From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #35 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, January 20 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 035 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC -violent etc. ["Kakki" ] Re: Autograph Hounds (Minus Zero) NJC ["Eric Taylor" ] BSN ["Raffaele Malanga" ] UK jonifest recordings (NJC?) [Gertus@aol.com] Re: "American Beauty"(NJC) [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Re: BSN and Sir George [DHANOAP@uk.ibm.com] Re: "American Beauty" NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: BSN [Sally Pont ] BSN on Dawson's Creek NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] autograph hounds (NJC) [Emily Kirk Gray ] Raised on Robbery of Dawson's Creek [Don Rowe ] RE: Autograph Hounds (Minus Zero) NJC [Louis Lynch ] Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? ["Catherine McKay" ] Transperformance Guitar ["Michael Paz" ] Re: Raised on Robbery of Dawson's Creek ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Raised on Robbery of Dawson's Creek NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: (Minus Zero) NJC ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: Autograph Hounds (Minus Zero) NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: Raised on Robbery of Dawson's Creek NJC [Brian Gross ] More Coupons for you (njc) [Bounced Message ] Re: Autograph Hounds NJC ["rick novosel" ] URGENT VIRUS ALERT -- PRETTY PARK [Louis Lynch ] RE: URGENT VIRUS ALERT -- PRETTY PARK [Louis Lynch ] Re: UK jonifest recordings (NJC?) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? [AzeemAK@aol.com] Tape Tree #3 ** F R E E ** NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] most depressing song(NJC) [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Re: URGENT VIRUS ALERT -- PRETTY PARK [Mike Friedman ] RE: URGENT VIRUS ALERT -- PRETTY PARK (NJC) ["Mark T. Domyancich" ] NJC/re: Violent/non-violent irony [Kate Tarasenko ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:29:54 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC -violent etc. >I do think we need to know the whole story to judge...and so should we and Joni know the whole >story about Jackson Browne and Darryl Hannah before we judge. >That courtesy has not been extending by some members of this list in the past. Well geesch Darice, Jackson was not too popular a guy around here after he went all over the press badmouthing Joni a couple years ago, calling her "sick" and "crazy" and worse. Not to make excuses for some listmembers, but at least Joni only allegedly digs at him in songs where only he would know for sure. Whatever their feud with each other, at least she has not gone so public with it as he has. I don't imagine Joni has been too popular on the Jackson Browne list, either, right? I recall that your position was that Jackson never assaulted Darryl Hannah. Whether he did or not, I do not know, but that is the overwhelming impression that was given to people in the world press and people tend to believe what they read and see in the media, without much independent thought or inquiry. Why doesn't Jackson and Darryl do something to straighten out the misconception? I'm truly not trying to start up a dispute here, but you've thrown it out there for edification. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 03:45:16 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Autograph Hounds (Minus Zero) NJC CatGirl wonders: << Why would anybody live in sub zero temperatures? Are you an eskimo? >> Well I lived in sunny California & heavenly Hawaii for many years & what I missed most was a drastic change of seasons like we see in my homestate of Pennsylvania. There is something about the color of Autumn & the gray of Winter that comforts me deeply. A warm fire on a cold night is the most romantic thing I know. This reminds me of my fav Fleetwood Mac album Bare Trees.... Before I die I only hope to make love on a polar bearskin rug in an igloo! E.T. __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 03:28:09 PST From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: BSN Brian wrote: <> And then Linda wrote: <> And Julius added: <> All right, all right. You convinced me. I just placed my order for the box set of BSN. I thought I would have been brave this time and wait for the normal release in late March, but your comments were too much a temptation to resist. I feel lighter now - I'm sure my bank account feels the same :-( Thanks anyway. Raffaele in London ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 06:45:44 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: UK jonifest recordings (NJC?) Martin wrote in reply to Jason:- > what's the situation regarding the photos > and recordings of the evening? When will we get to see and hear them? >>Just to let you know that the Cellar Tapes, or whatever they're going to be called are resident in my editor at work at the moment. My DAT recorder evidently had a fit during the proceedings and I ended up with evrything bar three titles. Chris Marshall was also recording and will be sending me the missing titles as soon as his busy schedule allows. Then I can finish the editing, and make up a master or three for tree >>purposes. Great work, Martin (and Chris, of course). I can't wait to hear and see the evidence. I'm very willing to be a tree branch if you need me to be. Regards Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 07:35:48 -0500 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: "American Beauty"(NJC) > > > Did anyone see "American Beauty"?I thought it was excellent,and the best >movie I have seen in years.I've been thinking that songs from HOSL would have >sounded GREAT as a soundtrack to that movie.Harry's House/centerpiece,for >instance. As I said in an earlier post, I loved "American Beauty", and went home completely overwhelmed with a sense of the beauty in things. No movie has ever brought such a reaction out of me. I thought they made excellent choices for the soundtrack, especially the beatles Because. In November I wrote a song entitled "American Beauty" which was inspired by the movie and I plan to use as the title track on my next cd. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:36:04 +0100 From: DHANOAP@uk.ibm.com Subject: Re: BSN and Sir George I read a very recent interview with Sir George in a Q magazine (by far the best magazine in the world today) millennium special to The Beatles. In the interview he said he was gradually forced into retirement because of his gradually deteriorating hearing. So taking that into account I hasten to think that his involvement with the BSN project would be minimal with reference to Audial tasks. Preet NP: Outkast : Liberation (feauturing Erykah Badu - taken from the album Aquamini) NT: Art drives culture, but has no responsibilty for it >Kakki wrote >> Martin wrote: >> I think that some or all of the orchestral recording for the >album was >>done at Air Lyndhurst (in West Hampstead, London) which is owned by Sir >>George Martin. But I doubt also that he was involved in the sessions. >When I wrote the other day about the sound of BSN being so good having to do >with Sir George's involvement, I meant it from a technical standpoint - he's >always been noted for incredible sound in the projects he's been involved >with. Because of his reputation I thought that Joni's use of the studio >that bears his name, with or without his actual presence, would add to the >fine production values in the recording. >I don't have any liner note information for the new album but one of the >sellers of the BSN promo on eBay is advertising that Sir George conducted >the orchestra. Have no clue whether that is true or not. It would be nice >if we learned he came out of retirement to help Joni out, though. >Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 07:52:08 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "American Beauty" NJC TJKAR (The Jmdl'er known as relayer) said: <> We had a little mini-thread about it back when it came out, begun of course by our cinematic wonderwoman Julie Z. Webb. But we didn't filter in much of the HOSL dialogue, which is certainly appropriate. The line that comes to mind most readily for me is in the title track, "He bought her a room full of Chippendale, which nobody sits in". Recalling the scene where Kevin Spacey tries to put a move on his wife reclining on the sofa and all she's concerned with is that he's going to spill his wine on the fabric... AB WAS a fabulous movie, I thought it was hands down movie of the year for 1999 until I saw "Being John Malkovich"... Bob NPIMH: Eric Burdon & War, "Spill The Wine" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:23:39 -0500 From: Sally Pont Subject: RE: BSN I don't know "Dawson's Creek" well, but I was impressed by the placement of music throughout the drama; it added a real texture to an otherwise limited set-up. As a result, by the time the Joni rolled around (I was hoping for "a case of you") I was emotionally primed. I'm always wary of orchestration, but there wasn't anything soft about this version. The lilting soprano sax (sounded a little like Wayne Shorter, but I don't know if he's on the personnel list) is a great wedding of late and early joni. This album will be great. Sally - -----Original Message----- From: Raffaele Malanga [SMTP:r_malanga@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 6:28 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: BSN Brian wrote: <> And then Linda wrote: <> And Julius added: <> All right, all right. You convinced me. I just placed my order for the box set of BSN. I thought I would have been brave this time and wait for the normal release in late March, but your comments were too much a temptation to resist. I feel lighter now - I'm sure my bank account feels the same :-( Thanks anyway. Raffaele in London ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:06:37 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: BSN on Dawson's Creek NJC Everyone else has already said it, but Joni singing BSN again is WONDERFUL!!! I recorded Dawson's Creek and I was fortunate enough to have a friend call me and tell me that Joni's song was at the very end of the show, so I didn't have to waste anytime watching the entire show!!! So now that I've heard a little of BSN, I am so psyched up for the release. Hurry February Hurry!!! Jimmy- NP "Sanibel" by CSN&Y which is about an island 15 minutes from my house. (Thanks for the good advice Kakki) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:35:48 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: autograph hounds (NJC) is anyone a fan of the writer paul auster? he wrote a lovely, touching, eerie essay about 5 years ago (or at least it was published 5 years ago) about going to see his first baseball game, and being in little-boy- baseball-freak worship of willie mays (is this right? i only follow the knicks...) anyway, he makes his dad linger outside the ball park for an hour, waiting for the great player to come outside. when he does, little paul auster walks up to him trembling and asks for an autograph. willie mays says, "sure kid, sure, you gotta pen?" paul freezes. he doesn't. willie mays is waiting, "don't you even have a pencil or something?" his dad is frantically patting his pockets, but no one around has a writing implement! willie mays looks at paul and says "sorry kid, no pencil no signature" and walks away. paul auster writes that from that day forth he carried a pencil everywhere and anywhere, not sure of what it might be used for, but refusing to be without ever again. he ends the essay by saying something like "and that, i tell my children, is the story of how i became a writer." isn't that a lovely story? linking that "autograph hound" impulse we all (or most of us) have in the face of greatness to the origin of the desire to make something great oneself... - -- emily ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 06:37:43 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Raised on Robbery of Dawson's Creek In one of the most spectacular displays of irony I've ever experienced, last night, our indie WB affiliate Channel 11, aired the St. Louis Blues hockey game instead of the WB line-up which would have included "Dawson's Creek"!!! I'm still laughing ... Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 07:08:49 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Autograph Hounds (Minus Zero) NJC You go, CatGirl! Must be a Pennsylvania thing, but I agree totally. I lived for a while in two monotone climates: Florida and Hawaii. The weather always seemed to stay in the 70s and the only variety was rain or not rain. It just doesn't seem right not to have more change than that throughout the year. Most of all, though, I missed the COLD! The shivering, numbing, teeth-chattering cold that penetrates your whole brain. Even though there's a slight discomfort in it and, like most things, too much can be dangerous, it's refreshing and invigorating. Last night, just before it started snowing, I walked down to the big pond, put on my ice skates and glided around in the light of the full moon until my toes were so cold they burned. Every time I go skating, I invariably end up singing "River" in its entirety at least 100 times -- just spinning around on the ice and singing that tune over and over again. It's beyond recreation -- it's therapy. Sorry Kakki, but I wouldn't trade that for all the sunshine in California... Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:12:19 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN In a message dated 1/20/2000 7:59:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, spont@moravian.k12.pa.us writes: << The lilting soprano sax (sounded a little like Wayne Shorter, but I don't know if he's on the personnel list) is a great wedding of late and early Joni. This album will be great. >> Wayne Shorter and Herbie Hancock both play (guest artist) on the new BSN from what I've read, so you are probably right about that being Wayne on BSN. Stephen (counting the days now) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:41:30 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Autograph Hounds (njc) >You know something totally sinful? My brother-in-law got me Joni's >autograph when she came into his store, and I lost the damn thing! I >have no clue where the stupid thing is.... Catherine, wanna check >your >purse? ;) Well, y'know, there is some grease-stained something-or-other wedged way the hell down in the bottom between a squished cookie and a, what the heck is that other thing ... iw, there's gum or something stuck to it.... ick, gross, that wasn't gum - what the hell IS that stuff? If I can hold back my gag reflex for a bit........ I see a JJJJJJ... Nope, it's just my brother-in-law's business card. Quick where's my blow torch? Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:52:56 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? Kakki clarifies something for me: >This was the final act in a long series of provocations against >Joni. Certainly she knew just where to hit (figuratively speaking) >Joni >where it would hurt the most. I get it. I once had an employee (in the workplace, not in my home) who was kind of like that. I'd like to explain it ato myself by assuming she had some kind of mental illness, because I never could figure out why someone would behave that way - quite manipulative and vindictive towards her co-workers, managers, the whole bit. The whole thing was just so weird I don't even like talking about it - the thing that really drives me nuts is, I always try to figure out what motivates people. If I can understand why someone behaves a certain way, it helps me deal with a situation better. I never could figure out what motivated this individual, so I have to just go with the "she's nuts" explanation. And breathe a sigh of relief that she's outa my life! I have to say one of the reasons I went with group daycare for my kids instead of looking for a nanny was fear of just that sort of thing - I had heard too many horror stories of people having to go through 5 or 6 before getting one that was even half-way decent. >Luckily my friend is very wise and came up with >a solution that stopped the abuse completely without having to fire > >thewoman. Oh yeah, just leave us hanging like that! What did she DO? I'm dying to know! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:52:04 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re Minus Zero NJC >CatGirl wonders: > ><< Why would anybody live in sub zero temperatures? Are you an eskimo? >> Eric responds: > Well I lived in sunny California & heavenly Hawaii for many years & >what >I missed most was a drastic change of seasons like we see in my homestate >of >Pennsylvania. There is something about the color of Autumn & the gray of >Winter that comforts me deeply. Thank you, Eric, for reminding me of seasons. Despite my constant bitching about the weirdness of Toronto weather (too cold in winter, too hot and humid in summer), I believe I would truly miss seasons (especially spring and autumn) if I were to move to a more temperate climate. I've always thought San Francisco sounds like the perfect place to live, were it not for the earthquakes. Why does anyone live where they live? usually because that's where they were born, or because that's where their family moved when they were kids and had no choice. That's where you have your friends and that's where you get your job. I'd be outta here in no time if I could land a job with similar pay (I'd even take a pay cut but not a large one) outside this city simply because housing is so expensive here. I could buy a house for cash in London (Ontario) where my sister lives for what would be a down payment here. How wonderful to have no mortgage! However, I'm not going anywhere without first landing a job. At least I'm not in Buffalo, on the south side of Lake Ontario, where they always get a whole lot more snow than us - however, it has been snowing all day and it's going to get reeeeeally cold tonight, so I'm going to join my cats, curled up in front of the heating vents at home! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:25:48 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Transperformance Guitar Hey Kakki and John and Guitar Enthusiasts- Last year I brought the TransPerformance Guitar with me to Joni Fest so that the guitarists present could check it out. While this instrument is amazing and very nice, it would not work for the true Joni guitarist because: A) It will not do ALL of her tunings. It does not have the capability of going low or high enough at the same time. I gave them all of the tunings and they are going to work on changing this in their software. B) It only works on a Les Paul or Telecaster body style (VERY HEAVY) and then you have to add their hardware at a cost of about $1500-2000. It is a very cool device and for the guitarist that plays blues, slide type stuff it could be a godsend. Michael NP-Mind Drive-Yes/Keys to Ascension 2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:40:39 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Raised on Robbery of Dawson's Creek Don says: >In one of the most spectacular displays of irony I've >ever experienced, last night, our indie WB affiliate >Channel 11, aired the St. Louis Blues hockey game >instead of the WB line-up which would have included >"Dawson's Creek"!!! I'm still laughing ... LOL! Does that mean you taped the hockey game? This reminds me of the time I was trying to tape the short version of PWWAM that ran on CBC-TV. We've only got one TV and Fang wanted to watch The X-Files, so I got the VCR all set up to record. However, because of the way they switch channel numbers on cable TV, I thought it was Channel 6 on cable 5, when it was really the other way around, so I ended up with an hour's worth of on-screen TV-guide listings. I was SOOOO mad - at myself - but when Fang started laughing at me, I decided it was OK to be immature about it too, and I blamed the whole thing on him and called him every bad name in the book. I am so glad they made the whole show available on tape to buy. More music, more talk, NO COMMERCIALS! Is this JC or not JC? Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:48:26 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Dylan/Marshall Crenshaw Happy Thursday everybody! I was driving around at lunch running some errands (mailing pkgs out to Linda W., John C & Cathy C.) and heard a brand new Dylan tune called "Things Have Changed" from a SOundtrack called "The Wonderboys", it sounded pretty good, some nice acoustic stuff...the radio station also announced that Marshall Crenshaw was going to be David Dye's guest tonight on the World Cafe, playing some in-studio songs from his new record. I'm gonna tape that in case it rocks, so if anyone is interested in a copy, let me know! Hopefully Joni will swing by Philly and sit in with David and do some in-studio stuff too! Well, a boy can dream can't he? :~) Bob NP: Cheap Trick, "Dream Police" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:50:55 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: (Minus Zero) NJC Harper Lou wrote: << I lived for a while in two monotone climates: Florida and Hawaii. The weather always seemed to stay in the 70s and the only variety was rain or not rain. It just doesn't seem right not to have more change than that throughout the year. >> Having lived only in Florida my entire life, I can agree with Lou. It's about 78 degrees outside now and that's just not the way it should be in January. I do love living in Florida, but it would sure be nice to go romp in the snow or watch the leaves change in the fall............but who knows, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:55:13 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Raised on Robbery of Dawson's Creek - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > I was trying to tape the short version of PWWAM that > ran on CBC-TV. However, because of the way >they switch channel numbers on cable TV, I >ended up with an hour's worth of on-screen TV-guide >listings. when Fang started laughing at me, I >blamed the whole thing on him and called him every >bad name in the book. > Is this JC or not JC? I'd say this is (SJC) -- now if you had kicked Fang in the shins -- THAT would be JC. Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:55:49 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Raised on Robbery of Dawson's Creek NJC <> Catherine, maybe a good rule of thumb is that if you have to ask, you should probably just put an NJC on it... (I'll get it either way so it don't matter to me!:~)) Bob NP: Cheap Trick, "Gonna Raise Hell" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:09:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: (Minus Zero) NJC Having spent 30 years in Buffalo, y'all can keep snow and ice. I love Florida winters! Jerry On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Harper Lou wrote: > > << I lived for a while in two monotone climates: Florida and Hawaii. The > weather always seemed to stay in the 70s and the only variety was rain or > not rain. It just doesn't seem right not to have more change than that > throughout the year. >> > > Having lived only in Florida my entire life, I can agree with Lou. It's > about 78 degrees outside now and that's just not the way it should be in > January. I do love living in Florida, but it would sure be nice to go romp > in the snow or watch the leaves change in the fall............but who knows, > the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. > > Jimmy > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:56:28 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? Catherine wrote: >I always try to figure out what motivates people. If I can understand why someone behaves a certain >way, it helps me deal with a situation better. I also try to look behind baffling or hostile behavior from others to understand where they are coming from but sometimes there is no good answer or solution. It can be a real challenge, especially when it involves supervising people in a work environment. > >Luckily my friend is very wise and came up with > >a solution that stopped the abuse completely without having to fire > > >thewoman. > > Oh yeah, just leave us hanging like that! What did she DO? I'm dying to > know! She hired a second woman part-time. This effectively removed the first woman's power over her to make extortinate demands. When the first woman realized she wasn't the only game in town, she gave up the manipulative behavior. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:04:28 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Autograph Hounds (Minus Zero) NJC Louis wrote: > You go, CatGirl! > > Must be a Pennsylvania thing, but I agree totally. It's a Pennsylvana thing, but Catgirl is the one who *wants* to move to California and Eric is the one who wants to stay. ;-) > Sorry Kakki, but I wouldn't trade that for all the sunshine in California... Hey, I wasn't trying to make it some kind of geographical competition - I was just worried about you all, especially because all of my relatives live in Pennsylvania. So now I have one less jimdle to worry about! ;-) I also think the change of seasons is wonderful and beautiful, but being a native here, I'm a born lightweight with weather extremes. I envy your heartiness! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:47:45 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Raised on Robbery of Dawson's Creek NJC - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > <> > > Catherine, maybe a good rule of thumb is that if you have to ask, you should > probably just put an NJC on it... > (I'll get it either way so it don't matter to me!:~)) Sounds like something my mother taught me as a kid - If you have to think whether it's right or wrong It's probably wrong. And sure enough, she was right. I've taught my daughters that one, too Brian ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:44:18 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: (Minus Zero) NJC Rather than travel the breadth of extremity, here in the Midwest we stick to a straighter line and enjoy four very distinct, but gradually shifting seasons -- one of the reasons I like it here so much. Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:48:29 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: More Coupons for you (njc) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 07:51:23 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Hi gang, Just got an order from bn.com and in the box were 2 more offers I thought I'd share with you. 1) Save $10 on an online purchase of $40 or more at www.bn.com Coupon claim code: CTENOFF Offer ends 3/1/00 2) Get $15 off your first purchase at www.PlanetRx.com Coupon code: BNBOX Offer expires 3/13/00 Thanks, Laura, for all your money saving offers. They make shopping fun (and a bit more reasonable, too) Take care everyone, Brian np: Indigo Girls - Swamp Ophelia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:56:26 -0800 From: "rick novosel" Subject: Re: Autograph Hounds NJC Evian laments: > You know something totally sinful? My brother-in-law got me Joni's > autograph when she came into his store, and I lost the damn thing! I > have no clue where the stupid thing is. Evian, I can go you three better (or worse). I have, in my life, been the proud possessor of three Joni Mitchell autographs. (What else do you say when you're 19 or 20 and you meet the person you are completely in love with backstage, except "Uuh, uummm, w-w-w-would you s-s-s-sign this?" Anyway, I no longer have any of them due to an unfortunate episode of spring-cleaning that my mother engaged in several years after I moved out. Rick, dreaming of a warm night in Stratford, Ontario, the stagedoor opening, Joni appearing, wearing a long velvet dress, carrying a bouguet of daisies...sigh. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:11:50 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: URGENT VIRUS ALERT -- PRETTY PARK Hello JMDL, Recently, Michael Paz sent an e-mail with a file attachment named PrettyPark.exe My e-mail comes to me at my job for a software developer. We have very up-to-date development tools and run a series of virus tests on all incoming files. Our anti-virus software detected a serious virus in the file. It is classified as a system-level virus and could be dangerous to your operating systems. If you received the e-mail, please delete both the file and e-mail message immediately, then empty your recycle bin (permanent delete). Sorry Michael, don't mean to offend you. I'm sure you didn't know about the virus. Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:21:47 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: URGENT VIRUS ALERT -- PRETTY PARK Yes, Harper Lou, I got the same virus...it instantly installs a Carly Simon screensaver! :~) Bob NP: Dave Matthews, "Jimi Thing" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:26:16 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Raised on Robbery of Dawson's Creek > >Is this JC or not JC? > If you have to ask then IT IS!! :-) sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:44:46 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: URGENT VIRUS ALERT -- PRETTY PARK Bob wrote: Yes, Harper Lou, I got the same virus...it instantly installs a Carly Simon screensaver! :~) Bob! That's NOT what I meant! But thanks for the laugh. (And if it's a screensaver of the photo from Carly Simon's "Torch" album, bring it on! Umm Umm Umm!) Michael, write to us. Are you OK, or has the Pretty Park virus done you in? Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:15:17 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: autograph hounds (NJC) At 09:35 AM 1/20/00 -0500, you wrote: > >is anyone a fan of the writer paul auster? he wrote >a lovely, touching, eerie essay about 5 years ago >(or at least it was published 5 years ago) about going to >see his first baseball game, and being in little-boy- >baseball-freak worship of willie mays (is this right? >i only follow the knicks...) (snip) >-- emily Paul Auster also incorporated this baseball schtick in his first (i think) novel, 'City of Glass'. His first wife, Lydia Davis, is great also- I prefer her stuff. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:06:56 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: URGENT VIRUS ALERT -- PRETTY PARK Michael and JMDL, Sorry if you feel that I'm intruding with this long e-mail, but I feel it's important since we may have all been exposed to a virus. I did some checking on the e-mail virus that was sent from your computer. It was definitely not something you passed along -- it generated itself from your e-mail system. You will not be able to find the "file" -- it is merely a script embedded in another file sent to you as an attachment. PrettyPark.exe is probably a file created by the script and not the name of the stored file that contains the virus. The virus is carried as a hidden script, and could have been conveyed to your computer in any document you received (word, wave file, etc.). It probably came to you within the past 24 hours. When you opened the attachment (any file type) or previewed the e-mail, the script fired. It attached itself to your address book, created the message (we received) and sent the message to the addresses in your book. A more insidious version could have had a delay trigger -- it could have been waiting in memory until you did something to trigger it, such as send another e-mail, open a program, or another activity. It also could have triggered automatically if you have your e-mail browser set for Preview. To cleanse your computer: Go to the location where your e-mail files are stored. Your "sent items" folder may be able to give you an approximate time when the virus fired off its messages. For best results, you should delete all the attachments you received within the past 24 hours. If they are important business documents, save them to other files or ask the senders for replacements. If they are unimportant (such as jokes, etc.), simply delete them. You also should delete all e-mails you received within the past day or two. If you have very important e-mails, copy their text and store it in a text file or Word document to preserve it. Since the script is embedded in a file, it is probably safest to delete all nonessential e-mails and attachments you've received recently. Remember to empty the Recycle Bin immediately. To prevent the virus from spreading: In Settings, Control Panel, Internet (Browser) Setup, there should be a panel that include the "Enable Script" flag. This is an on/off switch that tells your computer to run any scripts it receives automatically, or to prompt you before running incoming scripts. You see, even though you may not have opened the e-mail or attachment involved, your e-mail program might have allowed the virus script to run automatically. (For example, Outlook 2000 automatically stops scripts during Preview, but previous versions did not.) Set the flag to prompt you before running incoming scripts. That way, the script cannot bypass your virus detection software. For maximum protection: The e-mails you receive should be formatted as "plain text" (ASCII) only. When you receive files in Rich Text format (with colors and pictures), you allow scripts into your system without checking them. Sorry for the long, boring e-mail, guys. Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:58:26 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: VIRUS ALERT!!! To the JMDL- Hello friends (I hope) I received the Pretty Park Virus from a trusted friend who apparently sent it out to me without knowing it. It in turn attached itself to my address book and you guys know the rest of the story. This is a very ugly and dangerous virus DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT CALLED PRETTY PARK. EXE it will reek havoc on your system. Here is a fix that someone who was on my email list sent back to me in case you need it. I pass it along to you inhopes that it will help you should you need it. My sincere apologies to everyone that might have been infected by being on my list. I guess this means that will have to wear condoms from now on. Best wishes to all. Michael (on my way out the door to meet Terry Matlin for dinner) PrettyPark.Worm Aliases: Trojan Horse, W32.PrettyPark, Trojan.PSW.CHV, CHV Infection Length: 37,376 Area of Infection: C:\Windows\System, Registry, Email Attachments Likelihood: Common Detected as of: June 1, 1999 Characteristics: Worm, PrettyPark.EXE, Files32.VXD <<...>> Description This is a worm program that behaves similar to Happy99 Worm . This worm program was originally spread by email spamming from a French email address. The attached program file is named "PrettyPark.EXE". The original report of this worm was submitted through our exclusive Scan&Deliver system on May 28, 1999 from France. When the attached program called "PrettyPark.EXE" is executed, it may display the 3D pipe screen saver. It will also create a file called FILES32.VXD in the WINDOWS\SYSTEM directory and modify the following registry entry value from "%1" %* to FILES32.VXD "%1" %* without your knowledge: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Classes\exefile\shell\open\command Once the worm program is executed, it will try to email itself automatically every 30 minutes (or 30 minutes after it is loaded) to email addresses registered in your Internet address book. It will also try to connect to an IRC server and join a specific IRC channel. The worm will send information to IRC every 30 seconds to keep itself connected, and to retrieve any commands from the IRC channel. Via IRC, the author or distributor of the worm can obtain system information including the computer name, product name, product identifier, product key, registered owner, registered organization, system root path, version, version number, ICQ identification numbers, ICQ nicknames, victims email address, and Dial Up Networking username and passwords. In addition, being connected to IRC opens a security hole in which the client can potentially be used to receive and execute files. Norton AntiVirus will detect PrettyPark.Worm as "Trojan Horse" with June 1, 1999 virus definitions. With the June 9, 1999 definitions or later, the worm will be detected as "PrettyPark.Worm." Repair Information Removing this worm manually: Using REGEDIT, modify the Registry entry HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Classes\exefile\ shell\open\command from FILES32.VXD "%1" %* to "%1" %* (You may launch REGEDIT through Windows Start-menu-RUN. Then search for "FILES32.VXD" in REGEDIT.) Delete WINDOWS\SYSTEM\FILES32.VXD Delete the "Pretty Park.EXE" file. Reboot your computer. You need to do step #1 above; otherwise, executable files may not run properly if you simply delete FILES32.VXD Safe Computing This worm, and other trojan-horse type programs, demonstrate the need to practice safe computing. You should not launch any executable-file attachment (EXE, SHS, MS Word or MS Excel file) that comes from an untrusted email or newsgroup source. These files should always be scanned by Norton AntiVirus , using the latest virus definitions . <<...>> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:02:25 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: UK jonifest recordings (NJC?) In a message dated 19/01/00 20:23:29 GMT Standard Time, mlg@ukonline.co.uk writes: << Chris had a digital camera, and got quite a few photos, and I think Azeen [sic] was taking pictures too that night. >> I was, and it reminds me that it's about time I had them developed. I'll get onto it soon, promise... Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:02:21 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? In a message dated 19/01/00 00:11:22 GMT Standard Time, netgirl@ctos.com writes: << For myself, I don't find it justifiable for one person to strike another under any circumstances other than that of actual self-defense, defined as imminent danger to one's person. My opinion is that Joni fucked up, she paid for it (at least) through the courts, and she moved on. But I'm surprised that so many folks here would not only excuse her behavior, but would go so far as to invent reasons for it. To paraphrase "Hamlet," it seems that some 'breathe her faults so quaintly that they may seem the taints of liberty.' >> Am I alone in assuming Michael was joking about the Central American traditions?? Poking gentle fun at our lionisation of the Great One? [aha! since typing this response, I see that Colin has made the same point] Anway, my understanding is that Joni kicked her in anger when she found out about the deception, ie saying she needed money to go home and then going on holiday. Not admirable, nor likely to bring the world to a premature end. And I'm not sure she paid through the courts - I'm pretty sure the case never got to court, and I imagine very few people know how much money, if any, changed hands in settlement. Kakki's response and Colin's have rendered this note almost superfluous, but hey, I typed it, and I'm gonna send it! Azeem in London NP: Tamara Williamson, The Unconscious Pilot ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:18:15 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Tape Tree #3 ** F R E E ** NJC Tape Tree #3 is available free on 3 audio cassettes. It's a reissue which includes J-cards from the original tree. Tape Tree #3 starts with group of live performances from a radio station's tape archive. The quality of the recordings vary wildly but she tells many stories. You will hear her skill as a storyteller- that is for sure. The interviews were between 1966 and 1968, originally broadcast in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA. (Joni's first album, "Song To A Seagull" was released in 1968.) It also includes a live performance at a nightclub called the 2nd Fret, also in Philadelphia, during October 1967. This was at the end of the Summer Of Love if I recall. She was sure of herself and did not have any cocaine anger, ooops. I mean, she is an accomplished live performer, calmly telling her audience about the story behind some songs. To read more about this period, go to: http://www.jonimitchell.com/joni2.html The third tape has 2 discussions with Roberta Joan (Joni) Anderson Mitchell. The first interview took place in 1988, to announce the (then) new album called "Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm". To read more on this era, go to: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Experimental.html In 1995, the interviewer was Todd Rungren. (Have you ever heard "Hello It's Me"? It's the same guy.) Tape Tree #3 acts as an excellent introduction to the tape trees in general, Joni's experiences in the folk nightclubs of North America, and the middle period stuff. d i s c l a i m e r s :::: Send an email to me and I will give you the details! I'll be keeping this tree open for the winter (Northern Hemisphere) / summer (Southern Hemisphere). I will label it N_J_C from now on. Read Les's introduction to tape trees at http://jmdl.com/trading/ I hold the same aversion to bootlegs that the page describes. np: Vince Guaraldi's "Christmas Time Is Here" (I know, I know, it's over.) BTW, I haven't forgotten Frank Tortorici or Neil Penwell. I haven't made it to Kinko's to make J-cards for you guys. Maybe this evening. - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:11:11 -0500 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: most depressing song(NJC) My roommate said tonight that he thinks John Prine "Hello in There" is the most depressing song ever written. I'm almost inclined to agree...it's really hard to think of a song that's more depressing. Any other thoughts on this? Victor NP: John Prine- John Prine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:08:12 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: URGENT VIRUS ALERT -- PRETTY PARK Please note that this is a virus that can ONLY affect Windows machines. It won't affect Macintoshes. Mike > From: Louis Lynch > Reply-To: Louis Lynch > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:06:56 -0800 > To: 'Michael Paz' > Cc: "'joni@smoe.org'" > Subject: RE: URGENT VIRUS ALERT -- PRETTY PARK > > Michael and JMDL, > > Sorry if you feel that I'm intruding with this long e-mail, but I feel it's > important since we may have all been exposed to a virus. > > I did some checking on the e-mail virus that was sent from your computer. > It was definitely not something you passed along -- it generated itself from > your e-mail system. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:14:18 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: most depressing song(NJC) At 05:11 PM 1/20/2000 , waytoblu@mindspring.com wrote: >My roommate said tonight that he thinks John Prine "Hello in There" is the >most depressing song ever written. I'm almost inclined to agree...it's >really hard to think of a song that's more depressing. Any other thoughts >on this? Staying with the above theme, I'll call you and raise you one with the song "Old Folks" by Jacques Brel. That song'll ruin your day. Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:46:06 -0600 From: "Mark T. Domyancich" Subject: RE: URGENT VIRUS ALERT -- PRETTY PARK (NJC) I should note that this is a Windows virus, us Mac folks aren't affected. :D At 2:06 PM -0800 1/20/00, Louis Lynch wrote: >Michael and JMDL, > >Sorry if you feel that I'm intruding with this long e-mail, but I feel it's >important since we may have all been exposed to a virus. Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:51:47 -0500 (EST) From: David Wright Subject: Re: most depressing song (NJC) waytoblu@mindspring.com wrote: > >John Prine "Hello in There" Les wrote: > "Old Folks" by Jacques Brel. That song'll ruin your day. I'd say "The End of the Rainbow," by Richard Thompson. Richard informs a baby, "there's nothing to grow up for anymore." Amazingly depressing and nasty! No redeeming values! (except a nice melody). - --David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:19:57 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: NJC/re: Violent/non-violent irony I feel the need to clarify my previous post -- scroll or delete at will!^) I added my two cents about the "shincident" NOT to pass judgment on Joni. No, the facts are NOT all in, nor is it likely that they'll ever be disclosed in their entirety. (What I meant about Joni 'paying for it through the courts' was that I'd heard she'd settled out of court -- I know it didn't come to trial, but it was still handled legally, and it implies some monetary settlement.) I stand by my CONJECTURE and OPINION that Joni lost her temper and acted on it, and that's my prerogative -- it's NOT an opinion I'm trying to advance for any list support -- I'm simply airing it to make my point. My point is that I believe that if things went down the way I imagine they did, it was utterly human for Joni to lose her temper and lose control. It's just that it seems to ME that there's some troubling trend to deify Joni and excuse potential behavior which we wouldn't necessarily excuse had it come from someone else. I'm basically airing my own conscience on the issue, for what it's worth. (And if Michael's post about 'kicking out of affection' was meant tongue-in-cheek, it went right over my head, and I didn't see any subsequent post from him clarifying how he meant that.) I'm not trying on purpose to keep this thread alive -- it's possible that I'd get the same responses again that I've already received. I'm just piping up to clarify my main concern about the general issue of the cult of celebrity, and the disparities between Just Folks and the Rich-n-Famous. It can become a problem on a list like this (of which I am an occasionally vocal member), and I'd hate to see it go unchecked, regardless of Joni's supreme talents and rarefied life. Just folks, Kate in CO ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #35 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?