From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #15 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, January 10 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 015 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC the year 2000 [Scott Price ] Re: njc or not njc? NJC ["rick novosel" ] Re: NJC the year 2000 - I'm rambling again, sorry! ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: NJC thoughts [Winfried Huehn ] BSN on CD-Now [Deb Messling ] practical magic [Sarah Schuckman ] Re: No Joni Content - Alternative for discussion [Susan McNamara ] Re: Joni and Pink Floyd [Susan McNamara ] [Fwd: [GN] On a lighter note] (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Amour, mama, not cheap display! [Susan McNamara ] Bits of NJC Interest ... [Don Rowe ] Anybody Need Some Lace? [Julian51469@aol.com] Video and DAT tree request, and ONE loaner report [Kleronomos@aol.com] Re: Amour, mama, not cheap display! [catman ] Re: Amour, mama, not cheap display! [Susan McNamara ] Re: lyrics [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Amour, mama, not cheap display! [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Amour, mama, not cheap display! [David Wright ] CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) ["Bill Dollinger" ] more on Joni in S'toon [evian ] Re: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) ["Alison Einerson" ] Subject: NJC: David Crosby ["Alison Einerson" ] Re: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) [waytoblu@mindspring.com] plug of the week #7642 (NJC) [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Re: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) [catman ] RE: plug of the week #7642 (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: Re: NJC the year 2000 At 11:31 PM 1/9/00, Kakki wrote: >Linda's post was beautiful. On New Year's Eve, I also remembered back to >when I was very young thinking of how I would be in the year 2000. I'm finding it most interesting that many of us spent part of New Year's Eve thinking about this. "Me too!" I remember in grade school thinking that I'd be a forty-something codger and actually wondered if I'd be dead of old age by then. Linda threw in a little Joni content with her reference to a reflection in a bank window, and this also had me thinking about how happy Joni seems these days. Many recent interviews find Joni telling us how much fun she's having now that she's in her 50s. In the KCSN tape she comes across as youthful, vibrant, content, experienced, and just generally happy. I'm starting to believe that upon turning 50 or 60 or 70 we will still have a lot of things to look forward to and I'm finding a lot of comfort in those thoughts. :-) Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:34:59 -0800 From: "rick novosel" Subject: Re: njc or not njc? NJC Jimmy writes > There is no surefire solution to please everyone on either list, so IMO > guitar players keep on talking about tunings, Peter keep on plugging, Laura > keep on finding me bargains, people keep on making me think and laugh, and > Joni keep on inspiring us all. > > and the rest of you hit the delete key I agree entirely with the listers who've expressed this opinion. I subscribe to the digest( and usually read it over breakfast) so I'm exposed to everything posted. Personally, I was bored by the whole limerick thing and I rarely read the plugs all the way through but, to me, this community is kind of like a big party. If you don't like the conversation in one corner, you wander (i.e. scroll, delete) over to another corner. Occasionally you'll overhear something that you really don't care to hear but so what! It would be great if we could all remember to post NJC when necessary or even figure out how much of a mention of Joni constitutes JC but if we slip up sometime, is it really that big a deal? Let's carry on being JMDLers and both contingents just cut the other some slack. Of course, no Joni-only listers will see this post. Oh well. Rick, trying not to watch one of his cats eating a mouse just outside the window. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:47:52 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: NJC the year 2000 - I'm rambling again, sorry! John wrote: >Like Linda, I can remember thinking as a child of what it would be >like in the year 2000 and calculating how old I would be. Ditto - and it's million miles from where I actually am, which is not a bad thing. Ah, the naivete of youth! But I'm certainly much happier where I am than I would be if I'd gone where I thought I was going. Read it again, and you'll get it! John also said: >It sounds silly, but when I was considering joining this list I found >myself feeling vaguely guilty about still enjoying rock music in my 50s! It's funny you brought this up. I was having a few drinks with friends at the Buckland's Beach Yacht Club last week - they're hosting the Louis Vuitton (America's Cup) Challenge. I've been out a couple of times to watch the racing, and it's quite spectacular close up! Anyway, we were chatting away, and I got talking to a friend's mother (she's 51) about music, and we discovered we had the same taste - Joni, CSN, James Taylor, etc. All 60's and 70's artists! But then I've always said that I was born 20 years too late (musically, that is)! But my friend's mother was surprised that we were into the same music - given an 18-year age difference - but very pleased to find a kindred spirit. We're planning a "session" sometime soon! But I started thinking about when musical tastes are formed, and I guess generally it's in the early-mid teens, which means anyone into 60's-70's music at it's onset would be about 45-55 years of age now, so John is not unusual! Of course the other argument is that good music is timeless, therefore Joni-lovers could be any age - and remember, Myrtle has said she dances round the kitchen to "Dancin' Clown"! Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:57:56 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: David Crosby - NJC Not sure if any Jimdlers are aware of this yet, but apparently it's just been reported (I heard it from three separate sources on the CSN list) that David Crosby is the biological father of Melissa Etheridge's two children - or rather, her partner's children. I may be wrong about that, but she was in NZ recently and said in an interview that her partner had carried the children, not her. Pretty cool choice for a father, though! Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:47:49 +0100 From: Winfried Huehn Subject: Re: NJC thoughts Vince writes: > I have learned a great deal from the NJC posts on subjects that I knew > nothing about, and had my vision expanded on other things where I > thought I had seen everything. I think it reflects well on Joni and the > people that she impacts that our discussions here can be so > free-wheeling and life encompassing. Woe be us all if our > conversations become limited and narrow. > I can only agree here -- Well stated, Vince! Also, one benefit of NJC is that it enables us to learn more about the individual that's posting to the list. However deceiving and awkward it may be to draw conclusions from a few written words, people will always tell something about themselves -- their tastes, their hobbies, their beliefs, whatever. This would be much harder if we had a limited range of discussion topics. If we only had JC here, the list would be much more anonymous and less appealing. Many posts don't interest me, and I often disagree, sometimes with the contents of a post, sometimes with the way it is expressed. Others will feel the same way about something I post. But I like the way people express themselves and put in their personalities here. And for this I gladly accept having to hit the delete-key a couple of times. Happy new year to everybody! Winfried in Germany ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:03:43 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: BSN on CD-Now CD-Now is taking advance orders for the special edition of Both Sides Now. As Jim mentioned, if you click to CD-Now from the JDML site, it helps defray Les's costs. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:12:39 -0500 (EST) From: Sarah Schuckman Subject: practical magic has anyone heard the "practical magic" soundtrack? it's really good, and "case of you" is on it. And there are two good stevie nicks songs, and this great song i'd never heard called "black eyed dog" by nick drake... andthis very fun son gcaled coconut by harry nilsson... you know, the one that goes, "you put the lime in the coconut, then you feel better"... :) just wanted to put in my recommendation! :) have a good day! sarah :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:34:06 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: No Joni Content - Alternative for discussion Thanks, Alan, for your suggestion, but I think since this is a Joni Mitchell discussion list, it should be contingent on people not wanting to talk about Joni to tag their messages, not the other way around. My humble opinion. I don't think we will ever get around the fact that some people will forget to include the tag, being humans and all, and I think that's where tolerance for boo-boos comes in. I think the current system is working great. Every once in a while a reminder goes out, and that's no big deal. thanks, Sue >I'd like to suggest that people consider an alternative approach to how the >"Joni-lists" are currently set up; that instead of putting NJC (No Joni >Content) on messages with no Joni content, JCL (Joni Content List) is put on >messages for the "Joni only" lists. The reasoning behind this as follows: > ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:07:12 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: lyrics Which song would you like to discuss? I'm up for that! Welcome to the list, sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:11:55 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Joni and Pink Floyd Here is an excerpt on this subject from Wally's site: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Roots.html In the spring an invitation came from Roger Waters to join him in a re-staging of his epic "The Wall" at the site of the now torn down Berlin wall. Roger suggested a song to Joni that he wanted her to perform in the upcoming concert, but she told him she'd prefer to do a different one. He agreed and re-arranged the line-up of singers and songs to accommodate her. Joni also requested that she be sent a tape of the backing tracks so she could practice. The concert "Roger Water's The Wall : Live In Berlin" was held on July 21, 1990 and included guest singers and musicians such as Sinead O'Connor, Van Morrison, Cyndi Lauper, Bryan Adams, Paul Carrack of Mike and the Mechanics, the Band, the Scorpions, etc. This was certainly an all-star event. Joni was joined onstage by flutist James Galway, performing with a pre-recorded backing track on the song "Goodbye, Blue Sky." She also re-appeared at the finale and sang a few solo lines for "The Tide Is Turning" clustered with Sinead O'Connor, Thomas Dolby and Bryan Adams at one side of an elevated platform. Go here for some pictures: http://www.jonimitchell.com/TheWallBerlin90.html > I have been a big Pink Floyd fan for a long time,as well as a Joni >Mitchell fan.I was wondering how did Joni wind up singing with Roger Waters >at the performance of Pink Floyd's "The Wall" in Berlin in 1990?Does anyone >know the story behind that?what does Joni think about "The Wall" and the >performance in Berlin at the Berlin Wall? > thanks for any info. ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:21:44 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: [Fwd: [GN] On a lighter note] (NJC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------74612C7BACB96A40C4CD2EE3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the full story. Jerry np: (and recording for Roberto): Disco Merm, Something For the Boys - --------------74612C7BACB96A40C4CD2EE3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from dorothy.queernet.org (majordom@dorothy.queernet.org [209.24.233.48]) by bayflash.stpt.usf.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20638 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 02:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by dorothy.queernet.org (8.10.0.Beta2/8.10.0.Beta2) id e0A7gY200400 Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by dorothy.queernet.org (8.10.0.Beta2/8.10.0.Beta2) with ESMTP id e0A7gXg00395; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 23:42:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from Jwebbal@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id l.6d.6d3f9b11 (4214) for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 02:41:12 -0500 (EST) From: Jwebbal@aol.com Message-ID: <6d.6d3f9b11.25aae717@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 02:41:11 EST Subject: [GN] On a lighter note To: gaynet@QueerNet.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 44 Sender: owner-gaynet@QueerNet.ORG Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 NEW YORK (AP) - Rock star Melissa Etheridge is ending speculation about the paternity of the children she shares with partner Julie Cypher. The father is David Crosby, Etheridge told Rolling Stone magazine in the issue that hits newsstands this week. Cypher, a filmmaker, carried the children that Crosby fathered by artificial insemination. "We just got so tired of this secret," Etheridge said. "It wears you out. And keeping this big secret goes against how we are choosing to live our lives - very openly." The paternity of Bailey, 3, and Beckett, 1, had become a guessing game in the music world, with gossips speculating that Brad Pitt, Bruce Springsteen or Tom Hanks might have been the father. Crosby, 58 and the father of three other children, doesn't plan to help raise Bailey and Beckett - which is fine by Etheridge and Cypher. "If, you know, in due time, at a distance, they're proud of who their genetic dad is, that's great," said Crosby, the singer and songwriter of Crosby, Stills and Nash fame. The Grammy-winning Etheridge said Crosby's wife, Jan, first suggested the idea when the two couples chatted during a vacation in Hawaii a few years ago. "It came from her, which was the best, most perfect way," Etheridge said. "For one, he's musical, which means a lot to me, you know, and I admire his work. And he has his own life, has his own family." http://news.excite.com/news/ap/000109/19/ent-people-etheridge-crosby ********** If you receive GayNet via direct email: To post, send mail to gaynet@queernet.org. To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@queernet.org; put a line saying unsubscribe gaynet in the body. (This may fail if your address has changed since you signed up; if so, or for other assistance, contact gaynet-approval@queernet.org.) - --------------74612C7BACB96A40C4CD2EE3-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:34:09 EST From: Riveragelsinger@aol.com Subject: Re: lyrics For no immediately relevant reason other than to show what I mean by discussing Ms. Michell's lyrics, how do all you folks understand the characters she creates in "In France They Kiss On Main Street" from The Hissing of Summer Lawns. Its context has to do with France, a downtown setting, dance halls and cafés, a pinball arcade. Several people have names...it's about the romance she recognizes as an integral part of French culture and perhaps a main thread or goal of rock 'n' rolling???? Your thoughts?? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:51:51 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Where "hits" misses i love the hits collection. i gave it to someone and i haven't replaced it yet, but i plan to. what i like about it is that joni picked the order and sequenced the songs and in that alone, she tells a story with the album which really makes it different than a greatest hits album. i see it more as an arrangement. pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:03:41 -0500 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: ALL JC BABY! Joni Mitchell! ;-) - -Jenny P.S. Just kidding. I've been reading the JM Companion, of course, first I checked out all the pictures. I'm so greatful for it, and glad to be acquainted to a published writer of my favorite topic. I couldn't believe whatever writer for the "Village Voice" actually said Joni "failed" as a lyricist in reviewing "Hejira". Hejira is my favorite, and I'm not alone at all. One of the biggest reasons it's my favorite is because of its lyrical content. It has taken me years to uncover its depth and I'm sure I haven't gotten it all yet. Anyway, GREAT job, Stacy. I can't wait to have more time with it. - -Jenny ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:44:00 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Amour, mama, not cheap display! I too agree that Joni loves the romance of the French and uses that image of love and freedom in France in a couple of her songs: Free Man in Paris (of course) and the new song Love Puts on a New Face: In France they say, everyday, love puts on a new face ... This line is also repetitive and very telling of Joni's attitude toward love and repression: Amour, mama, not cheap display. I originally thought she was using the word mama sort of the way blues singers did, yeah mama, but she is actually talking to her mother here, and does so on the same subject in many of her other songs: Let The Wind Carry Me: She don't like my kick-pleat skirt, she don't like my eyelids painted green Happiness is the Best Facelift: Shacked up downtown making love without a license, same old sacred cow. So I think in the French sense (if this is a French philosophy), Joni very closely links love and freedom (and rock & roll!). Sue >For no immediately relevant reason other than to show what I mean by >discussing Ms. Michell's lyrics, how do all you folks understand the >characters she creates in "In France They Kiss On Main Street" from The >Hissing of Summer Lawns. Its context has to do with France, a downtown >setting, dance halls and cafÈs, a pinball arcade. Several people have >names...it's about the romance she recognizes as an integral part of French >culture and perhaps a main thread or goal of rock 'n' rolling???? Your >thoughts?? ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 08:12:04 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Bits of NJC Interest ... Had a few interesting musical interludes over the weekend. The first came over the airwaves actually, with the "Top 5 at 5:00" on the local 70s/80s station - -- for last week of the year 1982: 5. "Rock This Town" -- Stray Cats 4. "Steppin' Out" -- Joe Jackson 3. "Down Under" -- Men At Work 2. "Dirty Laundry" -- Don Henley 1. "Maneater" -- Hall & Oates But I can top that ... and it happened the very next day while grocery shopping -- when what should my wondering ears hear on the DMX, but: "Renee and Georgette Magritte With Their Dog After The War" -- Paul Simon I think all the ex-college radio station programmers, like myself, got the hell out of FM and went straight into DMX! Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:25:43 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Anybody Need Some Lace? Hello everyone, I've been out of the loop for so long now and am desperately trying to catch up on my JMDL reading....but before I go on any longer.... Does anyone need a copy of the LACE show tape? If so then please e-mail me privately and I'll be more than happy to pass it along. I will take the first eight folks who contact me. The transmission of the show is rough but the content is a wonderful "filling in of all the gaps" concerning her painting. Talk to you then. Julian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:59:25 EST From: Kleronomos@aol.com Subject: Video and DAT tree request, and ONE loaner report Would be so grateful if someone with either DATs of the tape trees, or anyone with the (2), 2 hr. videos (video tree #1) could contact me offlist to arrange to get copies. As proud owner of a new DAT machine, would love to help relieve the burden on Burner Bob for high-quality dups to tape / CD for future requests. Have never seen the video tree... looks scrumptious! ONE "loaner" report: Regarding the ONE Joni album people have expressed that they would use to INTRODUCE Joni to a "newbie", a consensus, as expected, is not there! But the (admittedly un-scientific) impression I got from the posts and emails is that Blue and FTR are good choices for their simplicity and accessability, but with a depth that seems inexhaustible. They were heavy favorites. Hejira also rates high for a first timer, according to the list. I thought the suggestion of "Misses" was a good one, but it only got one "vote." NRH came up several times, and a smattering of the other albums. Several noted that their choice would depend on what they knew about the person that they were loaning it to. (makes perfect sense, of course!) Do you have a friend or relative that isn't yet a fan? Consider surprising them with a Joni album next time their birthday or something rolls around! Or maybe just get them something just "out of the Blue" (((sorry))) Reminder: if you access CDNow through the Joni Mitchell website, JM.com gets credit for the sale! Get well Wally!! You are in our prayers. Dan NP: vacuum cleaner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:11:01 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Amour, mama, not cheap display! > > > So I think in the French sense (if this is a French philosophy), Joni very > closely links love and freedom I would have thought. Love involves freedom or it isn't love-it becomes control. > (and rock & roll!). > > Sue > > >For no immediately relevant reason other than to show what I mean by > >discussing Ms. Michell's lyrics, how do all you folks understand the > >characters she creates in "In France They Kiss On Main Street" from The > >Hissing of Summer Lawns. Its context has to do with France, a downtown > >setting, dance halls and cafÈs, a pinball arcade. Several people have > >names...it's about the romance she recognizes as an integral part of French > >culture and perhaps a main thread or goal of rock 'n' rolling???? Your > >thoughts?? > > ____________________ > /____________________\ > ||-------------------|| > || Sue McNamara || > || sem8@cornell.edu || > ||___________________|| > || O etch-a-sketch O || > \___________________/ > > > > "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:27:00 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Amour, mama, not cheap display! I'm probably opening mouth, inserting foot and chewing vigorously on this one -- but could Joni's Canadian upbringing be the simplest explanation for her love of things French? Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:37:40 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Amour, mama, not cheap display! Colin said: >I would have thought. Love involves freedom or it isn't love-it becomes >control. Right again, my dear cat! :-+ ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:53:08 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: lyrics "R" said: <> I think this is one of her "snapshot" songs, where she's not trying to get across any heavy message or philosophy, but rather giving us a series of snapshots of her teenage years...I thought the observation about Louise was on the money. It never occurred to me that the Louise in this song is also "Cherokee Louise", but I have no doubt it is. I'm also sure that Gail, Ron, Chickie, Melvin, et. al were real people and that Joni went out looking to raise Jesus up from the dead. Most of the "teenage party" images she gives us here are very common ones we can relate to, like the songs "We'll have these moments to remember" or The Beach Boys "All Summer Long". I think the title comes from contrasting having to kiss in secret (in cars, under bridges, etc) with kissing in public - right on Main Street, not concerned with what neighbors (or a disapproving Mama) might say... Bob NP: Nothing as I'm in somebody else's office in TN... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:04:17 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Amour, mama, not cheap display! I've always taken this to be a rock and roll anthem in response to Joni's previous generation's condemnation of Rock and Roll as "the devil's music." Also to the hypocritical and puritanical attitude toward sex in general, much like her recent painting of she and Don "french" kissing. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:01:00 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC the year 2000 In a message dated 1/8/00 9:35:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, lworster@taconic.net writes: << SO many things have happened in the intervening years that I could not have anticipated. My life did not go the way I thought it would. But I AM a good measure of WHO I had hoped to be. >> this is wonderful, and you are fortunate to have accomplished this. pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:47:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: I'm Baaaaaaaaaack ! njc ooops...i've just realized that the word "joda" in my variety of spanish means simply "fun" but it's a very rude word in all other varieties of spanish. just in case michael, when i said "viva la joda" in my earlier post, i meant it the argentine way!!!! wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:13:57 -0500 (EST) From: David Wright Subject: Re: Amour, mama, not cheap display! On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Don Rowe wrote: > could Joni's Canadian upbringing be the simplest explanation for her > love of things French? I wouldn't think so, because isn't Quebec (in eastern Canada) the main French-Canadian province, whereas Joni comes from the open prairie of the midwest? - --David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:40:10 -0600 From: evian Subject: Joni exhibit in S'toon Hey Listers, Word has it that the Joni exhibit in S'toon will be in June. I'll post later when I know more, but I think the month is at least confirmed, if not specific dates yet. Evian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:18:31 -0500 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) David Crosby donated sperm along with Melissa Etheridges egg to Julie Cypher's womb... Im far from old fashioned, but I find all the mechanizations involved in these types of pregnancies to be a tad much. The - I have to reproduce even though human population is skyrocketing out of control- mentality bugs me a bit. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:29:41 -0600 From: evian Subject: more on Joni in S'toon Hi Again Listers, Just talked to the cranky man from the Mendel. The tentative date for the Joni exhibit is June 30th, which just happens to fall on the weekend of my frigging family reunion, where I offered to put up a crapload of cousins, and on a day that I have to work... So, I am hoping they change the date, or I will have to just leave the house keys in the mailbox and call in sick to work, go to Saskatoon, and hire a fat actor to play me at the family reunion! Anyway, the guy said the date is tentative, but he is assuming it will stick -- there was an article in the Saskatoon Paper on the weekend about it, which I will try and find. Anyway, they will let me know as soon as it is confirmed, so I'll post as soon as I hear for sure. Evian np: "Every Little Kiss" - -Bruce Hornsby (one of my all time fave songs) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:39:30 -0700 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) How about the "I want to create a child with my life partner-mentality"? I know, they should have adopted. But not everyone can be Mia Farrow. And a lot of women actually want to experience childbirth. FYI-Melissa Etheridge has publicly stated that she will not reveal the sperm donor for their children until they are "old enough" to get it. I doubt she revealed the true donor, and was probably kidding when she mentioned it. Just pondering, Alison in SLC - ---------- >From: "Bill Dollinger" >To: >Subject: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) >Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2000, 3:18 PM > >David Crosby donated sperm along with Melissa Etheridges >egg to Julie Cypher's womb... > >Im far from old fashioned, but I find all the mechanizations >involved in these types of pregnancies to be a tad much. > >The - I have to reproduce even though human population is >skyrocketing out of control- mentality bugs me a bit. > >Bill > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:00:36 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) Harping in on this one... The way you put it, Bill, makes it sound really bizarre. > David Crosby donated sperm along with Melissa > Etheridges egg to Julie Cypher's womb... I think I'm liberal enough to accept that two gay women (or men) have a right to raise a child. However, there are so many unwanted children in the world who need good parents. If gay women are serious enough about wanting a family, why don't they show their "love" and adopt one of the already born children who desperately needs a loving home. Instead, these two decided to engineer one. The news article said they chose Crosby because musical talent is "really important to Melissa." I agree, Bill, their priorities seem really skewed. It smacks of such selfishness and self indulgence -- picking children that match your lifestyle, like you would furniture or a wardrobe. Regardless of their sexual preference, what sad role models these two women are. If I were gay, I would be downright furious at both of them -- no wonder gays pushing for spousal rights have such a hard time being taken seriously. Why would a famous gay couple publicize a "family" that is bound to be seen negatively by so many people? It's way too bizarre to win them points with the powers that be. The decision about how to create children is theirs, of course, but they should have kept the details to themselves. No offense to Crosby, though. The more singing voices like that in the world, the better. Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:14:30 -0600 From: pattihaskins@mindspring.com Subject: NJC: David Crosby Go to the official David Crosby site, there's a link to the story on Melissa E's kids: http://www.crosbycpr.com/ Patti in Dallas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:20:58 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Joel Rafael Band Hi there, Just a short note to let you know that I received finished product of the Joel Rafael Band's new album "Hopper" today. What was a great album as an advance copy, has now become a georgeous listening experience! The album is recorded at Jackson Browne's Groove Masters Studio in Santa Monica, and is produced by Paul Dieter ( Jackson Browne, CPR, Venice, etc. ) and Dan Rothchild ( son of Paul ! ) . If you can imagine a cross between Bob Dylan, Eric Andersen, Joni Mitchell and Jackson Browne, that's what this album is all about ! ! ! The Joel Rafael Band is : Joel Rafael on guitar and vocals, Jamaica Rafael on violins and vocals, Carl Johnson on lead guitar, Dan Rotchild on bass and Jeff Berkley on percussion. The band is managed by Cree Clover, who also works for Jackson Browne. The brand new album ( release date, January 8 ), features some great, original songs by Joel Rafael, "China Basin Dogs", which is a Rafael - John Trudell composition ( John does also appear on the song! ) and "Minor Key", written by Woody Guthrie and Billy Bragg. If you're interested in getting a copy, please contact : Reluctant Angel Records PO Box 357 Bonsall, CA 92003 U.S.A. Phone: 760 - 749 - 0813 Fax: 760 - 749 - 8011 Email: rangel420@aol.com jrafael@flash.net DFM3@aol.com Website: http://www.flash.net/~jrafael/ The first classic album of the 21st century is here! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:58:29 -0700 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Subject: NJC: David Crosby pardon me while i eat my words. you just never know when these wacky rockstar types are going to change their minds. Alison E. in SLC - ---------- >From: pattihaskins@mindspring.com >To: "JMDL" >Subject: NJC: David Crosby >Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2000, 4:14 PM > >Go to the official David Crosby site, there's a link to the story on Melissa >E's kids: http://www.crosbycpr.com/ >Patti in Dallas > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:24:30 -0500 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) Lou says: The news article said they >chose Crosby because musical talent is "really important to Melissa." I >agree, Bill, their priorities seem really skewed. It smacks of such >selfishness and self indulgence -- picking children that match your >lifestyle, like you would furniture or a wardrobe. > >Regardless of their sexual preference, what sad role models these two women >are. > >If I were gay, I would be downright furious at both of them -- no wonder >gays pushing for spousal rights have such a hard time being taken seriously. >Why would a famous gay couple publicize a "family" that is bound to be seen >negatively by so many people? It seems to me that their family isn't really anyone's business and is a personal thing that exists outside of whatever publicity is generated, wanted or unwanted. And IMO, the decision to have a child is one that has such an incredible impact on your life, and takes such an emotional toll, I don't think it should be compared to such a superficial thing as shopping for furniture and clothes. I don't see any relation at all. While there are certainly plenty of children being born everyday( I saw The Cider House Rules last night-- a good example) the decision to give birth to a child is a personal one, something people have been doing ever since people existed, it is natural, it is in your blood, and I think people should have the right to make that decision on their own and not be blamed for the weight of the world. I don't see anything wrong with choosing David Crosby for a father. As was said earlier, he probably has some great music genes. But it really isn't any of my business and I really don't know anything about how they hooked up with each other and I don't think it is my place to call them selfish or self indulgent. Why not choose him? As a musician/songwriter myself, I can say being in the music business is much, much, more than a lifestyle. I've been writing songs for 16 or 17 years now and my whole life in some ways has been consumed by this dream, this passion, this magic, this thing that I get deeper and deeper into. It is like becoming best friends with your dreamself, the child who never grows up, who escapes to never-never land, who dances in the fields with the fauns and the wood nymphs...music in its very essence is a selfish thing and yet it gives so much to the rest of the world. In that way it is sort of an enigma. The songs I write are highly personal and yet people tell me they love them and that they are beautiful. Its the highest form of communication I can think of, singing a song to someone. In any case, I don't think Melissa Etheridge should be singled out and branded as selfish and self-indulgent just because she is famous/ and or a lesbian. I mean she's just a human being just like everyone else and has the same kind of dreams, desires, hopes and fears. Victor > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:45:09 -0500 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: plug of the week #7642 (NJC) Associated Press 9 Jan, 2000 BOY PLUGS DIKE WITH FINGER Amsterdam-- A little boy named Jack saved the Netherlands from what surely would have been the worst national disaster ever. Last Saturday night, Jack stuck his right index finger in a hole that had formed in the dike over on the east side, preventing the water from coming through, and more importantly, preventing the flood that would have ensued and left many homeless or even dead. Jack kept his finger in the hole for several hours until officials made it to the scene and made the necessary repairs. He did admit that the real reason he was at that particular spot that evening was to write dirty limericks on the wall with his girlfriend. Notwithstanding his vandalism, Jack has been declared a national hero. A ceremony will be held there in his honor at 3:00 pm next Saturday. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 01:10:47 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) > > > The - I have to reproduce even though human population is > skyrocketing out of control- Atpresent there are more than enough resources for everyone to live a decent life. Unfoprtunately, loads of us have too much and excess food is destroyed rather than distributed.Melissa having children didn't cause this nor will it exacerbate it. > mentality bugs me a bit. > > Bill - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 01:09:55 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) Louis Lynch wrote: > Harping in on this one... > > The way you put it, Bill, makes it sound really bizarre. > > > David Crosby donated sperm along with Melissa > > Etheridges egg to Julie Cypher's womb... > > I think I'm liberal enough the rest of this mail would seem to suuggest otherwise. > to accept that two gay women (or men) have a > right to raise a child. > > However, there are so many unwanted children in the world who need good > parents. > > If gay women are serious enough about wanting a family, why don't they show > their "love" "love"??? > and adopt one of the already born children who desperately > needs a loving home. One good reason is that gay people are prevented from adopting.Why should gay people feel any differently to str8 people? Why should they adopt rather than have their own if capable? Oh silly me, cos we are different and therefore don't have the same feelings, just like our "love"is different, hence the perenthesis. > > > Instead, these two decided to engineer one. The news article said they > chose Crosby because musical talent is "really important to Melissa." I > agree, Bill, their priorities seem really skewed. It smacks of such > selfishness and self indulgence oh yes just like the self centred, self indulgent str8 people who go for fertility treatment. Why can't they just accept they can't have children and go and adopt? (doesn't that sound like a bad attitude to have?) > -- picking children that match your > lifestyle, like you would furniture or a wardrobe. > > Regardless of their sexual preference, what sad role models these two women > are. > > If I were gay, I would be downright furious at both of them well it seems you are not so wouldn't know how you would react. i think you might be offended by a lot of what you have said. > -- no wonder > gays pushing for spousal rights have such a hard time being taken seriously. Actually I think we have a hard time because of people who think they are liberal yet manage to write like this, and quite obviously do not see us as on the same level as themselves. > Why would a famous gay couple publicize a "family" that is bound to be seen > negatively by so many people? It's way too bizarre to win them points with > the powers that be. I don't think they are trying to win points, and I am sure they were not after anyone's appproval, least of all str8 people's approval. Gay people don't want approval-just equal rights under the law because we are human beings. > > > The decision about how to create children is theirs, of course, but they > should have kept the details to themselves. Why? > > > No offense to Crosby, though. > The more singing voices like that in the > world, the better. > > Regards, > Harper Lou - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 01:14:58 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) > > > In any case, I don't think Melissa Etheridge should be singled out and > branded as selfish and self-indulgent just because she is famous/ and or a > lesbian. I mean she's just a human being just like everyone else and has > the same kind of dreams, desires, hopes and fears. Yes, that she is. Thanks Victor. > > > Victor > > > > > - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:25:06 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: plug of the week #7642 (NJC) In a message dated 1/10/00 6:37:40 PM US Central Standard Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: << BOY PLUGS DIKE WITH FINGER >> Is there some kind of synchronicity here with the Crosby/Etheridge story? :~D Bob NP: Bob Dylan, "Idiot Wind" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 01:29:40 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) I took the liberty of changing Lou's post here and there to maybe make things a bit more clear: I think I'm liberal enough to accept that two black women (or men) have a right to raise a child. However, there are so many unwanted children in the world who need good parents. If black women are serious enough about wanting a family, why don't they show their "love" and adopt one of the already born children who desperately needs a loving home. Instead, these two decided to engineer one. The news article said they chose Crosby because musical talent is "really important to Melissa." I agree, Bill, their priorities seem really skewed. It smacks of such selfishness and self indulgence -- picking children that match your lifestyle, like you would furniture or a wardrobe. Regardless of their race, what sad role models these two women are. If I were black, I would be downright furious at both of them -- no wonder blacks pushing for equal rights have such a hard time being taken seriously. Why would a famous black couple publicize a "family" that is bound to be seen negatively by so many people? It's way too bizarre to win them points with the powers that be. The decision about how to create children is theirs, of course, but they should have kept the details to themselves. No offense to Crosby, though. The more singing voices like that in the world, the better. Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 01:35:30 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: plug of the week #7642 (NJC) Where i live is surrounded by dykes. I recentyl found out that March is actually an island. Much of this part of East Anglia was the sea. The land is now all 'reclaimed' land. The dykes preven it from flooding. In my ignorance i thought they were fro irrigation even tho it rains a lot here! Up the road is a place named the King's Dyke Club. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:35:46 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: plug of the week #7642 (NJC) took the words out of my mouth!!!! now that michael is back, i can say it: HOW SALACIOUS!!! wallyk - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: ; Enviado: Lunes 10 de Enero de 2000 22:25 Asunto: Re: plug of the week #7642 (NJC) > In a message dated 1/10/00 6:37:40 PM US Central Standard Time, > waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: > > << BOY PLUGS DIKE WITH FINGER >> > > Is there some kind of synchronicity here with the Crosby/Etheridge story? :~D > > Bob > > NP: Bob Dylan, "Idiot Wind" > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:46:42 -0500 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: plug of the week #7642 (NJC) >In a message dated 1/10/00 6:37:40 PM US Central Standard Time, >waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: > ><< BOY PLUGS DIKE WITH FINGER >> > >Is there some kind of synchronicity here with the Crosby/Etheridge story? :~D > >Bob > Any synchronicity is a coincidence since I didn't associate these two stories in my mind at all, honest. Wow, that's pretty strange. Either my belief in synchronicity is further reinforced or my subconscious is working overtime. Victor :>) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:39:26 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) now, this is really interesting, colin...you've taught me a lesson. wallyk - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: catman Para: Enviado: Lunes 10 de Enero de 2000 22:29 Asunto: Re: CSN - Crosby Sperm Needed ? (NJC) > I took the liberty of changing Lou's post here and there to maybe make things a > bit more clear: > > > I think I'm liberal enough to accept that two black women (or men) have a > right to raise a child. > > However, there are so many unwanted children in the world who need good > parents. > > If black women are serious enough about wanting a family, why don't they show > their "love" and adopt one of the already born children who desperately > needs a loving home. > > Instead, these two decided to engineer one. The news article said they > chose Crosby because musical talent is "really important to Melissa." I > agree, Bill, their priorities seem really skewed. It smacks of such > selfishness and self indulgence -- picking children that match your > lifestyle, like you would furniture or a wardrobe. > > Regardless of their race, what sad role models these two women > are. > > If I were black, I would be downright furious at both of them -- no wonder > blacks pushing for equal rights have such a hard time being taken seriously. > Why would a famous black couple publicize a "family" that is bound to be seen > negatively by so many people? It's way too bizarre to win them points with > the powers that be. > > The decision about how to create children is theirs, of course, but they > should have kept the details to themselves. > > No offense to Crosby, though. The more singing voices like that in the > world, the better. > > Regards, > Harper Lou > > ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #15 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. 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