From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #33 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 19 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 033 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Reprise site - JackMack1 mail [MP123A321@aol.com] Re: Request/Explanation/Enquiry/S&L ["Alan Lorimer" ] Sequence of Albums (NJC) [Joseph Palis ] An evening with Don Alias (SJC) ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? [catman ] JMDL Studios ... it could happen! [Don Rowe ] RE: JMDL Studios ... it could happen! [Louis Lynch ] RE: JMDL Studios ... it could happen! (NJC now) [Don Rowe ] Re: JMDL Studios ... it could happen! [Don Rowe ] Re: Reprise site - JackMack1 mail (NJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Autograph hounds ;-) (NJC) [Don Rowe ] BSN and Sir George [Martin Giles ] single-disc S&L [Martin Giles ] UK jonifest recordings (NJC?) [Martin Giles ] Re: BSN and Sir George ["Kakki" ] Re: Request/Explanation/Enquiry/S&L [Jason Maloney ] Re: Request/Explanation/Enquiry/S&L [Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Request/Explanation/Enquiry/S&L Jason wrote: >Finally, and here's the *true* Joni Content, I picked up the single-disc >version of Shadows & Light in Tower Records at the weekend, in one >of those mid-price multibuy offers. I expect the double-disc edition is >considered to be the one of greater worth, but I would be interested to >know what any of you consider to be the down-side (or maybe even >upside, who knows?) of the "shortened" version. I've just received the double-disc edition of Shadows & Light from CDNow after just ordering the standard version. The advantages of this version are: 1. You get three additional tracks including "Black Crow" and "Free Man In Paris". 2. The new version is a HDCD 3. The real advantage is that the new version has been digitally remastered. I can't comment on the old version of this album, but the sound quality on this version is excellent. Amazon lists this CD as being a double disc version for $US13.99. Both Barnes & Noble and CDNow list this CD as being a single disc version for $US12.99. What I suspect is happening is that only the double disc version is being produced in the US and distributors just haven't been informed of this change seeing as I received the double disc version from CDNow. Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:15:57 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Mingus I may be categorized as one of those people who play music loud when I am alone because it makes me feel that someone's with me. I usually do some minor carpentry, fix leaking faucets and do really manual labor while listening. The other day, I was playing Joni's MINGUS and it just occurred to me that of all Joni albums, this one always make me stop and listen to the way she phrased the lyrics. I can't understand this myself. I must have been doing this ever since I bought this album but it was only the other day that I realized that I usually make an excuse to stop working and listen to it. I guess the way the songs are arranged and the spare use of instruments and the incredible ways Joni's voice seems to (there's no other word that comes closest) caress each musical sieve that the nuances are readily experienced and appreciated. Lots of friends I know in Manila who are Joni fans don't like MINGUS, but it is the album that seems to make me calm when I am agitated. I remembered Bridget Fonda's character in "Point of No Return" where she listened to Nina Simone to calm her. I seem to gravitate towards MINGUS when I am troubled. It seems that I always am excited whenever I realize that I am to listen to MINGUS next. Then when I play it, I am an animal tamed. Is this normal? Am I normal? Haha! Joseph np: Keith Jarrett: "Blame It On My Youth" in THE CURE (with Jack Dejohnette and Gary Peacock) -- the only album I rank along with Miles Davis' KIND OF BLUE album for sheer beauty. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:31:16 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Sequence of Albums (NJC) I was boasting to friends I have 600+ CDs at home until three of them told me they have more than that! I was embarrassed, but they forgave me anyway (so I still boast to other people about it...;-). One of the things I noticed is that unlike most of my friends, I sequence my albums in such a way that if I have 6 CDs from, say Milton Nascimento and I have 600 albums total, I will make sure that I have to listen to 100 albums first before I listen to the next Nascimento record. My friends told me I am obsessive compulsive (OC) because according to them it takes real appreciation. I disagree because I am contented with the record I listen if it is already the record's turn to be played (evil grin). They jokingly told me to see a doctor because I may be one of those psychotic people with everything neat and tidy but with an untidy mind. But why is it that my table and my bed are always a shambles? Joseph np: Michael Tomlinson's "Sunlight" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 04:37:33 PST From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: An evening with Don Alias (SJC) The Don Alias and friends' show has been in London on the 17 Jan and I've been lucky enough to be there. I'll attempt to write a short review of the evening although my technical knowledge of music is shamefully low. Rather than a review what follows are just some snapshots from the show. A few polaroids. At first I was surprised that Don Alias was doing a show as frontman, and was even more surprised (positively) reading who the friends were: Michael Brecker, Randy Brecker, Alex Acuna among others. As Jamie said, it looked like a Joni line-up without Joni. The show has been stunning. I was impressed by the energy the man has (the show is also a celebration of Don's 60th birthday). The show featured four percussionists (playing and banging on whatever they could - their seats, their legs, chest and cheeks!), saxophone, trumpet, bass, electric guitar, and keyboards. The complete line-up: Don Alias - drums/percussion Alex Acuna - drums/percussion Giovanni Hidalgo - percussion Steve Berrios - percussion Carlos Benavent - bass Mitch Stein - guitar Gil Goldstein - piano and keyboards Michael Brecker - saxophone Randy Brecker - trumpet A few South-American and Latin tunes. Jazz moods and improvisation bits. Don Alias on all kinds of different drums and weird percussion. An hypnotising carpet of rhythms coming from the percussion section, while hints of melodies were embroidered by the Brecker Brothers. Bass as Jaco Pastorious would have played. A two-hour long gig that was like stretching "The Tenth World" to its limits. It was as at any point Joni would have come up the stage to complete the picture - you know, "Dah! Dah! Dah-dah-dah! It's a long long way from Canada …" And then towards the end of the show, Don Alias is introducing the musicians and coming to Michael Brecker he says something along the line "I know Michael from a long time and we've played so many gigs together. The first being with Joni Mitchell.." Amazing to think of these people and the role they have played in contemporary music and, more than anything else, the magic they have brought into Joni's music. Of course the first thing that I've done the next morning is to listen again with new ears to the Shadows and Light album, especially the sound of the drums on Don's solo and Dreamland. A very happy evening, exceptional music and a miraculous/virtual step into Joni's world. If the show is coming to your town, get the tickets! I apologise for the non-review style of this mail. I know that I won't never apply for a post of magazine reviewer! My best, Raffaele in London. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:13:35 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Reprise site - JackMack1 mail (NJC) Maurice wrote: << For those that entered the contest on the Reprise site, Jack Mack1 is opening the mail. Mine was sent 1/14.......read (at least opened) on 1/19. Maurice >> Well I'll be darned, I see that JackMack1 read or opened my mail today too!!! I'm sorry about all those mean things I said about you JackMack, please forgive me and let me win the contest, please , please..... Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:51:26 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Cry Cry Cry (was request for a favor) NJC Beverly wrote: > My favorite tribute performance is Beth Nielson > Chapman's rendition of "Since You've Asked," originally recorded, I believe, > by Judy Collins. What a gorgeous voice Chapman has. One of my favorite songs. I've sung it at many a wedding. It was also written by Judy Collins. And, yes, Beth has a gorgeous voice, and a fine song writer, also. I'm getting this one right away. Hey Alan, keep those coupons coming! Jerry np: Diana Krall: When I look Into Your Eyes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:50:34 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? In a message dated 1/18/2000 10:41:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: <> Everyone is capable of this kind of behavior, artist or non-artist. Musician or non-musician. I'm not saying it's a limited view; I'm saying that everyone on this earth has innate aggressive tendencies. Why does being an artist allow for one to act out one's anger/aggression more than a non-artist? At any rate, I concur that without knowing the details, it is unfair to judge her actions. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:58:35 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: Violent/Non-Violent Irony (NJC) i've been enjoying reading all the posts to this thread because they seem to address such a vital conundrum inherent to our list...how to place gray areas and boundaries between the artist and the person...or whether we do that instinctively or not or what when i teach my college students writing we call this the "mike tyson" problem: as in, if you are a scholar and connoisseur and rabid diehard boxing fan who has appreciated tyson's fighting style, what do you do about "rooting" for him now -- after the rape conviction, after the holyfield dirty fight -- can you separate the person from what he does? probably in tyson's case, not easily. and GRANTED, this analogy is NOT meant to compare joni's kicking of her maid to the actions of a convicted felon... what i mean is, in all art we are called on at times to question our appreciation for the work in the face of personal and life choices we might disapprove of, or even abhor...i'm thinking of T.S. Eliot's anti-semitism, or Herman Melville's physical and emotional mistreating of his wife and children. in terms of joni kicking her maid...my own feelings are dismay at the story, understanding that of course she has human anger and responses, but also...a bit of disgust at the class disparity -- i don't know, i grew up in a well-off neighborhood and hated seeing how most people treated the non-Americans who did service or domestic work for very little money...reading that joni "felt like a prisoner in her own home" doesn't really cut it for me personally. but i can imagine that joni herself must have been sorry about this outburst and mortified at how it portrays her... these are my first thoughts -- just tossing them in -- - -- emily NP: Joni, "Otis and Marlena" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:05:05 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/18/2000 7:11:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, > netgirl@ctos.com writes: > > << But I'm surprised that so many folks here would not only excuse her > behavior, but would go so far as to invent reasons for it. >> > > I was hoping that I wasn't the only one who felt like this! The only post I saw that 'made an excuse' was Michaels and I took that to be tongue in cheek, with the Mayan custom etc.What Joni did was of course wrong, but hardly terrible and she is human after all. Imagine if any of us had our misdeeds published and talked about like this! God, it would go on forever or am I wrong to think that the rest of you are like me and not perfect? Good for you regarding the old bag in the restaurant. How dare she?! Speaking personally, just before I left Londond, I was rushed at by a 'woman' brandishing something in her hand. This was dutring another evening of harrassment. As she got close to me, I put both my hands up in front of me to prevent this person getting on top of me. She went flying backwards, fortunately just missing hitting her head on a wall. I felt terrible, really bad, it still makes my stomach turn thinking about it. It turns out the woman was a teenager. I was terrified by my own strength. Mind you teen or not, the screwdriver in her hand would still have damaged me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:36:54 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Violent/Non-Violent Irony (NJC) > > > when i teach my college students writing we call this the > "mike tyson" problem: as in, if you are a scholar and > connoisseur and rabid diehard boxing fan who has appreciated > tyson's fighting style, what do you do about "rooting" for > him now -- after the rape conviction, after the holyfield > dirty fight -- can you separate the person from what he does? > probably in tyson's case, not easily. There is a big hulabaloo going on here right now over the Home Secretary's decision to allow Tyson into the UK to fight, even though anyone who has been convicted of a crime which warrants 12 or more mths in prison, is barred from entering this country. It seems money always wins in the end.Personally, I don't feel tyson should have been allowed entry. One becuase of the message it sends out that what he did was 'not that 'bad'.Two, because I don't feel he ought to be encouraged in his fighting, as he has shown again and again that he has limmited abilty to control himself both in the ring and in life. I think with all his money, he coould concentrate on finding a really good therapist and work on his issues. I find it astonishing that boxing still takes place in the 21st century! > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:02:15 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC Babies/Catherine >Sorry but I lost the post you wrote Catherine about child rearing and >the 'nanny' thing. I've lost it too - in more ways than one! >It would seem that in this case my feeling is not >correct. I can clearly see why a mother would need help and how it >doesn't detract from the mother/child relationship. I know i would >make a >lousy parent(I am one biologically but that is a whole other >story). >Firstly, the poor baby would never be able to sleep cos I'd keeping >poking it to make sure it was still breathing. I'd never let it out >of my >sight and at 18 they would have to be in by 6pm! No >boyfriends, no >girlfriends, no trips on their ownsome. Must hold my >hand when in public, >especially in crowds, no matter how old they >are. I'd be a nightmare. Off >to the dr everytime they coughed or >sneezed or looked peaky. Actually, you sound exactly like me! Especially with the first kid - we were always taking her down to the Hospital for Sick Kids emerg every time she developed a cough or whatever. When Kid #2 came along, it was more like, "Oh well, let's wait a while and if he stops breathing, we'll deal with it then." Not quite, but I'm sure you get the picture. If I had had a 3rd kid, it would probably be raising itself! I don't think anyone should even be allowed to DATE until they're at least 30! >So although my gut reaction to melissa having a nanny for her baby, >my >conclusions were obviously wrong. >Don't go near that baby! Don't breath on it! What's in that bottle? >Dpn't hold it like that! I really would have a hard time letting someone feed my baby - especially since I was breast-feeding! But seriously though, it's really hard especially with your first kid. In fact, IF you've been raising them for the first bit totally on your own, I think it makes it harder to trust them to anyone else - like, who else could possibly do it right? My kids were in group daycare when they were about 6 months old (a bit earlier with my daughter since we only had 17 weeks maternity leave a the time, which was later extended to 6 months and I understand it will soon be a whole year(!) (here in Canada anyway.) I was totally convinced my daughter would never adapt to a bottle and in fact, we had some difficulty with it before she finally accepted it - but I think the kid can sense your reluctance. By the time Matthew came along, he'd drink out of anything - jeez, what a pig - to this very day, I've never seen a kid consume as much milk and sweet foods as quickly as he can do! I never had an actual one-on-one nanny, although the ratios of caregivers to infants here is by law 1:2.5 (I guess Solomon must have been involved in working that one out) and our daycare actually went 1 caregiver to 2 infants so it ended up being kind of like having a nanny and twins (by different mothers). I didn't trust anyone enough and had heard too many horror stories. Unfortunately many people want Mary Poppins (the disneyfied one, not the one from the books!) but they want to pay her less than minimum wage and make her live in the basement, so it's no wonder they sometimes end up with baaaad nannies. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:33:10 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: JMDL Studios ... it could happen! Okay, so this delicious bit about Joni selling her home studio has got me to thinking -- we're over 600 strong, right? I'll bet we could gin up enough cash to score her gear -- at an extra-special "internet community" discount, of course. Then we open our own recording studio -- and put out a REAL tribute album. There's just one catch -- the gear will have to be installed in my house ... I assume no one would object, naturally, since I'm the producer. ;-) Larry Klein ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:47:51 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: JMDL Studios ... it could happen! By the time we got to Don Rowe's house, we were all of six hundred strong And everywhere there was a song, a Joni celebration And we stepped up to the microphone and played so loud and long To add our voices to a tribute album that would shake the nation We are stardust, we are golden But how are we going to cut over 4,200 hours of recorded material by the JMDL into a single tribute CD without hurting anybody's feelings and still make it as fresh and original as David Lahm's jazz recording, and then there's that lawsuit we would all have to deal with because the REAL Larry Klein was furious because Don Rowe kept using his name in vain, and by the time it was all over, the Carly Simon list would beat us to the draw with their tribute album and make us look like a bunch of also-rans... Harper Lou (still not smoking) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:53:31 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: BSN Dawson's Creek NJC Dave quotes me as >Catherine from Tornoto Tornoto? Where or what the heck is that? ;) said: > > >OK, fine, whatever, but I hardly see the > >typical Dawson's Creek watcher as likely > >to be a Joni fan. And Dave responded: >A certain few kids watching will hear BSN for the first time and >immediately identify with the lyrics, and seek out more, and benefit >greatly, thanks to this placement. Look how many of us first identified >with her lyrics, as teenagers. Yeah, but we were DIFFERENT! :D I guess I'm using my own kid as a measure of that and, at 12, she may be just a tad too young. Still into BackStreet Boys, S Club 7, and all that. Joni (then or now) probably has a more serious-kid/university student type of following. I fear that Sarah, 'tho I love her dearly, is more likely to be a beauty-school dropout. (kids these days, honest ta God!) >BTW, whatever ever happened to our own version of the >show...Griffin's >Creek? That was a good one that had me hooked into >each new episode. Dave, is/was there such a show, or are you joking? Are you Canadian, by any chance? I thought Dawson's Creek was a town in Alberta or the Yukon - on that basis, I thought the TV show WAS Canadian, which shows you how much I pay attention in class! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:15:29 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: RE: JMDL Studios ... it could happen! (NJC now) This is a riot! You know, if the harp thing doesn't pan out -- you should take this new-found non-smoking sarcasm act on the road!! ;-) Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:22:47 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: New England Jonifest video I am on a roll! I am ready to start editing the Jonifest video from the New England Labor Day Jonifest 1999! (Please don't get too excited yet - this is a big project, and will take a while.) What I need to know as soon as possible: If anyone was at this Fest and DOES NOT want to be on the videotape, please let me know. Obviously, it may be hard to take out someone from a group shot, but I will do my best to edit out anyone who does not want their "mug" on the video. If you were a performer at the Fest: Please let me know either if there is a specific song of yours you DO want on the video, OR if there is a specific song/songs you DO NOT want on the video. I am editing almost 6 hours of videotape down to 2, so this will take a while. If you trust my judgment, and are willing to let me make these decisions, then you don't need to contact me. Otherwise, please e-mail me soon! Thanks. Sorry it's taken so long to get around to this. Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:24:05 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? Kate in Colorado says: >Although I, like most JMDLers, have heard the sketchy stories about >Joni's falling-out with her housekeeper, I must respectfully disagree >with my outspoken brethren here. [...] >I have read that she >said she felt under seige in her own home and was fed up with feeling >so. Kate, like you, I know very little about this incident. My initial response to a person's feeling "under siege in her own own home" is, why the heck didn't she just fire her? However, having been in situations where I've felt an employee wasn't working out and wanting to fire them, I realize that for many people, this isn't an easy thing to do. My guilt complex makes me think that, if an employee isn't working out, it must be because I wasn't managing them properly, and so I want to give them another chance. Then too, I feel guilty about the possibility of depriving them of a paycheque - maybe they've got a family to feed and so on. So, you end up talking to them about it. Sometimes they understand what you're saying and they improve, so you don't need to let them go. More often though, they just don't get it, and ultimately you do end up firing them and then wondering why you didn't just do it earlier. Often, you still feel guilty about it but it's only when it's over that you realize just how bad the situation really was. Likewise with bad relationships/marriages. So I can understand how a person, feeling a combination of frustration over the fact they've got this poor employee, along with guilt and self-blame over its not working out, and then trying to repress that guilt, might ultimately erupt into a kicking match. Convoluted yes, but very human. >Given what details we know, what seems likely to me is that Joni >simply got angry and momentarily lost control, and she lashed out >physically at her housekeeper. >For myself, I don't find it justifiable for one person to strike >another under any circumstances other than that of actual self >defense, >defined as imminent danger to one's person. My opinion is >that Joni >fucked up, she paid for it (at least) through the courts, >and she moved >on. [...] I trust it's an episode she regrets. I agree - it's understandable, but not excusable, and apparently she does regret it. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:57:07 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? Terry said: >The only other thing that would make me strike out, would be if >someone >tried to harm my children. >Not too long ago, we took our kids out to a family restaurant, which >is >also frequented by many older folks. My youngest, who is >extremely >hyperactive, was carrying on at our table. >An older couple passed behind her, and the wife took her hand and >shoved >my daughter in the chest, exclaiming you awful she was >behaving. You exercised remarkable self-control. Just reading this made me want to deck someone. How dare this person touch your child in this way! >But I put my face in hers and yelled that she never ever touch my >child again, or I would call the chief of police. I hope you yelled good and loud so that everyone heard it and I hope the nosy old bat learned a good lesson from it. I was thinking about the painting-the-piano thing. (Why would someone decide just to paint the piano to begin with? How odd!) Again, it doesn't excuse the behaviour, but maybe Joni viewed the piano as a sort of "child" (?) Artists get awfully possessive about their art-making things. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:01:32 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: FREE CD of your choice Here's how to get a FREE CD OF YOUR CHOICE! 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Terry said: >the only other thing that would make me strike out, would be if >someone >tried to harm my children. Bob responded: >Boy, i can relate to that one Terry...I was on a field trip when >mine was >in the third grade, and while he was drinking from the >water fountain, >another kid came up to him and yanked him away from >the fountain. The >parental instinct kicked in, and before I knew it >I had the kid by the >collar of his jacket pinned to the wall and I >was in his face big-time. >Kind of scary, but >I think it's just nature at work that we defend our young. I've done similar things myself. I'm so glad I've actually been able to think a little bit before lashing out, because the thought of me actually hauling off and belting someone else's kid scares me too. My Dad tells the story of how, when I was a baby and we were living in Montreal, he had me out for a walk in my carriage. For no apparent reason, a neighbour's kid came and smacked me over the head with a board (which could explain a few things.) Dad says he belted the kid one, then after he got home, realized he shouldn't have done that and prayed like crazy the other kid's parents wouldn't sue. There have been times when I've felt my kids were being threatened that I think I actually would have bitten someone if they touched the kid! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:18:57 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? Good point about the piano, Catherine. We musicians tend to think of our instruments as extensions of ourselves, just as our children are extensions of ourselves. Reading the posts about Joni kicking her maid, I really did not have a strong opinion about the situation. It was just something that happened between two people. But, when you put it that way, Catherine, I can relate. If someone painted my piano green without my permission, I would be mad enough to start kicking! I don't hesitate to start ranting if someone shows disrespectful behavior toward any of my pianos or harps. I'm protective of my musical associates' instruments as well. So, I definitely can't promise that painting my piano green would NOT send me over the edge. Thanks for the perspective, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:22:38 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Autograph hounds ;-) (NJC) Penny reminisced: >When I had the luck of meeting Joni, she made it obvious she had a >pen in >her hand, as to invite the request for a signature. Haha, >she even seemed >like it was a very fair exchange for the beer I gave >her. ;-) Ha! Maybe she was just dying for a cold brew! Penny, I've got a deal for you. Buy me a beer and I'll give you my autograph! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:49:22 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: JMDL Studios ... it could happen! Marion wonders: > Alright, sounds like an idea, but, may I ask...how > will all of the about 599 > of us bennefit from this purchase? I want more > details...:) > Marion > Well, you get to travel to exotic locations ... St. Louis, MO, USA ... in this case, to assist in the recording of the Tribute-Mega-Ultra-Box Set -- certainly a benefit. You get an 8-1/2 X 11" color glossy photograph of yourself singing at Joni's mic -- suitable for framing. And the satisfaction of knowing that Joni's equipment will never be used to record demo tracks for Christina Aguilliera's follow-up disc - -- surely a bargain at any price. Don Rowe ;-) ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:49:15 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Reprise site - JackMack1 mail (NJC) >Maurice wrote: > ><< For those that entered the contest on the Reprise site, Jack Mack1 is > opening the mail. Mine was sent 1/14.......read (at least opened) on >1/19. > Maurice >> > >Well I'll be darned, I see that JackMack1 read or opened my mail today >too!!! I'm sorry about all those mean things I said about you JackMack, >please forgive me and let me win the contest, please , please..... Poor Jack has probably been busting his/her buns trying to catch up on emails! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:56:48 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Happy Birthday MG (njc) Hi gang, Just wanted to take this opportunity to wish a very happy birthday (no, I'm not gonna spill the beans and say how many, exactly) to someone very special. Didn't you know that it is in your honor that WB (Joni's label, gee, what a coincidence) is bringing us the world premiere of the newest version of Both Sides Now, by her Siquombness, herself? Happy happy birthday, Mary Grace. Brian np: You've Got A Friend (JT with Joni on backing vocals) ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:58:26 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Autograph hounds ;-) (NJC) > Penny reminisced: > >When I had the luck of meeting Joni, she made it > obvious she had a >pen in > >her hand, as to invite the request for a signature. > Haha, >she even seemed > >like it was a very fair exchange for the beer I > gave >her. ;-) TO which Catherine replies: > Ha! Maybe she was just dying for a cold brew! Penny, > I've got a deal for > you. Buy me a beer and I'll give you my autograph! > I usually don't write "me too" posts ... but in this case -- me too! (what the heck, it's slow) ;-) Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:02:20 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: BSN and Sir George I think that some or all of the orchestral recording for the album was done at Air Lyndhurst (in West Hampstead, London) which is owned by Sir George Martin. But I doubt also that he was involved in the sessions. atb, Martin. In London > Since Martin announced his retirement from the biz last > year, and since the press release said only that BSN was > recorded at a studio he owns, my guess is that he wasn't > involved. Tho I would like to be wrong.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:15:31 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: single-disc S&L Jason asked.. > I picked up the single-disc > version of Shadows & Light in Tower Records at the weekend, in one of > those mid-price multibuy offers. I expect the double-disc edition is > considered to be the one of greater worth, but I would be interested to > know what any of you consider to be the down-side (or maybe even upside, > who knows?) of the "shortened" version. The single-disc version of the album doesn't have Free Man In Paris on it, which for me is definitely a highlight. I can't remember, but there may be something else missing too. Also the double-disc version is remastered with HDCD encoding - and it does sound slightly better to my ears. atb, Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:16:44 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: UK jonifest recordings (NJC?) Hi everyone. Jason asked... > what's the situation regarding the photos > and recordings of the evening? When will we get to see and hear them? Just to let you know that the Cellar Tapes, or whatever they're going to be called are resident in my editor at work at the moment. My DAT recorder evidently had a fit during the proceedings and I ended up with evrything bar three titles. Chris Marshall was also recording and will be sending me the missing titles as soon as his busy schedule allows. Then I can finish the editing, and make up a master or three for tree purposes. I don't have the facilities to do any artwork, so perhaps someone could step up to the plate for that? Chris had a digital camera, and got quite a few photos, and I think Azeen was taking pictures too that night. atb, Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:41:15 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: BSN and Sir George Martin wrote: > I think that some or all of the orchestral recording for the >album was done at Air Lyndhurst (in West Hampstead, London) which is owned by Sir George Martin. But I doubt also that he was involved in the sessions. When I wrote the other day about the sound of BSN being so good having to do with Sir George's involvement, I meant it from a technical standpoint - he's always been noted for incredible sound in the projects he's been involved with. Because of his reputation I thought that Joni's use of the studio that bears his name, with or without his actual presence, would add to the fine production values in the recording. I don't have any liner note information for the new album but one of the sellers of the BSN promo on eBay is advertising that Sir George conducted the orchestra. Have no clue whether that is true or not. It would be nice if we learned he came out of retirement to help Joni out, though. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:48:10 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Request/Explanation/Enquiry/S&L A big "Thank You" to everyone who swiftly came to my rescue regarding my Jonifest e-mails. In future, I won't delete my own copies of mail that I send to the JMDL, even if I have a second copy in my sent folder as a result. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:44:25 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Request/Explanation/Enquiry/S&L NJC Chris Marshall wrote: > It's entirely possible that Virgin are culpable too, if they didn't > implement "best practise" to keep themselves protected from crackers > (as we prefer to call them). > > There are still too few companies that realise that spending money > up front on security is actually better than losing major customer > confidence later on when they get clobbered by the guys in black > hats... The virgin.net "customer service" (a violation of the Trade Descriptions act, surely) is frankly appalling. At no time did they inform me of what was happening. I only found out from someone else what had happened. Their helpline was jammed for 2 days, and when I went to their Homepage, it said that all affected subscribers would be immdeiately notified by Royal mail. Nothing ever arrived. When I eventually DID get through to the helpline, they denied the breach of security regarding private e-mail accounts could have caused any problems with my mail program. The combined cost of three separate calls was £30. Worst of all, their incompetence lost my entire sent folder. You can be sure I won't stay with virgin.net for much longer.... Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:38:36 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Sequence of Albums (NJC) Hi Joseph, Joseph Palis wrote: > One of the things I noticed is that unlike most of my friends, I sequence > my albums in such a way that if I have 6 CDs from, say Milton Nascimento > and I have 600 albums total, I will make sure that I have to listen to 100 > albums first before I listen to the next Nascimento record. This sounds like a remarkable practice. I suppose if you store your CDs in a way that (using your example) each Milton Nascimento album is sandwiched between 100 other CDs, it's easy to keep track, but I couldn't imagine having to wait a given amount of time before I could listen to a particular album again! I'm quite anally-inclined myself (don't go there, Colin!), but that would be beyond me ;-) I have my own odd little habits with regard to what I play, when I play it, where I play it, and how often and I play it...but I've never come across your particular preferences :-) I have recently reverted to racking my collection in chronological order, based on the album's year of origin. The alphabetical method which I tried for a while wasn't really working for me. It means most of my Jonis are now separated, but my brain seems to find it easier to recall a year rather than an artist when I want to listen to something. > My friends told me I am obsessive compulsive (OC) because according to them > it takes real appreciation. I disagree because I am contented with the > record I > listen if it is already the record's turn to be played (evil grin). I can see some logic in it, from the point of view that each album in your collection gets equal treatment, if you like, which certainly doesn't happen with me. At least, as you say, you're giving each album a great deal of attention and gaining a significant amount of pleasure from it in return. I do that too, in a slightly different way. I tend to rotate a very small %age of my 2000+ CD collection, which I know smacks of laziness, but life's too short, y'know I put a lot of thought and consideration into every choice I make when thinking what to listen to. Often I have about a dozen CDs that I want to play every day, yet I have developed my gut-instincts enough to eventually pick one out. I tried "dip dip dip, my little ship, sailing on the water like a cup and saucer..O U T spells out!", but I never wanted the one I finished with at the end ;-) > They jokingly told me to see a doctor because I may be one of those > psychotic > people with everything neat and tidy but with an untidy mind. But why is > it that my table and my bed are always a shambles? Anyone entering my room would be amazed that someone who keeps his inventory of CDs and videos/DVDs so precise, could have everything around me in such a mess. If I see an avaliable surface, however small, I pile something on it ;-) Yours compulsively, Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:02:36 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Request/Explanation/Enquiry/S&L G'day Alan :-) Alan Lorimer wrote: > I've just received the double-disc edition of Shadows & Light from CDNow > after just ordering the standard version. The advantages of this version > are: > > 1. You get three additional tracks including "Black Crow" and "Free Man In > Paris". > 2. The new version is a HDCD > 3. The real advantage is that the new version has been digitally remastered. > I can't comment on the old version of this album, but the sound quality on > this version is excellent. > > Amazon lists this CD as being a double disc version for $US13.99. > Both Barnes & Noble and CDNow list this CD as being a single disc version > for $US12.99. > > What I suspect is happening is that only the double disc version is being > produced in the US and distributors just haven't been informed of this > change seeing as I received the double disc version from CDNow. I'm not really a huge fan of Live albums, and I had expected MoA and S&L to always be the *gaps* on my Joni collection. I'm not even sure I'd have bought it on its own, but you know how these multi-buy offers are...you have three CDs in your hands, and you're looking for a fourth..and...ooh, there's S&L! The Tower store I go to (Kingston-Upon-Thames in England) isn't really a "proper" one...it used to be a fully-fledged Tower Records, then closed down......before strangely re-opening as an almost makeshift enterprise. Originally, I believe the plan was to only open again for a short period, during which time it would serve only as a "clearance sale-oriented" store. Even the Tower Records hoarding and accompanying decoration were taken down, although they have since been reinstated. It isn't listed among the UK's official Tower stores, and is technically called a Tower Outlet. All very odd, but they do have a fairly decent range of chart and back-catalogue titles permanently at £11.99 or 2 for £22. Yes, that's all the year round. They also have a continual mid-price offer, with a lot of more mature-oriented artists' catalogue at cheaper-than-usual prices. It's where I got Mingus and FTR last year, in fact. So, S&L made up the requisite 4 Cds for the offer, and although it's probably not as good or definitive as the 2CD version (and an HDCD edition must be wonderful) it's quite nice to have something by Joni that I wouldn't have normally considered buying. The double-disc version sells for something like £18.99 in the UK, the few times I have seen it. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:09:16 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Autograph hounds ;-) (NJC)somewhat long Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:52:36 -0600 From: Scott and Jody Jimmy wrote: > The signed photos aren't that special to me, and > that's due to the fact that the "celebrity" wasn't someone "special". Since > I do hold Joni as someone very very special, an autograph from her would > make me one hell of a happy guy. > As usual, I'm behind but I wanted to make a comment about autographs. I think alot depends on how you aquire that autograph. Not too long ago, I was informed that Andy Partridge from 'XTC' was going to be signing at Borders in Chicago. Being a big XTC fan, I flew over there after work, unaware that the line I was about to stand in was three hours deep. I was lucky in that, the 6 or 7 folks I was standing with, were also big fans and very personable. We shared many stories about XTC. It was like meeting 7 Joni fans whom you've never met before and each telling a tale or two. I immediately felt very close to these people. I learned so much about XTC in the course of those few hours. Andy was so chatty and receptive to his fans. Some brought 4 albums for him to sign. He talked and posed for pictures with each person for at least 5 minutes or more. He was only scheduled to 10:00. but asked Borders if he could stay until he had met everyone, since we had been standing in line for so long. I thought that to be very gracious of him. At 10:00, he could have said, " I'm outta here", but wanted to stay. Right before I met Andy, The Borders police announced that he could only sign ONE thing at this point. "Oh Great", I had told Bob that I would get him an autographed "Apple Venus Vol. I." Only two people away from meeting Andy, the Borders police directly to my left, I was sweating... How am I going to get him to sign both CDs? Oh, I should mention, just prior to meeting Andy, he ran out of ink. He had been using a black marker. Was it Catherine that mentioned "the Black hole" purse? I started to search for a pen in my purse and came up empty. Some guy then handed Andy a Gold marker. Needless to say, Bob and I have 1 and 2 of 1/12 limited edition - GOLD autographs :~) Cool Huh? When I met Andy, I presented two liners - one for me and one for Bob. He signed the first one and ' only being allowed to sign one at that point', we made eye contact and I know he recognized the desperation in my eyes ( I like to think that, but I'm sure he wasn't that concerned about the 'one signing only rule' at that point) On second thought, I know he realized how important it was. He didn't hesitate and signed the CD. As he was writing his final e, I blurted out," Could you write Hey Bob or something"? He just said, "How about just BOB, I like that"? He wrote Bob with a swirl in the O. I had planned to ask him a few questions but all I could say was, " You must be beat! You're probably going to wake up with carpal tunnel syndrome tomorrow!" He actually said thank you to me. He must have been beat, and just thankful that he didn't have to answer another question about his band, although I know he would have! jody NP - Joni - Club 47; Cambridge, MA ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #33 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?