From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #14 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Monday, January 10 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 014 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The List (NJC) [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Where "hits" misses ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] NJC [RainbowCrystal@webtv.net] Joni Tape Tree #3 on 3 Audio Cassettes ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: list content & my top 5 NJC [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Mr Ripley [Roman ] photo of joni ["Sue Cameron" ] my email address (NJC) ["Takats, Angela" ] NJC thoughts [Vince Lavieri ] Re: photo of joni [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: KCSN Interview [EVRIBUTJON@aol.com] More JC Questions ["Russell Bowden" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #13 [Riveragelsinger@aol.com] Plug Of The Week #1 ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Joni and Pink Floyd [Relayer211@aol.com] RE: LondonFest [howard ] Re: KCSN Interview ["Kakki" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #13 ["Kakki" ] UK list offer - joni interview tape ["David Foley" ] RV: JMDL Digest V2000 #13 sjc ["Wally Kairuz" ] I'm Baaaaaaaaaack ! [Michael Paz ] RE: I'm Baaaaaaaaaack ! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] NJC Hawaii NJC ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: I'm Baaaaaaaaaack ! njc ["Kakki" ] Re: NJC the year 2000 ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 03:43:32 -0500 (EST) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: The List (NJC) Deb said: >This statistic may be misleading. I sub to >the regular list, so I get the NJC mail, but >I set up my filters to send them to a >separate folder. That way if I have time I >can read them and when I'm busy I can >trash them. I bet a lot of people are using >their mail filters the same way, so it's not >only the joni-only listers who need the >NJC tag. Filters? What are they? I know we webtv'ers are a small minority but we have no filters (yet) of any kind, but our eyes. Never-the-less, I'm glad you brought this up because you are correct that many of us (myself included) on the full digest, still rely on that NJC tag so that when we see it, we can scroll on down, should we so desire. I think that if there was a way to get just those posts that very directly concern Joni (and this, IMO, does not include gatherings or supermarket song hearings), we would get one, maybe two digests per week, instead of per day. In the interest of time, that, IMO, would be heavenly. In my brief time on the only-Joni list the number of digests still seemed too much at times and amounted to about 1 per day, sometimes slightly less. gdave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 05:10:32 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Where "hits" misses I'm up early on this fine Sunday morning. I've never warmed up to the hits collection much. Today I noticed this: Chelsea Morning ends with Joni strumming her guitar, playing the changes. On the "hits" collection, it's followed by Big Yellow Taxi, strumming again. Not only strumming again, but it sounds like the _same_ changes. It sounds like she has no melodies to choose from, which is completely wrong! I guess it's the order of play that I don't warm up to. np: hits in HDCD format ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 00:17:21 -1000 (HST) From: RainbowCrystal@webtv.net Subject: NJC Hello Everyone! Even with my simple, laid-back lifestyle, it takes time and dedication just to keep up on the daily reading of the JMDL..It's harder now that I live with so many people, but I find it very interesting, and I definitely learn things here that I wouldn't hear about anywhere else--JC or NJC. I really am at the "end of the world" in some ways--I almost never listen to the radio or look at t.v. or the newspapers, so I appreciate reading about world events, music and people's experiences. Starting another list seems silly since it's our love and appreciation of Joni Mitchell that's brought us together. I have a certain respect for you just because of that. I'm not bothered by the "plug of the week"--I don't have funds to check out the recommended stuff but I do read more than I delete. Thanks for being there everyone! Aloha from Rainbow in Hawaii ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 08:18:46 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni Tape Tree #3 on 3 Audio Cassettes Tape Tree #3 is available free on audio cassette. Tape Tree #3 offers a retrospective of the early years of Joni's career between 1966 and 1968, originally broadcast in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA. It also includes a live performance at a place called the 2nd Fret, also in Philadelphia on October 1967. Finally, the third tape has 2 discussions with Joan. First interview took place in 1988, to announce the (then) new album called "Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm", and in 1995 in an interview with Todd Rungren. This tape tree acts as an excellent introduction to the tape trees in general, Joni's early years before her recording contract and the middle period stuff. First read Les's introduction to tape trees at http://jmdl.com/trading/ Then send an email to me and I'll fill you in! - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 08:29:44 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Buying CDs this week? Hello JMDLers! Help JMDL & buy CDs at the same time! http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-159240 http://cdu2.cduniverse.com/asp/cdu_main.asp?frm=lk_jmdl Each of these e-stores will refund 5% of sales made from these links to offset the cost of operating the Joni Mitchell Discussion List. Please consider using them as a way to thank Les for all that he has done for the JM Internet community. In fact, if you bookmark these URLs, it will all happen automatically. This is James Earl Jones say, "Thank you for your consideration." As the song says, "More fulfilling -and less frustrating." All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu in Highland Heights, Kentucky, a suburb of Cincinnati, Ohio, USA. ** Get well, Wally!** np: static from the cheesy sound card that came in my HP tower. What's up with towers anyway? You still need a box to raise the monitor to eye level! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 10:34:46 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: list content & my top 5 NJC Russ wrote: << <> >> Bob replied: >>>And I have to respectfully and vehemently disagree with you on this one too. Thanks to Michael Y, I discovered MeShells poignant "Bitter". Thanks to Michael Paz, I bopped to Macy Gray all year. "Joni Rip-off's?" I think not.>>> I completely agree with Bob. I've kept the NJC largely because I love reading about what others are listening to. I pay close attention to the musical opinions expressed here and like Bob, I've been turned on to new releases by artists previously unknown to me and have also been reacquainted with artists I'd long since thought were no longer recording, etc, etc. I love people's album and concert reviews. Haven't seen too much of that in recent months, though I've had to delete entire digests lately, so my awareness of threads has been uneven. As for Peter's plug of the week...well...it doesn't hold the same weight with me as when someone just posts about their passion honestly about an artist they really like. It's more sincere and direct somehow. No offense to Peter, just my personal opinion. Bob mentions Macy Gray. I was so excited when I heard this woman on the radio - - what an incredibly infectious voice and vibe she has - and when the announcer said it was Macy Gray, I got even more excited and shouted outloud "That's the woman Bob has been talking about!" My favorite radio station WRSI, 95.3 in Greenfield, MA voted (based on a staff poll) How Life Is their number one pick for '99. Looking forward to picking that one up real soon. For what it's worth, here are *my* top five: 1.Red, Hot and Lisbon - various artists from the Portuguese speaking world - some proceeds go to AIDS research efforts, which is a big plus 2.Mock Tudor - Richard Thompson 3. One Part Lullaby - The Folk Implosion (Lou Barlow of Sebadoh's side project) 4. Return Of The Grievous Angel - A Tribute To Gram Parsons (featuring some of my top favorites, including Cowboy Junkies, a duet by Luncinda Williams and David Crosby, Emmylou Harris, Steve Earle, etc. 5. Rarities, B-Sides and Slow, Sad Waltzes - Cowboy Junkies - more precious gems from this consistently excellent and underappreciated band - thanks Mark in Seattle for sending me the tape, which sent me to the record store to pick up the cd! Gotta go now, brunch is getting cold! Everyone take care, Gina NP: A Man Needs A Maid - Neil Young, Harvest ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 14:46:57 +0100 From: Roman Subject: Re: Mr Ripley Julie Webb wrote: >The best visual massage movie release: "The Talented Mr. Ripley, " >is gorgeously photographed Hey, that's weird! I just read this book over the Christmas holidays - picked it up in a used English bookstore in Rome - It was an edition that included all three Ripley novels, and I'd wanted to read it for some years after seeing Wim Wenders's 'An American Friend', based on 'Ripley's Game'. Dennis Hopper plays the slightly older Ripley in the magnificent way that perhaps only Dennis Hopper could have played this part. Anyway, I ate up the three books inside of a week, finishing just a couple of days ago, which is pretty fast for me. What a nice coincidental surprise that 'Talented' is now a movie too. I agree, Cusack would have been miles better for the title role though, but I'll reserve judgement until I see it. >Tomorrow we see "Mansfield Park." yet another novel I only just read - well, eighteen months ago actually, but it was my first ever foray into Jane Austen, so that kind of makes it recent. Tube ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 11:12:55 -0500 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: photo of joni Congrats Howard on your momento of Joni. I keep the autographed book of her poems and lyrics displayed prominently on my bookshelf. It is something I will cherish forever as it will remind me of the two magical days in October of 1998. When Joni was tourning Don McGee (or was it Dan?) was the man Terry contacted in Detroit for a heads up as to when we could meet up with Joni. We speculated at the time that maybe this is a cousin? McGee is Myrtle's birthname and since Joni has no sibs it makes sense that she might employ a male cousin to be her road manager. Does anyone know for sure on this educated guess? Suze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:01:29 +1100 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: my email address (NJC) Hello Listers, I've been having probs posting the list, and Les has informed me that it's because my email address has changed (pity no-one at computer services at my work told me!!)...sooo, I just wanted to apologise to anyone who may have written to my old address, because your emails never got to me...Les has corrected the problem - where would us listers be without him!...and my proper address will hopefully be on the top of this post! - - Ange Sydney PS - I saw my friend lovely Lana yesterday...she's out of intensive care and doing extremely well ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 12:33:28 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC thoughts I set up my filter a long time ago so all the NJC goes into a Joni folder and all the other posts go into the regular inbox. When something is not labeled properly, it takes me about 15 seconds to figure that out and delete or read according to my interest. I feel that no one intentionally is not labeling NJC, we (myself included) sometimes slip up, and that is not a big deal IMHO. The periodic reminders from the Joni-only's are usually helpful too since sometimes I think we all get a little expansive on what is NJC and what is not. The Plugs of the Week, that has been explained as a labor of love and it is not helpful to me - I like Gina don't have the funds for exploring all the recommendations - but I just skim that and delete and move on. If it is not of interest to me, again, it takes 15 seconds to delete (at most). Why should I complain about something that I don't get anything out of, if someone else is offering it in sincerity, as Peter H. is, and that others on here value? The same with the Joni wannabees and other artists... I don't know who many of these people are. For example: he name Jonatha Brooks means nothing to me. Her music obviously means a great deal to others here. So I don't care if people talk about her all day long, I can always delete those posts. On the other hand, the name may someday stick in my mind and I may buy an album of hers and discover someone's music that I like, so my theory is: as long as we are careful to use NJC when we should, everything is postable, if it doesn't interest me, delete, if I know nothing about the subject of the post, maybe I can read it and learn something, I simply do not perceive anyone here simply posting on irrelevant things, the NJCs are almost always understandable tangents off of Joni things because we are not a narrow minded group here, as Joni is not a very narrow subject but continually points us outward into life. I have learned a great deal from the NJC posts on subjects that I knew nothing about, and had my vision expanded on other things where I thought I had seen everything. I think it reflects well on Joni and the people that she impacts that our discussions here can be so free-wheeling and life encompassing. Woe be us all if our conversations become limited and narrow. And one of the joys of Joni is that this group is such a far-flung, diverse, creative, free-wheeling, open, and sharing community. end of today's sermon... (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 13:40:45 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: photo of joni In a message dated 1/9/2000 11:17:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, scam1@freeway.net writes: << When Joni was tourning Don McGee (or was it Dan?) was the man Terry >> I'm pretty sure it's Dan and he is incredibly sweet! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 14:20:43 EST From: EVRIBUTJON@aol.com Subject: Re: KCSN Interview Hi Everybody, This is my first post, after lurking for about 2 years. I just received from Bob Muller the KCSN interview (Thanks again, Bob!). When the orchestra started and I gradually realized it was "A Case Of You", and then Joni's older & wiser voice came in, I was swept away. The tears started rolling down my cheeks. It brought me right back to where I was when I first heard the original version. (An unhappy love affair). Almost 30 years later, hearing her sing it again, now middle-aged, it summoned up all kinds of different feelings. What a beautiful version of a classic song. I can't wait to here the whole album. I also loved the interview, hearing Joni explain her paintings and laughing so much. So I just had to post. John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 11:22:52 PST From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: More JC Questions Hey, All, Quick ones....Who has info on the Saskatoon 2000 thang??? Joni's art exhibit, etc. If this is happening, I'm very interested... Apologies if this one has been discussed before. I just finished reading the book 'Borderliners' by Peter Hoeg (author of Smilla's Sense of Snow) THIS IS NOT A PLUG! Anyhow, a lot of the theories and slightly mindbending concepts in that book I found to be very similar to Our Queen's song of nearly the same name...They both came out around the same time. Forever searching for the roots of the songs. Any takers? Love, Russ np The First Art (singing and chorale singing) NPR ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 14:39:04 EST From: Riveragelsinger@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #13 I am a newcomer to this discussion list and not very technologically adept at this yet. I am very grateful and amazed at the high quality of Wally Breese's work in creating JoniMitchell.com. I look forward to "discussing" the strengths and weaknesses of Ms. Mitchell's lyrics. I have nothing really to say about her music, but will sit back to listen and learn about it, if you will let me. Like many of you, I have enjoyed following Joni Mitchell's art from age 16, when I fell for a girl friend who was performing her music on stage and was a Joni clone. I liked the music's early folk roots and have kept up over the years to her latest work. I do not really understand a lot of what many of you are talking about. I am not a particularly dense person, but I am someone whose focus is on thoughts, ideas, art and the creative process. I am not focused on other people's personal matters, although I am glad people are clear on their own standings in the world. I understand that people do have the need to bond emotionally , but I have plenty of emotional intensity in my life already. I am not looking for pen-pals or a chat room to share my privacy. If this is what the so-called "discussion list" is, I will undoubtedly drop out soon. If, however, we can get some focused discussion going about Ms. Michell's literary and musical work, which will inevitably require some of her input, then I'm in for a while. I have some training in successful staff development. I still work with a staff of 100+ people. In order to facilitate effective discussions in which ev eryone makes a contribution, or at least feels an obligation to focus on the topic at hand, we developed one focus question at a time related to our profession, after we had already taken time to come up with some agreed upon norms we all could live with. Since we are not in the same room or face-to-face, some people who wish to go off on a tangent not related to the focus question could remind themselves to focus on the discussion question at hand, and perhaps find a way to share e-mail addresses to talk about other more personal things. So I propose that, if you want, each of us answers a first focus question individually, which would be: What group norms do I need everyone to respect in order for me to focus on particular aspects of Joni Mitchell's body of work? I need people to withhold all side-bar conversations and to send all tangential Joni Mitchell information to individual e-mail addresses or to Wally Breese to publish in another format. Sorry to sound so "take-charge," but I want to get on with the discussion, and avoid feeling as though I'm eavesdropping on private and personal conversations. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 21:00:58 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Plug Of The Week #1 Hi there, Another year and another bunch of great music! ...'cause music's why we're here, right? The CD that has occupied my player, the most, for the last couple of weeks is : Bob Cheevers - The Stories I Write ( Hayden's Ferry ) Bob grew up in Memphis and got a soul full of music from his mom, who was a radio star in the late 20's - then with home boys Elvis, Jerry Lee, Carl Perkins and Johnny Cash. Moving to California after college, Bob landed his first, in a series of major record deals, on Dot, Paramount and Acta, leading to a string of chart records and writing deals with publishing companies, including MCA Music, Cobra Music, FMA Music and Criterion Music. During the 80's, after two of Bob's music videos won 8 Emmys, including "Best Musical Composition Of 1986", he organized the "Bob Cheevers' Sacramento Song Writers Showcase" which, for two years, featured high profile regional, as well as national hit writers and became Bob's springboard to Nashville. After several years as a Nashville songwriter Bob eventually stepped up to take a swing at his own career. The result was "Gettysburg To Graceland" ( on Back 9 Records ) which went into the Gavin Americana Top 20 and was in the group from which were chosen the 1998 Grammy nominees for "Best Contemporary Folk CD". The album featured such stellar musicians as John Cowan, Mike Henderson, Larry Knechtel and Jonell Mosser. During the same time, Bob Cheevers helped out on a musical tribute to Brown County, Indiana - "Liar's Bench" by Slats Klug, Stephen Miller and friends. The second volume in the series, "My Brown County Home" has just been released ( Thank you, Michael ! ) . Both volumes features great, folky stuff by Bob, Dave Gore, Robbie Bowden, Carrie Newcomer, Libby Parish and others. Bob's new CD, "The Stories I Write", combines his Delta Folk style of storytelling with a distinct Southern flavour - songs drawn from the well of personal experience. It's a fitting next step along the road that runs from Gettysburg to Graceland. On the new album Bob is accompanied by Dash Crofts (Seals & Crofts), Spooner Oldham, Louie Shelton, Swain Schaeffer and others. Copies of these beautiful albums are available from : Cheeversongs 519 Plantation Ct. Nashville TN 37221 U.S.A. Phone: 615 - 646 - 4139 Fax: 615 - 673 - 0321 Email: cheeversongs@earthlink.net Website: http://www.songs.com/cheevers or Hayden's Ferry Records PO Box 27747 Tempe AZ 85283 Phone: 602 - 431 - 1115 Fax: 602 - 453 - 9641 Email: info@haydensferry.com Website: http://www.haydensferry.com Great music from a great singer/songwriter! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 15:59:24 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Joni and Pink Floyd I have been a big Pink Floyd fan for a long time,as well as a Joni Mitchell fan.I was wondering how did Joni wind up singing with Roger Waters at the performance of Pink Floyd's "The Wall" in Berlin in 1990?Does anyone know the story behind that?what does Joni think about "The Wall" and the performance in Berlin at the Berlin Wall? thanks for any info. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 18:56:56 +0000 From: howard Subject: RE: LondonFest >I sure would love it (Jamie) if you guys would plan another gathering when >the weather is warmer. Maybe in August? Jamie Zubairi wrote: >I would love that to happen! Perhaps in the same place. I guess it just >depends on whether any non-English (and that means people up in Scotland, >Howard;-)) would be in town. Actually, I'm no longer in Edinburgh - I'm down in *very* English Malvern, near Worcester. So another meet in London would be great for me! I hope there will be another this year - I'm really looking forward to meeting some of you guys. I don't know if Marian would be able to make it to the UK again (how do you manage all the travelling?!?) but I hope so. We have to meet up sometime soon! Howard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 13:16:44 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: KCSN Interview Hi John, Glad to see you delurk after two years (wow)! You wrote: >When the orchestra started and I gradually realized it was >"A Case Of You", and then Joni's older & wiser voice >came in, I was swept away. The tears started rolling down >my cheeks. I'm amazed that the power of the new version came through for you through all the echo and static. You better get the Kleenex ready for when you hear it in its full glory ;-) Kakki NP: Van Morrison - "Yeh, Yeh" (Just learned last minute info that Van Man is playing the Wiltern here in L.A. 1/25 and 1/26 - YEEHAH!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 13:44:21 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #13 Hi Riveragelsinger and welcome to the list! You wrote: >I look forward to "discussing" the strengths and >weaknesses of Ms. Mitchell's lyrics. I have nothing really > to say about her music, but will sit back to listen and >learn about it, if you will let me. You will enjoy many wonderful discussions of Joni's lyrics and music here. We've always have incredible threads on the many intricacies of Joni's work - so much so that I long ago came to feel like I am earning a Ph.D in Joni. However, sometimes the class like to take a break and "free associate" ;-) >I have some training in successful staff development. I still >work with a staff of 100+ people. In order to facilitate >effective discussions in which everyone makes a >contribution, or at least feels an obligation to focus on the > topic at hand, we developed one focus question at a time >related to our profession, after we had already taken time >to come up with some agreed upon norms we all could live >with. Since you are new to the list, you may not be aware that there is an option to receive only posts about Joni. Sometimes that system does not work perfectly because we forget to label our posts NJC (No Joni Content) and they slip through to the "Only-Joni" list. Also, some people on the Only-Joni list think the content is sometimes too tangential to be included. We have had these discussions about the list content on a regular basis since the inception of the JMDL over three years ago. Another aspect of this list that makes it unlike some many other discussion lists is that it is distinctly *unmoderated* so the culture of the list has evolved so that no one person leads a focus group or arbitrates the content, not even the list owner. Right, wrong or indifferent that's the inherent nature of the list. As the list owner and several listmembers have suggested on many occasions - if you don't care for the current discussion(s), you can try to start a new Joni topic or thread going and you will likely see the tide turn back to Joni. It's a free-wheeling and somewhat unstructured group here, but that's kind of a prominent trait of creative people, which is who mostly comprises this list. Like any great freedom, it can probably be abused sometimes, but without it we would surely miss out on some great communications, which I assure you, exist more in here than any other place I know. Kakki NP: Van Morrison - When Will I Ever Learn to Live in God . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 21:41:21 -0000 From: "David Foley" Subject: UK list offer - joni interview tape Happy New Year everyone. Many thanks Kakki for sending me the tape. If anyone in the UK is interested in a copy of the tape, please get in touch so that I can get a feel for demand and start planning the copying. Best Wishes David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:43:31 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: njc or not njc? NJC In a message dated 1/8/2000 8:05:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << There is no surefire solution to please everyone on either list, so IMO guitar players keep on talking about tunings, Peter keep on plugging, Laura keep on finding me bargains, people keep on making me think and laugh, and Joni keep on inspiring us all. and the rest of you hit the delete key Jimmy >> Very well said Jimmy and I agree with you totally! Catgirl ps glad you are posting! It makes me very happy!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:52:28 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: KCSN Interview John said: << This is my first post, after lurking for about 2 years. I just received from Bob Muller the KCSN interview (Thanks again, Bob!). When the orchestra started and I gradually realized it was "A Case Of You", and then Joni's older & wiser voice came in, I was swept away. The tears started rolling down my cheeks. It brought me right back to where I was when I first heard the original version. (An unhappy love affair). Almost 30 years later, hearing her sing it again, now middle-aged, it summoned up all kinds of different feelings. What a beautiful version of a classic song. >> Well, John, I'll send you another tape in 2 years and you can post again... :~D Seriously, thanks for this wonderful de-lurk. Between your comments and Kakki's, I KNOW I will listen to the song with a new ear. Now that you're out here, stay & play! And anybody else who wants this interview, lemme know and I'll hook you up! If you love Joni's paintings, you'll love this hour of conversation. Joni is very clearly enjoying talking about her painting and not just being limited to discussing her music... Bob NP: Cat Stevens, "Wild World" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 20:00:29 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #13 In a message dated 1/9/00 5:13:31 PM US Central Standard Time, Riveragelsinger@aol.com writes: << I have nothing really to say about her music, but will sit back to listen and learn about it, if you will let me. >> Welcome to you, "R"...feel free to prop up your feet, break out the chips, and spectate all you like. But I can tell you, the real fun ain't in watchin' the dancers but rather getting out on the floor yourself... << I need people to withhold all side-bar conversations and to send all tangential Joni Mitchell information to individual e-mail addresses or to Wally Breese to publish in another format.>> LOL!!! Did someone say "bar" and "conversations"? I'm there!! :~) Bob NP: Cat Stevens, "Moonshadow" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:23:05 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: KCSN Interview njc - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Para: Enviado: Domingo 9 de Enero de 2000 16:20 Asunto: Re: KCSN Interview > Hi Everybody, > This is my first post, after lurking for about 2 years. welcome, john! how did you mange to hold back for so long?!?!?!? wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:55:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RV: JMDL Digest V2000 #13 sjc - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Wally Kairuz Para: ; Enviado: Domingo 9 de Enero de 2000 22:18 Asunto: RE: JMDL Digest V2000 #13 sjc hello and welcome brand X [sorry, you forgot to sign], the following is only my opinion and i don't presume to be speaking for the whole list. what you propose in your message is hardly how this list works. your idea makes me feel as if i were at a staff meeting at mckinsey and co. it has been sufficiently explained that there are different ways you can subscribe to the list [digest, only joni, the whole shebang, etc.]. if you feel that the conversation is getting too boring or out of focus, you just need to sign for the only joni list. occasionally, some post that is not supposed to go to the only joni will slip through because one of us will forget to label or whatever. but signing in for the right list is all it takes to avoid feeling you're wasting your time. besides, we're always talking about joni. sometimes a little, sometimes a lot. it depends. when joni is about to tour or release a cd, the joni content increases. then there are lull periods or periods in which another topic arises and the list plunges into it with a vengeance. this is a very protean list. there are some basic etiquette rules that we all try to respect [sometimes we don't succeed] and then we just pick up on whatever we care to discuss or delete or save in a separate folder, etc.. one thing this list is not is regimental or organized around a managerial chart. again, all of us read our welcome messages to the list or les's page. there is sufficient information there on how to find the list mode that best suits our personal aspirations. the rest is up to each of us. additionally, if there's anything in particular you [original sender] want to discuss, go ahead and state YOUR individual question related to joni mitchell -- not to human resources management -- and somebody bites or maybe nobody bites and it sits up in a loft somewhere till it dies. wallyk > > ----- Mensaje original ----- > De: > Para: > Enviado: Domingo 9 de Enero de 2000 16:39 > Asunto: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #13 > > > > I am a newcomer to this discussion list and not very technologically > > adept at this yet. I am very grateful and amazed at the high quality of > Wally > > Breese's work in creating JoniMitchell.com. I look forward to "discussing" > > the strengths and weaknesses of Ms. Mitchell's lyrics. I have nothing > really > > to say about her music, but will sit back to listen and learn about it, if > > you will let me. Like many of you, I have enjoyed following Joni > Mitchell's > > art from age 16, when I fell for a girl friend who was performing her > music > > on stage and was a Joni clone. I liked the music's early folk roots and > have > > kept up over the years to her latest work. I do not really understand a > lot > > of what many of you are talking about. I am not a particularly dense > person, > > but I am someone whose focus is on thoughts, ideas, art and the creative > > process. I am not focused on other people's personal matters, although I > am > > glad people are clear on their own standings in the world. I understand > that > > people do have the need to bond emotionally , but I have plenty of > emotional > > intensity in my life already. I am not looking for pen-pals or a chat room > to > > share my privacy. If this is what the so-called "discussion list" is, I > will > > undoubtedly drop out soon. If, however, we can get some focused discussion > > going about Ms. Michell's literary and musical work, which will inevitably > > require some of her input, then I'm in for a while. > > I have some training in successful staff development. I still work > with a > > staff of 100+ people. In order to facilitate effective discussions in > which ev > > eryone makes a contribution, or at least feels an obligation to focus on > the > > topic at hand, we developed one focus question at a time related to our > > profession, after we had already taken time to come up with some agreed > upon > > norms we all could live with. Since we are not in the same room or > > face-to-face, some people who wish to go off on a tangent not related to > the > > focus question could remind themselves to focus on the discussion question > at > > hand, and perhaps find a way to share e-mail addresses to talk about other > > more personal things. > > So I propose that, if you want, each of us answers a first focus > question > > individually, which would be: > > What group norms do I need everyone to respect in order for me to focus on > > particular aspects of Joni Mitchell's body of work? > > > > I need people to withhold all side-bar conversations and to send all > > tangential Joni Mitchell information to individual e-mail addresses or to > > Wally Breese to publish in another format. > > > > Sorry to sound so "take-charge," but I want to get on with the > > discussion, and avoid feeling as though I'm eavesdropping on private and > > personal conversations. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 21:12:40 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: need and address..njc hi, hellen, I need your address so I can mail your package. Sorry to bother everyone! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 02:33:45 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: RV: JMDL Digest V2000 #13 sjc Gosh Wally, you are quite right! I've just read the message again, and I didn't realsie how *offish* it was.... Hi Riverangel. With the greatest of respect, it seems you need to select the *joni-only* option for e-mails from this list. Glad you like the work Wally's put into the site, and I'm sure the *joni-only* discussions will provide what you're looking for. Perhaps your tone was unfortunate, or unintentional, but it didn't come across too well. You won't find a nicer, friendlier and more open-minded buch of folks on the net....treat them kindly :-) It's more a *community* than a cold discussion forum, really. Whatever floats your boat, I can understand how some might not wish to deal with the non-Joni content. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:02:47 +1100 From: john low Subject: NJC the year 2000 Gosh, I enjoyed Linda's and Colin's (and the responses so far)posts on staying young. They are really inspiring to an old bloke like me. Like Linda, I can remember thinking as a child of what it would be like in the year 2000 and calculating how old I would be. It was just too far away to really take seriously. However, as the clock ticked in 2000 a week or so ago, I was standing alone in the dark on our verandah and I thought of this again - a profound and 'spooky' moment! I agree with Linda, Colin and South Carolina's Peter Pan, Bob M., about keeping that youthful enthusiasm and outlook. I am in my 50s now and some time ago I began to understand what that 73 year-old friend of Colin's felt. The inside does not have to change (except, one hopes, in the development of a wise maturity :-), despite the inevitable exterior decline. The 'old' people that I most admire are those who have remained, on the inside, "forever young". It sounds silly, but when I was considering joining this list I found myself feeling vaguely guilty about still enjoying rock music in my 50s! Perhaps a more work-related discussion list would have been more appropriate to my age, I thought. Fortunately this was only a momentary aberration and I joined anyway and the jmdl, of course, has validated my decision. I hope that I will continue to not *feel* old. I don't want to end up a curmudgeonly old grump and I really don't think I will. When they wheel me into the nursing home they will have to make room for Joni, Dylan, The Grateful Dead, John Coltrane, Neil Young and a whole host of others who I will insist come with me. The place will rock!!! Wise old Uncle John in Sydney. __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 22:15:19 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: I'm Baaaaaaaaaack ! Hello All- Gawd how I have missed you guys. I had access to a puter at my sisters house, but was not able to retrieve my email from the att netmail thing. We had a wonderful restful time and I am sooo glad to be home. Julian kept saying I want to go home to my own house and I know exactly how he feels. New Years was awesome on the beach at a friends home with a few families, fewer friends, a live band for me to jam with, and some fireworks on the beach. We were less than 30 pp and it was just sooo special. I thought of you guys several times that night and sent you a dedication when I did Love Puts On A New Face. The guys in the band loved the Joni stuff, so I know have to go out and get a bunch of CD's for them to hear. The guitar player used to be my bass player in one of the bands I had down there. I was able to play several times over vacation and last Thursday night played in a club with some other guys I use to play with. Alot of family and friends came out to the gig and we had a wonderful time together. One of Honduras's most famous singers Moises Canelo (a guy I use to be in a band with almost 30 years ago) came over to my sisters house and we passed an acoustic guitar around till 3am, then he joined us for the jam at the club with my other friends. I have not caught up with the digests yet, but I am trying. My list for top releases last year in no particular order: Macy Gray Buena Vista Social Club Santana David Lahm Jazz Takes On Joni Tim Reynolds and Dave Matthews Live Of course I got so many other recordings over the year that were sooo amazing from Bob, Steve, Kakki, Harper Lou, Les, Marcel,.....I am so looking forward to this year and the Joni Tribute show here in New Orleans. I will be posting the news I promised from the office tomorrow. Stay tuned! Love you all, Michael NP-Golden Lady-Stevie Wonder ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 01:55:35 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: I'm Baaaaaaaaaack ! njc viva la joda!!!! michael the great is back and he is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!!!!!!!! wallyk - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Michael Paz Para: Enviado: Lunes 10 de Enero de 2000 01:15 Asunto: I'm Baaaaaaaaaack ! > Hello All- > Gawd how I have missed you guys ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:44:19 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: NJC Hawaii NJC Aloha everyone out there in Joniland~ I just received the BEST prescription for Seasonal Affective Disorder - two weeks in Hawaii! My closest buddy John was diagnosed with lung/spine/brain cancer last summer & for his birthday next month we're visiting my family's pad on the Big Island. JMDL's own Rainbow lives 3 miles away & has offered a Rainbow Tour of the local hotsprings (off-limits to most Haole's like us). I lived there for 2 years but never found the REALLY good ones.... Valentine's Day promises an unofficial Jonifest on the Waa Waa Red Road (altho BSN will probably not hit the Hawaiian stores for another week, Fourth World Time). Can you imagine swimming with dolphins on a black beach, watching lava slowly create the next Hawaiian island, drinking & eating a coconut? E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 23:14:06 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: I'm Baaaaaaaaaack ! njc Wally K sang: > viva la joda!!!! michael the great is back and he is > baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!!!!!!!! Yay!! Viva la Paza! Michael, it is sooo good to see you back. Can't wait for your big news manana! Kakki NP: Still Van Man - Did Ye Get Healed? (Got my tix for the Wiltern show - yippee!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 23:31:51 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC the year 2000 Wise young Uncle John wrote: > Like Linda, I can remember thinking as a child of what it would be > like in the year 2000 and calculating how old I would be. It was just > too far away to really take seriously. However, as the clock ticked in > 2000 a week or so ago, I was standing alone in the dark on our > verandah and I thought of this again - a profound and 'spooky' moment! Linda's post was beautiful. On New Year's Eve, I also remembered back to when I was very young thinking of how I would be in the year 2000. I'd envisioned myself as a very gray-haired *old* lady and NEVER would have believed in a million years that I would still feel and pretty much look the same as I did as a teenager. If it's not the preservatives in our foods ;-) then our attitude and approach toward life must go a long way toward keeping us young, in addition to better nutrition and health care. We've all known people in our lives who have gone though the greatest hardships and often serious illnesses and yet who somehow miraculously keep on going. In every one I've known, it's their attitude and spirit that makes the difference. A friend of mine's father is now in his 70s and has been through so much in his life yet still likes to occasionally play Creedence Clearwater and the Rolling Stones full blast from his stereo! > It sounds silly, but when I was considering joining this list I found > myself feeling vaguely guilty about still enjoying rock music in my > 50s! Perhaps a more work-related discussion list would have been more > appropriate to my age, I thought. Fortunately this was only a > momentary aberration and I joined anyway and the jmdl, of course, has > validated my decision. Oh thank God you didn't go for the work-related list, John!! Go toward the light, go toward the light! ;-) Kakki NP: Van - another one still a rockin' ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #14 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?