From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #23 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, January 14 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 023 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- A joke worth reading -- NJC [Louis Lynch ] Did you MISS anything? ["Catherine McKay" ] RollingStone article on Melissa - NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: childcare NJC ["Catherine McKay" ] RE: The Second Coming [Don Rowe ] Re: The Second Coming [Kathleen Kajioka ] RE: The Second Coming ["Catherine McKay" ] RE: The Second Coming NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: real good for free [Martin Giles ] Re: real good for free [Martin Giles ] Re: real good for free [Scott Price ] Companion is Awesome [Bounced Message ] Re: real good for free ["Kakki" ] Coupon Codes - NJC ["Alan Lorimer" ] Re: Coupon Codes - NJC ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: childcare NJC [catman ] Re: population NJC [Vince Lavieri ] UK import duties (NJC) [Gertus@aol.com] RE: population NJC [Louis Lynch ] Re: Both Sides, Now doesn't come cheap! NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Companion is Awesome NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] BSN for the academic [Vince Lavieri ] Re: population NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: population NJC [Vince Lavieri ] TRIAD 2000 (NJC) [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] NJC-LACE interview and ordering help [DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us] Re: population NJC [catman ] Re: TRIAD 2000 (NJC) [catman ] Re: Melissa story...NJC ["rick novosel" ] 2000 Purchases (VLJC) [Joseph Palis ] aloha [ubingo@webtv.net (bingo)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 06:58:53 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: A joke worth reading -- NJC Hi all, FYI, the humorists at http:\\www.suck.com took a couple of potshots at Melissa Etheridge in today's satire. Suck.com is a web magazine that published a daily edition of crazy satire via e-mail subscription. Also, I thought the article below would tickle the NJC list, considering what wonderfully intelligent and witty people we all are. Regards, Harper Lou (PS, I hope there's nothing in THIS post that will cause people to label me a homophobe again.) NEW WORDS The Washington Post's Style Invitational asked readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new definition. Here are some winners: Reintarnation: Coming back to life as a hillbilly. Foreploy: Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of getting laid. Giraffiti: Vandalism spray-painted very, very high. Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it. Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late. Hipatitis: Terminal coolness. Osteopornosis: A degenerate disease. Karmageddon: It's like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it's like, a serious bummer. Glibido: All talk and no action. Dopeler effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly. Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with. The best of the bunch: Ignoranus:A person who's both stupid and an asshole. __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 15:10:43 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Did you MISS anything? Brett was away and now he's back and he asks, did he miss anything. DID YOU MISS ANYTHING??? You missed Joni's participation in the GREATEST discussion of all time!! I am KIDDING - get that pulse back down and stop hyperventilating. I was away too. Welcome back. And Happy New Year and all that. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 15:36:58 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RollingStone article on Melissa - NJC My apologies to tout le monde for that email I sent in response to Patti's including the RS interview. I thought I had just snipped out a couple of pieces to comment on and then deleted the interview proper, but now that I've read my email (too late) that has come back to me via the list, I realize I failed to delete the article. Sorry for wasting disk space with such repetition. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:31:00 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: off the list for a while From: Anne Sandstrom Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:34:29 -0500 Hi everyone. Well, I intended to be un.sub.scribed only while I was away on vacation, but it looks like I'll be away a while longer. My mom passed away last week. (even though she'd been having some health problems over the past year, it was still very sudden). So, I'm still very much in shock, rather behind at work (so what else is new?), and trying to sort through all her stuff with my brother and sisters. I hope to be back by the time Joni's new album comes out. In the meantime, take care of yourselves. Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:40:28 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: childcare NJC RainbowCrystal (I love that name!) wrote: >The reason people have children and pay for help, is because "it >takes a >village to raise a child", and since most people in our culture don't >have a village, they, (and their children), are blessed if they can >afford help. Most people have no idea what it takes to raise a child >until they have one. > >I have been a childcare professional in this life >and wouldn't consider being a mother until I have my village. (Or >become rich enough to buy one! :-) That makes a lot of sense. The stay-at-home-look-after-the-kids-while-Dad-goes-to-work scenario, where mom gets no help, is a pretty recent one. In Victorian times, rich women had nannies/nurses to look after the kids - I have no idea what these rich women were doing since they didn't have jobs and I'm sure they weren't going out to lunch with their friends - I always imagine them swooning on couches complaining of the vapours or ennui or something because they were actually bored and frustrated at doing nothing but weren't allowed to say so. The poor had so many kids that one of them could always look after the younger ones while mum was doing some rich babe's laundry. It's unrealistic to expect anyone, working or not, to shoulder the entire burden of childcare and yet, that's what our society tends to do. A lot of people are down on daycare, and it seems every week another story comes out saying it's good, saying it's bad. I think it was good for my kids, although you do have to put up with several years of almost constant colds (it builds up their immune systems - now that my kids are older, they hardly ever get sick!) Group daycare is a kind of a village and perhaps a substitute for many of us for those relatives that don't happen to live next door or in the same house. It's like having another family. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:44:52 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: RE: The Second Coming - --- "Ross, Les" wrote: > I was listening to this (Slouching Towards Bethlehem) in the car coming in to work > this morning Every time I put this on in the car and crank it up, when the police sirens come in way off in the background, my palms start to sweat and I frantically check my mirrors ... every time, no kidding, that's how wrapped up in it I get -- I completely forget those damned sirens are part of the mix! Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:33:36 -0500 From: Kathleen Kajioka Subject: Re: The Second Coming Hi Everyone. I've enjoyed all the chat about "Slouching". I discovered this song when I was away at music school (classical), and it was through Joni's treatment of this legendary Yeats' poem that I came to recognize what art really is. Because it's not as though the original poem is simply set to music. And the alterations and additions to the original poem are not just patchwork for the sake of making it fit a musical form (I think many others less sophisticated than Joni would have been satisfied with that). I perceived that this is not just a clever 'rendering' of the poem, but that it is something wholly different. It seemed to me that she has ingested the poem, that it has sunk deep inside her and mingled and merged with the depths of her experience and re-emerged fully integrated into her own voice. In this song, the communicative vessel (the poem) that Yeats created was immersed in the alchemical fire of Joni's soul and emerged transformed into a "Joni Mitchell song". Amazing. This taught me a lot about where art comes from--how our experience enters the depths of our being, and that 'art' is the other half of the cycle where the experience, having been digested within, finds its way out again through creativity. Good day everyone! Kathleen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:31:48 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: The Second Coming Don wrote: Every time I put this on in the car and crank it up, when the police sirens come in way off in the background, my palms start to sweat and I frantically check my mirrors ... every time, no kidding, that's how wrapped up in it I get -- I completely forget those damned sirens are part of the mix! Me too! I keep looking around for cop car or an ambulance and wondering whether I should pull over! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 14:33:41 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: RE: The Second Coming NJC Don said: <> Same thing happens with me when I play "Police, Police" by Atlanta Rhythm Section. It starts out with the siren and nothing else, so it's even more pronounced. Likewise, on one of the tunes on the latest Sheryl Crow there's a sound like a phone off the hook and beeping, and I'm always going to hang up the phone when I hear it! Bob NP: David Lahm, "Blue Motel Room" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:52:40 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: real good for free I asked.. > So I was wondering, has Joni ever explained how she developes/creates a > tuning for a song? Bill replied: > The only thing I have repeatedly heard in this regard is that > she tunes to her environment, finding "sonic references" from > birds, water, wind etc. And Bob agreed.. > ...for Magdalene Laundries, she says that she went to the coast and tuned the > guitar to the sounds the birds were making, because she wanted to write a > happy song. Now this sounds like she was speaking with tongue lightly planted in cheek to me. I know She's a hippy chick, but what key is a blackbird in? Maybe I'm too rational/cynical though, eh? On a side note, I once recorded some bird song and then played it back three octaves down on a sampler, (one quarter speed), and it didn't sound all pretty and sweet anymore, it had transformed into a series of very intimidating bellows and roars. The birds seemed to be shouting, "GET OFF MY TURF BUSTER!" Which is probably how it sounds to other birds. Back to Joni - My suspicion that she is in the habit of exploring different tunings and maybe later comes back to write a song with something she has already sorted out. The Zoob chimed in.. > What I love doing is playing the piano songs in DADF#AD (BYT, YOu Turn Me > On, 3 Great Stims etc etc) and fairly simple to transcribe too. Yep, that's the kind of thing I was trying. But in a way it seemed a little literal, if you know what I mean. I'm was looking for a much more melancholic tuning, something more haunting. Sue McNamara's description of how she transcribed Impossible Dreamer seems to be the sort of direction that I should have gone. Armed with said advice, I'm going to spend some time this weekend having another go! Thanks Sue, and all who have responded. I really hope that I can come up with something 'authentic'. It would be a blast to record it and see what everyone thinks! atb, Martin. Sue helped out with.. > The clearest way to figure out Joni's tunings is by getting the barre chord > first. She also has a hook pattern in most of her songs. In the beginning > intro of Impossible Dreamer there is a chord progression that translated > easily into a barre chord progression on the guitar (if you've ever played > People's Parties you know what I'm talking about). The chord progression > starts at the 7th fret and goes up the fret board to the 6th and then the > 2nd. So I figured out what chords Joni was using on the piano for that > progression and then at first realized it was a D tuning and then played > around with the strings until it sounded just like the piano chords. I > came up with a wierd tuning: DAEGBD I thought it sounded pretty close > although my version of Impossible Dreamer is a little slower and more moody > than Joni's from DED. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:52:40 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: real good for free I asked.. > So I was wondering, has Joni ever explained how she developes/creates a > tuning for a song? Bill replied: > The only thing I have repeatedly heard in this regard is that > she tunes to her environment, finding "sonic references" from > birds, water, wind etc. And Bob agreed.. > ...for Magdalene Laundries, she says that she went to the coast and tuned the > guitar to the sounds the birds were making, because she wanted to write a > happy song. Now this sounds like she was speaking with tongue lightly planted in cheek to me. I know She's a hippy chick, but what key is a blackbird in? Maybe I'm too rational/cynical though, eh? On a side note, I once recorded some bird song and then played it back three octaves down on a sampler, (one quarter speed), and it didn't sound all pretty and sweet anymore, it had transformed into a series of very intimidating bellows and roars. The birds seemed to be shouting, "GET OFF MY TURF BUSTER!" Which is probably how it sounds to other birds. Back to Joni - My suspicion that she is in the habit of exploring different tunings and maybe later comes back to write a song with something she has already sorted out. The Zoob chimed in.. > What I love doing is playing the piano songs in DADF#AD (BYT, YOu Turn Me > On, 3 Great Stims etc etc) and fairly simple to transcribe too. Yep, that's the kind of thing I was trying. But in a way it seemed a little literal, if you know what I mean. I'm was looking for a much more melancholic tuning, something more haunting. Sue McNamara's description of how she transcribed Impossible Dreamer seems to be the sort of direction that I should have gone. Armed with said advice, I'm going to spend some time this weekend having another go! Thanks Sue, and all who have responded. I really hope that I can come up with something 'authentic'. It would be a blast to record it and see what everyone thinks! atb, Martin. Sue helped out with.. > The clearest way to figure out Joni's tunings is by getting the barre chord > first. She also has a hook pattern in most of her songs. In the beginning > intro of Impossible Dreamer there is a chord progression that translated > easily into a barre chord progression on the guitar (if you've ever played > People's Parties you know what I'm talking about). The chord progression > starts at the 7th fret and goes up the fret board to the 6th and then the > 2nd. So I figured out what chords Joni was using on the piano for that > progression and then at first realized it was a D tuning and then played > around with the strings until it sounded just like the piano chords. I > came up with a wierd tuning: DAEGBD I thought it sounded pretty close > although my version of Impossible Dreamer is a little slower and more moody > than Joni's from DED. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:34:48 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: real good for free At 07:52 PM 1/13/00, Martin Giles wrote: >I know She's a hippy chick, but what key is a blackbird in? >Maybe I'm too rational/cynical though, eh? Martin, My impression is that Joni really does imagine, say, a bird chirping, and then fiddles with the guitar strings until the chord shape is what she's looking for. She does not have any concept of what key she's playing or composing in...only working toward an overall sound and feeling that she's trying to convey. This is part of why it's always been difficult to transcribe her music into notes and staffs because it defies "standard" notation. The musicians who work with her are also given *visual* cues by Joni so they can create the type of riff or sound that she's after. In other words, she wouldn't say to Wayne Shorter, "please come in on the downbeat of the fourth bar with a triple-tongued bluesy scale." Rather, she'd describe to Shorter that it was late at night, maybe raining outside, but they're inside a smoky nightclub, women in evening gowns and men in coats and ties, and "NOW play your sax with this in mind..." It's an abstract approach to music but she obviously has figured out how to put it all together. :-) Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:49:33 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Companion is Awesome From: "Hobbs, Rick - TP2RDH" Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:38:03 -0800 Greetings Joni Fans: This is my first post to this discussion list, but have been watching this People's Party for about a week now. I received the Companion book about a week ago and am still reading it. I also think it is great, a real retrospective and very flattering to our lady of the canyons. I'm up to the long Mingus interview, which I finished this AM. I'm glad to meet other fans and look forward to getting to know you better. Rick Hobbs Hollywood, California USA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:58:14 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: real good for free Scott wrote: > My impression is that Joni really does imagine, say, a bird chirping, and then fiddles with the guitar >strings until the chord shape is what she's looking for. She does not have any concept of what key >she's playing or composing in...only working toward an overall sound and feeling that she's trying to >convey. This is part of why it's always been difficult to transcribe her music into notes and staffs >because it defies "standard" notation. In the promotional video for Hits and Misses, filmed around her property in British Columbia, Joni discusses tuning to nature and there is a segment with her sitting on a cliff overlooking the ocean and strumming the sounds she hears on the guitar. Kakki NP: Steely Dan - Black Cow ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:23:49 +1100 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Coupon Codes - NJC I found a new Coupon Code for Barnes & Noble CZBHW9G $10 off $10 order It worked this morning (Friday) when I ordered some CD's. Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:01:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Coupon Codes - NJC Just worked for me, also. Ordered Diana Krall. Thanks all you coupon clippin' Joni Freaks. Jerry On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Alan Lorimer wrote: > I found a new Coupon Code for Barnes & Noble > > CZBHW9G $10 off $10 order > > It worked this morning (Friday) when I ordered some CD's. > > Alan Lorimer > Hawley Beach > Tasmania > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 22:12:25 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: The Second Coming NJC As I have said many times before, Slouching is one of my favourite, if not the favourite, Joni tracks. I love it in the car but particulalry like it on the headphones, especially if i am in the dark. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 22:19:24 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: childcare NJC I see nothing wrong with daycare, babysitters etc and agree that it takes a village to raise a child(see my post yesterday about child abuse being enabled to happen). however, I did find that snippet about Melissa&Julie being homw, doing other things, while someone esle saw to the baby, jarring for me. I would have thought that it these intimate things that build the bond. It really is an intimate thing to feed a baby, clean a baby, cuddle a baby etc. If I had one, and when at home(which i would hope was a lot) I would want to be the primary care giver-with help. Not have a nanny be the primary caregiver. I know dogs are not children, but I have a much closer relationship with those i raised from very young than from those i raised from older. I would not allow anyone else to train my puppies if I was keeping it. Nor feed it etc. Maybe it is just me but I just feel this way. I feel that intimacy and the bonding with a baby are so important, i wouldn't want it to be handed over to one or more others. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:38:06 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: population NJC Catherine McKay wrote: > Randy said: > > > A moritorium on breeding until we solve the famine, war, > > > pollution, and other problems does not seem unreasonable. > > > > Colin replied: > >Compulsory neutering is a brilliant idea. We could start by >preventing > >those we > >don't like from breeding-...ah but I think this would cause more >problems > >than > >we are trying to solve. > Not problems if we denied breeding rights to those who own albums by any 3 of the following: Spice Girls, Brittney Spears, Puff Daddy, Kenny G, Garth Brooks. An injunction on breeding until a full hearing can be held by those who do any one of the following: vote Republican, have pictures of Prince Charles in their homes, call Margaret the Bitch Thatcher by the fraud name "Lady Thatcher", and who think that Joni Mitchell is a folk singer from the 60s. The loss of breeding rights for 1 child a decade to those who watch "So You Want To be a Millionaire", "Greed". "21", and old reruns of Dallas or Dynasty. An extra breeding permit to those who watch the Talented Mr. Ripley and - other issues aside - are considering, mmmm, Jude Law or Matt Damon? :-) :-) :-) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:33:43 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: UK import duties (NJC) Chris wrote:- >>$44? >Well, that might be bearable... if I lived in the USA. But >I don't. Therefore, I'll lay bets that BSN will be over >?40, possibly towards ?50 when it gets here. >That's the beauty of shipping goods to the UK, from a supplier's >standpoint: you get to swap the dollar sign for a pound >sign, perhaps add a few pounds too, and go "ooooh, it's the >shipping guv'nor". >As some comedy program once observed... "what mugs we are..." - - --Chris (who knows that in reality he can just go to cdnow.com and brave import duties) I regularly buy from cdnow and sometimes get caught for import duties - I think you pay them if the order is valued at over 18 pounds. On top of that, the post office slap on a hefty charge for collecting the duty and the whole deal becomes less good, obviously. I'm wondering how the amount of duty is arrived at - i.e. is it a proportion of the value of the goods or is it a fixed amount in which case it might be worth our getting together and making a bulk order to cdnow for BSN? Anyone know? Jacky (trying to work out a way to obtain BSN at an acceptable price) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 15:06:16 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: population NJC Reverend Vince, I am outraged! Your suggestions to limit breeding privileges based on cultural interests that agree with your own are heinous! How could you ever think of such pre-meditated social engineering? What are you doing, trying to Play God? How dare you indulge in such megalomaniacal fantasy? You reprehensible, Hitlerian monster! By the way, you forgot to restrict breeding rights for fans of professional wrestling... Now wait, we would have to exclude those enlightened souls who don't like the sport but who watch WWF occasionally because of solely artistic appreciation of the muscular male form ensconced in tights... (lest they call me a homophobe again). You know, this could get ugly. There's no way our humble JMDL could handle genetically engineering an entire population. For crying out loud, we can't even agree on whether we all like "Dog Eat Dog" or not! Maybe we should let the Religious Right do it, since they know everything about everything. Now wait... Hell, let's just let David Crosby be father to every child conceived from this point on... (Deja Vu, Vu, Vu, Vu, and so on) More sarcastic than usual, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:28:01 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Both Sides, Now doesn't come cheap! NJC > Don problemizes: > > > I'm sticking to my guns ... but it's NOT the special > > packaging I object to at all -- the fact is, if like > > the previous offerings, it came out around the $25 > > price point -- I'd buy it in a heartbeat. But $44 is > > gouging ... any considerations of history, creative > > inspiration or collectability aside. > > Kakki thinks and hopes: I don't think they are gouging over and above > normal profit margins. > Figuring the numbers, you would start out at $15 for the regular, stripped > down model. Then you add the options of 4 lithos, lyric sheets, special > tissue papers to separate the lithos, a custom-constructed silk box plus a > mystery surprise or surprises. What if the surprise is a ticket to an > upcoming concert? Or maybe an instant $10 off rebate ;-D who take me literally> Vince solves: Dan Rose uses that Sreven Hawkins time machine, goes to WalMart 4th of July 2000 sale, buys up all the candy box $44 BCNs that are in the discount bins selling for $9.99, brings them back to the presnt day, and we are all set. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:35:13 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Both Sides, Now doesn't come cheap! NJC MGVal@aol.com wrote: > Note to Joni: > > To pick up more male purchases, consider timing your next release to tie in > with Super Bowl Sunday. > > Just a thought. > > MG - Call it Botf Halves Now, names part of the album as in Songs to a Seagull the first half: the NFC the second half: the AFC Tonya Tucker sings a selection in tribuite to Joni at halftime Singing/talking frogs say "both" "sides" "now" instread of "bud" weis" "er" during the commercials Gap adds with dancers doing things to ":California" When the wide receiver blows by the cornerback, the announcer says, "he made a dancin' clown out of hin!" and she tops Puff Daddy on the charts on Monday morning! (the Rev) Vince, affect by the paint fumes in his half-painted apartment ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:51:08 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: off the list for a while You and your Mom are in prayer; lost my Mom in 1991 so I know what that is. and it is never easy, but God grieves with you... Love and support and prayers from all innthe JMDL Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:48:58 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Companion is Awesome NJC Rick writes: << This is my first post to this discussion list, but have been watching this People's Party for about a week now. I received the Companion book about a week ago and am still reading it. >> Welcome, Rick! I agree the Companion is a great read...I've been taking it slowly and really savoring all the details. Some of it I've already seen on Les' and Wally's site, but not much. Look forward to hearing more from you! Bob NP (now playing): Counting Crows, "St. Robinson's Cadillac Dream" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:58:18 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: BSN for the academic Catherine McKay wrote: > >(the Rev) Vince, taking a second collection on Sunday for BSN > > I knew it! I KNEW they weren't REALLY taking that second collection > for some > altruistic, charity thing - just make sure you have a BSN night and > invite > the whole parish out. It's the "Keep-the-Rev-sane" collection! > > Catherine (in Toronto) > cateri@hotmail.com The Bible study/Scriptural reflection session will be entitled: The Ontological meets the Transcendent: The Eschatological Revelation in the Theophonophic Message of God's Troubadour Joni Mitchell, an exercise in the dialectic of both sides now: Hegelian synthesis or Melanchthonic tension?. Epistoligcal and Hermenutical implication shall also be considered Figure I can charge $300 for the seminar, give 4 Continuing Educational Credits, and get a tax deduction on BSN when I but it. Catherine, coming to the seminar? Registration is limited! By popular demand I can do this is at a JoniFest and make your attendance partly deductible, and prove that the art world can't hold a candle to the Theology world when it comes to insider jargon! > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:56:05 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: population NJC In a message dated 1/13/00 5:23:43 PM US Central Standard Time, Louis.Lynch@wonderware.com writes: << By the way, you forgot to restrict breeding rights for fans of professional wrestling... >> Hey, the sad truth is that the people y'all are talking about are the ones poppin' out all the kids! And going to a professional wrestling show is a total HOOT, by the way...the show is watching the crowd! Bob NP: Counting Crows, bonus track ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:08:26 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: population NJC Louis Lynch wrote: > > > By the way, you forgot to restrict breeding rights for fans of professional > wrestling... > MAJOR OVERSIGHT > > Now wait, we would have to exclude those enlightened souls who don't like > the sport but who watch WWF occasionally because of solely artistic > appreciation of the muscular male form ensconced in tights... (lest they > call me a homophobe again). PUT ALL FSN OF THE WWF IN THE RING AND THE OIINE WHO COMES OUT ALIVE, THAT IS IT. > > > You know, this could get ugly. There's no way our humble JMDL could handle > genetically engineering an entire population. For crying out loud, we can't > even agree on whether we all like "Dog Eat Dog" or not! PEOPLE WHO DISLIKE DED ARE CONDEMNED TO SEARCING CIGARETTE MACINES FOR A FRESH PACKAGE FOR ALL ETERNITY > > > Maybe we should let the Religious Right do it, since they know everything > about everything. REMIND RELIGIOUS RIGHT THAT SEX IS EVIL AND ENCOURAGE CELIBABCY TO PRESERVE HOLINESS > > > > Now wait... > > Hell, let's just let David Crosby be father to every child conceived from > this point on... (Deja Vu, Vu, Vu, Vu, and so on) AND THIS IS A WINNER IDEA, AND HAS THE ADVANTAGE THAT IF THE SOLE MALE OBJECT FOR SEX FOP FEMALES WAS DAVID CROSBY, THE NUMBERS OF LESBIANS WOULD INCREASE EXPONENTALLY > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:21:21 -0500 (EST) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: TRIAD 2000 (NJC) Apologies to Croz and his "ladies" :) TRIAD 2000 You want to know how it will be you and her with sperm from me* you both sit there soon you'll be showing our babes are alive your belly is growing saying to me, "what can we do now that we both have you?" and I have you too but I don't really see, why can't we make kids as three? You are afraid embarrased too no one has ever in your whole life put such a thing in you Dr. Spock's ghost stands at your shoulder kids on ice? how could that be colder? sayin, "you can not do that it breaks all the rules, mess with gene pools" but I don't really see why can't we make kids as three? You know we love each other it's plain to see there's just one answer comes to me sister lovers, let's make a pair of baby brothers and in time, maybe others so you see what we can do is inseminate you (that is, if you're crazy, too) cause I don't really see why can't we make kids as... three gdave & *Jelly ©2000 *=inspiration and first 4 lines ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:27:52 -0800 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: NJC-LACE interview and ordering help From: SMTP%"Postmaster@sfpl.lib.ca.us" 13-JAN-2000 16:26:46.40 To: DARICEM CC: Subj: Undeliverable Mail Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:26:41 -0800 From: Postmaster@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: Undeliverable Mail To: Message-ID: Bad address -- Error -- Nameserver error: Unknown host Start of returned message Received: by nora.sfpl.lib.ca.us for JONI@SMOE.LIST; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:26:41 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:26:41 -0800 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us To: JONI@SMOE.LIST Message-Id: <000113162641.204ab928@sfpl.lib.ca.us> Subject: NJC- Lace interview and order info I have been piling up digest and then marathon reading. Can anyone help me get a tape of the LACE interview (I have several other people here in the Bay Area that I can pass it on to). Also, I have a $10 CDNow coupon (with a long internet address). How do I use that while still logging in from Wally's or Les' site? TIA, Darice End of returned message ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 01:18:24 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: population NJC > and > who think that Joni Mitchell is a folk singer from the 60s. What about those who think she was a folk singer in the 60's? > > > Dynasty. Does that include watching only one(recently) where they all got machine gunned down? > > > Matt Damon? ick! Give my Keanu over Mr Lips anyday! > > > :-) :-) :-) > > Vince - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 01:21:57 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: TRIAD 2000 (NJC) gr8fuldave wrote: An NJC post! oh dear, Dave, what could have happened? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:05:32 -0800 From: "rick novosel" Subject: Re: Melissa story...NJC You wouldn't believe how hard it is to catch up on your reading if you've let five digests pile up! For one last (hopefully) kick at the can: Has anyone else noticed the stunning difference between the way Melissa and Julie handled this whole business compared to the way Jodie Foster handled the "fathering" of her child? No one asks (or is allowed to ask) and she does not seem to need to make a media event out of it. She had a child, she's the mother, the rest is nobody's business. The difference between a class act versus a crass act? Rick, apologizing to any Melissa fans in advance, but, sheesh, Rolling Stone! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:13:27 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: 2000 Purchases (VLJC) I wonder what albums the Listers purchase these early days of January 2000. I usually mark an important occasion or event by buying a CD. Some people find this too quirky, but I remember an event more whenever I play the CD. This time, I started the year by purchasing albums I long wanted to buy and which are in different "genre". Its an eclectic bunch. Some were released many years back but I didn't have the resources for its purchase: Jim Chappell - Dusk (solo piano at its most sublime, esp. "Gone") Kenia - (great bossa nova sound, esp. her version of "Over the Rainbow") Manhattan Transfer - Swing (a romping stomp from the 4 vocal virtuousos) Jaco Pastorius - eponymous (great great talent and the brilliance to make the bass sound beyond what I usually associate it to sound. "Donna Lee" is a stand-out here. Trane will be glad) Ethel Merman - Gypsy (Original Broadway Cast). This woman has an enormous range and sounds heartbreaking in songs that I did not expect to sound this touching. Songs like "Everything's Coming Up Roses", "Small World", and "Rose's Turn". I heard that Tyne Daly (sp?) and Bette Midler also had records of this musical. I like the Jule Styne's music and Sondheim's lyrics. I wonder what Merman album can I purchase to equal the quality of singing she demonstrated in this 1959 recording. Joseph np: Genai's "Africa" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:27:28 -1000 (HST) From: ubingo@webtv.net (bingo) Subject: aloha send aloha, blessings, ma'na, & more from H.A. mahalo (thanks) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #23 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?