From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #39 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, January 22 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 039 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Anger/depression/Wally [Steve Dulson ] Re: Cost of Housing - NJC ["Alan Lorimer" ] Re: Request/Explanation/Enquiry/S&L [catman ] Re: most depressing song(VLJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Wally's Health ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Request/Explanation/Enquiry/S&L ["Mark or Travis" ] most depressing songs (njc) [evian ] Re: joni and anger-njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] more depressing songs (njc) [evian ] Most Depressing Songs (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] THE most depressing....(vljc) [KerriLynn@aol.com] RE: Michael: Host With The Most (NJC) ["patrick leader" ] Allison Krauss at the Fox(NJC) [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Re: RE: Wally's Health ["Claudia SansSoucie" ] RE: most depressing song NJC ["Eric Taylor" ] RE: Wally's Health ["Eric Taylor" ] To Wally, with Love [JRMCo1@aol.com] Dear Wally ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:14:40 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Anger/depression/Wally Please note this day. I've finally agreed with Colin on something. Colin wrote: The bit that angered me: the fucking(scuse my french)insurance people!!! ...How truly tacky and meansprited and totally digusting. Okay our NHS is by no means perfect but at least it is still humane and you can get the best treatment regardless of your 'worth'. ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 11:14:53 +1100 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Cost of Housing - NJC Re: >You should try affording a house in the UK especially in London where a one bed >flat will cost $160, 000(USA). Catman, It's a real Catch22 situation. People go to places such as London because that's were the employment and money is but they can't affort to live there. Housing is affordable on the North West Coast of Tasmania, but unemployment here is over 10%. My taxable income for the last two financial years has been around $20,000 Australian ($US13,000). There is far more work and money in the major cities but I couldn't afford to buy a house there. Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 00:31:48 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Request/Explanation/Enquiry/S&L Mike Friedman wrote: > But what's even worse, to me, is when people cover another artist's song, > and DO IT EXACTLY THE SAME WAY as the original! Yes!!! Although i tend not to like covers of any sort-unless it was the cover I heard first!(one that comes to mind-I like Summer's Could It Be Magic but dislike Manilow's, whose version I heard later). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 00:43:04 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Anger/depression/Wally Steve Dulson wrote: > Please note this day. I've finally agreed with Colin on something. seek and ye shall find. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 17:40:43 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: most depressing song(VLJC) > Gee, I must be more depressing than I thought. I'm loving the thread, and > you all mentioned some of my favorite songs: Hello In There, I Think It's > Going To Rain Today, River, Rainy Night House, Danny Boy, Great > Mandella.... > > Jerry Seriously (although I really do find 'River' to be a downer) the most depressing song I can come up with is 'Gloomy Sunday'. I know there are lots of others and I like a sad tune as well as the next Joni Mitchell fan but 'Gloomy Sunday' (which I should clarify is *not* a Joni Mitchell song) is just way overboard. I don't quite know how to describe what I feel about 'Sire of Sorrow'. The personal associations I have with it make it hard to listen to. But I admire the song so much that I can't really say that I find it depressing.... Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 18:09:07 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Wally's Health Suemac wrote: We would > have never come together if it wasn't for Wally's vision. This is the plain unvarnished truth. Wally is the pioneer that pointed the way for the rest of us. I, for one, will always be grateful to him. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 18:14:16 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Request/Explanation/Enquiry/S&L > But then thinking about In France They Kiss On Main Street, Edith And > The Kingpin, etc, etc, God they're all so good. I hardly ever get the > studio albums out to listen to these tracks, they are hugely surpassed > by their live versions.. I have the same feeling about some of the songs on 'Miles of Aisles'. In particular, 'A Case of You', 'Blue', 'Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire', 'Woman of Heart & Mind' and 'For Free'. Something about the immediacy and spontaneity of live performance really enhances these songs. I also like the sound of her voice better on MOA than on 'Blue' or 'LOTC'. Much less screechy. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 18:25:48 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: joni and anger But I do think it's interesting that someone like Joni - who has a > gift of expressing the most complex situations/emotions/relationships in her > work...seems to have avoided touching on an emotion that so many of us can > relate to... > more of my thoughts > - Ange > Sydney Well with all of the discussion of the shin kicking incident, the song 'The Windfall' comes to mind. If she isn't good & pissed off (and disgusted) when she sings 'You'd eat your young alive/for a Jaguar in the drive' I don't know what she is! I also think her voice sounds pretty harsh on certain lines in 'Sex Kills'. And she also does a good job of portraying Job shaking his fist at God in 'Sire of Sorrow' imo. 'Tax Free' on Dog Eat Dog' also comes to mind - 'Preacher preachin' love like vengeance/preachin' love like hate'. Not pretty. Not happy. Not sad. Pissed off! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 21:02:04 -0600 From: evian Subject: most depressing songs (njc) Most depressing songs for me have to be.... hmmm... Counting Crows "Long December" and Kate Bush's "This Woman's Work." God, they always choke me up, especially the Kate song, written for her mother. There are other songs that I find sad, or bittersweet, or just make me all emotional (Cheryl Wheeler's "75 Septembers" always makes me all teary, but it's not depressing), but these two are just plain sad to me. Evian np: the totally non-sad Prince nugget "Erotic City". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:09:19 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni and anger-njc In a message dated 1/21/00 5:36:39 PM US Central Standard Time, Siresorrow writes: << is that the show where she called them...'you two little fucks' >> No, she called him "an idiot - and a RUDE idiot at that" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 21:14:16 -0600 From: evian Subject: more depressing songs (njc) Oh God, sorry for the extra post, but who can forget Pink Floyd's "Wish you were Here" as a tear-jerker, depressing song??? I think I'm gonna play it right now! Evian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:29:58 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Most Depressing Songs (NJC) Two really sad and achy songs: 1. Carly Simon singing the Hoagy Carmichael tune, "I Get Along Without You Very Well." 2. Graham Parson's: "Love Hurts." MG - avoiding trying to figure out how to finish the plumbing job that I started.... np: Carly Simon, "Torch" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:51:09 EST From: KerriLynn@aol.com Subject: THE most depressing....(vljc) okay okay.... one of your favorite lurkers here.... "if leavin' me is easy", by phil collins is by far the most depressing songs done by a non Joni.... (imho) also.... "case of you" is a total fave, as i'm in tears listening...... kerrilynn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:50:03 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Michael: Host With The Most (NJC) patrick, not posting much, has to chip in rock on michael! he is a great host in an amazing city. my sister and i had such a great time down there, i was just talking food with a friend last night. if you make it to gallatoire's don't miss the shrimp remoulade. if you make it to nola, there was this spicy crabcake i won't forget. mandina's had the best onion rings i've ever eaten. have a great time, terry and family! patrick, drooling.... np - rufus - at midnight ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 23:24:34 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Wally's health Leslie, Thank you so much for keeping us informed on Wally's health. For the past year and a half, when I learned of Wally's illness, I have prayed for him daily. I have sent all of the good vibes that I could, and I'm not about to stop now. He's the man who has made such a difference in my life; in all of our lives. Joni may be the woman who has inspired so many of us, but Wally is the man who inspires me daily. My thoughts and prayers are with you Wally, and I'll be speaking with God all night tonight! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 22:05:26 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: Dear Wally, Although my heart is breaking, I'm also grateful and happy knowing that you are the root from which so many friendships and wonderful experiences have grown. I've met (and virtually met) many great people and done things I would not have if it weren't for you and Les. Your selflessness and dedication to the Joni site, along with Jim's tireless help, and Les' devoted work for the list, have created a foundation of love, and your positive influence and energy have grown exponentially, as they are carried daily on the words and deeds of hundreds of JMDLers. Thank you. I wish you peace and comfort, and the knowledge of the love you have helped to create. Kate in CO P.S. Thanks to Leslie for keeping us up with the news. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 00:26:00 -0500 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Allison Krauss at the Fox(NJC) Wow. Just got back from seeing Allison Krauss at the Fox Theatre in Atlanta. I hadn't planned on going but when I got home from work this evening(after a particularly long, hard day) a friend of mine handed me some tickets and I had less than an hour to find someone to go and get there but we actually made it with moments to spare. She put on a superb performance. I had seen her there several years ago but I had forgotten how great she sounds live. She had Jerry Douglas with her playing dobro which was a special treat in itself. He did an instrumental piece which was truly amazing. He started to tell a story about the history of dobros as well...he said that two guys from Czechslovakia came to California and fell in love with Hawaiian music but wanted something that would be louder and so they came up with the dobro... Her voice sounds so pure and has a lot of body to it which is unusual for such a high voice as she has. And speaking of depressing songs, as far as she's concerned you can bring them on. She mentioned a couple of times how much she likes sad songs. She performed a couple that were quite hauntingly beautiful and sort of made me think about writing a sad song again(the last several I've written have been really happy.) Anyway, check her out if she comes by your town. Of course, it was nice to hear the closing song, "Oh Atlanta" Victor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 00:21:39 -0500 From: "Claudia SansSoucie" Subject: Re: RE: Wally's Health >Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 18:48:51 -0500 >From: Deb Messling >Subject: RE: Wally's Health >Thanks, Leslie, for keeping us informed. I trust that Wally realizes what a >difference he has made in the lives of so many people. I second that - Wally, thanks for giving us all this community! Knowing that there are other human being listening, thinking, and talking about an artist that has deeply influenced me and tought me about artistic expression, integrity, and high standards has meant a lot to me. I have the digests forwarded to my work place and at lunch I usually hover behind my screen to catch up with everyone's thoughts and stories. There are no words to truly tell you how wonderful you are for having made it possible for us to be together despite the fact that we don't really know each other. Isn't it funny though how Joni makes us feel somehow deeply connected. Thanks for your tremendous vision and dedication - your spirit is simply amazing. Thanks also to Jim and Leslie. With much gratitude - My very best to you! Claud9 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 00:42:11 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: RE: most depressing song NJC The most depressing Joni song by far is Last Chance Lost! & I just LOVE it! E.T. __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 00:37:45 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: RE: Wally's Health Harper Lou shares my experience exactly: << JoniMitchell.com was the first place I ever visited on the Internet, and I could not imagine it not being there. I don't know you personally Wally, but I've seen your spirit, and it's a great one! Thank you! >> The first thing I typed in a search engine when I went online January '97 was Joni Mitchell & was immediately directed to Wally's stunning site. To this day I haven't encountered anything even approaching the integrity & beauty of www.jonimitchell.com ! Because of Wally Joni was reunited with her daughter, thousands are being turned onto SIQUOMB & we were treated to Painting With Words & Music. I only hope I accomplish something so miraculous in my lifetime! My favorite teaching, A Course In Miracles, states: "Whenever you offer a miracle to another you are shortening the suffering of both of you." You have facilitated miracles for not only Joni but many of us, Wally! Eternally grateful, E.T. __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 01:39:07 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: To Wally, with Love I'm celebrating the life and spirit of Wally Breese tonight. It's a wondrous sensation to contemplate his soul. Webmaster of the universe. Dream weaver. He opens wide the doors of perception into the artist I admire ardently above all others... His labor of love completes my musical appreciation wanderlust perfectly. JM.com is magical, timeless and immortal. So are you, Wally Breese. Thank you for answering my gushing emails to you about your fascinating interviews with Ingrid Pastorious, Dave Crosby and the others. The sensitivity and thoroughness you bring so selflessly to everything you do is appreciated and admired so much by me. Since I found you and your site my whole life has been profoundly and wonderfully changed. The voices of a millon angels cannot express my gratitude. Keep on keeping on and know we love you. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 23:10:46 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Dear Wally Dear Wally, I'm sad to hear of your suffering. Your courage through this ordeal has continually amazed me. Your website was the first one I visited when I got on the internet, too. I spent about 5 hours that night just mesmerized experiencing your labor of love for Joni. I have returned many, many times to read the updates, the interviews, the reviews, the lyrics, and all for hours on end. Thank you so much for what you have done. I never thought that first internet search would lead to so much in my life. I'll always remember meetnig you and your friends at Gladstone's in Malibu that first night of Joni's concerts in SoCal. I remember seeing you at the intermission with Mariana and we were all just so giddy to have seen Joni play - Mariana for the very first time, and for me after a long stretch since Miles of Aisles. In my mind's eye I recall us all practically jumping up and down, we were so high. Little did we know then that just a week later we would be getting together again for those unbelievably fantastic nights at the tapings. Your smiling face will forever be immortalized in Painting With Words and Music. I'm so happy that your dream led you to actually become a friend to Joni and were able to spend that weekend with her. Peace and love to you, Wally Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #39 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?