was cruel to hear those words. now the reality today lou is that in the largest church in the world, in the churches of a billion people, women are still not allowed to speak. they can read now, from the lectionary. and that is in the last 30 years. but they don't speak. they don't preach. and corinthians was written in the first century, and women are still not allowed to speak in "the church". and that's an oppression that has lasted among loving people. among people who believe that " love never fails " and that is a very real oppression. and it is deeple rooted in the word 'woman'. i think the black man who called you 'nigga' is unfortunate. to me, that is an unhealthy sign that we are far from being over the hurdles of racism. it's quite sad. perhaps a form of coping, but in reality, it's self damaging. in fact, that may be a good thing to look for in the future. when that word is no longer used by anyone. the same for retard and fag. again, i realize your big picture. i am trying to show you some details that still need to be worked out. and i'm really not trying to be smart toward you. i'm glad you have not felt the kind of oppression that makes those syllables so noticeable. at the same time, i hope you can see that others have experienced pain from words that are not meant to be hurtful. pat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 07:50:56 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: Fw: Wally Breese - ----- Original Message ----- From: gene mock To: Susan McNamara Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 7:48 AM Subject: Re: Wally Breese > i somehow see him waving and smiling on the other side. do you know if any > services are planned? i live close enough to s.f. and would attend. thanks > and take care gene > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Susan McNamara > To: > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 6:40 AM > Subject: Wally Breese > > > > Friends of the Joni Mitchell Community: > > > > Jim Johanson, Wally's dear friend, has announced on the Joni Mitchell Home > > Page that Wally Breese passed away very early this morning, Friday, > > February 4, 2000. > > > > As I sit here at my computer and sadly think of my dear friend, I think > the > > only thing I can do to remember him is to think of what he loved the most > > and what he dedicated the last five years of his life to: The art of Joni > > Mitchell. I love you Wally! Peace and grace to you, and may our grief be > > soothed by the beauty you created at www.jonimitchell.com > > > > > > > > Bows and flows of angel hair and ice cream castles in the air > > and feather canyons everywhere, I've looked at clouds that way. > > But now they only block the sun, they rain and snow on everyone. > > So many things I would have done but clouds got in my way. > > > > I've looked at clouds from both sides now, > > from up and down, and still somehow > > it's cloud illusions I recall. > > I really don't know clouds at all. > > > > Moons and Junes and ferris wheels, the dizzy dancing way you feel > > as every fairy tale comes real; I've looked at love that way. > > But now it's just another show. You leave 'em laughing when you go > > and if you care, don't let them know, don't give yourself away. > > > > I've looked at love from both sides now, > > from give and take, and still somehow > > it's love's illusions I recall. > > I really don't know love at all. > > > > Tears and fears and feeling proud to say "I love you" right out loud, > > dreams and schemes and circus crowds, I've looked at life that way. > > But now old friends are acting strange, they shake their heads, they say > > I've changed. > > Something's lost but something's gained in living every day. > > > > I've looked at life from both sides now, > > from win and lose, and still somehow > > it's life's illusions I recall. > > I really don't know life at all. > > > > > > ____________________ > > /____________________\ > > ||-------------------|| > > || Sue McNamara || > > || sem8@cornell.edu || > > ||___________________|| > > || O etch-a-sketch O || > > \___________________/ > > > > > > > > "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:19:39 EST From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: wally i so sad by this inevitable news- but relieved as well that the long suffering is over. peace, peace, peace... where ever you go to now. i'm thinking of this... 'hey wally, are you in some hotel room? does it have a view?" not to sound glib but i wish that is where he is. the afterlife i imagine is one of great comfort, rest and just the right amount of pampering to replenish to soul for the next round of adventure. what a life was lead by that man- such devotion and passion that i don't think i would have the strength to carry through. the fruits of that labor- that glorious website- the source and connection for so many of us to come together! i visited that sight for the first time- saw the link for the discussion group- moved forward to join and sit here typing to you blessed not-so-strangers in my life. wally made that happen. I'm wrestling with my own family- a cousin dying of brain cancer, an uncle hanging on with barely a working heart. Our mortal coil unravels so easily. Our comfort and joy is our loves and friendships- how we support and care for ourselves. there is no greater gift. all good dreamers pass this way surrounded by love.... doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:25:22 -0600 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: "Once more, with feeling!" (NJC) I think this is going to be my final word on this thread--other details, like work, beckon--but I wrote, and LL responded: ">Well, the possibilities I suggested were written to be taken *somewhat* >tongue-in-cheek: maybe I didn't make that quite clear enough. And far be >it from me to suggest that *this* group is comprised of a bunch of lemmings! ACK!! I *never* said that!! I don't even slyly imply it with a wink and a nudge!" Didn't say you did. I was concerned, however, that my original post may have implied that. Then I wrote, and s/he replied: ">;-) But I do think that the view that something called "PC" exists and is >out to destroy language and clear thought (if not the decency of Western >civilization) is one that's been replicated in quite a few magazines and >newspapers, whichever ones you may happen to read. And yes, I think people >tend to respond to views with which they are familiar. Hmm. Pardon my saying so, but "destroy" is such a strong word and seems a bit extreme." Yes, I think so, too. That's why I react with such vehemence whenever I see said view expressed! Liked the rest of LL's post. OK! Off to earn some money! Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:33:20 -0600 (CST) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: Wally I wish I could muster more than a "me, too" write now, but Jerry expressed my sentiments precisely. Wally, we love you. - --Michael On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, Gerald Notaro (LIB) wrote: > It is a tribute to Wally and his accomplishments in his lifetime that I > feel > so sad over someone I never got to meet. > > Jerry > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:33:55 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: BSN Now Shipping MG wrote: <> Thanks for staightening that out for me, MG. Hopeful me, thought the sales from the Reprise site had exceeded THEIR INITIAL stock supply. I guess it doesn't make sense to me either that the record label wouldn't, at least, be one of the first to outlets to start shipping their artist's product. <> Isn't it possible, considering the push Reprise gave to Joni for the artwork, that the printing and distribution of all the promo stuff has been working feverishly inside a very small time window also? Hopefully it'll all show up last minute. Which reminds me of something. Just because so many are ordering the Limited Edition via the internet, don't forget to vistit the local record store. The record store I go to always lets me put my name on the back of the poster they put up for display. When they take down the display, they give me a call so I can have it. (If they've been sent more than they put up, they just give me an extra poster when I make the inquiry.) Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:41:04 -0600 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: New (to me!) Joni! Last night, while shopping in a record store for my soon-to-be 16-year-old niece's birthday presents, I broke down and bought one of the two JM CD's, other than the soon-to-be-released BSN, that I didn't have as of then: Chalk Mark in a Rain Storm. I listened to a bit of it in my car today, and really like some of what I've heard so far. Joni was obviously continuing the exploration with high-tech sounds and production that she began with DED, but seems to be turning it here more onto the vocal side of the production (elaborate harmonies, multi-dubbed all-Joni-choir parts, etc.). Now, my questions for you. Does anyone have any favorite tracks? Any suggestions for special treats to look out for? Anything about the record you just HATE? Reply to me privately if you think we'd be talking to death something we've already discussed on-list. Next it will be on to the *last* Joni release I don't yet have: Shadows & Light!!! Mary P. P.S. My niece takes voice lessons, and enjoys jazz, old and new. I got her an Ella Fitzgerald compilation and the latest from Diana Krall. 2d P.S. Now I'm *really* off to work!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:53:27 -0600 From: "Mark T. Domyancich" Subject: Wally I remember an episode of "Little House On The Praire," where the mother dies in the family, and the children have no home to go to. At her funeral, the mother had written something that the priest read. I don't remember exactly how it went, but one line I'll always remember is "If you can only remember me with tears, than don't remember me at all." I kind of feel we are the children without Wally now. Good bye Wally. Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 10:33:28 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Wally SWEET BIRD YOU ARE BRIEFER THAN A FALLING STAR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:45:39 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Wally Breese One of the oldest concepts in philosophy and religion is that a persons place in heaven is dictated by how much good they did and how many people remember them favorably or love them. Is there any doubt about Wally's place in the afterlife. I will remember him in my prayers. God Bless you Wally. Thanks for everything you have done. I will play your song from the tribute tape and toast you tonight. Marcel Deste ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:06:24 -0500 From: "Neil E. Orts" Subject: Wally I just saw the news from Jim on jonimitchell.com Condolences to Jim and all who loved Wally. - -Neil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:35:02 -0800 From: Michael Cooper Subject: Past Trees I am a newcomer to this list. If anyone would be willing to help me catch up with past trees (Esp. the 4 CD-R one) please let me know. Thanks for having me! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:10:13 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Wally I remember when TTT came out and I posted about Joni's picture being in USA today along with an article. Wally sent me a message wondering if I would be so kind as to send it to him. I was honored to do so, to be able to contribute in even a miniscule way to the archives, it was as thrilling as when I met Joni herself!...he also sent me a message with the lyrics to "Just Like Me" with a nice note. I printed it out and put it in my lyrics notebook. I have a wonderful photo of Wally and Les grinning like a couple of schoolkids. And we have Wally singing Woodstock... We are stardust We are golden We've got to get ourselves back to the garden... Wally's completed his journey back to that garden now. And the seeds he's planted here have blessed us all with an earthly garden of truth and beauty. My prayers go out to his friends and family. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:35:59 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: New (to me!) Joni! Mary's a lucky girl ... to just be getting into the wonderful CMIARS. "Down! Bob Muller!" -- this is not a defense of Dancin' Clown. Just let poor Mary alone long enough to decide what she really thinks! I kid SCjoniguy, of course. CMIARS -- favorite tracks "My Secret Place" -- the blend of Peter and Joni's voices is magical -- "The Beat of Black Wings", as haunting as anything she's ever composed -- and "Snakes and Ladders", a wonderful romp with Don Henley -- regardless of what he said or didn't say about Lionel Ritchie ... listen for that delightful line: To kiss her to kiss her to kiss her To kiss her he has to shave Overall, still an '80s album, but closer to *classic* Joni than the more overtly topical "Dog Eat Dog" -- see folks, even I know that! I will add in closing that I am responding to this post with real enthusiasm, despite today's sad news, as I'm sure that's exactly what Wally would want me to be doing. I urge the entire list to do the same ... Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:28:38 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Wally Dear Wally, wherever you are- Thank you for bringing hundreds of us together Thank you for updating us on the life and times of Joni Mitchell Thank you for giving me the opportunity to meet her via allowing me to photograph her at the concert ...and thank you for the honor of having known you, if even only through this big beige box. You will be missed. Love, Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 20:43:37 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Wally I have just read on the JM.com homepage that Wally Breese has passed away, at 9.30 pm pacific time. I hope that he has gone to a better place than this, away from pain, away from all his suffering. Jim mentioned that he slipped away quietly. That is the best part of the worst news I didn't want to hear. I am on digest. PLease forgive me if the list is now bombarded with this new already. Jamie Zubairi ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:53:11 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: New (to me!) Joni! Don said: <> And of course I take it in the playful mood it was intended, my fellow caucasian hetero friend...;~D But since you asked, Mary... Like Don says, any new Joni is good news, and CMIARS is no exception. Besides what he said, I love the Willie/Joni duet on Cool Water, Number One is "One-derful" as well! And Don refers to my distaste of "Dancin' Clown", which I admit to. I don't think the song has a point, although I enjoy Steve Stevens razor guitar, just too bad Billy Idol came with the package. Tom Petty's talents are wasted. Joni says this is a play, luckily it's just a short one-act. Actually, the song I never have been able to get into is The Tea Leaf Prophecy. Not enough melody there to hang my hat on. I would prefer listening to Dancin' Clown over Tea Leaf any day. The lyrics are interesting from a historical perspective, but it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing... But I pick nits...the superb moments vastly outnumber the mediocre, CMIARS is another jewel in the Joni crown. Bob NP: Borderline ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 21:03:41 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: New (to me!) Joni! CMIARS-oh dear-i can recall dancin Clown cos I hate it My Seceret Place cos it is okay and can't for the life of remember what else is on it. Guess I haven't played it for a long long time. Gues i know what that means.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 16:16:53 -0400 From: jw1327@rcn.com Subject: Dearest Wally: Goodnight, sweet prince... I can't type on this damn thing for wiping the tears from my eyes. Just got the news about Wally, and while I am so grateful that he is now at peace and suffering no longer, his passing came as quite a blow. He was a totally kind, sweet, and generous man, and I shall miss him more than I can say. Goodbye Wally- God bless you- I love you. JW ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:35:32 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: On Wally's Passing ... I gasped just now to see Wally's smiling face as my homepage started up. Of course, this has been on my mind a great deal in the last few weeks and we all knew it would happen but, of course, we hate to see it end. My condolences to Jim. I can only hope Wally is in a much better place now and there's Joni piped in 24 hours a day for him. How blessed we all are to have been connected by this man who maybe inadvertantly ended up with his own e-family who cared greatly about him even though many never met him. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 10:57:37 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Wally Words fail me completely, so I'll simply say "Goodbye, and thank you". Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:28:43 -0800 (PST) From: Medric Faulkner Subject: Wally and jonimitchell.com I spent the last half hour tearfully looking at Wally's beautiful work. He really created a masterpiece in the name of his love for Joni's music. It says somthing for who he is that a asshole like myself can find tears for someone he never met. Medric Faulkner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:55:58 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Pint-Sized Joni Singers Mike Quinn (welcome to the list!) wrote that his five-year-old regaled her classmates with BYT. Terrific, Mike! The one I sing to my kids (5 and 3) every night is "Morning Morgantown" (or Morgan Morgantown as my 3-year-old says.) They request "Chelsea Morning" sometimes, but I think it lacks something without that great guitar work so, to me, it's kind of weak acapella. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 13:59:25 -0800 From: "rick novosel" Subject: Wally's gift How many ordinary people can say that the actions of their lives improved and enriched the lives of hundreds of others? Wally created a tribute to someone he loved with grace and beauty and selflessness, and in the process brought those of us on the list together to share that love. I want to send some of that love back to you, Wally. I've never met you but I feel like I've lost family. My condolences to Jim and Wally's family. All good things forever, Wally Rick Novosel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 17:05:23 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: The Wally Breese Memorial Fund For Wally: RETURN AGAIN words: Ronnie Kahn music: Shlomo Carlebach Return again, return again Return to the land of your soul. Return to who you are, Return to what you are, Return to where you are, Born and reborn again. I have set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund," with all donations going directly into the upkeep of the JoniMitchell.com website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds, and it will now be up to Jim to continue. If you would like to donate to this fund: Please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson Send to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA If you are not in the US, the easiest way is to send cash in US funds, and I will write a check for the amount. Hugs and tears, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:40:20 -0600 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: The best tribute Don Rowe wrote, responding to my request for ideas/opinions/recommendations about CMIARS: "I will add in closing that I am responding to this post with real enthusiasm, despite today's sad news, as I'm sure that's exactly what Wally would want me to be doing. I urge the entire list to do the same ..." What a beautiful tribute, Don. As it happens, I'm listening to my new copy of CMIARS as I write this, with the joy of discovery mixed with the great sadness I feel at the loss of this man who brought so much to so many of us, as well as to Joni herself. Rest with the angels, Wally. Love, Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 15:13:32 PST From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: A Dark Day Dear Fellow Friends, I have just read the sad news, and felt the need to share in the sense of loss with you all. I am thankful that Wally's suffering is over. My sympathy and love to his family and loved ones. Sadly, Russell The light, creation's mind, was everywhere, and all things owned its power. Charles Dickens ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 20:37:38 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: New (to me!) Joni! Responding with a very real enthusiam, here I am to chip in on something that I just couldn't leave alone... :-) Don Rowe wrote: > CMIARS -- favorite tracks "My Secret Place" -- the > blend of Peter and Joni's voices is magical -- "The > Beat of Black Wings", as haunting as anything she's > ever composed -- and "Snakes and Ladders", a wonderful > romp with Don Henley -- regardless of what he said or > didn't say about Lionel Ritchie This is just too damn spooky, Don....these are the EXACT same 3 tracks I adore most on CMIARS!!!. On my Top 100 Albums list, CMIARS comes in at #42, and the songs I've highlighted as my favourites are those, just to prove I have a mind of my own ;-) > ... listen for that > delightful line: > > To kiss her to kiss her to kiss her > To kiss her he has to shave Okay...confession time...I've never checked out the lyric booklet for the words to this song, and I have always thought the line was "...to kiss every passing day" ;o) Now, I don't know WHAT that means, and why I should have always heard it as that.... > Overall, still an '80s album, but closer to *classic* > Joni than the more overtly topical "Dog Eat Dog" -- > see folks, even I know that! Very well said, that's a perfect judgement of it. I'm inclined these days to rate DED higher than CMIARS (#33 to #42) since overall the songs are of a slightly stronger nature (no Dancin' Clown, Tea Leaf Prophecy, Number One or Reoccurring Dream), but I agree that CMIARS is closer in spirit and execution to *classic* Joni. > I will add in closing that I am responding to this > post with real enthusiasm, despite today's sad news, > as I'm sure that's exactly what Wally would want me to > be doing. I urge the entire list to do the same ... What a fine sentiment. Consider it done...... :-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 18:24:47 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Wally Breese Receive Wally into the arms of your mercy, into the blessed rest of everlasting peace, and into the glorious company of the saints in light. Rest eternal grant Wally, O Lord, and let light perpetual shine upon him. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 18:21:17 -0500 From: LL Subject: Wally My heart is full with all of the love and regard expressed for Wally. Expectation doesn't always make loss easier...hardly ever, in fact. A friend of mine went through "the door" just this autumn, and to comfort me, another friend forwarded me this piece the departed friend had written when her own close friend and mentor died. ... Missing You I miss you. I really do. Oh, I realize it can't be helped that you're gone. But I miss you, anyway. I think of you often. Even when I don't want to, my heart just reaches out and plucks you from thin air. "Here," it says. "Don't forget this." You were such a big part of my life for so long. I counted on you being here. I counted on the dawning of each new day bringing with it the certainty of you. The surety and the inevitability of you. And as twilight's opaque curtain descended, I always stopped to reflect and thank the gods for you. For you and for the part of me that you are. In my innermost being I knew, I suppose, that I would not have you for all time. Perhaps that is why I could not get enough of you when you were with me. Perhaps that's the reason I tried to absorb you, inhale you, monopolize you, assimilate you. You were my hero and I couldn't get enough. I relished every moment we had together as fully as I knew how. He is here now, I told myself. Enjoy him now. He is here in this moment. Not out there somewhere in the future, waiting for another window. And not back there in the past, hiding from the light. He is in this moment and this moment only. This moment is all you will ever have. That is why I lapped you up like so much sweet cream. Rolled around in you and savored you. Dabbed you on my wrists so as to always have the scent of you at hand. I miss you. I miss your wisdom, your knowledge, your vast experience. I miss your warped sense of humor and your proclivity for survival. Where are those days we enjoyed when I need them? Why can't we save precious moments, put them aside like photos in a memory book or money in the bank, and retrieve them at will? Why are the most treasured moments so gossamer, so tenuous, so intangible? Just once more I'd like to sit at your feet and listen. You can talk about anything you like, anything at all. Whatever you say, I know that every word from your mouth will expand my mind, make it grow and become more than it was. I know that in simply having your example before me, I will live my own life a little better. I last heard from you on a Friday. Or was it a Monday? I can't recall. I only remember the acute loss I felt when I realized you were gone. That loss stretches backward in time now, much farther back than I would like, devouring the days, hours, and minutes since we last spoke. I remember the emptiness, the void created by your absence. That is very vivid in my mind. I remember joy replaced by longing. And I remember the awakening of courage born in its wake. There is naught to do now but drive on. It is what you want, I'm sure. I cannot turn my face to the gods and implore, "Why?" Nor can I beseech you with that same question. You are missing for a reason. I know that. I tell myself this is also a gift from you, this absence of yours. I tell myself that it is making me stronger, more resilient, more self-reliant. I tell myself these things because it takes a large measure of each just to get through the days without you. I do not snivel. I do not quake or hesitate. I try to follow your lead, do as you would do. That is all that is left to me now ... to imitate you, impersonate you, glorify you in my own esprit. I miss you. I really do. youngblood, Sun 18 deg Sagittarius 96 / Moon in Sagittarius lyric@usadatanet.net ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #73 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?