From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #34 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Thursday, January 20 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 034 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Autograph hounds ;-) (NJC) [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? ["Kakki" ] The Green Mile(NJC) [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Autograph Hounds (njc) [evian ] Cry Cry Cry (was request for a favor) NJC [john low ] Re: Autograph hounds ;-) (NJC) [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Re: Autograph hounds -strange or humorous autographs(NJC) [waytoblu@minds] Re: Autograph hounds ;-) (NJC)somewhat long [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: UK jonifest recordings (NJC?) [Chris Marshall ] Re: Autograph hounds ;-) (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Happy Birthday MG (njc) [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Sequencing of Albums NJC [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: Autograph Hounds (njc) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Autograph hounds ;-) (NJC) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Mingus [Scott Price ] NJC Happy Birthday Janis, MG. etc. [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Sequencing of Albums NJC [Jason Maloney ] BSN on Dawson's Creek [Brian Gross ] Re: BSN on Dawson's Creek [Linda Worster ] Re: Happy Birthday MG (njc) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Autograph hounds -strange or humorous autographs(NJC) ["Mark or Travi] Re: Mingus [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Mingus [Joseph Palis ] Re: Frozen Jimdles (NJC) ["Kakki" ] NJC -violent etc. [DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us] Re: Sequencing of Albums + Live albums NJC [Joseph Palis ] Re: Dawson's Creek [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Sequence of Albums (NJC) [catman ] "American Beauty" [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Mingus [CaTGirl627@aol.com] BSN on Dawson's Creek ["Eric Taylor" ] The Blest of Joni Mitchell NJC ["Eric Taylor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:10:41 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Autograph hounds ;-) (NJC) Don and Catherine, being on the same page, wrote: <> It's a deal! ;-) When we meet, I'll buy you each a beer. Don't make me try to drink one though....(too many in high school) or one of Kakki's industrial strength martinis either, as far as that goes. To bad we weren't all going to the Nawlins Jonifest......the hurricanes, served in The French Quarter are terrific! ;-) Peace Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:08:06 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? Catherine wrote: > I was thinking about the painting-the-piano thing. (Why would someone decide > just to paint the piano to begin with? How odd!) Again, it doesn't excuse > the behaviour, but maybe Joni viewed the piano as a sort of "child" (?) > Artists get awfully possessive about their art-making things. She did not paint it out of some misguided good intention to spruce up the decor a bit. This was the final act in a long series of provocations against Joni. Certainly she knew just where to hit (figuratively speaking) Joni where it would hurt the most. I tried to find the articles where Joni talks about the situation but am unable to access the search feature on the JMDL website. As I recall, the employee, (who, by the way was not a "maid" but more of a "house manager") was well-compensated and I believe, even drove one of Joni's old Mercedes. She took over Joni's house completely and would have parties there while Joni was out of town. There are also hints of extortionate-type behavior. The lyrics in "The Windfall" give a good overall impression of the situation. Some may suspect Joni of exaggerating the situation, but I can believe her. A friend of mine went through a very similar, but not quite as horrific, situation. My friend is a cancer surivior with serious medical disabilities who hired a woman to look after her elderly parents 40 hours a week. She paid her an extremely generous salary, plus paid all the woman's taxes and Social Security and paid for her to take 4-5 trips home to her native country every year. Nonetheless, the woman kept asking for more and more to the point where my friend also felt besieged, slightly threatened and almost held hostage by the woman. Luckily my friend is very wise and came up with a solution that stopped the abuse completely without having to fire the woman. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:22:40 -0500 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: The Green Mile(NJC) I just finished reading The Green Mile by Stephen King which I thoroughly enjoyed. I would say it is my favorite yet from SK along with The Stand. I am planning on going to see the movie and was wondering if anyone had seen it yet and what their impressions were. Victor...enjoying a new mouse NP: Natalie Cole-Unforgettable With Love ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:33:18 -0600 From: evian Subject: Autograph Hounds (njc) You know something totally sinful? My brother-in-law got me Joni's autograph when she came into his store, and I lost the damn thing! I have no clue where the stupid thing is.... Catherine, wanna check your purse? ;) Evian, freezing his ass off in the minus 36 degree cold! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:53:56 +1100 From: john low Subject: Cry Cry Cry (was request for a favor) NJC Bev wrote: "Some of the performers on the CD are Jonatha Brooke who does a beautiful rendition of Simon & Garfunkel's "Bleecker Street" ..." I heard this track (and several others) on a folk program on the radio here in Sydney just before Christmas and it sent shivers down my spine! John (in Sydney). __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:18:43 -0500 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Autograph hounds ;-) (NJC) I have an old guitar strap I've been collecting signatures on. So far I have Stanley Jordan, Richard Thompson, Adrian Belew, Peter Rowan, Michael Hedges(his last name has faded a little), and Greg Carmichael & Nick Webb from Acoustic Alchemy. It would be nice to get Joni on there.... Victor NP: Natalie Cole Nature Boy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:30:27 -0500 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Autograph hounds -strange or humorous autographs(NJC) I forgot to mention, I received an album once from Columbia House or someone like that...back when you could order lp's...and it was supposed to be Bruce Hornsby and the Range The Way It Is. However, when I took the album out to play it, it was labeled in the center as if it was Alabama The Touch, so if someone just came upon it on a turntable they would assume it was an Alabama record. I immediately wrote them and asked them to send me another one. I never found out if a whole run of albums had been misprinted or if it was an isolated occurance or a matter of just a few. I did hold onto the misprinted one though, and when I saw Bruce Hornsby on his small record store tour, I got him to sign the middle of the record, in effect, correcting what was mislabeled. He was sort of humored by the whole thing. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:33:57 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Autograph hounds ;-) (NJC)somewhat long In a message dated 1/19/00 2:53:02 PM US Central Standard Time, johnsonjs@earthlink.net writes: << Needless to say, Bob and I have 1 and 2 of 1/12 limited edition - GOLD autographs :~) Cool Huh? >> And this was when I fell madly and hopelessly in love with Jody! :~) We've been trying to outdo one another with musical favors ever since...not a bad dilemma, I must say! I mean, what are the odds of finding another person on the planet that you can talk Joni with, and XTC, and Tom Waits! Not to mention Elvis C., which we haven't even talked about - yet! JODY RULES!! Bob, autograph hound dog Ow-oooooooo! NP: Elvis C.,"Little Triggers" NP: El ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:37:01 -0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: RE: UK jonifest recordings (NJC?) On Wednesday, January 19, 2000 8:17 PM, Martin Giles [SMTP:mlg@ukonline.co.uk] wrote: > Just to let you know that the Cellar Tapes, or whatever they're going to > be called are resident in my editor at work at the moment. My DAT > recorder evidently had a fit during the proceedings and I ended up with > evrything bar three titles. Chris Marshall was also recording and will > be sending me the missing titles as soon as his busy schedule allows. I was away most of last week, and I'm giving a training course all this week, which leaves me little time for anything else. That said: I have the three missing tracks on my hard disc now (occupying about 80Mbytes of space!) and as soon as I can persuade my CD writer to work, they'll be on a disc and on their way to Martin. > I don't have the facilities to do any artwork, so perhaps someone could > step up to the plate for that? Chris had a digital camera, and got quite > a few photos, and I think Azeen was taking pictures too that night. Indeed. I have a few snapsots of the evening, although I'm not sure any of them are cover material. That said, if anyone of the london lot can get a picture of the front of the Troubadour, I'm quite happy to print a few CD sized covers. - --Chris Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd Web: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 E-mail: chris@secure-si.co.uk PGP key: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/chris/pubkey.txt Fingerprint: 49F7 5132 C599 6ADC 47E7 844E A612 3F53 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:41:27 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Autograph hounds ;-) (NJC) In a message dated 1/19/00 4:12:29 PM US Central Standard Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: << I have an old guitar strap I've been collecting signatures on. >> Cool Victor! You could sell it someday if you're *strapped* for cash! , Bob NP: Elvis, "Lip Service" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:03:54 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday MG (njc) Happy, happy, joy, joy oh Graceful One! Let's celebrate by going to see the CSNY2K show in Oakland next month...my treat! (Anyone else want to come with?) Your presence on this list and in my life means the world to me. May all the best this life has to offer be yours today and always. - -Julius NP: Tuck and Patti, "Heaven Down Here" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:07:20 -0500 (EST) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Sequencing of Albums NJC Like Joseph & Jason, I also work with a system. Unlike Jason, I am a fan of live music. Everything that I have that is live gets played on it's anniversary date, or once a year. That keeps me pretty busy and leaves little time for the studio stuff, which I store alphabetically by artist, and chronologically within each arrtist. I then work my way through the alphabet, moving chronologically through each artist. Next up (someday) is Springsteen's Born In The USA. Oh boy. Unlike Joseph, I like to hear how each artist progresses throuh the years from debut to latest. It ends up taking me about three years to get comletely round. Like both of them, I also have lots of perpetual clutter. And if you mix prunes with applesauce it tastes much more than cranberries than rhubarb does. Now you tell me what you know. gdave ©¿©===' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:32:19 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Autograph Hounds (njc) In a message dated 1/19/2000 4:32:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, evian@sk.sympatico.ca writes: << You know something totally sinful? My brother-in-law got me Joni's autograph when she came into his store, and I lost the damn thing! I have no clue where the stupid thing is.... Catherine, wanna check your purse? ;) Evian, freezing his ass off in the minus 36 degree cold! >> NOW MY QUESTION!! Make that two.. no. 1 Why would anybody live in sub zero temperatures? Are you an eskimo? no. 2 Why did you not tuck the autograph in your wallet or frame it?? The weather where you live sounds dreadful. Tthe weather I live at IS dreadful. That is why I am visiting the warm (and it better be warm!) sunny Californ-i-a!!! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:33:54 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Autograph hounds ;-) (NJC) In a message dated 1/19/2000 5:12:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: << I have an old guitar strap I've been collecting signatures on. So far I have Stanley Jordan, Richard Thompson, Adrian Belew, Peter Rowan, Michael Hedges(his last name has faded a little), and Greg Carmichael & Nick Webb from Acoustic Alchemy. It would be nice to get Joni on there.... Victor >> What an awesome collection!! I love Adrain Belew and loved Michael Hedges. So sorry about Michael!! I only have a few autographs. One of my favs is Francis Dunnery. He even wrote to Catgirl!! Cat.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:55:01 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Mingus At 06:15 PM 1/19/00, Joseph Palis wrote: >The other day, I was playing Joni's MINGUS and it just occurred >to me that of all Joni albums, this one always make me stop and listen to >the way she phrased the lyrics. Joseph, I feel Joni stretched her *vocal* talents more on "Mingus" than on any other project. She's all over the scale with both subtle and abrupt changes of nuance and inflection and the flawless performance is extremely tight and interpretive. It was on this album where she introduced the "breathy" sound which has come to characterize most all of her vocals since. I think by the time "Mingus" was released she had been experimenting with jazz colors for quite a while and finally just cut it all loose and let it happen...which is exactly how great jazz is made. The album did come to serve as THE turning point in her career because she immediately lost nearly all radio airplay and this translated into fewer album sales (read: less commercial success). In the aftermath of "Mingus," I feel Joni truly adopted a "screw 'em" approach to the record business and really became cynical about the whole industry. The album remains one of my all time favorites, especially as I grow older and become more aware of the mortality of myself, friends, and family. The images of Charlie Mingus, Lester Young, their struggles...oh so vivid! In this regard, the songs are a fine tribute to one of the music world's very best: Mingus. During one of their conversations Charles Mingus challenged Joni to sing five different melodies at once and when she looked at him quizzically he wryly said "These are the things I'm gonna miss!" This to me is the underlying theme of the album...the challenges we all face, whether musically, professionally, personally...and how we deal with them. (Turns out Charlie was only joking, but also shows his sense of humor.) I find the album is a great tribute to a great musician and by selecting Joni to present it Mingus not only ended up with an incredible record but succeeded in reaching a bigger audience than he might have had he chosen a more mainstream jazz artist. At the same time, the album has come to epitomize Joni's chosen path of always following her muse, damn the recording companies' bottom lines. "Mingus" gives us a glimpse of *two* uncompromising geniuses and helps to convince me that even after we're dead and buried, perhaps we have done some things well enough along the way to be remembered by those left behind. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:18:42 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC Happy Birthday Janis, MG. etc. (1) Today is Janis Joplin's birthday, and I pause to say happy birthday to Janis as well as to MG! (2) Thanks to Laura, I got my first free movie ticket yesterday. (3) The last few weeks I may have grumbled a few times about having the flu; well, it was not the flu, not at all. It was (and is) pnemonia. (4) Thanks to all who posted the various Martin Luther King materials. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:23:25 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Sequencing of Albums NJC Hi gd, gr8fuldave wrote: > Like Joseph & Jason, I also work with a system. Unlike Jason, I am a fan > of live music. Oops..to quantify my statement, I like live *music*, but when it comes to my favourite artists, their live *albums* are almost always at the foot of my most-frequently-played pile (in comparison to their studio material). I would rather watch a video/TV recording of a live performance. PWWAM, for example, though it would make a fine live album, would not be half the wonder that it is, were it merely listened to on CD...at least IMHO. > Everything that I have that is live gets played on it's > anniversary date, or once a year. That keeps me pretty busy and leaves > little time for the studio stuff, which I store alphabetically by > artist, and chronologically within each arrtist. I then work my way > through the alphabet, moving chronologically through each artist. This method of storing sounds a lot like mine, before *the change*. I thought it would be the best way of enjoying my collection, but I guess it wasn't for me. > Next up (someday) is Springsteen's Born In The USA. Oh boy. Unlike Joseph, > I > like to hear how each artist progresses throuh the years from debut to > latest. It ends up taking me about three years to get comletely round. I recently got Born In The USA on CD, after having it on cassette for 15 years. I am a huge Springsteen fan, and his work stands the test of time extremely well, as much as Joni's I think. I also enjoy listening to the development of an artist through their chronological work, though I am pretty lax on what I play regarding back-catalogue. > Like both of them, I also have lots of perpetual clutter. And if you mix > prunes with applesauce it tastes much more than cranberries than rhubarb > does. ??????????? :-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:57:43 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: BSN on Dawson's Creek For those interested in the music and not the show, the hour long episode closes with Joni singing as I've never heard her before. It brought tears to my eyes. Brian ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:05:32 -0500 From: Linda Worster Subject: Re: BSN on Dawson's Creek At 05:57 PM 01/19/2000 -0800, Brian Gross wrote: >For those interested in the music and not the show, the hour long episode >closes with Joni singing as I've never heard her before. It brought tears to >my eyes. I was crying like a baby by the time she got to that last line... Beautiful! Linda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:13:34 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Happy Birthday MG (njc) > > Happy happy birthday, Mary Grace. > > Brian > Mary Grace! It's your birthday! Happy Birthday, Darlin! {{{MG}}}} Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:30:25 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Autograph hounds -strange or humorous autographs(NJC) However, when I took the album out to > play it, it was labeled in the center as if it was Alabama The Touch, so if > someone just came upon it on a turntable they would assume it was an Alabama > record. I bought a cd in a Carly Simon jewel case with all the graphics & track list for her 'Hot Cake's album printed on the cd and when I played the darn thing what did I hear? Frank Sinatra! AUUGGGHHH!!!! It was a Frank Sinatra cd masquerading as Carly Simon's 'Hot Cakes'. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:04:20 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mingus Scott said: << I feel Joni stretched her *vocal* talents more on "Mingus" than on any other project. She's all over the scale with both subtle and abrupt changes of nuance and inflection and the flawless performance is extremely tight and interpretive. >> Great post Scott! I too think Joni's singing is at its best on Mingus, specifically "Sweet Sucker Dance", which is her finest hour to date vocal-wise IMO. On a whole other subject, I've been meaning to express the elation I feel that Joni's BSN project has happened so soon on the heels of TTT. Let's face it, NRH was '91, TI was '94, TTT was '98, so I was conditioned to expect a 3-4 year gap between Joni releases, this one comes only a scant 17/18 MONTHS after her last one. That in itself is extremely awesome! Of course, the project I'm anxiously awaiting and frothing about (ewww, not a very nice image) is her collection of songs dealing with all the emotional issues she's been experiencing; being reunited with her child and meeting her grandchildren, realizing that her duty as a mother is still awaiting, dealing with 4 generations from Myrtle to Kilauren's kids - so much material here, and material that has yet to be touched by any songwriter of Joni's expertise! If you're listening Joni, there's enough stuff here to justify a double CD!! Bob, in Dreamland NP: Elvis C.,"Taking My Life In Your Hands" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:18:19 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Mingus Scott, Thanks for a most insightful take on my favorite Joni album. I have to admit that I usually dislike it when people tell me the "inside tale" of an album because I tend to like an album the way I experience its sonic landscapes. But your incisive and perspicacious observation made me appreciate it more. I wouldhave wanted to listen to it again, but then I follow a particular sequence of albums where I have to listen to MINGUS after 600 CDs ;-) (Yo Jason and Dave!) I'd like to say that I agree with you when you said that the choice of Joni as interpreter of Charlie Mingus' songs speak well of Joni's credibility and pre-eminence as interpreter of songs (not just songwriting). I agree too that a jazz singer's tribute may generate some critical acclaim but it may not bring Mingus's music to a lot of people the way Joni must have succeeded in bringing it popular acceptance (even if, like you said, it was not commercially successful). On the subject of Joni's vocal styling, I noticed too that she was more "daring" in this record and that it may have paved the way for her vocal experimentation in her later albums (by the way, I get a kick hearing Joni sing the second line in "In France They Kiss On Main Street" which goes something like: "... in the war of indepeeeeennnndeeence" --> the way her voice glides and swoops). On the "raps" which were included (interspersed) in the album, I find that it gave it resonance, especially, when Mingus said that he is lucky after Joni's "The Dry Cleaner from Des Moines". And then after uttering that line in his low and thick voice, the opening bars of "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" send shivers, and goose bumps. Joseph np: Genai "Africa" (Heaven on Earth) > > Joseph, > > I feel Joni stretched her *vocal* talents more on "Mingus" than on any > other project. She's all over the scale with both subtle and abrupt changes > of nuance and inflection and the flawless performance is extremely tight > and interpretive. It was on this album where she introduced the "breathy" > sound which has come to characterize most all of her vocals since. I think > by the time "Mingus" was released she had been experimenting with jazz > colors for quite a while and finally just cut it all loose and let it > happen...which is exactly how great jazz is made. The album did come to > serve as THE turning point in her career because she immediately lost > nearly all radio airplay and this translated into fewer album sales (read: > less commercial success). In the aftermath of "Mingus," I feel Joni truly > adopted a "screw 'em" approach to the record business and really became > cynical about the whole industry. > > The album remains one of my all time favorites, especially as I grow older > and become more aware of the mortality of myself, friends, and family. The > images of Charlie Mingus, Lester Young, their struggles...oh so vivid! In > this regard, the songs are a fine tribute to one of the music world's very > best: Mingus. During one of their conversations Charles Mingus challenged > Joni to sing five different melodies at once and when she looked at him > quizzically he wryly said "These are the things I'm gonna miss!" This to me > is the underlying theme of the album...the challenges we all face, whether > musically, professionally, personally...and how we deal with them. (Turns > out Charlie was only joking, but also shows his sense of humor.) I find the > album is a great tribute to a great musician and by selecting Joni to > present it Mingus not only ended up with an incredible record but succeeded > in reaching a bigger audience than he might have had he chosen a more > mainstream jazz artist. At the same time, the album has come to epitomize > Joni's chosen path of always following her muse, damn the recording > companies' bottom lines. "Mingus" gives us a glimpse of *two* > uncompromising geniuses and helps to convince me that even after we're dead > and buried, perhaps we have done some things well enough along the way to > be remembered by those left behind. > > Scott > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:42:18 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Frozen Jimdles (NJC) Catgirl wrote: >The weather where you live sounds dreadful. The weather I live at IS dreadful. That is why I am >visiting the warm (and it better be warm!) sunny Californ-i-a!!! The climate lightweight in me has been downright stunned by reports of the weather in the east the past few days. Just checked the Weather Channel and it looks like a giant snow hurricane stretching all the way from Evian's place to SCBob's!! Geez, you poor, hearty souls! It's been pretty good here lately - we got a big gust of tropical air up from Hawaii. Some nights last week were almost like summer. I hope it holds! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:56:20 -0800 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: NJC -violent etc. I am reading all the posts about Joni's confrontation with her maid..and the "excuses" and "reasons" etc. I do think we need to know the whole story to judge...and so should we and Joni know the whole story about Jackson Browne and Darryl Hannah before we judge. That courtesy has not been extending by some members of this list in the past. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:45:07 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Sequencing of Albums + Live albums NJC Dave and Jason, Thanks for sharing your own ways of sequencing albums for listening and appreciation. I have friends who have a concept: they listen for 2-3 days anything reggae, then move to jazz 2-3 days later, then rock, then vocal jazz, then musicals. That is something I can't imagine me doing. Like Dave said, I like it when different so-called genre mix it was really about it, right, Dave? All those rhubarbs and applesauce?);-) After listening to baritone Matthias Goerne, I listen to guitarist Herb Ellis, then to Workshy. > I like live *music*, but when it comes to my > favourite artists, their live *albums* are almost always at the foot of my > most-frequently-played pile (in comparison to their studio material). I > would rather watch a video/TV recording of a live performance. PWWAM, for > example, though it would make a fine live album, would not be half the > wonder that it is, were it merely listened to on CD...at least IMHO. I like the immediacy of live music. Top of my list as all time fave live music is Pat Metheny's "The Road to You: Live in Europe" with Ella Fitzgerald's "Ella in Berlin" a close second. The applause, the jeers, the shouts make me feel the spirit of the performance (by the way, I like the applause when Joni was called to perform in her MILES OF AISLES album). > > Everything that I have that is live gets played on it's > > anniversary date, or once a year. That keeps me pretty busy and leaves > > little time for the studio stuff, which I store alphabetically by > > artist, and chronologically within each arrtist. I then work my way > > through the alphabet, moving chronologically through each artist. Wow, I am impressed with this system. > > Next up (someday) is Springsteen's Born In The USA. Oh boy. Unlike Joseph, > > I > > like to hear how each artist progresses throuh the years from debut to > > latest. It ends up taking me about three years to get comletely round. This is one thing I don't so because I usually want a sample of an artist's music in various points of his/her career. My friend sequences everything from the debut album to the latest. The funny thing is, she cannot finish Anita Baker because she doesn't have Baker's COMPOSITIONS album and she has to postpone listening to Baker's RHYTHM OF LIFE album in the process, the same way she lacks Tracy Chapman's MATTERS OF THE HEART album, hence her refusal to listen to NEW BEGINNING even if she had the album for 3 weeks already. While on the subject of artists, can anyone assist me trawl through Joan Armatrading's albums? I only have her WHAT'S NEW album. If you have all her albums, a star rating for each record will be appreciated. If there is a mini-review, I would be deliriously happy. ;-) Joseph np: Shirley Horn "Wouldn't it Be Loverly?" (I Love you, Paris) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:07:52 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Dawson's Creek It was totally worth the 55 minutes of sap to hear 30 seconds of the new music. For those unable to view, they played the last verse of "Both Sides Now", (without annoying dialogue over it! I don't believe it!) the orchestra rich and meloncholy/majestic, her master's voice smoky and expressive. I was speechless and enthralled, and can't wait 'til VDay arrives. RR ps did anyone notice that in the following commercial break, they advertised the new movie "Down To You". I'm sure it has NJC, but it qualifies as minor trivia that there is a major motion picture with the same name as one of Joni's songs from her most popular album. pps I was looking forward to an auto'd copy of BSN, but on reflection I'm glad she doesn't have to sign 15K of them. I mean, what if we gave her carpel tunnel or arthritis? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:07:47 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Dawson's Creek How sweet Joni's new editon of Both Sides Now is! So lush the orchestration! I'm in love again. I want to play both versions of this gorgeous song back to back, again and again. I caught that "Down to You" movie promo hard on the heels of Creeks closing credits, too. Clever marketing to be sure. Two words: Cross promotion. We'll see plenty more of this going forward when this AOL/Warner merger kicks in. Still can't believe that Joni's label and my ISP are soon to be one and the same media conglomerate. Bizarre. Can't wait for my BSN box. Siquomb by far. - -Julius In a message dated 1/19/00 10:41:25 PM Central Standard Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << It was totally worth the 55 minutes of sap to hear 30 seconds of the new music. For those unable to view, they played the last verse of "Both Sides Now", (without annoying dialogue over it! I don't believe it!) the orchestra rich and meloncholy/majestic, her master's voice smoky and expressive. I was speechless and enthralled, and can't wait 'til VDay arrives. RR ps did anyone notice that in the following commercial break, they advertised the new movie "Down To You". I'm sure it has NJC, but it qualifies as minor trivia that there is a major motion picture with the same name as one of Joni's songs from her most popular album. pps I was looking forward to an auto'd copy of BSN, but on reflection I'm glad she doesn't have to sign 15K of them. I mean, what if we gave her carpel tunnel or arthritis? >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:58:55 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Sequence of Albums (NJC) > I'm quite anally-inclined myself (don't go there, Colin!), Jason-you are quite safe, I can assure you of that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:38:09 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: "American Beauty" Did anyone see "American Beauty"?I thought it was excellent,and the best movie I have seen in years.I've been thinking that songs from HOSL would have sounded GREAT as a soundtrack to that movie.Harry's House/centerpiece,for instance. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:55:24 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Mingus In a message dated 1/19/2000 6:57:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, sp@olympus.net writes: << oni's chosen path of always following her muse, damn the recording companies' bottom lines. "Mingus" gives us a glimpse of *two* uncompromising geniuses and helps to convince me that even after we're dead and buried, perhaps we have done some things well enough along the way to be remembered by those left behind. Scott >> You know this lp is probably the one I have listened to the least. When it first came out and I was about 16 years old so I was not crazy about jazz at the time. Over the years I have gotten really into certain styles of jazz fusion ie Pat Metheny, The Rippingtons, Spro-Gyro. But I never put that Joni Mingus record back on. I even bought the CD. (Have to have everything JONI!!) From listening to it these last few months I have really come to appreciate Joni's Mingus so much more. She ireally is a greaat jazz singer and now when I want to listen to a woman sing jazz I can turn to Joni. It really is impressive. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this matter. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:26:54 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: BSN on Dawson's Creek Oh, oh, my, my, I can't wait till February 8th!!! The show sure sucked but Joni's new Both Sides Now certainly shined! While waiting for BSN to play I burned another Joni CD. I call it The Blest Of Joni Mitchell (the third in a series following The Crest Of Joni Mitchell & The Quest Of Joni Mitchell). Here's the playlist: Urge For Going The Dawntreader I Don't Know Where I Stand Conversation All I Want Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire Court & Spark Jericho (Live) Sweet Bird A Strange Boy Otis & Marlena The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey Moon At The Window Shiny Toys The Reoccurring Dream Turbulent Indigo Face Lift Looking forward to how she interprets A Case Of You.... E.T. NP: The Blest Of Joni Mitchell __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:43:21 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: The Blest of Joni Mitchell NJC I accidentally left out two songs* in my last post about the CD I burned tonight. I'm adding NJC because I'm still a little confused about what constitutes Joni content.... Urge For Going The Dawntreader I Don't Know Where I Stand Conversation All I Want Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire Court & Spark Jericho (Live) Sweet Bird A Strange Boy Otis & Marlena The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey *Furry Sings The Blues (Live) Moon At The Window Shiny Toys The Reoccurring Dream *Cherokee Louise Turbulent Indigo Face Lift Can anyone pick out the distinguishing theme of this list? E.T. __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #34 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?