From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #32 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 19 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 032 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: What's that she's playing? [Susan McNamara ] RE: What's that she's playing? [Louis Lynch ] JM Companion ["Alison Einerson" ] Re: Kicks of aggression vs. kicks of affection ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Kicks of aggression vs. kicks of affection [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny] NJC Babies/Catherine [catman ] Re: Request for a favor NJC [Scott Price ] Thanks to the Queen of Freebies (NJC) ["Michael Paz" ] NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? [Kate Tarasenko ] RE: Request/Explanation/Enquiry/S&L NJC [Chris Marshall ] Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Another from Dr. King - NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Autograph hounds ;-) (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? ["Mark or Travis" ] Corrections.(JGC) Joni Guitar Content. Pop quiz, later. [Richard Rice ] Re: Votes untallied on kicks but in on guitars. ["Kakki" ] Re: Siquomb, isn't she? - license plate ideas (NJC) ["Ross, Les" Subject: Re: What's that she's playing? >A thought in my mind while doing morning chores... > Thanks, John, for your thoughts on Joni's guitar playing. Not to be a doomsayer, but even though the VG8 stopped Joni from retiring, another incentive for her to keep playing was the turbulent indigo grammy and her 5 record recording deal with Warner Bros. So she has 1) Hits 2) Misses 3) TTT 4) Both Sides Now and if they consider the Tribute album 5) that means she will have completed her contract. The fact that she is renovating her home studio into a painting studio may lead some to believe that her original intention (before meeting Fred Walecki's amazing machine) to retire to her painting is still a priority for Joni. But as Steven Van Zandt says while imitating Michael Corleone: They keep pulling me back...! I would love to hear her play acoustic guitar again, just for one more album. Sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:38:09 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: What's that she's playing? Sue wrote: > I would love to hear her play acoustic guitar again, just for one more album. Well, Sue, now that my latest harp album is complete, I've been asked to consider producing a CD of English country dances for a Washington folk music group. As of right now, I don't have an acoustic guitarist since my old guitarist is moving to another state. And my stupid little brother is too busy becoming a well-known jazz guitarist in New York, so he can't make the recording sessions. I hear Joni's pretty decent on acoustic guitar, so by all means, tell her to look me up. She comes pretty highly recommended from several people on this list, so I'll give her a shot. If Joni can work around the tight scheduling situation I have with the flute player and cellist, she's in! Tell her to e-mail me privately, and I'll give her my home phone number so we can discuss the pay off-list. Regards, and Happy Birthday to Dr. King! Harper Lou (still not smoking cigarettes and as sarcastic as ever!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:10:05 -0700 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: JM Companion Hello all, Just got my Joni Mitchell Conmpanion in the mail...I am so excited! Thie pictures alone are worth the whole book (especially the one with her and Odetta-what's with the 40's war nurse look?). Thanks Stacy Luftig for your hard work. Anxious to start reading... Alison in SLC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:25:03 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Kicks of aggression vs. kicks of affection >As for the signed CD set, I never understood the appeal of a >signature. >Even when I was a kid, if Jack Kirby wrote his name on my Fantastic >Four >I would have thought he just ruined the cover. Now if she were >signing >blank checks... not that's another story! I'm with you, John - I've never understood the autograph thing either. It's probably the last thing I'd think of asking anyone. If I ever met Joni face-to-face, I'd be too busy drooling all over my shoes like someone recovering from dental surgery, to think of asking her to sign something, and then, I wouldn't have any paper, or a pen or anything on me anyway and then, even if I did, I'd lose the paper somewhere in the black hole that is my purse. It would emerge some 6 months later, crushed and mushed to bits, covered with bits of candy bar and snotty Kleenex bits and all the other assorted goodies that end up in the same black hole. On the other hand, for the right bucks, I could start working on my Joni forgeries and sell them to finance the purchase of my next whatever - that ties in well with the bank robbery theme we discussed earlier. Catherine (in Toronto) aka Mugsy cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:39:30 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: What's that she's playing? Sue said: >Not to be a doomsayer, but even though the VG8 stopped Joni from >retiring, >another incentive for her to keep playing was the >turbulent indigo grammy >and her 5 record recording deal with Warner >Bros. [...] The fact that she >is renovating her >home studio into a painting studio may lead some to believe that her >original intention (before meeting Fred Walecki's amazing machine) to >retire to her painting is still a priority for Joni. That may be so, but how do you get the muse to shut up? Maybe she'll cut back, but stop altogether...? >I would love to hear her play acoustic guitar again, just for one >more >album. Amen to that. The VG8 is an amazing machine and if someone offered to give me one, I wouldn't say no - but IMO there's more soul in an acoustic. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:07:05 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Kicks of aggression vs. kicks of affection Catherine wrote: >>It's probably the last thing I'd think of asking anyone. When I had the luck of meeting Joni, she made it obvious she had a pen in her hand, as to invite the request for a signature. Haha, she even seemed like it was a very fair exchange for the beer I gave her. ;-) <> Haha! Pretty accurate description! Such a mental and emotional rush, it's but a fog now. >>and then, I wouldn't have any paper Luckily, my pal had just given me the set of Jazzfest postcards and had the presence of mind (remember, mine was gone) to stick them in my hand with the currrent year on top. Joni signed right across Louis Armstrong's white jacket so her autograph could be easily seen. Joni seemed very aware that she often has to take of her fans since they're such a mess during the meeting. Lovely, gracious woman. Peace Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:09:09 +0000 From: catman Subject: NJC Babies/Catherine Sorry but I lost the post you wrote Catherine about child rearing and the 'nanny' thing. It would seem that in this case my feeling is not correct. I can clearly see why a mother would need help and how it doesn't detract from the mother/child relationship. I know i would make a lousy parent(I am one biologically but that is a whole other story). Firstly, the poor baby would never be able to sleep cos I'd keeping poking it to make sure it was still breathing. I'd never let it out of my sight and at 18 they would have to be in by 6pm! No boyfriends, no girlfriends, no trips on their ownsome. Must hold my hand when in public, especially in crowds, no matter how old they are. I'd be a nightmare. Off to the dr everytime they coughed or sneezed or looked peaky. So although my gut reaction to melissa having a nanny for her baby, my conclusions were obviously wrong. Don't go near that baby! Don't breath on it! What's in that bottle? Dpn't hold it like that! Yes, poor John can't do anything right when it comes to the dogs//cats! - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:12:09 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Request for a favor NJC At 11:44 AM 1/18/80, Suzanne Simpson wrote: >Could somebody who subscribes to the Wall Street Journal scroll off >yesterday's article on "Cry, Cry, Cry" (Dar Williams, Richard Shindell, >Lucy Kaplansky) and send it to me? Suzanne, and anyone else interested....please e-mail me privately and I'll forward it to you. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:13:24 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Thanks to the Queen of Freebies (NJC) Laura (the Queen of Freebies)- Thanks for the movie info I have won on my first attempt today and will continue playing as movies are damn expensive. Bless you. Michael NP-Black Crow-Day In The Garden CD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:06:58 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Crosby Info (NJC) Warning: High Levels of Sperm Posted on the Lee Shore CSNY List Passed on for a friend. Crosby-Etheridge revelation spices up CSNY reunion By Gary Graff DETROIT (Reuters) - Veteran rocker David Crosby says rehearsals for the upcoming Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young reunion tour got spicier when news broke this week that he was the sperm donor for lesbian singer Melissa Etheridge's two young children. ``Do you think they'd let me get away without hearing about it,'' Crosby, 58, said with a genial laugh on Friday. ``There's been a lot of razzing and a lot of very, very funny lines -- particularly from Stephen (Stills), who's got a good sense of humor. ``Everybody's been very supportive, too. I think we did a good thing, and everybody, all my friends, seem to think it was a good thing.'' he told Reuters earlier this week., Crosby said his life has been ``pretty crazy'' since Rolling Stone magazine revealed he was the biological father of Etheridge's 3-year-old daughter and 1-year-old son, borne by the singer's partner, filmmaker Julie Cypher, who was fertilized via artificial insemination. But he said it was ``entirely appropriate'' for Etheridge, 38, and Cypher, 35, to make his identity known following heavy speculation in the showbiz gossip mill since daughter Bailey was born. ``The decision was made by Melissa and Julie, and I think it was entirely correct,'' said Crosby, who is not helping to raise the children but knows them and reports that ``they're great, wonderful, happy kids.'' Etheridge and Cypher, he said, ``wanted to get it over and done with ... and have it be ancient history before the kids grow up and go to school.'' Now, however, Crosby hopes attention will shift to the upcoming CSNY concert tour, the group's first in 26 years. The three-month outing kicks off Jan. 24 in suburban Detroit. The foray is ostensibly in support of the superstar quartet's new album, ``Looking Forward,'' which was released in October. But the band says its three-hour shows will encompass the 30-plus years of music generated since Crosby, Stephen Stills, Graham Nash and Neil Young began working together. They also will feature material from their earlier musical affiliations, such as the Byrds (Crosby), Buffalo Springfield (Stills and Young) and the Hollies (Nash). Of an estimated 900 songs available to them, CSNY have been working on about 50 and plan to play a different repertoire each night, Crosby said. Adds Nash, ``The only thing that we've decided so far is that we want to play every song from the new record, and then we want to play a selection of songs that our fans know and love us for -- as long as we can make them musically interesting and make them not a medley and not a Las Vegas-type rendition of it.'' Crosby said the repertoire might even include songs that the group has written since ``Looking Forward'' was released. ``Oh, I guarantee you there are songs in there that you haven't heard, that nobody's heard before,'' he said. ``We're an ongoing process, man. We're a work in progress.'' That's good news to fans who have been frustrated over the years by the quartet's infrequent collaborations. Hardly prolific, CSNY has released just three studio albums and one live record since mid-1969, when Young joined the already fledgling trio of Crosby, Stills and Nash. Drug addictions, ego battles and business disagreements have often been cited for keeping the musicians apart, though they say the friendships have been ongoing. Young even agreed to make 1988's ``American Dream'' album as an incentive for Crosby to kick the drug habit that helped land him in a Texas prison during the mid-'80s. ``We're more than friends; we're brothers,'' said Nash, 58. ''And unfortunately, brothers fight occasionally.'' But now, they say, the group is more cohesive than it's ever been. ``There's no chemical baggage, for one thing,'' Crosby said. ''And we're much better guys. None of us ever stomps off in a huff. If we have two opinions about something, we stand there and treat each other with respect and talk about it and work it out, which we never would've done before.'' Reuters/Variety ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:50:29 -0500 (EST) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Dr. King NJC Colin exclaimed: >Blimey, the only -joni's must be shitting >bricks about 7 really long NJC's unmarked >as such!!!! Huh huh huh...bricks...huhuhuhhh...Cool. I think he's some sorta dr., or preacher. (settle down, Bevis) gdave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:28:01 -0500 (EST) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: BSN Dawson's Creek NJC Catherine from Tornoto said: >OK, fine, whatever, but I hardly see the >typical Dawson's Creek watcher as likely >to be a Joni fan. A certain few kids watching will hear BSN for the first time and immediately identify with the lyrics, and seek out more, and benefit greatly, thanks to this placement. Look how many of us first identified with her lyrics, as teenagers. Which is sort of surprising given the adult nature of even most her early writing, when she, herself, was not far from her own teenage years. I guess that is why I said 'a certain few'. BTW, whatever ever happened to our own version of the show...Griffin's Creek? That was a good one that had me hooked into each new episode. gdave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:02:38 -0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: RE: sick of commercial radio(NJC) On Monday, January 17, 2000 5:50 PM, waytoblu@mindspring.com [SMTP:waytoblu@mindspring.com] wrote: > But I've become more aware recently that when something is directed towards > a mass audience, uniqueness, artistry, and originality are compromised in > order to appeal to a general crowd. I've been thinking the same thing about BBC Radio 1 here in the UK. Contrary to your subject line, Radio 1 is not (officially) commercial, so we're free of advertising, thank god. I listen to Radio 1 because some of the DJs are quite good, and it provides a means to distract me from the work I'm supposed to be doing (pah! :-) By the afternoon though, I've heard something like three songs three or four times through the course of the day. I do have to ask where the variety has gone... (not to mention my license fee...) The only actual differentiator as the day goes on is the DJ rather than the music. That's a sad fact, even if some of the DJs are quite funny and talented, because radion stations are missing the point on a grand scale. But what's the use... I can't change it. - --Chris (gently dispairing) Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd Web: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 E-mail: chris@secure-si.co.uk PGP key: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/chris/pubkey.txt Fingerprint: 49F7 5132 C599 6ADC 47E7 844E A612 3F53 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:12:25 +0000 From: Kate Tarasenko Subject: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? Although I, like most JMDLers, have heard the sketchy stories about Joni's falling-out with her housekeeper, I must respectfully disagree with my outspoken brethren here. Given the circumstances that we know, and, taking for granted that, if true, they are surely only part of the story, it is unlikely that her act of kicking her housekeeper in the shin could somehow be construed as an act of affection. And I haven't read anywhere that she did it out of self-defense. I have read that she said she felt under seige in her own home and was fed up with feeling so. Given what details we know, what seems likely to me is that Joni simply got angry and momentarily lost control, and she lashed out physically at her housekeeper. For myself, I don't find it justifiable for one person to strike another under any circumstances other than that of actual self-defense, defined as imminent danger to one's person. My opinion is that Joni fucked up, she paid for it (at least) through the courts, and she moved on. But I'm surprised that so many folks here would not only excuse her behavior, but would go so far as to invent reasons for it. To paraphrase "Hamlet," it seems that some 'breathe her faults so quaintly that they may seem the taints of liberty.' It doesn't detract from Joni's image for me to believe that she lost control like that because I trust it's an episode she regrets. It would be far more troublesome if that incident represents her usual behavior. My point is that it is precisely her humanity which makes me love her artistry. To borrow from "Amadeus," she doesn't shit marble. And in the wake of the birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr., an icon of non-violence in the face of ferocious odds, I find the timing of the whole thread ironic, indeed. Kate in CO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:07:47 -0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: RE: Request/Explanation/Enquiry/S&L NJC On Tuesday, January 18, 2000 12:32 AM, catman [SMTP:catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk] wrote: > Yes we heard about the breach of security at Virgin net on the news. > Hackers. What a bummer as the Americans would say. It's entirely possible that Virgin are culpable too, if they didn't implement "best practise" to keep themselves protected from crackers (as we prefer to call them). There are still too few companies that realise that spending money up front on security is actually better than losing major customer confidence later on when they get clobbered by the guys in black hats... - --Chris Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd Web: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 E-mail: chris@secure-si.co.uk PGP key: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/chris/pubkey.txt Fingerprint: 49F7 5132 C599 6ADC 47E7 844E A612 3F53 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:28:02 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Forgot SNACK UMS Url...OOPS! (NJC) Laura (our sweet bargain queen) asks: << Just curious.........does anyone know what kind of perfume Joni wears? >> She probably wears "Passion Play" or "Cool Water" Jimmy, who wears "Nothing Can Be Done" :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:59:04 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Attention Canadians!!! Whoops! In my offer for the video "A Day in the Garden," I forgot that our Canadian contingency has a special situation. You have the US format for your videos, but cannot send an envelope with US stamps on it. So.....for the Canadian JMDLers ONLY, you can send a bit of money (US money only, please!) to cover the postage costs, so you don't have to worry about stamps. Hope that makes it easier for you! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:51:42 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? In a message dated 1/18/2000 7:11:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, netgirl@ctos.com writes: << But I'm surprised that so many folks here would not only excuse her behavior, but would go so far as to invent reasons for it. >> I was hoping that I wasn't the only one who felt like this! The only other thing that would make me strike out, would be if someone tried to harm my children. Not too long ago, we took our kids out to a family restaurant, which is also frequented by many older folks. My youngest, who is extremely hyperactive, was carrying on at our table. An older couple passed behind her, and the wife took her hand and shoved my daughter in the chest, exclaiming you awful she was behaving. It took every ounce of self control for me to not shove the woman down to the ground. But I put my face in hers and yelled that she never ever touch my child again, or I would call the chief of police. Kinda funny, thinking back on it now. But I don't remember ever feeling such rage before. Anyway, getting back to Joni (and why is this labeled NJC?), there is no excuse for physically assulting someone, even if they did paint her piano green, rainbow, purple or polka dotted. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:05:31 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? > Anyway, getting back to Joni (and why is this labeled >NJC?), there is no excuse for physically assulting >someone, even if they did paint her piano green, rainbow, >purple or polka dotted. I still think there is an excuse if it is in self defense or defense of one's loved ones. Does one have to be assaulted first before it is acceptable to fight back? What if someone was threatening you verbally and you strongly perceived they were about to physically harm you? I just think we shouldn't be so judgmental and conclusory about her actions without knowing the whole story. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:08:52 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? In a message dated 1/18/00 7:55:03 PM US Central Standard Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << I was hoping that I wasn't the only one who felt like this! The only other thing that would make me strike out, would be if someone tried to harm my children.>> Boy, i can relate to that one Terry...I was on a field trip when mine was in the third grade, and while he was drinking from the water fountain, another kid came up to him and yanked him away from the fountain. The parental instinct kicked in, and before I knew it I had the kid by the collar of his jacket pinned to the wall and I was in his face big-time. Kind of scary, but I think it's just nature at work that we defend our young. <> Well, it's guaranteed the "only-Joni's won't get pissed off about it! :~) But you know, about Joni and her maid, I can't judge her situation and say that what she did was justified or not, any more than she could judge my water fountain incident. I can imagine she had to get pushed pretty far to reach that point. Bob NP: "Song For Sharon", Wembley/London '83 (I LOVE this heavier version, and this band sounds great. How many dates did she play in '83 anyway?She had to have toured just about the whole year!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:24:38 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Another from Dr. King - NJC If we will but make the right choice, > we will > be able to speed up the day, all over America and all over the world, > when > justice will roll down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty > stream. > This made me cry. Thank you Jerry & Simon. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:28:50 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? In a message dated 1/18/2000 9:10:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << I still think there is an excuse if it is in self defense or defense of one's loved ones. Does one have to be assaulted first before it is acceptable to fight back? What if someone was threatening you verbally and you strongly perceived they were about to physically harm you? >> That's a good question: when is it ok to assault someone first? Maybe I didn't read things closely enough, but I thought she kicked the maid because she was pissed off royally at her for a whole lot of things. I didn't know that the maid may have threatened her. And yes, I agree- it's not fair to judge without knowing the whole story; I just was happy to see Kate from CO post my sentiments. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:26:28 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Autograph hounds ;-) (NJC) Penny reminisced: >When I had the luck of meeting Joni, she made it obvious she had a pen in her hand, as to invite the >request for a signature. Haha, she even seemed like it was a very fair exchange for the beer I gave >her. ;-) >Luckily, my pal had just given me the set of Jazzfest postcards and had the presence of mind >(remember, mine was gone) to stick them in my hand with the currrent year on top. Joni signed right >across Louis Armstrong's white jacket so her autograph could be easily seen. Joni >seemed very aware that she often has to take of her fans since they're such a mess during the >meeting. Lovely, gracious woman. I used to never want to ask a celebrity for an autograph - it seemed hokey and intrusive to me - that is, until I joined the JMDL and loosened up a bit in my attitude ;-) I eased into it at first by getting autographs of a few music artists for others. Once I took the plunge, I was very surprised to discover that most of the music artists I've met seem to expect and *want* you to ask them. I've had two very famous artists ask *me* if they could sign something and two others thanked me profusely for asking them! In a few other situations, the artists set up a table after the show just for autographs and photos. There is only one artist who acted snobby about it with me and a few others at a show. When we were going to the first night of the Joni tapings I had to be convinced by a few jmdlers to take something along to sign. I've felt sort of dopey the two times I've asked Joni to sign something for me, but that's my problem, not hers. She is very gracious, as Penny and others have noted, and takes it in stride. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:29:43 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? In a message dated 1/18/2000 9:08:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy writes: << The parental instinct kicked in, and before I knew it I had the kid by the collar of his jacket pinned to the wall and I was in his face big-time. >> Good thing the kid was a 3rd grader and not a 12th grader! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:47:16 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? > I just think we shouldn't be so judgmental and conclusory about her actions > without knowing the whole story. > > Kakki > Amen, Sister Kakki! Brother Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:55:40 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Autograph hounds ;-) (NJC) Kakki writes: << I've had two very famous artists ask *me* if they could sign something and two others thanked me profusely for asking them! In a few other situations, the artists set up a table after the show just for autographs and photos. >> Although I've never had any "famous" aritist ask me if they could sign something or thank me profusely, I have been to the signings where there the artist is at a table. I can agree with some of the previous posts where an autograph is no big deal. I have a few autographs by actors, musicians, artists, and politicians. The signed photos aren't that special to me, and that's due to the fact that the "celebrity" wasn't someone "special". Since I do hold Joni as someone very very special, an autograph from her would make me one hell of a happy guy. I'll get one someday!!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:57:54 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: I See The Promised Land ~ Impossible Dreamer? But I want you to know > tonight, that we, as a people will get to the promised land. And I'm happy, > tonight. I'm not worried about anything. I'm not fearing any man. Mine eyes > have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord. I just finished reading this and more tears.... What a brilliant & beautiful light this man was. Thank you again, Simon. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:04:54 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? Terry wrote: >Maybe I didn't read things closely enough, but I thought she kicked the maid because > she was pissed off royally at her for a whole lot of things. I didn't know that the maid may have >threatened her. And yes, I agree- it's not fair to judge without knowing the whole story; I just was >happy to see Kate from CO post my sentiments. None of us know the full details. Joni has not elaborated on them and that could well be because the case settled out of court. We may never know the details because settlement agreements usually contain a confidentiality clause where neither party may ever discuss the details of the dispute. There is also normally no liability or fault admitted or implied by them. And as far as we know, there was never any criminal complaint, charges or indictment brought against Joni for this. If the housekeeper had truly felt so injured and aggrieved, she would have immediately pressed charges. The existence of a criminal complaint would have greatly increased her chances of succeeding in her civil complaint against Joni (which ended in settlement). If I had been in Joni's situation, I would have wished in retrospect that I'd dismissed her from employment at the start of the siege, had her escorted out of the house and changed my locks! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:29:45 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: Corrections.(JGC) Joni Guitar Content. Pop quiz, later. Hello again, Grap your pencils gang, corrections time. At the request of Fred Walecki I need to correct, as well as clarify, some points I made regarding our conversation. Genuine apologies to Fred. I tried to be as accurate as possible in my post, and most certainly wanted to express with as much sincerity as possible the spirit of our conversation. Again, let me again say thanks to Mr. Walecki. Our second chat simply confirmed my feelings about our first. His enthusiasm, care and love of music shine through the phone lines like a thousand watt bulb. I felt like the luckiest guy in America talking to him. I sure hope Les's powers of persuasion will convince him to share more with the group as a whole. - --Sorry Mike, I never got a chance to ask your question about Joni's string gauges, but with luck you may be able to ask him yourself... First, if anyone took Joni's conversion of her recording space into a painting studio to mean she was abandoning her music, fear not. One can see how you might read it that way. I certainly did. As Mr. Walecki informed me, truth is, Joni is even MORE committed to her music these days! (With many thanks to him) Joni is in love with making music and decided to remove her home recording studio so that her home would feel more like a 'home' and not some industrial space. Nothing more than that. Going into a profession working environment is also reflective of her commitment to do it right: a professional work environment serves the needs of profession work. As someone who paints 15 feet from the refrigerator, I can certainly relate to this desire... Yeahhhhhh, Joan! Alert! Alert! For those of you with spare change left over from the purchasing of her Hejira Tour Guitar gear, be informed that the equipment from Joni's Recording Studio is also available IN ITS ENTIRETY! (Save a pair of speakers and a microphone or two.) Certainly if anyone is interested in faithfully creating her sound this sale is as good as it gets!!! Fred adds that her equipment will be had at a very fair price for what is aviable. ( Should anyone find a well-heeled relative ready to leave a sizable inheritance, please email me privately...) The official quote of Mr. Walecki regarding his stature along side Ken Paker is, "I'm not lint in his belly button." Fred Walecki has the utmost respect for Ken Parker's craftsmanship and attention to detail. He is, in Fred's eyes a true Rennaisance man. To convey Ken's remarkable attention to deal he discribed for me how Ken does not drill holes in his guitar before laquering them., (As others would do) because the lacquer would pucker around the edge of the hole. Instead Mr. Parker makes special drill bits that drill the holes after the laquer is applied, in a way that does not disturb the surface. When Ken took up the challenge to build Joni a guitar, Mr. Walecki envisioned it as something wonderfully original and creative, "as something out of the movie 'Brazil'." It was this faith in Ken that led him to encourage Joan to accept Ken's offer. When said guitar arrived and Mr. Walecki took it out of it's case, (not packing as I described it), Joan did indeed stand by with arms crossed; although not crossed in the way I implied in my post. Joni has the utmost regard for Mr. Walecki so she was in no way showing disregard for the unseen guitar. ("She is so interested in Life.") Instead, her body laguage was of a woman preparing to give her honest and earnest review of a work of art. Wow. I wish we all were in on that moment! Afterwards, Ken Parker used Joni's guitar as a prototype for the Parker Concert, a principle change being the type of wood used. For those interested Mr. Walecki also passed along information that it will probably be another year before Ken offers a VG8 ready Parker to the public. (Hang on to that cash Paz, if you can hold off that long!) Ken has so much respect for the designs of others, he does not want to simply copy off designs just to rush a model out to market. It will be his own. As for the guitar Mr. Walecki built, I gave the false impression that Mr. Walecki used a stipped down Strat and wired it up for the VG8. --I now say, NO WAY! He used the body shape of a Strat as a template, only in the interest of furthering this dream instrument into a reality. The body of her Greenpeace came from the hands of Fred Walecki himself. Once cut, it was made without pick ups as pick ups were not needed. This guitar was built to take advantage of that revolutionary technology in the VG8. With all due respect to the amazing instrument the Parker Fly is, it's Fred's Greenpeace we hear on Taming The Tiger, and it's his instrument I most wish I could have been around to see. Can you image how wonderful it must have been for Joni to play with this guitar?!!!!! I can just see her swaying away, dancing in her studio late into the night, trying out her tunings, listening to the new tonal palettes, and just rocking up a musical storm into the wee hours of the morning! I guarantee you she could not sleep out of excitement in those early days!!! Harlem in Havanna is testiment to that!!! God bless you Fred Walecki. Besides the care and love of your family, this is one of the big things I think you were put here for, my man. Save one or two comments about the use of a Fishman bridge on Parker's and a Power bridge on Fred's, I believe I have covered most of my faux pas. ( I think. ) As I will pass this email along to Fred Walecki for review before posting, let me be one of many here who wish him and his family the very best happiness in life. We hope you will join us, if only briefly, to share in our love and pleasure in Joni Mitchell's music! Please share a hello. We would love to hear of your long, impressive involvement in the music industry. And of course, anything with Joni content will simply curl toes with happiness. We 'double dare you, with sugar on top.' John Calimee Uh oh, Corrections to the corrections... Mr. Walecki caught yet another (!!!) gaff. When I said they jumped into Joni's 'tin' car joyriding down the wrong side of the LA freeways.... No seriously. When Fred Walecki said they took Joni's Toyota, I heard 'tin' instead. God forbid I leave the impression that Joni is driving around in a old beater. Whew... I think that's all. really. Should the site need anyone to transcribe the minutes, you may want to choose someone other than 'run-on sentence' John. (It was the one year away from the nuns that did me in grammatically...) Quiz in ten minutes. Mueller, no cheat sheets!!! Bye all. Er, Fred, the youthful and wise beyond his years, Mark Domyanich is interested in knowing what string gauges were used for Joni's Shadows and Light tour? We'd love you a bunch if someone could answer that question. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:38:42 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Violent/non-violent irony? This may sound like a funny thing to say but between the person who did an Anaconda in the parking lot and was the person in the song Crazy Cries of Love as well as the other references to being fairly worldly and Ribald Joni reminds me far more of the Motzart in Amadeus than Mahatma Ghandi. So she got royally pissed and flipped out. Shes a musician. Emotional if not incendiary on occasions. Shes human. Anyone who thinks she isnt capable of doing something like this Im afraid has a limited view of the emotional spectrum most people are capable of. Thats my take. marcel. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:16:43 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Corrections.(JGC) Joni Guitar Content. Pop quiz, later. In a message dated 1/18/00 9:34:27 PM US Central Standard Time, f40rmr1@corn.cso.niu.edu writes: << And of course, anything with Joni content will simply curl toes with happiness. >> John, your report had my toes curling already! You're like a Renaissance guy; musician, visual artist, and one heckuva writer! Don't tell me, you probably play halfback for 'Da Bears or something too! :~) Thanks for your efforts in the detail of these posts! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 23:19:05 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Autograph hounds ;-) (NJC) In a message dated 1/18/00 8:31:12 PM US Central Standard Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << I've felt sort of dopey the two times I've asked Joni to sign something for me, but that's my problem, not hers. She is very gracious, as Penny and others have noted, and takes it in stride. >> In Atlanta, she was signing stuff for our group left & right and didn't miss a beat in conversation! And yes, Jimmy, I cherish my signed concert ticket stub (but next time, I'm getting that sig on Hejira!) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:27:29 -0500 From: "Beverly" Subject: Re: Cry Cry Cry (was request for a favor) NJC >Could somebody who subscribes to the Wall Street Journal scroll off >yesterday's article on "Cry, Cry, Cry" (Dar Williams, Richard Shindell, >Lucy Kaplansky) and send it to me? I just gotta chime in on this one. I discovered "Cry Cry Cry" on a compilation CD called "Bleecker Street - Greenwich Village in the 60's," an amazing compilation of 60's folk songs performed by some of today's most respected artists. The CD was a Christmas gift from Pearl and Steve Weisberg - one of my favorite gifts, ever! I discovered Dar Williams (one third of Cry Cry Cry), after reading rave reviews from several list members, and picked up her CD, "End of the Summer." What a unique and beautiful voice! I don't think I would have stumbled upon Cry Cry Cry had I not heard their beautiful, blended melodies on their tribute to Tom Paxton's "The Last Thing on My Mind" from the Bleecker Street tribute CD. For those interested, "Bleecker Street - Greenwich Village in the 60's" is well worth the price (IMO). It pays tribute to some of the most respected artists of the early 60's folk scene, including Simon & Garfunkel, Bob Dylan, Tim Buckley, Tom Rush, Richard & Mimi Farina, Tim Hardin, John Sebastian, Buzzy Linhart, Fred Neil ("Everybody's Talkin"), Tom Paxton, Leonard Cohen, Eric Andersen, Phil Ochs, Judy Collins and Dino Valenti. The last track is an instrumental version of "Turn, Turn, Turn." Some of the performers on the CD are Jonatha Brooke who does a beautiful rendition of Simon & Garfunkel's "Bleecker Street," Marshall Crenshaw, Chrissie Hynde, Patty Larkin, Cry Cry Cry, John Cale & Suzanne Vega, John Gorka, Suzzy and Maggie Roche, and some folks I'd never heard of, but will definitely check out. My favorite tribute performance is Beth Nielson Chapman's rendition of "Since You've Asked," originally recorded, I believe, by Judy Collins. What a gorgeous voice Chapman has. This CD has not left my car CD player since Christmas. I wish I could find the tab for Jonatha Brooke's version of the title song. Thanks Pearl and Steve! Bev, NP - Darling Be Home Soon - Jules Shear ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:42:49 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: Votes untallied on kicks but in on guitars. Hi all. It is obviously the wish of everyone here that Joni add the sound of her Collings back to her mixes. Fingers are crossed on that. At the risk of more corrections, Mr. Walecki commented several times that Joni considers herself a 'guitar monogomist' at the moment. Previously, she carried a wide variety of gear on the stage, but now she likes the idea of being 'faithful' to her new baby. I'm not sure if this means no recording from the Collings, or if she is refering to the wave of new guitars being offered to her in the same techno vein as the Parker and VG8. Considering how she enjoyed recording with a full orchestra, and how much she loves change, it would appear the next project of original material could produce a radical change indeed in her sound. Although, in retrospect, what seems radical to our ears, eventually become a very normal evolution in her sound. Stay tuned. Things could get interesting. Pray for her health and well being: let's see, a year promoting Both Sides Now, a year writing new material, a year recording. Looks like 2002-3 until her record contract is fulfilled. Fred also mentioned that it is his hope to see a few of her guitars go to the highest bidder, just in case she changes her mind and wants to try to replace the Bensons. He also wishes to sell a guitar, or two in a more 'afforable' price range so that her fans have a shot at owning a guitar. Among those pricer models, she is also offering a Yamaha Apx-10, the likely model offered to us in the 'K-Mart' crowd... By the way, this guitar was never used on stage, but he quotes her as saying it has, "coughed up a few melodies." I may be stomping on Les's toes here posting this, as Fred is quite interested in an official hook-up with the list. Any news on that front, Les? My god, I feel like a robber, giving away all the secrets. I'd stop with the posts but too delerious with happiness the last few weeks. Someone, pleeeeeeeeeeeeease shut me up!!! John. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 01:51:00 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: NetZero NJC Hey Joni folks (& *fusion* rockers).... I canceled my cable connection last week because I was spending WAY too much time online. Having web pages pop up in seconds instead of minutes became addicting & I'd find myself spending a solid six hours or more surfing & answering email. So I'm trying an alternative approach. I subscribed to the totally FREE internet provider www.netzero.net to stay in touch with friends online. While it saves me a $35 monthly fee it's still a toll call for me to connect. But NetZero connects me at higher speeds than most modem servers I've encountered (usually 48K) & I'm definitely impressed. It's touted as the fastest growing internet provider. The only catch is that a 1x5" ad/browser appears in every window. Yet you can download SDNet Supertool for free from www.zdnet.com which lets you easily move the ad/browser around the page. Now that I pay per minute & have to wait for sites to download I'm sure I'll be spending a lot less time online. But I wouldn't miss the JMDL discussion of Both Sides Now for the world & wouldn't have found out about it's February 8th special release if not for NetZero. E.T. __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:56:47 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Votes untallied on kicks but in on guitars. > Someone, pleeeeeeeeeeeeease shut me up!!! No, no, John, please keep spilling - this is wonderful reading! Hey, what was that new-fangled guitar Paz found last year that tunes itself? Maybe she could try that next and get back the acoustic sound while retaining the tuning ease of the VG-8. I also don't think Joni is ever going to quit music - she's got too much inside her to shut it off. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 07:19:13 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? - license plate ideas (NJC) How 'bout Sex Skills..............isn't that what she's singing anyway?!... :-) L (London) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #32 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?