From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #16 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 11 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 016 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- "Soloman kept his head in all his glory"? [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] "Soloman kept his head in all his glory"? [Vince Lavieri ] Re: more on Joni in S'toon ["Kakki" ] Re: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) [Deb Messling ] Re: ZPG NJC [waytoblu@mindspring.com] RE: "Soloman kept his head in all his glory"? ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: NJC the year 2000 [john low ] Re: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Goodbye Blue Sky! [Michael Paz ] Re: Amour, mama, not cheap display! [Kathleen Kajioka ] Damn the torpedoes (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: JONI IN NEW ORLEANS!!!!!!! ["Mark T. Domyancich" ] "don't believe the hype...(njc) [KerriLynn@aol.com] Amour, mama, not cheap display! [evian ] Crosby (njc) [evian ] more on Joni in S'toon [evian ] Re: Crosby (njc) [Scott Price ] Re: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: ZPG NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: JONI IN NEW ORLEANS!!!!!!! [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: JONI IN NEW ORLEANS!!!!!!! ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:40:51 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: "Soloman kept his head in all his glory"? Speaking of HOSL lyrics,I was wondering yesterday,why does joni say this line in "The Boho Zone"?In the bible,Soloman let the glory go to his head,he didn't keep his head.At least that's how I understand it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:06:18 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) > In any case, I don't think Melissa Etheridge should be singled out and > branded as selfish and self-indulgent just because she is famous/ and or a > lesbian. I mean she's just a human being just like everyone else and has > the same kind of dreams, desires, hopes and fears. > > Victor Well said, Victor. I would just like to add this thought. If it is selfish & self-indulgent for a same sex couple to want to somehow have a child from their own genetic material rather than adopt, doesn't it follow that it is also selfish & self-indulgent for a hetero couple to do the same rather than adopt? Who wants to make that call? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:15:04 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: ZPG NJC catman wrote in the midst of Bill's post:: > > > > > > [Bill] The - I have to reproduce even though human population is > > skyrocketing out of control- > > [catman] Atpresent there are more than enough resources for everyone to > live a > decent life. Unfoprtunately, loads of us have too much and excess food > is destroyed rather than distributed.Melissa having children didn't > cause this nor will it exacerbate it. > > > [Bill] mentality bugs me a bit. > > > > Bill > > I am with Bill on this one, and Lou too. And that is a gay man with two adopted children, who has worked in foster care and can show you the catalogue size book that comes out every mouth of all the children available for adoption who are never adopted because they are the wrong color (not white), wrong age (now infant), wrong color eyes (not blue), and may or may not have special needs. I would have preferred a famous person to show the way in adopting a special needs child, and gay or lesbian couples can do that in many states, and I somehow believe that Melissa Etheridge has the connections to have done that. The genetic implications of David Crosby's DNA... well now this isn't private and the whole privacy of these children is forever destroyed now that sperm-dad is known. For years we will be read in People and the Evening Star whether Gay Singer's Children Meet/Don't Meet Love/Reject Famous Singing Dad. Loving this children now that they are here would suggest not invading their privacy. Oh sure, David Crosby should be picked because he has a wonderful voice and is musical. What happens if the kids have no instincts that way? "I bred you to play and sing and you will..." This is potentially too much of a load for these kids, to have extra expectations because of their test tube breeding. Being a child is hard enough without being bred. And what will happen if the kids grow up with Crosby's affections for drugs and guns and going to jail and obesity... these kids may grow up to be just like David Crosby. The worst thing is when we get what we ask for. There are too many abandoned kids out there, and now two more than need be. Not everyone can be Mia Farrow and adopt groups, but someone taking a child without a home or family, that is love, not spending tens of thousands on science projects for procreation. That Etheridge and her partner are lesbians has nothing to do with this argument. This is about two people well connected and well financed who could have reached out to children without love, with a home, without a family. Instead, they used their wealth and connections for design your own. Two more mouths in the world won't cause global hunger, but they could have chosen a better way. Is this any of my business? It wasn't, until they went oh so chic public with it. I feel sorry for the kids... the ones who didn't get adopted, the ones who are now freak show exhibits for trash tv and trash journals and gossip everywhere. And I think I will call my non-biologically connected grandson, son of my adopted son, who is my life and my future more than any genetic connection could ever create, because it is about unconditional love, not dna... (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:24:01 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: "Soloman kept his head in all his glory"? Jesus was a beggar - he was rich in grace And Solomon kept his head in all his glory It's just that some steps outside the Boho dance have a fascination for me. Boho Dance I can't speak for Joni but I suspect that she is comparing the humility/humble life style of Jesus with the ornate riches of Solomon (both sons of David in some sense, for what it is worth). There are far more diligent and wise Joni scholars than me in here so I now step back for the experts to speak... (the Rev) Vince Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > Speaking of HOSL lyrics,I was wondering yesterday,why does joni say this > line in "The Boho Zone"?In the bible,Soloman let the glory go to his head,he > didn't keep his head.At least that's how I understand it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:16:16 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Amour, mama, not cheap display! I recall her saying that her upbringing in (mid?) western Canada was strictly English, despite the multilingual cereal boxes and things. I've known some English-speaking Canadians who are actually somewhat touchy on the subject of French. But I could imagine Joni embracing French out of sheer rebellion. At 10:27 AM 1/10/00 -0800, you wrote: >I'm probably opening mouth, inserting foot and chewing >vigorously on this one -- but could Joni's Canadian >upbringing be the simplest explanation for her love of >things French? > Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:28:04 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: more on Joni in S'toon Evian wrote: >Just talked to the cranky man from the Mendel. The >tentative date for the Joni exhibit is June 30th, which just >happens to fall on the weekend of my frigging family >reunion, where I offered to put up a crapload of cousins, >and on a day that I have to work... So, I am hoping they >change the date, or I will have to just leave the house keys >in the mailbox and call in sick to work, go to Saskatoon, >and hire a fat actor to play me at the family reunion! Evian, take a deep breath and start planning how to slip out of the house. It will only be a few hours out of that Friday night and you might even be able to fit in the JMDL afterparty over at the Bessborough ;-D Thanks for the updates. Kakki NP: Lani Hall - Amor De Indio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:33:01 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) If I may chime in, I wouldn't presume to judge anyone for wanting to have their own biological child, despite the obvious overpopulation in the world. Logic may deem this desire "selfish," but the human heart isn't necessarily logical. More power to Melissa and Julie for following their hearts. That said, I'm a little uncomfortable with the genetic-engineering aspects of picking a father because he's musical or athletic or handsome or whatever - this goes for hetero or same-sex. Rather than try to manufacture x-y-z qualities in my kid, I feel more comfortable with the notion of trusting to luck and loving the kid however s/he turns out. At 06:06 PM 1/10/00 -0800, you wrote: >I would just like to add this thought. If it is selfish & >self-indulgent for a same sex couple to want to somehow have a child >from their own genetic material rather than adopt, doesn't it follow >that it is also selfish & self-indulgent for a hetero couple to do the >same rather than adopt? Who wants to make that call? Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:45:53 -0500 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: ZPG NJC >> > > >The genetic implications of David Crosby's DNA... well now this isn't >private and the whole privacy of these children is forever destroyed now >that sperm-dad is known. This may or may not have any impact on their privacy. The tabloids exist regardless but I choose to ignore them. When I heard that David Crosby was the father I thought "hmm that's interesting" and then went on with my own life. >Oh sure, David Crosby should be picked because he has a wonderful voice >and is musical. What happens if the kids have no instincts that way? "I >bred you to play and sing and you will..." This is potentially too much >of a load for these kids, to have extra expectations because of their >test tube breeding. Maybe there were other reasons behind this that are not known or shared. Also, musical talent is a gift, something that should be nurtured and allowed to develop. But if there is no musical aptitude then why can't these children be loved for who they are? Who said there were extra expectations? Certainly you can hope for something or want your children to follow in your line of work but why should you assume that these parents are like the ones on "Dead Poets Society"? > There are too many abandoned kids out there, and now two more than need >be. Not everyone can be Mia Farrow and adopt groups, but someone taking >a child without a home or family, that is love, not spending tens of >thousands on science projects for procreation. These kids are not abandoned. Also they should not be called a "science project". They deserve love as much as any other child, abandoned or otherwise. > That Etheridge and her partner are lesbians has nothing to do with this >argument. This is about two people well connected and well financed who >could have reached out to children without love, with a home, without a >family. Instead, they used their wealth and connections for design your >own. Two more mouths in the world won't cause global hunger, but they >could have chosen a better way. > As Mark said earlier, if Melissa was not a lesbian but was a heterosexual woman and bore a child would you still be so critical of her? >Is this any of my business? It wasn't, until they went oh so chic public >with it. > It is this kind of attitude that keeps children like Melissa's from having privacy. >I feel sorry for the kids... the ones who didn't get adopted. I haven't adopted any children and neither has my roommate. Should I feel more sorry for them because of that? the ones >who are now freak show exhibits for trash tv and trash journals and >gossip everywhere. > Trash tv and trash journals belong in the trash. Why don't you leave them there. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 00:39:05 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: "Soloman kept his head in all his glory"? well, yes, but when god asked solomon what he wanted most in the world, he answered wisdom. and then there are all the stories about solomon passing judgement wisely [the story of the two women fighting over who was the real mother of the child, the story of the hard-boiled egg,] at least in legend, solomon has remained as a representation of wisdom and level-headedness. you know, like when you say a "solomonic decision" . > > Speaking of HOSL lyrics,I was wondering yesterday,why does joni say this > > line in "The Boho Zone"?In the bible,Soloman let the glory go to his head,he > > didn't keep his head.At least that's how I understand it. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:49:31 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) Geez, for those of us also on the CSNY list (who are also sending in a ton of posts about this) it's getting difficult to follow which is coming from where ;-) One thing I have not seen addressed yet on either list is the one thing that bothered me about this arrangement - the report that Crosby does not intend to parent these children in any way. Not to take anything away from Melissa and Julie, but this is the one thing that seems "artificial" to me. Now that's it's out in the open and acknowledged, why wouldn't all concerned want the biological father to be involved in these childrens' lives in some way. And what about Crosby's other children, including his young son Django? Shouldn't they be involved to some extent with their siblings. Maybe I'm just obtuse or old-fashioned about it. But the report that Crosby plans no involvement at all struck me as cold and weird. Kakki NP: Lani Hall - Varadero ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 14:49:3 +1100 From: john low Subject: Re: NJC the year 2000 Kakki wrote: "A friend of mine's father is now in his 70s and has been through so much in is life yet still likes to occasionally play Creedence Clearwater and the Rolling Stones full blast from his stereo!" This is something to aspire to! "Oh thank God you didn't go for the work-related list, John!! Go toward the light, go toward the light! ;-)" I'm trying, I'm trying!! In my dotage I'll still being singing along with Dylan: "ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now"! John (in Sydney). __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 17:05:03 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) I don't want to start a flame war, and this will be my one and only comment on this subject on this list, but this post really got my blood boiling, I'm afraid, and I need to address these points one by one: Harper Lou said: >I think I'm liberal enough to accept that two gay women (or men) have a >right to raise a child. >However, there are so many unwanted children in the world who need good >parents. >If gay women are serious enough about wanting a family, why don't they show >their "love" and adopt one of the already born children who desperately >needs a loving home. True, there are many unwanted children in the world, but why should gay couples feel obliged to adopt, rather than have a child by the most natural means available to them? Plenty of heterosexual couples have children by alternative means, including articifial insemination, surrogate parents, in-vitro fertilisation, etc. Why should a woman in a single-sex relationship (or any kind of relationship, for that matter) be vilified for wanting to carry, and give birth to a child herself? And what does gender, sexual orientation, lifestyle, race, monetary status, etc. have to do with the desire to procreate? >Instead, these two decided to engineer one. The news article said they >chose Crosby because musical talent is "really important to Melissa." I >agree, Bill, their priorities seem really skewed. It smacks of such >selfishness and self indulgence -- picking children that match your >lifestyle, like you would furniture or a wardrobe. Again, I disagree. Plenty of women use sperm banks, where you can pick and choose from any number of attributes. And why on earth would they want a donor whose lifestyle was completely different from their own? Would a heterosexual woman choose to have children with man who had a completely different lifestyle and code of ethics from her own? Of course not! To my mind, Crosby is a perfect choice! >Regardless of their sexual preference, what sad role models these two women >are. Role models? Why does every gay person in the public eye have to be a "role model" for the gay community? Why can't they just be allowed to live their lives as they see fit? >If I were gay, I would be downright furious at both of them -- no wonder >gays pushing for spousal rights have such a hard time being taken seriously. >Why would a famous gay couple publicize a "family" that is bound to be seen >negatively by so many people? It's way too bizarre to win them points with >the powers that be. For a start, they're not famous because they're gay, Melissa Etheridge is famous for being a rock musician, and Julie Cypher was once married to Lou Diamond Phillips. It's the media that sensationalise their sexual preference. Mind you, if things like this ARE sensationalised more often, hopefully more people will start to say "so what?" and it will cease to be such a big deal. And by the way, exactly who are the "powers that be" that they are trying to "win points" with? >The decision about how to create children is theirs, of course, but they >should have kept the details to themselves. >No offense to Crosby, though. The more singing voices like that in the >world, the better. Well, you've summed it up yourself. The decision about how to create children is theirs. Full stop. But to quote the article in question: "The couple said they decided to go public because they were sick of the questions and wanted to live an open life." The only area we agree on is Crosby's involvement. You're absolutely right there, the more singing voices like that in the world, the better. I didn't intend to rant quite as much as I did on this subject, and I also don't mean to cause offense (or start a flame war!), but I basically read this as though you are saying that gay couples should have a separate and different set of "rules" than heterosexual couples, or any other kind of couple, and to me, that's just not acceptable! Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:13:57 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: JONI IN NEW ORLEANS!!!!!!! I can't stand it anymore. I can't keep it to myself any longer. Here it is! My boss informed me that he got a call from a friend of his who is working as Joni's road manager. He says she is booked to play the NATPE Convention (TV producers and actors etc.) later this month for a private show on the 28th of January at a local hotel ballroom. He also says they require a place to rehearse for 5 days before the show starting on the 23rd. He asked me to check on a few places we have used in the past for other artists that had specific requirements, which I did. He said he thought they would probably use our location at the office because they needed it at night only and it would not effect our business. I still have no confirmation on all of this but had to let the rest of you know. I asked him to talk to management and let him know that I had 600 or so of my closest friends that would be interested in padding this private audience to insure a gracious audience of fans that appreciate her music. As soon as I have more details I will let you guys know and do my best to get you access to the show if any of you crazies can make it. I am sorry I could not divulge this sooner, but I felt it was in my best interest at work. I was also certain that someone else might have heard something by now. I hope we are able to confirm this within the next couple of days. My best to you, Michael NP-Take Five(Take Another Five)-Grover Washington, Jr./The Columbia Years ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:38:23 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Goodbye Blue Sky! Sue wrote: "Joni was joined onstage by flutist James Galway, performing with a pre-recorded backing track on the song "Goodbye, Blue Sky." She also re-appeared at the finale and sang a few solo lines for "The Tide Is Turning" clustered with Sinead O'Connor, Thomas Dolby and Bryan Adams at one side of an elevated platform." Hi Sue Happy New Years! Thanks for mentioning this. I just pulled out my copy of The Wall Live cause I haven't hear this in so long. Wow! Her voice sounded so great on this tune. Let ALL the walls come tumbling down. I guess it's time to burn a new CD with obscure Joni stuff on it. Oh if only there was more time in the day... Cheers, Michael NP-Goodbye Blue Sky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:55:33 -0500 From: Kathleen Kajioka Subject: Re: Amour, mama, not cheap display! David Wright wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Don Rowe wrote: > > could Joni's Canadian upbringing be the simplest explanation for her > > love of things French? > > I wouldn't think so, because isn't Quebec (in eastern Canada) > the main French-Canadian province, whereas Joni comes from the open > prairie of the midwest? > > --David Agreed. In English Canada, I can't say that there's a huge romanticization of all things french on the basis of the presence of Quebec--in many regions I would even say it's quite the opposite. But even if it is true, the French influence through Quebec is largely a different animal than that from France. Though they share a similar spirit, they are essentially two different cultures. I would think Joni picked it up from 'France proper'. Kathleen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:07:38 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Damn the torpedoes (NJC) Wally the K wrote: " took the words out of my mouth!!!! now that michael is back, i can say it: HOW SALACIOUS!!!" Oh Wally you didn't have to wait for me to get back! Besides it's salacious only if you consider that the boy thought he could turn the dyke into something he was not.... Michael (back and I'm black and WELL rested) NP-Hey You-Still The Live Wall ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:06:47 -0600 From: "Mark T. Domyancich" Subject: Re: JONI IN NEW ORLEANS!!!!!!! This is incredible, Michael! Any idea of what she will perform? I kinda get the impression it will be like the Reprise Music Show.... count me in as one who's interested! NPIMH-Sweet Sucker Dance At 10:13 PM -0600 1/10/00, Michael Paz wrote: >My boss informed me that he got a call from a friend of his who is >working as Joni's road manager. He says she is booked to play the NATPE >Convention (TV producers and actors etc.) later this month for a private show on the 28th of January at a local hotel ballroom. Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:09:38 +1100 From: john low Subject: Slouching Towards Bethlehem A bit of ‘Joni spotting’ down under: For what I guess are obvious reasons, “Slouching Towards Bethlehem” has been a song much on my mind in recent weeks. So, when I spotted Joni’s name in the literary section of “The Sydney Morning Herald” last weekend, I was not surprised to find that it was in relation to this song. A local academic and literary critic, in an article on millenarian "doomsaying", mentioned the fact that she had set the central image in W. B. Yeats’s poem “The Second Coming” to music. I was interested to read, too, that Norman Mailer considered this poem to be the “most important poem of the 20th century”. I guess I’m not the only one to have this song (and poem) on their mind at this time! John (in Sydney). __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 00:17:30 EST From: KerriLynn@aol.com Subject: "don't believe the hype...(njc) hey guys... can i just say one thing??? hello? do you really think that melissa and her partner would reveal the "ACTUAL" identity of the "father".... c'mon... they probably just wanted to shut everyone up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! toooooooo funny.... np: roberta flack - the first time.... ever i saw.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:40:30 -0600 From: evian Subject: Amour, mama, not cheap display! Don Rowe wonders, > 'm probably opening mouth, inserting foot and chewing > vigorously on this one -- but could Joni's Canadian > upbringing be the simplest explanation for her love of > things French? > Hell no... not on the prairies, anyway. Here you see bigtime resentment against Quebec, and French really is a small minority of Saskatchewan culture... I'd say the biggest ethnic groups here are Aboriginal, Ukrainian, and Germans... I did a paper on this once, and I think that is what the results were. Anyway, I think it's safe to say that Joni's love of all things French doesn't stem from just being Canadian. Basically, French Canada is like a foreign land to most people on the prairies. I dunno, Kate in Alberta, you are from Saskatchewan too, what do you think? I can't think of any French influence apart from a few French Metis settlements around Duck Lake.Evian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:58:23 -0600 From: evian Subject: Crosby (njc) Ok, am I just being a tad critical, but really... I love Melissa a lot, and literally wore out her first album, and I really dig Crosby.... that being said, what the hell were Missy and Julie thinking?? With their status, they could have had their pick of sperm donors... and no offence to Crosby, but if I was in Missy and Julie's position, I think I would have opted for perhaps someone else. I mean, Crosby is a great artist, and he may be a good friend of theirs, but he has had severe drug abuse problems, alcohol problems, etc. Right there, that would make me say "whoa". I mean, Rosie O'donnell, who adopted another child last month, said she would never give birth because of the alcoholism in her family, and even though I wouldn't hesitate because of that, it is still something to think about when you have all the choices of a donor. I think that by announcing Cros as the biological father will really make life confused and circus-like for the kids, because it will forever be the Hollywood noveltly of "those famous people and the famous sperm donor". As well, and here I will sound cynical again, I just have this feeling that sooner or later, Cros will be going on and on about the kids, etc. I dunno, all the best to them, but I think they are inviting unintentional trauma on the kids by announcing Cros as the father while they are so young, since the media is eating this up. Moreover, the whole health issue, while it doesn't stop most people from having children, is still something I'd think about if I was to pick a sperm donor. God, I just read this over, and I sound so fickle.... but I mean... David Crosby?? I just assumed the donor was Brad Pitt all along.... I was shocked at this revelation. I can just imagine what Joni had to say about this one! Evian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 00:09:45 -0600 From: evian Subject: more on Joni in S'toon Kakki counselled: > Evian, take a deep breath and start planning how to slip out of the house. > It will only be a few hours out of that Friday night and you might even be > able to fit in the JMDL afterparty over at the Bessborough ;-D > Hehehehe, don't worry, I'll think of something! I started a new job last week, and I work there one day a week until May 1st, when I start full time (hopefully my thesis, if not the defense, and language requirement will be done by then). So, I am going to have to be crafty in asking for a day off for June 30th, but damnit, they better give it to me! As for the reunion, I am thinking that I can somehow miss Friday night, and I'll just creep home Saturday morning with a hangover and still get to see all those wackos, errr.. I mean... relatives.... on Saturday. But God, it's the story of my life to have all this stuff happen at once! Brian also asked: > Who do you love more, the JMDL or your relatives?? :-) > I can't answer that, some of them have computers and can access the archives ;)Anyway, I'll let you all know when the date is FOR SURE confirmed... I am just puzzled that they are doing this when I thought they would wait until the time when Joni got her honourary degree.... Evian, who has practically gotten diarrhea wondering if this still constitutes Joni Content. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:06:55 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Crosby (njc) At 11:58 PM 1/10/00, evian wrote: >David Crosby?? I just assumed the donor was Brad Pitt all >along.... I was shocked at this revelation. I can just imagine what >Joni had to say about this one! Ummm.... "test tube tailgater?" :-) Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 01:23:07 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) In a message dated 1/10/2000 7:18:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: << I don't see anything wrong with choosing David Crosby for a father. As was said earlier, he probably has some great music genes. But it really isn't any of my business and I really don't know anything about how they hooked up with each other and I don't think it is my place to call them selfish or self indulgent. Why not choose him? >> H emight have good music genes but doesn't he also carry a recessive gene that makes him prone to alcholism? I love David but I think she could have chosen a better sperm donor..... Cat.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 01:29:34 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: ZPG NJC In a message dated 1/10/2000 9:10:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << And what will happen if the kids grow up with Crosby's affections for drugs and guns and going to jail and obesity... these kids may grow up to be just like David Crosby. The worst thing is when we get what we ask for. >> That is what I said. I love David Crosby but would not want his genes or even his jeans for that matter! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:58:14 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: JONI IN NEW ORLEANS!!!!!!! Michael wrote: <> This is wonderful news Michael! If this can get confirmed and the audience isn't limited to *just* convention attenders, this could actually be do-able for quite a few listers, at least from the States. I went back to Yahoo travel to look up RT fares to New Orleans, and they're excellent. From Boston $162, from Philly $172, from Miami $152, from Chicago $178-197, from Seattle $188, from Portland $178, from L.A. $198. And a lot of the airlines have extended or added flights so these prices also fit the N.O. Jonifest window. (they had ended 3/31) Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:29:42 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: JONI IN NEW ORLEANS!!!!!!! Penny wrote: >This is wonderful news Michael! If this can get confirmed >and the audience isn't limited to *just* convention >attenders, this could actually be do-able for quite a few >listers, at least from the States. Me, too! Thank you Michael for letting us know and thinking of us. It would be a dream come true if a few jmdlers could squeeze in. Wish I had some NAPTE connections and could get a few extra badges! I'm also very curious as to whether Joni might preview some new material at the show. > I went back to Yahoo travel to look up RT fares to New >Orleans, and they're excellent. From Boston $162, from >Philly $172, from Miami $152, from Chicago $178-197, >from Seattle $188, from Portland $178, from L.A. $198. >And a lot of the airlines have extended or added flights so >these prices also fit the N.O. Jonifest window. (they had >ended 3/31) Thanks for alerting us, Penny! These are incredible fares that many of us can take advantage of for Jonifest, too. Kakki, going to check her credit card balance now ;-) NPIMH: Dusty Springfield - Wishin' and Hopin' ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #16 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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