From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #29 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 18 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 029 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Forgot SNACK UMS Url...OOPS! (NJC) [mann@chicagonet.net] A Dream Deferred [simon@icu.com] Impossible? Yea i think so! [simon@icu.com] **Free** Joni Tape Tree # 3 ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] re: Neil Young Boxed Set (W/ JC) ["Jerome Gonzales" ] I See The Promised Land ~ Impossible Dreamer? (Part One) [Bounced Message] farewell njc [Bounced Message ] Kicking and screaming [Michael Paz ] Re: 15,000 signatures? [Mike Friedman ] Re: Please Read ! NO 15,000 signatures ["Kakki" ] FREE MOVIE TICKET *EVERY DAY* (NJC) [mann@chicagonet.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:41:55 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Forgot SNACK UMS Url...OOPS! (NJC) In my excitement over the free movie ticket .... I forgot to include the url for the free crunchie samples you can bring with you to the theatre (gotta sneak 'em in tho!!) :-D Congratulations to Terry who emailed she just won! Any other winners????? http://www.snackums.com/register.asp Free Sample of Snack Ums for anyone over 18. You can also enter your kids in the sweepstakes (18 and under.....they will get a sample if they enter the sweeps, print out the form and send it in). **FREEBIE** Get a Free Sample of Murad (expensive skin care line) "Night Reform" as seen in December Vogue magazine. Speak with a live operator who will take your name, address & where you saw ad Toll Free 1-888-68-MURAD Complimentary Sample of Bellino Haute Couture Body Care. Talk with a live operator who will take your name, address and where you saw AD (December Vogue magazine page #430). Make sure after giving all your info you again ask for a complimentary sample as stated in the magazine. You don't want them to JUST send a brochure! The operator I spoke to was a little ditzy! Just curious.........does anyone know what kind of perfume Joni wears? Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:59:09 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: A Dream Deferred What happens to a dream deferred? Does it dry up like a raisin in the sun? Or fester like a sore -- And then run? Does it stink like a rotten meat? Or crust and sugar over -- like a syrupy sweet? Maybe it just sags like a heavy load. OR DOES IT EXPLODE? Langston Hughes (p) 1959 thought i'd share this. - ------- simon - ------- "Never doubt that a small group of committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:02:00 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Impossible? Yea i think so! the question IS when are All going to be accorded *Equal Treatment* under the law and in the eyes and attitudes of all men (& WOmen). clearly the goal is ... "Coexistence with mutual respect for the dignity of each individual." Thomas Jefferson said it best, even if HE wasn't able to live up to his own ideals. "We Hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." ... the pursuit of Happiness. a revolutionary concept. think about it. - ------- simon - ------- Remember: Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:49:54 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: **Free** Joni Tape Tree # 3 Tape Tree #3 is available free on 3 audio cassettes. Tape Tree #3 starts with group of live performances from a radio station's tape archive. The quality of the recordings vary wildly but she tells many stories. You will hear her skill as a storyteller- that is for sure. The interviews were between 1966 and 1968, originally broadcast in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA. (Joni's first album, "Song To A Seagull" was released in 1968.) It also includes a live performance at a nightclub called the 2nd Fret, also in Philadelphia, during October 1967. This was at the end of the Summer Of Love if I recall. She was sure of herself and did not have any cocaine anger, ooops. I mean, she is an accomplished live performer, calmly telling her audience about the story behind some songs. To read more about this period, go to: http://www.jonimitchell.com/joni2.html The third tape has 2 discussions with Roberta Joan (Joni) Anderson Mitchell. The first interview took place in 1988, to announce the (then) new album called "Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm". To read more on this era, go to: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Experimental.html In 1995, the interviewer was Todd Rungren. (Have you ever heard "Hello It's Me"? It's the same guy.) Tape Tree #3 acts as an excellent introduction to the tape trees in general, Joni's experiences in the folk nightclubs of North America, and the middle period stuff. d i s c l a i m e r s :::: Send an email to me and I will give you the details! I'll be keeping this tree open for the winter (Northern Hemisphere) / summer (Southern Hemisphere). I will label it N_J_C next time... I promise. Read Les's introduction to tape trees at http://jmdl.com/trading/ np:  "Ritual" from Yes'es Yessongs set from 1980. Thanks to Wally Breese for creating a resource where I could look up Joni's name at birth! Wally Rules! BTW, I haven't forgotten Frank Tortorici or Neil Penwell. I haven't made it to Kinko's to make J-cards for you guys. Maybe this evening. - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:28:31 PST From: "Jerome Gonzales" Subject: re: Neil Young Boxed Set (W/ JC) I just read that Neil's long awaited, long delayed 6 or 7 CD boxed set will be released this fall. A few years ago he mentioned it would include somewhere in the neighborhood of 6 songs recorded with Joni and shelved in the 70s. The release I read confirmed that these sessions would be on it. Just thought I'd pass along this news. Jerome ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:55:53 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Happy Birthday Dr. King HAPPY BIRTHDAY (Lyrics & Music by Stevie Wonder) You know it doesn't make much sense There ought to be a law against Anyone who takes offense At a day in your celebration 'Cause we all know in our minds That there ought to be a time That we can set aside To show just how much we love you And I'm sure you would agree It couldn't fit more perfectly Than to have a world party on the day you came to be Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday I just never understood How a man who died for good Could not have a day that would Be set aside for his recognition Because it should never be Just because some cannot see The dream as clear as he that they should make it become an illusion And we all know everything That he stood for time will bring For in peace our hearts will sing Thanks to MARTIN LUTHER KING Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Why has there never been a holiday Where peace is celebrated all throughout the world The time is overdue For people like me and you Who know the way to truth Is love and unity to all God's children It should never be a great event And the whole day should be spent In full remembrance Of those who lived and died for the oneness of all people So let us all begin We know that love can win Let it out don't hold it in Sing it loud as you can Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Happy birthday Happy birthday Happy birthday Ooh yeah Happy birthday... We know the key to unify all people Is in the dream that you had so long ago That lives in all of the hearts of people That believe in unity We'll make the dream become a reality I know we will Because our hearts tell us so from the album "Hotter Than July" __________________________________ how well i remember what others may well have forgotten. in the late 70's the effort to establish a National Holiday in honor of The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King was stalled and passage seemed hopeless. (in large messure) due to the tireless efforts of Stevie Wonder, Right eventually won out over ignorance. Happy Birthday Dr. King - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:36:19 +1100 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Coupon Codes (NJC) There's a new Coupon available for Barnes & Noble that gives $10 off a $10 order. I just ordered a $US12.99 CD for $US8.94 including postage to Australia! Coupon CMSEMPL Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:46:47 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: I See The Promised Land ~ Impossible Dreamer? (Part One) From: simon@icu.com Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:00:30 -0800 "I See The Promised Land" April 3, 1968 Memphis, Tennessee This was Dr. King's last, and most apocalyptic, sermon. He delivered it, on the eve of his assassination, at [the Bishop Charles] Mason Temple in Memphis, Tennessee, on 3 April 1968. Mason Temple is the headquarters of the Church of God in Christ, the largest African American Pentecostal denomination in the United States. __________________________________________________________________________ Thank you very kindly, my friends. As I listened to Ralph Abernathy in his eloquent and generous introduction and then thought about myself, I wondered who he was talking about. It's always good to have your closest friend and associate say something good about you. And Ralph is the best friend that I have in the world. I'm delighted to see each of you here tonight in spite of a storm warning. You reveal that you are determined to go on anyhow. Something is happening in Memphis, something is happening in our world. As you know, if I were standing at the beginning of time, with the possibility of general and panoramic view of the whole human history up to now, and the Almighty said to me, "Martin Luther King, which age would you like to live in?"-- I would take my mental flight by Egypt through, or rather across the Red Sea, through the wilderness on toward the promised land. And in spite of its magnificence, I wouldn't stop there. I would move on by Greece, and take my mind to Mount Olympus. And I would see Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Euripides and Aristophanes assembled around the Parthenon as they discussed the great and eternal issues of reality. But I wouldn't stop there. I would go on, even to the great heyday of the Roman Empire. And I would see developments around there, through various emperors and leaders. But I wouldn't stop there. I would even come up to the day of the Renaissance, and get a quick picture of all that the Renaissance did for the cultural and esthetic life of man. But I wouldn't stop there. I would even go by the way that the man for whom I'm named had his habitat. And I would watch Martin Luther as he tacked his ninety-five theses on the door at the church in Wittenberg. But I wouldn't stop there. I would come on up even to 1863, and watch a vacillating president by the name of Abraham Lincoln finally come to the conclusion that he had to sign the Emancipation Proclamation. But I wouldn't stop there. I would even come up the early thirties, and see a man grappling with the problems of the bankruptcy of his nation. And come with an eloquent cry that we have nothing to fear but fear itself. But I wouldn't stop there. Strangely enough, I would turn to the Almighty, and say, "If you allow me to live just a few years in the second half of the twentieth century, I will be happy." Now that's a strange statement to make, because the world is all messed up. The nation is sick. Trouble is in the land. Confusion all around. That's a strange statement. But I know, somehow, that only when it is dark enough, can you see the stars. And I see God working in this period of the twentieth century in a way that men, in some strange way, are responding--something is happening in our world. The masses of people are rising up. And wherever they are assembled today, whether they are in Johannesburg, South Africa; Nairobi, Kenya: Accra, Ghana; New York City; Atlanta, Georgia; Jackson, Mississippi; or Memphis, Tennessee--the cry is always the same--"We want to be free." And another reason that I'm happy to live in this period is that we have been forced to a point where we're going to have to grapple with the problems that men have been trying to grapple with through history, but the demands didn't force them to do it. Survival demands that we grapple with them. Men, for years now, have been talking about war and peace. But now, no longer can they just talk about it. It is no longer a choice between violence and nonviolence in this world; it's nonviolence or nonexistence. That is where we are today. And also in the human rights revolution, if something isn't done, and in a hurry, to bring the colored peoples of the world out of their long years of poverty, their long years of hurt and neglect, the whole world is doomed. Now, I'm just happy that God has allowed me to live in this period, to see what is unfolding. And I'm happy that he's allowed me to be in Memphis. I can remember, I can remember when Negroes were just going around as Ralph has said, so often, scratching where they didn't itch, and laughing when they were not tickled. But that day is all over. We mean business now, and we are determined to gain our rightful place in God's world. And that's all this whole thing is about. We aren't engaged in any negative protest and in any negative arguments with anybody. We are saying that we are determined to be men. We are determined to be people. We are saying that we are God's children. And that we don't have to live like we are forced to live. Now, what does all of this mean in this great period of history? It means that we've got to stay together. We've got to stay together and maintain unity. You know, whenever Pharaoh wanted to prolong the period of slavery in Egypt, he had a favorite, favorite formula for doing it. What was that? He kept the slaves fighting among themselves. But whenever the slaves get together, something happens in Pharaoh's court, and he cannot hold the slaves in slavery. When the slaves get together, that's the beginning of getting out of slavery. Now let us maintain unity. Secondly, let us keep the issues where they are. The issue is injustice. The issue is the refusal of Memphis to be fair and honest in its dealings with its public servants, who happen to be sanitation workers. Now, we've got to keep attention on that. That's always the problem with a little violence. You know what happened the other day, and the press dealt only with the window-breaking. I read the articles. They very seldom got around to mentioning the fact that one thousand, three hundred sanitation workers were on strike, and that Memphis is not being fair to them, and that Mayor Loeb is in dire need of a doctor. They didn't get around to that. Now we're going to march again, and we've got to march again, in order to put the issue where it is supposed to be. And force everybody to see that there are thirteen hundred of God's children here suffering, sometimes going hungry, going through dark and dreary nights wondering how this thing is going to come out. That's the issue. And we've got to say to the nation: we know it's coming out. For when people get caught up with that which is right and they are willing to sacrifice for it, there is no stopping point short of victory. We aren't going to let any mace stop us. We are masters in our nonviolent movement in disarming police forces; they don't know what to do. I've seen them so often. I remember in Birmingham, Alabama, when we were in that majestic struggle there we would move out of the 16th Street Baptist Church day after day; by the hundreds we would move out. And Bull Connor would tell them to send the dogs forth and they did come; but we just went before the dogs singing, "Ain't gonna let nobody turn me round." Bull Connor next would say, "Turn the fire hoses on." And as I said to you the other night, Bull Connor didn't know history. He knew a kind of physics that somehow didn't relate to the transphysics that we knew about. And that was the fact that there was a certain kind of fire that no water could put out. And we went before the fire hoses; we had known water. If we were Baptist or some other denomination, we had been immersed. If we were Methodist, and some others, we had been sprinkled, but we knew water. That couldn't stop us. And we just went on before the dogs and we would look at them; and we'd go on before the water hoses and we would look at it, and we'd just go on singing. "Over my head I see freedom in the air." And then we would be thrown in the paddy wagons, and sometimes we were stacked in there like sardines in a can. And they would throw us in, and old Bull would say, "Take them off," and they did; and we would just go in the paddy wagon singing, "We Shall Overcome." And every now and then we'd get in the jail, and we'd see the jailers looking through the windows being moved by our prayers, and being moved by our words and our songs. And there was a power there which Bull Connor couldn't adjust to; and so we ended up transforming Bull into a steer, and we won our struggle in Birmingham. Now we've got to go on to Memphis just like that. I call upon you to be with us Monday. Now about injunctions: We have an injunction and we're going into court tomorrow morning to fight this illegal, unconstitutional injunction. All we say to America is, "Be true to what you said on paper." If I lived in China or even Russia, or any totalitarian country, maybe I could understand the denial of certain basic First Amendment privileges, because they hadn't committed themselves to that over there. But somewhere I read of the freedom of assembly. Somewhere I read of the freedom of speech. Somewhere I read of the freedom of the press. Somewhere I read that the greatness of America is the right to protest for right. And so just as I say, we aren't going to let any injunction turn us around. We are going on. We need all of you. And you know what's beautiful to me, is to see all of these ministers of the Gospel. It's a marvelous picture. Who is it that is supposed to articulate the longings and aspirations of the people more than the preacher? Somehow the preacher must be an Amos, and say, "Let justice roll down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream." Somehow, the preacher must say with Jesus, "The spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to deal with the problems of the poor." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:49:48 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: farewell njc From: "Wally Kairuz" Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 01:14:01 -0300 in a few hours i'll be un.sub.scribing. i'll be in michigan from the 19th to the 25th. after that i'll be in nyc until feb 25 or a little longer perhaps. those who want to write can use this address; i'll be checking my mail regularly. michigan gang: if you come up with any plan, write me at oldersbetter@hotmail.com [yeah, i know...] on the subject line write "please give this to wally" new york gang: i'll be in touch by phone. GOODBYE EVERYONE!!!! behave yourselves now! my love to you all, wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:07:52 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Kicking and screaming Hello Gang- I have been following this "kicking the housekeeper" thread and have been meaning to write in and share on this topic. As many of you know my people are from Honduras in Central America, right next door to Guatemala (where the housekeeper is from). The Mayan culture hails from this beautiful land and while they are a wonderful and beautiful culture, they do have some strange and bizarre customs. One of these customs is to kick someone in the shins to show affection or appreciation. I don't think anyone with the reputation of our fair Ms. Mitchell (SIQUOMB Remember the queen of Mind Beauty?) would ever kick someone to show anger or hate. I am sure it was misunderstood and she actually meant this in a much higher way and was trying to communicate with the Guatemalan woman on her own level. The Mayans also sacrificed humans, which again I don't think they were being ugly and malicious, they were just following their own customs for a higher purpose that not everyone can understand. Most of you don't know how demanding the Mayan Gods can be sometimes. I am sure many of you have heard of an Oriental culture that believes it is a compliment to the cook to belch after a good meal. If you do this in most places you would be considered rude, bad mannered, etc. As far as I am concerned I believe this was all a big misunderstanding and once again glorified into something it is not by the vicious media. Hope this helps! Best wishes, Michael "Kiss my ass!" I said and I threw my drink Tequila trickling Down his business suit Must be the Irish blood Fight before you think Joni Mitchell-Lead Balloon/Taming The Tiger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:14:11 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: 15,000 signatures? > From: Kakki > Reply-To: Kakki > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:31:40 -0800 > To: Steve Dulson , joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: 15,000 signatures? > > As someone who at times has to take profusive handwritten notes for days on > end, I think it sounds worse than it really is. Other than being somewhat > time-consuming and boring it's not impossible. Maybe she did a daily > routine of 500 a day until she finished ;-) I think it's more likely that they used a signature machine. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:01:16 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Please Read ! NO 15,000 signatures Bad news kids - Because we all have been wondering about these Joni autographs on the BSN without any confirmation, I called Robbie Cavolina tonight to ask him about it. He did not realize that this was in Reprise's ad and said it is not true. He was very, very concerned when I told him about it and was contacting them to correct it. He felt bad for those who have ordered it under an incorrect impression, but I told him it's better to know it now than later. No Joni signatures. It did almost sound too good to be true. Boo hoo ;-( Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:40:17 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: FREE MOVIE TICKET *EVERY DAY* (NJC) My mistake! I mis-understood the email I received about this and I hadn't read the rules myself. Now you don't have to go to the movies alone! You can enter once a day, every day until the sweeps ends. (Don't have the end date on that yet. I think I have to clear my cookies to bring up the registration page again where I believe the rules are) So keep entering each day and keep winning. I know of 3 winners so far besides myself. Any more???? Go to: http://www.hollywood.com and register where it says JC Penney Red Carpet Sweepstakes on the right hand side down the page. After you register (and if you didn't win by registering) go back to http://www.hollywood.com and click on the top of the page where it says ENTER HERE TO WIN and you see a red ball with a star in it. If you don't win the first time click on the button that takes you back to the home page and try again. You may have to do this up to five times before you get a page that declares you a WINNER! When you win you will get an email confirming your movie ticket will be mailed to you in 4-6 weeks. Laura ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #29 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?