From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #45 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 045 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Live recordings vs. [Deb Messling ] Re: Laugh Track [Deb Messling ] BSN single? [Deb Messling ] BSN Reprise site ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: A Fenney Trip (NJC) ["Alan Lorimer" ] Re: Live recordings vs. [Chris Marshall ] BSN Promos ["Chuck EIsenhardt" ] Re: A Fenney Trip and the JMDL writer's contest (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: BSN single? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Boxers or Briefs (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: CSN&Y live on VH-1 NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: BSN single? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Laugh Track [Susan McNamara ] Re: Rude concert goers [Jerry Notaro ] FW: Live recordings vs. ["Ross, Les" ] Re: BSN single? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni's music is universal! [Susan McNamara ] Re: "The Jungle line" is progressive! [Susan McNamara ] Companion in Canada? [James Leahy ] Re: Cost of Housing - NJC [Martin Giles ] Applause Applause NJC [Martin Giles ] Re: Depressing? Or sad? (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: most depressing song NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: most depressing song NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Boxers or Briefs (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: BSN single? [Deb Messling ] Re: BSN single? ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Concerts (NJC?) [Emily Kirk Gray ] Re: Boxers or Briefs (NJC) ["Michael Paz" ] Re: BSN single? [Phyliss Ward ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #44 [Stacey4882@aol.com] Re: BSN single? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Boxers or Briefs (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] MOA [Steve Dulson ] Re: BSN single? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Laugh Track ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: BSN single? ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Companion in Canada? ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: BSN single? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Cost of Housing - NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Wally's Health NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Continuing Irony? [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Crosby Article [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: BSN single? ["Kakki" ] Re: Applause Applause NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: BSN single? NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: most depressing song NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Winter Weather (or The Snow outside's delightful) (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: BSN single? [SMEBD@aol.com] RE BSN Single [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: MOA ["Catherine McKay" ] On line discount coupons!!! njc [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Dear Wally, [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Joni's music is universal! [CaTGirl627@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 06:03:47 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Live recordings vs. I'm usually in the anti-live-album camp, but I'll take Joni any way I can. My problem with MOA is the band, for the most part. I agree that her solo songs are vibrant and lovely (esp. the Blue stuff), but to my ears the band sounds a bit schlocky. They murdered Rainy Night House, IMO. At 02:38 PM 1/25/00 +1100, you wrote: >"A Case Of You" It's almost as though this song has matured like a good >wine! Joni noticeably reduces the tempo of this song, her voice has matured >and has more depth than when she recorded the original. The live version on >MOA was the version that actually turned me on to this song! Judging from the Reprise sound clip, the above comment applies a thousand-fold to the NEWEST version. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 06:05:45 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Laugh Track Gomer Pyle! This was one of the questions on the Joni trivia quiz awhile back that few particpated in because it was "too difficult." Can you imagine a Joni trivia quiz too difficult for this bunch??? At 11:16 PM 1/24/00 -0500, you wrote: >For 10 points, and the championship, who was the third person mentioned in >the quote above? I'll give you a hint: It's a fictitious character from >American pop culture. No cheating! Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 06:07:04 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: BSN single? Does anyone have inside knowledge of any plans to release a single off BSN? Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:46:49 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: BSN Reprise site Dear folks I went to the BSN site at Reprise and I can't seem to access the soundclips. What format are they in? I found them quite easily but... I'm not sure what software is necesssary to open them up! Please help me. You're my only hope. Jamie Zoob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:16:39 +1100 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: A Fenney Trip (NJC) Catman, I loved your "Fenney Trip" article so much that I've created a web page out of it :-) http://jonimitchell.freeservers.com/fenney.htm What do you think? Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:24:29 -0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Live recordings vs. On Monday, January 24, 2000 8:51 PM, Russell Bowden [SMTP:rustytrazom@hotmail.com] wrote: > So I am at Barnes & Noble this weekend with enough $$ for ONE CD.. > I have my choices narrowed down to around 5 titles/artists. Since I have > all the Joni studio recordings, I took a long look at S&L. Suffice it to > say that after looking at the track titles, I had to go with Rachmaninov's > Vespers (All Night Vigil)...the Robert Shaw recording. > > I'm with Colin on this one. the live recordings JUST DON'T CUT IT!! > Of course, being at a concert is another thing...or even video, but I am not > a fan of the live recordings...even operas!! S&L is one of those things that you really should get, IMHO. The band Joni assembled there was truly world class, and streets ahead of the MOA band. I have live recordings of many artists, but S&L is the one that stands out, where the songs take on new life in their live incarnations. - --Chris Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd Web: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 E-mail: chris@secure-si.co.uk PGP key: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/chris/pubkey.txt Fingerprint: 49F7 5132 C599 6ADC 47E7 844E A612 3F53 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 07:31:04 -0500 From: "Chuck EIsenhardt" Subject: BSN Promos I called Boston's WUMB a few days ago to ask about BSN and they had not (and still not) received an advanced copy for airplay. Marilyn Rae said that they typically go out to the press before the radio outlets. Any friends in the music press? ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:05:45 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: A Fenney Trip and the JMDL writer's contest (NJC) Alan wrote: << Catman, I loved your "Fenney Trip" article so much that I've created a web page out of it :-) http://jonimitchell.freeservers.com/fenney.htm >> Thanks for creating the web page for Colin's story. I never got to read it, but heard it was good one. It made me want to go back and read some of the JMDL stories from the 1st annual Writer's contest back in Feb.'98. If any of the newbies have never read any of these short stories, you really should as they are all wonderful. It would be great if we could have the 2nd writer's contest again. There are so many new, talented, and imaginitive writers on the JMDL in addition to some of the gang that entered back then. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:18:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN single? Deb asked: <> I'd be REAL surprised...there wasn't a single from TTT, was there? And that was a more "Pop" record...which market would play a single from BSN? Adult Easy Listening stations, perhaps...what a ghastly thought, to hear Joni sandwiched in between Celine Dion and some other MOR crooner... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:32:30 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Boxers or Briefs (NJC) The Southern Man said: <> That's the rub I suppose...Deja Vu set the bar SO high (or the freak flag, if you will), that it makes for a tough act to follow...kinda like watching Willie Mays at 40 battling at the plate or misjudging a fly ball. In their prime these guys were awesome, now they just appear to be opportunistic, and everyone gives them the benefit of the doubt, because after all, they ARE CSN...thank God the Beatles & Joe Dimaggio knew when to hang it up at the top of their game, and also thank God that Joni is STILL at the top of hers... <> I spun this one again last night, and really love it! So many different "colors", as Joni would say, Maceo Parker (!) on sax and flute, lots of pretty acoustic, jazzy guitar, funky banjo, wow! A veritable smorgasbord for the ears! << I meant to ask you earlier if you are gonna burn your Confederate Flag Shorts? >> I'll refrain from making a crack about "running anything up the pole" :~) As you know, that's a MAJOR issue here in SC. The Confederate flag waves over the statehouse. It went up in 1962 when the good old boys protested the Civil Rights Movement (they say it was a marker for the centennial of the Civil War - RIGHT!) But things are looking up...enough groups are boycotting our backwards racist state that it's starting to hit 'em in the wallet and they'll HAVE to remove the eyesore...quick, somebody cue up "Borderline"! More on this story as it develops... Bob NP: Neil Larsen, "Jungle Fever" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:35:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: CSN&Y live on VH-1 NJC Kakki noted: <> You know, Kakki, my FIRST impression after hearing the record in its entirety was that they just did this reunion thing for the dough, and hearing you say this just sorta is further proof...maybe they should've called it "Looking Forward - to a positive Cash Flow" ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:37:53 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: BSN single? SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Deb asked: > > <> > > I'd be REAL surprised...there wasn't a single from TTT, was there? And that was a more "Pop" record...which market would play a single from BSN? Adult Easy Listening stations, perhaps...what a ghastly thought, to hear Joni sandwiched in between Celine Dion and some other MOR crooner... BUT, other pop singer have done VERY well with similar albums in their careers... Carly Simon, Linda Ronstadt, Toni Tenille, Natalie Cole, for example. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:39:42 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Laugh Track >For 10 points, and the championship, who was the third person mentioned in >the quote above? I'll give you a hint: It's a fictitious character from >American pop culture. No cheating! GOMER PYLE! ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:44:04 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Rude concert goers Walter R Rodgers III wrote: > I recall at Joni and Bob's MSG show there were two women a row in front of me who talked (more like yelled) into each others' ear during most of Joni's performance. God only knows what could have been so important that it was worth yelling about for an hour, but Joni definately noticed and shot them a few cold looks. Didn't say a word to them, but if looks could kill... During The Rolling Thunder Review tour I sat waiting all evening for Joni's turn. It was great to see Bob, Joan, et al, but it was Joni I was waiting for. As soon as she came on these two girls behind me starting gabbing away about some term paper they were working on. When turning around and giving dirty looks didn't seem to stop them, I did a flame thrower, a al Ally McBeal. I was a little surprised at myself, but it sure did work. Joni made me do it: ) Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:43:10 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: FW: Live recordings vs. On Monday, January 24, 2000 8:51 PM, Russell Bowden [SMTP:rustytrazom@hotmail.com] wrote: > So I am at Barnes & Noble this weekend with enough $$ for ONE CD.. ......I took a long look at S&L. Suffice it to > say that after looking at the track titles, I had to go with Rachmaninov's > Vespers (All Night Vigil)...the Robert Shaw recording. > > I'm with Colin on this one. the live recordings JUST DON'T CUT IT!! > Of course, being at a concert is another thing...or even video, but I am not > a fan of the live recordings...even operas!! Chris said.... >S&L is one of those things that you really should get, IMHO. The band >Joni assembled there was truly world class, and streets ahead of the >MOA band. >I have live recordings of many artists, but S&L is the one that stands out, >where the songs take on new life in their live incarnations. I agree with Chris on the quality of the band but feel that each were among the best at their time. I remember thinking that the LA Express were deliciously 'shiney' and 'LA' and very much of the moment. I'm not sure I'm damning with faint praise here. The S&L band are from another planet entirely of course, the members being still among the best around imho. There are points on S&L that I feel that band sound overwhelms Joni and that the quality of her voice is strained and hard and that the warmth and ease, present in the studio recordings, absent. Just a feeling. I think this is best illustrated in the Amelia/Pat/Hejira where the musical accompaniment is cut out, so much more of her voice just pours out of the speakers. That said, Edith and the Kingpin is brilliant especially the 'almost naf' boogie bit in the middle. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:45:28 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN single? <> Agreed, I know the record will be well-received, and HOPE it will be HUGE. I'm already laughing thinking about all the "Comeback of the Year" comments that will undoubtedly be made, when we all know that Joni's never left! But the market this will be in is not a "singles" market, that's all I was saying... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:48:50 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Joni's music is universal! > I know one of the critisisems of Joni Mitchell's songs is that >they are too self absorbed,narcissistic,but I really don't believe that is >even 1% true.My theory is that the more detailed and personal a work of art >is the more universal it is at the same time.By Joni talking about her own >highly personal,individual,feelings she is inviting the listener to identify >with her and apply her songs to their lives,and in that sense she is far from >narcissistic.Her songs help many more people then songs by people who write >vague,abstract lyrics about "outside" stuff that noone can apply to their own >lives. True!!! The lines: "I am a lonely painter, I live in a box of paints, I'm frightened by the devil and drawn to those who ain't afraid" changed my life. I remember doing a self-portrait while listening to Blue when I was 16. I felt like Joni Mitchell was the only person on earth who understood why I cried for apparently no reason. I remember someone saying to me "why do you paint so many self-portraits, are you stuck on yourself or something?" That (and other issues of shame) put me into a painter's block that I've been trying to get out of for the last 25 years. All painters, writers and musicians must peel back the layers to get to the truth of who they are. Take care, Sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:58:31 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: "The Jungle line" is progressive! Relayer: I should have known you were prog by your sig: I've always considered Joni progressive. My favorite music when I started getting into her in the early 70s was Yes, Jethro Tull, ELP, King Crimson, Peter Gabriel-era Genesis, The Who, etc. I felt Joni was a good fit there because the underlying driving force of progressive music was the classical symphonic writing styles: rock operas, theme albums, etc. I've always felt that For the Roses should be listened to like a symphony. Judgement of the Moon and the Stars! Take care, Sue PS I was listening to Pictures at an Exhibition this morning in my car (ELP) > I asked the progressive rock music newsgroup if "The Jungle line" was >progresive,and they said yes! ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:16:26 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Companion in Canada? Have any Canadian list members gotten a copy of The Joni Mitchell Companion yet? The Indigo and Chapters websites list the title as being ready to ship in 24 hours, but so far the book hasn't appeared in their Toronto stores. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:50:53 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: Cost of Housing - NJC Colin reveals a fact known only to well to myself.. > >You should try affording a house in the UK especially in London >where a > >one bed > >flat will cost $160, 000(USA). And Catherine comes clean.. > That actually sounds kind of reasonable to me! Catherine. Will you marry me?? atb, Martin. Just outside London. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:19:10 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: Applause Applause NJC I agree with Scott about irritating audience noise during a song at concerts (sorry Sue;-). Also that jazz audiences clapping after a solo being a nice thing - it shows you're paying attention at least. But with classical concerts, I wonder about the silences in between movements where you Must Not Applaud. In general terms, classical music is blighted by the idea that it's only for sophisticated people. And the fact that there is this rule about applause at the concerts only serves to reinforce that idea. I'm quite sure that amongst some concert goers, (though I'm sure not of you Scott), there is also an element of, "Well listen to those people clapping, they don't know that the piece isn't over yet, unlike the rest of us who are SO much more knowledgeable. Well, REALLY." Sometimes when I've been at a classical concert and I'm not familiar with the work, I find myself holding back, waiting for everyone else to start clapping, because I don't want to make 'a fool' of myself. It kinda takes away the natural sponteneity of my response. Just my two centiEuro's worth. Martin. (Just outside) London. Scott said in #43... > I've always felt as long as the applause was subdued and brief, it was a > compliment to the performer(s), as in, "we (the audience) recognize this > song immediately and are glad you (musician) are doing it right now." Kind > of like an advance notice of appreciation given to the artist...a > confirmation..."we love this song!" > > I enjoy being part of a respectful and informed audience. Jazz audiences > have this down pretty good, giving polite applause to the instrumentalist > at the conclusion of the solo, while the song itself continues...it's one > of my favorite parts of a live performance, especially when the soloist > nods a head or gives a grin or a wink at the sound of the applause, in > effect returning thanks to the audience for being there. > > On the flip side, I don't like being in the audience of a classical music > performance when people begin applauding between the movements, rather than > at the conclusion, especially when efforts are made via the program or in > the media reminding the audience to refrain during these times...I guess > some are just conditioned to automatically begin clapping as soon as > there's silence from the stage...which begs the question: is the applause a > heartfelt gesture by the audience to show respect and appreciation or is it > a Pavlovian response? To you performing musicians out there, can you tell > the difference? > > Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:33:36 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Depressing? Or sad? (NJC) Azeem said: >I've enjoyed this thread, and agree with whomever it was who said >that the >songs they found the most DEPRESSING are mindless chart drivel. I >differentiate between those songs and songs that are sad, or melancholy, or >depict tragic incidents or poignant affairs. Music of beauty hardly ever >actually brings me down, because its beauty itself has a redemptive power. >The blues, on the other hand, is cathartic to me, and evokes empathy and >admiration for the human spirit. I agree. Depressing is something that makes you want to slit your wrists or take a nose-dive off the nearest bridge. Most good sad songs don't do this. They are, as you say, cathartic. The ones that get me are the maudlin songs - things like "Teen Angel", "Leader of the Pack" - and remember Bobby Goldsborough's "Honey"? Cripes! make me want to throw up! I always have to laugh at that kind of stuff and it just kills me when people take them seriously. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 06:39:18 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: most depressing song NJC > It's GOT to be *Honey* by Bobby Goldsboro.... > E.T. Oh & let's not forget 'Seasons in the Sun'! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:47:03 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: most depressing song NJC Mark or Travis wrote: > > It's GOT to be *Honey* by Bobby Goldsboro.... > > E.T. > > Oh & let's not forget 'Seasons in the Sun'! Oh, good. Finally. 2 songs in this thread that I hate. Next we'll be listing the theme song from Billy Jack! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 06:47:43 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Boxers or Briefs (NJC) Bob writes in response to Mr. Paz: > I'll refrain from making a crack about "running anything up the pole" :~) and I entreat: Please! If you *have* to talk about underwear no comments about cracks! Sheesh! Mark in Seattle (sorry, Bob, couldn't resist) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:56:09 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: BSN single? >But the market this will be in is not a "singles" market, that's all I was saying... I think Bob's probably right. I don't hear a single, particularly. But as far as markets: I'm wondering if this record will hit with those twenty-somethings like my nieces and nephews who are smoking cigars and drinking martinis and listening to Frank Sinatra...or is that fad over already? Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:22:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: BSN single? I hope time proves you wrong :) BSN is a very popular "tune" and might very well chart on the Adult Contemporary list. Though most will opt for buying the album, many radio play lists are geared by plays and requests. Jerry On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Deb Messling wrote: > > >But the market this will be in is not a "singles" market, that's all I was > saying... > > > I think Bob's probably right. I don't hear a single, particularly. But as > far as markets: I'm wondering if this record will hit with those > twenty-somethings like my nieces and nephews who are smoking cigars and > drinking martinis and listening to Frank Sinatra...or is that fad over > already? > > > > Deb Messling > messling@enter.net > http://www.enter.net/~messling/ > > I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. > - Joni Mitchell > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:19:19 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: Concerts (NJC?) hi everyone -- funny thing -- with all this fun posting about concerts and who yelled what when, i read someone write about >>I recall at Joni and Bob's MSG show>> and immediately thought, wow, "our" bob m. is really rising in the ranks if the shows he sees are tagged "his" and joni's.... and subsequently realized that we were referring to a whole other kind of bob! i'm going to play "blonde on blonde" this morning as a self-imposed chastising! - -- emily ps: MAGNOLIA soundtrack -- RUN, do not walk, this album is brilliant and brittle and heartbreaking and funny... thanks to whoever gave me the heads up on aimee mann playing leno tonight! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:45:24 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Re: Boxers or Briefs (NJC) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 11:48 PM Subject: Re: Boxers or Briefs (NJC) > Paz asks Bob: > > << I meant to ask you earlier if you are gonna burn your Confederate Flag > Shorts? Inquiring minds wanna know?!?!? > >> > > Yes Bob, what's happening south of your Mason-Dixon line :~) > > Jimmy- ok I'm going to bed now, I promise! > OR Below your Bible belt! Michael (again) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 07:56:53 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: BSN single? Deb Messling wrote: > I think Bob's probably right. I don't hear a single, particularly. Having been lucky enough to hear the whole CD, one song stuck out for me as a perfect single - especially for the 'smooth jazz' type stations that are around. It's "I Wish I Were in Love Again". It is very upbeat and catchy. - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:02:25 EST From: Stacey4882@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #44 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:57:45 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni Mitchell Companion Finally, finally, after ordering it weeks ago the Joni Mitchell Companion arrived at my door today. Wow, wow, wow! It is absolutely fantastic and so well done. This is the best book on Joni that I've seen. I was also so surprised and happy to see a prominent nod given to Wally, Les and all of us in the Acknowledgments page! Brilliant choice of articles included and there are new photos that I've never seen before. Thank you Stacy for such a beautiful book! Kakki Thanks so much for letting me know you're enjoying the book, Kakki. If you (or any other jmdler) would like to post your thoughts in a review on Amazon.com, I'd very much appreciate it. Vince wrote a glowing first review (thank you!), but today I saw a review, posted first because it's the most recent, that kind of broke my heart. I wouldn't have minded so much if he hadn't liked the choice of articles, or the order, or the headnotes, etc. (Well, yeah, I would have minded, but I would have taken responsibility for it.) But he slammed the book for the mistake about the picture of Rickie Lee Jones where a picture of Joni ought to be. I didn't do the photo research. In fact, I was "allowed" to see the book only once in the production process, early on, and not again until it was completed. (If I had seen it later, you better believe I also would have changed the typo in my name on the book's cover.) I hate seeing the book slammed for something over which I had no control (though of course, the reviewer reviews the book, not the process.) Nonethless, if you or anyone else have a few moments to post your thoughts on Amazon, I'd much appreciate it. Thanks again, Stacey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:03:06 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN single? <> Yes, Stephen, but remember you're in NYC where you have your CHOICE of jazz stations. Here in the boonies the closest thing we have to jazz on the radio is when the "modern rock" station plays Big Bad Voodoo Daddy! <> Sounds pretty blissful to me! Bob (not Dylan) NP: Stones, "Under My Thumb" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:06:00 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Boxers or Briefs (NJC) Mark replied: <> LOL Mark! No problem, I don't mind being the BUTT of a joke... Bob NP: Stones, "Let's Spend The Night Together" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:14:34 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: MOA Catherine wrote: >I get really irritated with people who start clapping and cheering when a >song starts and they recognize it. and SueMac wrote: >Yes, it was me screaming "Joni you're a genius, Joni your're a genius!" >during Slouching Toward Bethlehem at the Day in the Garden. Catherine must really hate my "Whooooo!" at the begining of "Cold Blue Steel And Sweet Fire" on MOA! Hehehehehehe..... ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:11:39 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN single? <> Boy, my Dad would be in 7th heaven to see a Rodgers & Hart tune on the hit parade! I was already planning to give him a copy of the CD for this tune alone... Anybody know what Broadway show this one's from? (A Clue: the answer is NOT Gomer Pyle! :~D) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:27:01 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Laugh Track >Catherine noted the goofball on the Miles Of Aisles session: > > > "Joni, you're better than Mick Jagger, Richard Nixon and > > [someone else that didn't fit] rolled into one!" in MOA. At > > least Joni laughed. > >For 10 points, and the championship, who was the third person mentioned in >the quote above? I'll give you a hint: It's a fictitious character from >American pop culture. No cheating! I listened to it again yesterday, so now I know! Jeez, how could I forget? I wonder if anyone outside North America, or younger than, what 35? (you never know - there are TV channels that play this kind of stuff ad nauseum) would get it though! Hint # 2 - it is NOT Gilligan, or anyone else from the island! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:40:49 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: BSN single? > > Deb asked: > > > > <BSN?>> > > Bob responded: > > I'd be REAL surprised...there wasn't a single from TTT, was there? And >that was a more "Pop" record...which market would play a single from BSN? >Adult Easy Listening stations, perhaps...what a ghastly thought, to hear >Joni sandwiched in between Celine Dion and some other MOR crooner... And Jerry added: >BUT, other pop singer have done VERY well with similar albums in >their >careers... Carly Simon, Linda Ronstadt, Toni Tenille, Natalie >Cole, for >example. Am I being a real snob hear by saying that I almost hope they don't release a single? I agree with Bob - it makes my hair stand on end and my teeth start grinding (ouch!) to think of Joni in there with Celine and Whitney and maybe some of the girly guile types. There aren't a heckuva lot of stations that play Joni's kind of music - what would you call it? Would you play it on a jazz station? I'd love to see Joni have a major hit - I'd love to see her make a lot of money - but the idea of her being one of those, uh, commodities (?) is mind-boggling. On the one hand, a bunch of people who may not have heard of her may be genuinely turned on to her music; on the other hand, the sycophants parade... yeesh. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:50:49 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Companion in Canada? Jim asked: >Have any Canadian list members gotten a copy of The Joni Mitchell >Companion yet? The Indigo and Chapters websites list the title as being >ready to ship in 24 hours, but so far the book hasn't appeared in their >Toronto stores. I haven't tried yet (too broke for now and looking for a second part-time job!) From what I've read of Indigo and/or Chapters (who are, incidentally, looking for help in their on-line division!), even if they *say* they can ship within 24 hours, I understand they're having a hard time keeping up with the demands of online ordering - seems they're getting more business than they were expecting (?) I read a few weeks ago in one of the papers that they even had the president into the warehouse packing orders trying to keep up with demand. Typically Canadian, eh? Never prepared! I haven't bothered going into the Indigo nearby (mall-phobia!) but don't you find that the people that work in those kind of stores always look really cute and perky, but most of them haven't read many books. They'd look it up on the computer for you, sure, but make sure they've got the name spelled right, 'cos they won't have a clue who/what you're talking about. I usually try to buy Canadian but if you want this kind of thing hot off the press, unfortunately, you're probably going to get it faster by ordering from the Yanks. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:51:34 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN single? <> Y'all have to make the distinction between "single" and "airplay"...I'm sure the record, as gorgeous as it is, will get *airplay*. But I'm equally sure that there won't be any "singles" culled from it. Next time you're in the store, LOOK and see who releases CD and cassette singles, it's NOT artists like Joni. That's kinda like thinking that MTV would play a video from BSN...it just ain't her market. Granted, I'd love to see a single, especially if she added some "Non-LP" stuff to it! Bob NP: John Mellencamp, "The Authority Song" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 17:00:30 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Cost of Housing - NJC >Colin reveals a fact known only to well to myself.. > > > >You should try affording a house in the UK especially in London >where >a > > >one bed > > >flat will cost $160, 000(USA). > >And Catherine comes clean.. > > > That actually sounds kind of reasonable to me! > > >Catherine. Will you marry me?? I'll see if I can dump Fang first, then I'll think about it. I swore to myself I would NEVER get married again but in your case, I'm willing to make an exception;) >atb, >Martin. Just outside London. > > Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:03:31 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Wally's Health NJC Bob said: <> I'm breaking a rule. "Me too". >> And I don't care how many rules I break. "Me three." I hope (and I'm sure it's true) Wally knows how many hundreds, possibly thousands of people he has touched deeply and brought together in community. Hugs and tears, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:08:14 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Continuing Irony? Hi Y'all! Last week when we were all (except Don and Paz ;-) watching Dawson's Creek to catch Joni's new BSN, the more observant listers noticed an ad for the Jonified title of the new Freddie Prince Jr movie, Down To You. Well, our oldest daughter went to see that movie with friends this weekend and said there was another Joni link in it. Carly came home and said the main female character was an artist of album covers and that they showed her working on what looked like a carbon copy of Joni's Clouds album. Has anyone else noticed the same in this movie? Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:09:28 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Crosby Article there is a nice article on cros and csny's tour in acoustic guitar (march'00). pictures by henry diltz for the west coast jmdler that runs into neat people in bars. for the confederate flag crowd, the article seems to bear down mostly on crosby and has no new pictures of stills or nash or young. and for the michigan priest, the article seems to avoid the whole ethridge thing. looks like a jmdler correct issue. only ones out are the joni only folks. sorry guys...no joni in this one. but!!!!! he does talk about open tunings and how he writes songs and tabs out one of his songs That House...so that offers some interest to the guitar heads on the only list. for that reason alone, i risk life and limb and drop the njc tag. pat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:10:18 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: BSN single? Maybe I've lost sight at this point what is meant by "single" but I heard there will be one or two promo "singles" sent out (don't know which songs). TTT did have a promo "single" pushed - Crazy Cries of Love. I have a copy of it and it was the song that tended to get the most airplay on the 2 main stations who play Joni in L.A. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 17:14:12 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Applause Applause NJC Martin says: >I agree with Scott about irritating audience noise during a song at >concerts (sorry Sue;-). Also that jazz audiences clapping after a >solo >being a nice thing - it shows you're paying attention at least. I agree - polite applause in recognition is good - I hate it though when people start whistling or something in the middle of the song. Maybe I'm just too damned repressed. >But with classical concerts, I wonder about the silences in between >movements where you Must Not Applaud. In general terms, classical music >is blighted by the idea that it's only for sophisticated people. And the >fact that there is this rule about applause at the concerts only serves >to reinforce that idea. I'm quite sure that amongst some concert goers, >(though I'm sure not of you Scott), there is also an element of, "Well >listen to those people clapping, they don't know that the piece isn't >over yet, unlike the rest of us who are SO much more knowledgeable. >Well, REALLY." > >Sometimes when I've been at a classical concert and I'm not familiar >with the work, I find myself holding back, waiting for everyone else to >start clapping, because I don't want to make 'a fool' of myself. It >kinda takes away the natural sponteneity of my response. > I know what you mean and I usually wait for some other sucker to start clapping before I do, too (coward!) I bet the musicians would actually appreciate it if audiences clapped at a particularly good bit. What IF someone had done a particularly good version of the 2nd movement Beethoven's 5th, or whatever and you were musically clued-in enough to recognize it as such? Why not applaud at the time? I understand that in the old-time operas in Italy (don't know if it's like that in modern times), the people would cheer and jeer at the performers all during whatever aria they might be singing. They'd have contests among the divas of the day and whoever got the most posititive applause would be considered to have won. So everyone would get all their rowdy friends out to the opera (where they'd be eating, drinking, playing cards and carrying on with their friends the whole time) to cheer on their favourite. So I think the "respect" and snobbishness that seem to go with classical music these days is a pretty modern invention. Back then, it was just rock'n'roll! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:29:32 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN single? NJC Bob asks regarding "I Wish I Were I Love Again" : Anybody know what Broadway show this one's from? (A Clue: the answer is NOT Gomer Pyle! :~D) >> Is it "Babes in Arms" starring Jim Nabors? Jimmy :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 17:30:03 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: most depressing song NJC I sent my email before reading Eric's - looks like we're on the same wavelength for all-time maudlin songs! > > It's GOT to be *Honey* by Bobby Goldsboro.... > > E.T. > And Mark chimes in with: >Oh & let's not forget 'Seasons in the Sun'! You're talking about that dreadful version done by Terry Jacks??? I'm sure that he and others like him only got airplay up here because it satisfied some kind of Canadian content rule - I am shocked, nay appalled, that it got any play outside of this frozen cultural wasteland! Back then, if you were Canadian, it seems you could record and be pretty-much guaranteed airplay no matter how crappy the singing. That song is actually a really POOR *rendition* - I can't call it a translation, because the English words are totally different from the French - - of a Jacques Brel number. In the JB version, the guy is actually very sarcastic - he's talking about a friend of his who has betrayed him, his wife or lover likewise, and so on - it's a very good, if very rough, song, especially when sung in the galloise-drenched too-much-red-wine kinda voice of a jaded middle-aged man (heehee!) Nothing about "joy and fun" there! That song reminds me of another CanCon clunker called "Quiver" or "Stay with me a while" by a group named the Bells, a tune I'd just as soon forget, except that, in periods of stress, I get these audio flashbacks - ---aaaaaaggggghhh! They make Terry Jacks look good. This chick singer had such a high-pitched wavery voice, she sounded like she was gonna shatter into a million pieces and I kept hoping it would happen - put that girl out of her misery. I really hate to bring this up, and inflict this on any other listers, but man, I need my catharsis... Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:40:57 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Winter Weather (or The Snow outside's delightful) (NJC) CatGirl asked: <> ME!!!!!! ME!!!!! ME!!!!!!!! As far as I'm concerned, we can have winter all year round! You can have the hot, humid, sweltering stuff. Give me the beauty of snow covered trees, the breathing in of freezing, crisp, clean air, and the exhilaration of bombing down a sleek white mountain trail with two boards strapped to your feet any day of the week! Why do you think I am always so far behind in Joni mail in the winter? ;-) Hugs, Ashara (who is in blizzard heaven today!) www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:45:09 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN single? In a message dated 1/25/2000 11:03:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy writes: << <> Yes, Stephen, but remember you're in NYC where you have your CHOICE of jazz stations. Here in the boonies the closest thing we have to jazz on the radio is when the "modern rock" station plays Big Bad Voodoo Daddy! >> Which is why I left NC many years ago. And actually, the number of jazz and standards stations is dying here as well. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:46:24 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: RE BSN Single In a message dated 1/25/2000 11:25:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << oy, my Dad would be in 7th heaven to see a Rodgers & Hart tune on the hit parade! I was already planning to give him a copy of the CD for this tune alone... Anybody know what Broadway show this one's from? >> "I Wish I Were In Love Again" is from "Babes In Arms". Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:01:54 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: MOA > >Catherine must really hate my "Whooooo!" at the begining of "Cold >Blue >Steel And Sweet Fire" on MOA! Hehehehehehe..... Aaahhh, so it WAS you - I knew it all along! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:03:50 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: On line discount coupons!!! njc Hey Friends, The addy below offers many on line discounts. Just scroll down to the store you want and find the discount coupon! Have fun!! Catgirl Go to this site and look under the store names: http://flamingoworld.com/coupon.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:10:06 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Dear Wally, THIS is exactly why I don't feel the need to post much. Everyone on this list is so articulate, and expresses exactly what I am feeling. Thank you Kate, and everyone else that has expressed such heartfelt words for putting it all so beautifully. Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet Kate wrote: <> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:10:02 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's music is universal! In a message dated 1/25/2000 8:52:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, sem8@cornell.edu writes: << I know one of the critisisems of Joni Mitchell's songs is that >they are too self absorbed,narcissistic,but I really don't believe that is >even 1% true. >> I don't agree witht hta either. I do agree that they are about her but I don't think is narcissistic at all. Just becuase one writes about the pain they are in or about their life doesn't catorgorize them as that. I feel more in tune with Joni for the way she writes makes me feel. When some of my relationships ended and I felt alone and numb, Joni brought the emotions back to me so I could feel again. I can identify with so many of her songs. I feel such a connection. One last thing, when i first heard Ethiopia, I was blown away. That song is incredible. She made me feel that I am no the only one who feel this way about things in life. I think this is also why I love Tubulent Indigo so much. I put that up with in the top 5!!! Sex Kills is such a truthful pissed off song. I love it!! The lyrics are so right on the money....the whole lp blows me away! Catgirl ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #45 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?