From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #47 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 26 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 047 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- the bells and cheesy ole canadian crappola (njc) [evian ] Winter Weather (or The Snow outside's delightful) (NJC) [evian ] Re: Crosby Article [Mike Friedman ] Blah Express. [Richard Rice ] Re: BSN single? [Joseph Palis ] Re: Applause Applause NJC [Joseph Palis ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:21:38 -0600 From: evian Subject: the bells and cheesy ole canadian crappola (njc) Catherine writes: > That song reminds me of another CanCon clunker called "Quiver" or "Stay with > me a while" by a group named the Bells, a tune I'd just as soon forget, > except that, in periods of stress, I get these audio flashbacks > - ---aaaaaaggggghhh! They make Terry Jacks look good. > OMG, THE BELLS!!! LOLOL!!! I remember when I was about 4 or 5... one of my sisters had the Bells on 8-track AND cassette, which freaks me out now because I didn't even realize cassettes were really "out" then. Anyway, "Stay a While" is just so hideous I love to hear it.... you know, it's so hokey and stupid, it never fails to make me laugh -- they were actually serious!!! And "Seasons in the Sun" is the grossest, most vile song ever recorded.... ugh, makes me want to spit. However, didn't Terry Jacks also do "Where Evil Grows" or whatever? I gotta admit... we had that 45 when I was also 4 or 5, and I loved it... along with.... get ready to laugh... "Which Way You Goin', Billy?" Did any of these, besides the hideous "Seasons in the Sun" get released in the States? Since we are on the subject, I'll also admit that I love Anne Murray's "Now and Forever" and "That's Not The Way it's Supposed to Be", another cheesy Canadian act. And, fellow Canadians, hold your laughter for this... I just ordered Platinum Blonde's Greatest Hits... LOLOL, I thought they were so cool when I was in grade 8... LOL! And, fellow listers, did Rough Trade ever get any airplay outside of Canada? I used to think Carolle Pope was the coolest thing since sliced bread. Evian, set adrift on memory bliss..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:34:28 -0800 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Most Depressing Song Since this topic is lingering, how about Richard Thompson's "I'll Be Taking My Business Elsewhere" or Billie Holiday's, "Strange Fruit." Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:34:39 -0600 From: evian Subject: Winter Weather (or The Snow outside's delightful) (NJC) Delusional Ashara (must be from the snow trauma) wrote: > As far as I'm concerned, we can have winter all > year round! You can have the hot, humid, sweltering stuff. Give me the beauty > of snow covered trees, the breathing in of freezing, crisp, clean air, and > the exhilaration of bombing down a sleek white mountain trail with two boards > strapped to your feet any day of the week! > Honey, I love ya, but come in out of the cold!!!!! Give me palm trees, the breathing in of warm, that-smell-of-concrete-right-before-it-rains air, the exhilaration of skinny-dipping on a clear, quiet night with no sounds except the call of the loons, a tan that takes away the ravages of winter, the joy of reading in the hammock, the need NOT to wear shoes outside, and cutting the lawn beats the hell out of shovelling snow! Well, that should be prefaced with "of course, if you don't have a/c, summer CAN be a tad shitty!" Ok, Ok, there are some joys of winter, like blizzardy Fridays and chinooks, but otherwise, you can keep it! Evian, who instead of going to bed, feels compelled to keep on postin'.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 02:10:30 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: BSN pre-order I ordered BSN ltd. ed. through Reprise and tried to ask customer service whether they were going to fill every order they got or were they "over-booking" like the airlines do and then would have to bump some orders after 15,000. They couldn't/wouldn't tell me. Anyone know for sure? Don't want to wait until I get their "Sorry, we are out of stock ... " email to scramble to get one, if even possible by that point. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 01:59:16 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: BSN single? NJC Canadian Catherine queried (;~D) << I guess I didn't realize that *anyone* released singles anymore. i thought that died when 45s went away. >> Oh but some of the best mixes have been released on CD-singles! Bjork RULES in the remix department. Joni's *Big Yellow Taxi* CD-7 remixes are very impressive. My fav U2 & NIN tunes are remixed singles. & The Pet Shop Boys *Forthright Dub* mix of Somewhere is the greatest single Single that I've ever heard! E.T. __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:36:52 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Crosby Article > From: Mark or Travis > Reply-To: Mark or Travis > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:40:36 -0800 > To: Siresorrow@aol.com, Harpua@revealed.net, joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Crosby Article > > i think she is the most brilliant singer-songwriter of all. i >> mean, i love dylan. he's a good poet. but musically, she's light > years >> ahead of him, and that's what kicks it over the top for me. > > And I say Right on, David! I agree 200%! I hope I don't get stoned for this, but I REALLY don't get the appeal of Dylan. The music's great, and the poetry's wonderful, but I've NEVER sat through a more painful concert than Dylan opening for Joni and Van Morrison at UCLA in 1998. The audience was awful (loud and rude), and I couldn't understand a SINGLE WORD the man said! It was more hideous than a junior high school choir concert. Let Joan Baez sing his songs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 01:44:02 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: Blah Express. Hi all, Joni herself has made a few references admitting that the L.A. Express weren't the most 'with it' band around. But they helped her immesely at the time. It was the beginning of her finding back up artists who could handle her music with depth and class. Much of this is due to the sumpsuous efforts of Tom Scott and John Guerin; who are major talents, in my humblest opinion. John Guerin in particular added so much class and richness to her music. Not to mention I believe he 'erased a few lines on her face' with a few kisses and touch of his fingers. Even those of us who aren't even taken with him in those regards surely must admit his drumming on the Paprika Plains jam is absolutely mercurial!!! It is such a crisp, brilliant passage. Much of the jazzy textures in her transition period hang on his brilliant play. As much as I love Joan, I believe her 'expressive' tremolo (is this the right term? Paz, help?) borders on being a handicap. Especially true on Mingus, which I love. Her lapses in timing do not serve the music and her inflections were not state of the art. Beautiful as her voice is here, one would not mistake her for Sahrah Vaughn on this one. She is more radiant a singer when she has a great drummer to help keep her beat true. (Only Brian Blade equals the wonderful touch of John Guerin.) Check out the vast improvement between the tape tree material where she does one of her earliest takes of Mingus's music live, Dry Cleaner's From Des Moines on Mingus, and then on Shadows and Light. She is so bubbly and vibrant and 'on' the beat with SandL. Her growth as a singer has been breathtaking since. Even my bud, Richard, who is polite about Joan only out of kindness to me, was quite taken hearing her on Herbie Hancock's cd. There, she really brings a depth to her singing that ranks with the best of jazz interpreters. It's this growth of her's as a singer that has me so excited for BSN, in spite of it lacking... NJC, New Joni Content! Which REMINDS me, When I got my first tape tree material and played some very early joni stuff, Richard burst into gaffaws, shaming us all for playing stuff he felt Joni would NEVER want anyone to hear now. By his mind, he is grateful poets distroy the bad stuff as to protect it from what we are doing here. In any case, he is always teasing, wondering: "When is the Joni breathing Tape Tree is coming out?" and my fave, "When are they releasing the Joni Sea Chanties?' Bob? Ashara? Jim? Best to all. John, not Rich, wishing everyone well. Especially Wally. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:35:14 +0800 (JST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: BSN single? > > BUT, other pop singer have done VERY well with similar albums in their careers... Carly Simon, Linda Ronstadt, Toni Tenille, Natalie Cole, for example. > > Jerry > Not to mention Rickie Lee Jones and Sheena Easton. Joseph ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:47:21 +0800 (JST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Applause Applause NJC I remembered being in a classical concert where members of the audience were told not to applaud in between movements. When the opening strains of Vivaldi's "Spring" was heard, the audience (mostly freshmen college students who were watching a clasical concert for the first time for their humanities class) cheered and applaud because they were able to connect with the commercial on TV that used Vivaldi's music. Realizing that they should not clap, the audience roared into self-censure sound and listened quietly until it was finished. I think the spontaneity of applause sounds more genuine and exhilirating beyond words. Joseph np: Harry Connick, Jr. "We are in Love" > > But with classical concerts, I wonder about the silences in between > movements where you Must Not Applaud. In general terms, classical music > is blighted by the idea that it's only for sophisticated people. And the > fact that there is this rule about applause at the concerts only serves > to reinforce that idea. I'm quite sure that amongst some concert goers, > (though I'm sure not of you Scott), there is also an element of, "Well > listen to those people clapping, they don't know that the piece isn't > over yet, unlike the rest of us who are SO much more knowledgeable. > Well, REALLY." ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #47 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?