From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #13 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Sunday, January 9 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 013 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: vacation njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] FW: Today's Thought... - NJC [evian ] Re: KCSN Joni Interview ["rick novosel" ] Re: njc or not njc? NJC ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: sensitivity to the insensitve? [Deb Messling ] Re: The List (NJC) [Deb Messling ] Re: sensitivity to the insensitve? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC the year 2000 [Linda Worster ] RE: NJC the year 2000 [Chris Marshall ] Re: NJC the year 2000 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Tom Rush on NPR [howard ] Warning!! ["Russell Bowden" ] Re: NJC the year 2000 [catman ] Re: Warning!!NJC [catman ] Re: njc or not njc? NJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: sensitivity to the insensitve? NJC? [CaTGirl627@aol.com] RE: NJC the year 2000 [Linda Worster ] Re: NJC the year 2000 [Linda Worster ] Re: Tom Rush on NPR [Vince Lavieri ] Re: NJC the year 2000 [CaTGirl627@aol.com] CD recorders NJC [BarBearUh ] following people come forth... [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Reusing tapes (NJC) [Brian Gross ] Re: NJC the year 2000 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: sensitivity to the insensitve? NJC? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Warning!! NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] London Jonifest [Bounced Message ] Re: njc or not njc? NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] February issue Guitar World [pattihaskins@mindspring.com] Re: NJC the year 2000 [Jason Maloney ] Re: What ONE album would you loan? [Relayer211@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 05:00:53 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: vacation njc bye-bye david! have a wonderful time! wallyk De: Para: Enviado: Sábado 8 de Enero de 2000 01:30 Asunto: vacation njc > We are going away Sunday for two weeks. I will read my e-mail when I return > late on Sun., January 23. > > I wish you all the best in the meantime; you are an important and positive > part of my life. DAVID LAHM > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 02:11:57 -0600 From: evian Subject: FW: Today's Thought... - NJC ROFL!!!!!! OMG, the landoverbaptist site is the funniest thing I have seen in ages, better than the Onion!!! LOLOLOL!!!! Thanks, Colin! Evian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 00:15:59 -0800 From: "rick novosel" Subject: Re: KCSN Joni Interview Just a reminder to all Canadian JMDLers that I am the official northern branch for the KCSN interview tape. I received it a day or so ago and, from what I've been able to listen to, it is tremendous (quality not withstanding). Contact me off-list for details on how to get yours. Kakki wrote: >Also, I think no matter how mature a lady becomes, she always needs to retain a >bit of her inner-ingenue. That mirrors an impression I got from the part of the interview I listened to where Joni comes across as brilliant, opinionated, outspoken, but still somehow retaining a bit of youthful uncertainty. Hearing the few minutes that I have reminded me of why I fell in love with her 30 years ago. All good things Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 03:59:06 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: njc or not njc? NJC WallyK cracked me up pointing out why I love the JMDL: << ....i also love it when the list gets really unruly and naughty and we all write limericks or discuss semiotics or just fool around and say PUSSY. some days you wake up and play djrd, for example, and you just have to run to the computer and post some ecstatic message about otis and marlena. >> Okay, I admit that I think Joni painted herself NAKED on the cover of Mingus. & Marlena is my Jewish sweetheart.... These discussions have been very stimulating & I deeply appreciate the high caliber of our JMDL. Sincerely, E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 07:32:45 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: sensitivity to the insensitve? I don't know if we're voting, but as someone who has whined a lot about NJC, I would say that Jonifest stuff definitely belongs on the Joni list. At 10:45 PM 1/7/00 EST, you wrote: >I totally agree with Kakki here. To post NJC or to not post NJC that is the >question...only-Jonis? >Catgirl > > Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 07:37:34 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: The List (NJC) This statistic may be misleading. I sub to the regular list, so I get the NJC mail, but I set up my filters to send them to a separate folder. That way if I have time I can read them and when I'm busy I can trash them. I bet a lot of people are using their mail filters the same way, so it's not only the joni-only listers who need the NJC tag. At 12:15 AM 1/8/00 -0500, you wrote: >Also, the last time Les posted the numbers it was revealed that >approximately 2% of the subscribed were on the Joni-only list. So all >that tagging of NJC is done by 98% for under 50 people. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 08:24:08 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: sensitivity to the insensitve? Deb said: << I don't know if we're voting, but as someone who has whined a lot about NJC, I would say that Jonifest stuff definitely belongs on the Joni list. >> I agree...to me, this one's a real no-brainer. The purpose of the Fests, IMO, is to meet and greet and talk and all, but the sharing of Joni's music is the true joy! Most of the JMDL fest posts discuss the renditions of Joni's songs. Why wouldn't that belong on the Only List? By the same token, if a fest post doesn't contain any such references (if you're talking about mosquito bites or something ;~D), the NJC should be added. Hell, it really doesn't matter to me, I like to see it all anyway! Bob NP: My son whining to get him to his B-ball game and I'm still in my robe! Yikes!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 09:29:32 -0500 From: Linda Worster Subject: NJC the year 2000 When I was 7 or so, I developed a fascination for the year 2000. I remember lying in bed, imagining what it might be like (focusing mainly on technological advances in communication and transportation and medicine) and calculating how old I would be at the turn of the century. I thought... "WOW! I'll be... OLD!" On December 31st 1999, I went to town to do a few errands and quite un-self-consciously lept to the railing in the parking lot to balance and walk there... as I did constantly at 7. AT age 7... I never conceived that being 48 would include still behaving like that in public without even thinking. I realized.... I don't *feel* old.... I don't feel any different- in the core of my being. I feel young and vital and alive there- despite this body that betrays me sometimes now.... despite the hardships of life. I looked up into the window of the bank and caught my reflection.... Still a kid AND have been here on the planet for almost 50 years. A little experience... still a heart of good will... Someone still remembering Spirit and Life and Love and trying to live that Truth each day. I liked what I saw. I'd never thought about how this day would be just an ordinary day- walking, eating, sleeping, breathing etc... "Here I am..." I thought... "tomorrow will be the year 2000... I'm LIVING in this day that I can recall visualizing and fantasizing about for 40+ years." SO many things have happened in the intervening years that I could not have anticipated. My life did not go the way I thought it would. But I AM a good measure of WHO I had hoped to be. And I still believe with all my heart that, as Colin said in his eloquent and touching new year's greeting (my first of this long-anticipated year 2000), Love really IS the answer. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 16:00:27 -0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: RE: NJC the year 2000 On Saturday, January 08, 2000 2:30 PM, Linda Worster [SMTP:lworster@taconic.net] wrote: > I looked up into the window of the bank and caught my reflection.... Couldn't help but mentally sing "...in the mirrors of a modern bank" :-) - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:05:26 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC the year 2000 In a message dated 1/8/00 8:35:24 AM US Central Standard Time, lworster@taconic.net writes: << On December 31st 1999, I went to town to do a few errands and quite un-self-consciously lept to the railing in the parking lot to balance and walk there... as I did constantly at 7. AT age 7... I never conceived that being 48 would include still behaving like that in public without even thinking. >> Beautiful post and poetry, Linda...brings to mind the little ditty I sing out loud all the time, from the stage version of "Peter Pan" "If growing up means it would be, beneath my dignity to climb a tree, I don't wanna grow up, don't wanna grow up, never wanna grow up, not ME!" :~) Bob, who wouldn't think of letting a day go by without doing at least ONE "foolish" thing... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 10:35:48 -0800 From: howard Subject: Tom Rush on NPR this morning, on Weekend Edition, Tom Rush was interviewed by Scott Simon. When asked what his most requested song was, Rush said, this time of year, Joni Mitchell's "Urge for Going". during the interview, he talked about how, in the early days, Joni approached him in Detroit and played for him--to explain how he found her music. He praised her lyrics as literary, among other things. Nice wakeup. Also, I got a surprise the other day from a friend, a belated Xmas gift. My friend is a concierge at a hotel in Chicago--the one where Joni stayed when she was in town in 98 for the Dylan tour. Apparently, my friend took great care of JM and her entourage and one of her people, Don McGee (I think), asked my friend if he wanted anything from JM--an autographed photo, whatever--and, after thinking about it, Richard asked for a photo, signed, and written to me. Richard made his request in a note. A year later, Richard got a package in the mail from Don, with the original note, and an apologetic "Better late than never?!?" and it was a signed photo of JM (not dedicated to me) which Richard had framed and gave to me the other day, along with the note, for Xmas. It's beautiful and sits among the photos of members of my family on my mantle. Howard M. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 09:07:50 PST From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Warning!! (Grinning diabolically) Some of the sentences in this post may lack JC...but I doubt it. Hey, All, I am not sure if this has been discussed in posts of yore; but does anyone think that Louise (of Gail and Louise) might be Cherokee Louise? How many of the folks that Joni mentions by name in her songs are real or composed? Carol/WTRF, Sharon/H, Betsy/H,the aforementioned Gail and/or Louise/THOSL/NRH. So many of the people she has placed in her songs we already know to based on real people,eg. suspenders/J. Taylor. Rainy Night House/Oh, God I've forgotten, you know who I mean? Willie/LOTC,etc. Who has the poop on this?? This section I consider JC cause it is a defense of the Joni Only deal. I, too, find the Plug of the Week a major distraction...It's like having a commercial in the middle of a really good movie....The guitar/bass/extreme technical posts that SEEM TO GO ON FOREVER, with no JC irk the hell out of me, too. (I rarely rant on the list, so you can go to the next post or stick with me for another moment..Hey, this feels good!!) Last one: The seemingly never-ending posts about some Joni rip-off wailing. sorry-assed flash in the pan, 'artiste' If folks want to go to or start a new page/list...then please do it..and leave this list for Joni...for God's sake Mama, it has HER name on it, OK? I never realized I am such a Joni Facist... All claws now withdrawn. Love, Russ...Trembling and gleaming....ready for the riot ax Also apologizing in advance..no offense meant...my Mother always told me my sass would do me in, and she has been right on that...what can I say? I'm a Gemini! NP all this ranting, all this wind ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 17:29:54 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: NJC the year 2000 Linda Worster wrote: > When I was 7 or so, I developed a fascination for the year 2000. > I remember lying in bed, imagining what it might be like > (focusing mainly on technological advances > in communication and transportation and medicine) > and calculating how old I would be at the turn of the century. > > I thought... "WOW! I'll be... OLD!" I was sure I wouldn't be here. Am glad to have been wrong!(mind you I also thought no-one would be here-I grew up with the idea of Armageddon) > > > On December 31st 1999, I went to town to do a few errands > and quite un-self-consciously lept to the railing in the parking lot > to balance and walk there... as I did constantly at 7. > AT age 7... I never conceived that being 48 would include still behaving > like that in public without even thinking. That is the odd thing. I had a freind named Francis who was 75 when she died. At 73 she said to me that she felt no different to when she was 16-only the outside had fallen apart. Life thrills me(and frightens me at times). For me it has been 41 years and it has been amazing. For most of those 41 years, I did not want to be here at all, really resented the fact I was. Now my feelings are the opposite. Some people I see and know are old way before their time. Some say it is the pressures and responsiblity of adulthood that does it to you. i disagree-I think one allows oneself to go stale inside. You'll still find me on my hands and knees on the floor making silly noises at the dogs and having them jump all over me, or making goo goo noises at them in my lap, or tickling John as i pass, and watching childrens films or tv and hoping the children put one over the grown ups(they usually do). However, when i go to Downing College as I do regulalry to see someone, I tend to feel odd. I am surrounded by students in their late teens and early 20's. Then i notice I am not their age-but only because they notice it and talk to me like I am a grown up. Recently, the phone at my bank was answered by a woman who said'Hi my name's Carly, how can I help you?'. I said, 'oh you were named after my favourite singer.' there was a pause and she said' oh yeah my dad named me after an old singer he likes'.!! Okay, so our bodies grow old and eventually die. there is no need for us to grow old inside. Having a giggle at naughty words or limericks as have been on this list recently is good for your health and for keeping you young and prevents you becoming an old fart. A sense of the ridiculous and of humour are things to hang on to. Besides it is only convention that says how an adult should behave and you can hang that. So next time you want to have a go on the swings, or slide down the slide, or climb a tree or do as Linda has done and walk along the rail-do it!! Or pull a face at some person as you're driving buy(driving best unless you can still run fast!). But ,most of all, don't take life or yourself so damned seriously. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 17:36:27 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Warning!!NJC > The guitar/bass/extreme > technical posts that SEEM TO GO ON FOREVER, with no JC irk the hell out of > me, too. mmm...but obviously they are considered JC as she plays a guitar and so do the people writing about guitar playing. In this case GC is allowed even if there is no JC. Perhaps it is only NJC that is not GC that is detested. Good point Russell. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 12:54:32 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: njc or not njc? NJC In a message dated 1/8/2000 2:54:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, wallykai@interserver.com.ar writes: << was talking to a friend of mine about the limericks today. i translated a couple for him. he thought it was so cool. he was even a little jealous! i suddenly remembered how it felt to be in high school. you really want to behave yourself and do all those quadratic equations -- hey, you actually like math -- but the guys at the back are so funny and maybe they're just making fart noises and you know it's stupid. but silly is funny that day and you just have to take a break and leave the math for some other time. ok. i totally lost the thread of what i was saying. i guess that what i mean is like, man, lighten up, label appropriately and don't feel guilty if you feel like getting the giggles. wallyk >> You said it Wally high school! It has been sooo long I was in high scholl that getting to that point of feeling that was is like wow...I can remember and I can dream! This subject has always kinda bothered me because if I say one thing about her how is that listed. Like if I said I had a dream about her is that Joni content? Or...if I was talking about her and the thread changes does it take away from the thread to the only Jonis if they suddenly don't get anymore mail on the subject because the thread ahs shifted? What if it shifts and then goes back again to joni only? do they only get half of the mails? I probably forget to label my mail more then most since I just respond with out really looking out the header...ooppss!! Or...(here is a good one) If I am making music Joni or not... for someone and I don't know if they are on the only Joni how do I respond? Joni-Only or NJC? How will they know that I have their stuff done if I don't let the whole list know??? so many question so little time... Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 13:10:20 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: sensitivity to the insensitve? NJC? In a message dated 1/8/2000 8:26:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << I agree...to me, this one's a real no-brainer. The purpose of the Fests, IMO, is to meet and greet and talk and all, but the sharing of Joni's music is the true joy! Most of the JMDL fest posts discuss the renditions of Joni's songs. Why wouldn't that belong on the Only List? By the same token, if a fest post doesn't contain any such references (if you're talking about mosquito bites or something ;~D), the NJC should be added. Hell, it really doesn't matter to me, I like to see it all anyway! Bob >> Well I guess I have less then normal brain function...too many late nights! If I say one thing about Join do I type NJC or not? What if I heard a song at the market? Is that a Joni topic or not? sorry to sound like such an idiot but I sometimes feel that I should always (like Wally K does) NJC so not to get in trouble... Catgirl trying not to sound stupid..ooppss!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 13:11:16 -0500 From: Linda Worster Subject: RE: NJC the year 2000 I wrote: >> I looked up into the window of the bank and caught my reflection.... and Chris sang back: >Couldn't help but mentally sing "...in the mirrors of a modern bank" > >:-) reading my mind, Chris! I was wondering how many Joni folks would hum that tune with me there... I definitely was referring to our Joan... didn't want to make it toooo obvious though :~) Linda, wishing she could hear your bass playing on all these Joni songs I'm learning these days... the UK gathering sounded like it was so wonderful! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 13:11:56 -0500 From: Linda Worster Subject: Re: NJC the year 2000 Bob... as usual- so encouraging, says... >Beautiful post and poetry, Linda...brings to mind the little ditty I sing out >loud all the time, from the stage version of "Peter Pan" > Thanks Bob.... I've LOVED that song- since I was a kid. Hey what am I saying... I still am a kid.... :~) >Bob, who wouldn't think of letting a day go by without doing at least ONE >"foolish" thing... go boy!!!!!! Linda, who BTW really enjoyed the recent limerick silliness- being from Nantucket, I've heard a LOT of THOSE sorts of limericks... :~D NP Tom Waits "Jesus Gonna Be Here" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 13:21:37 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Tom Rush on NPR howard wrote: > this morning, on Weekend Edition, Tom Rush was interviewed by Scott > Simon. When asked what his most requested song was, Rush said, this > time of year, Joni Mitchell's "Urge for Going". during the interview, > he talked about how, in the early days, Joni approached him in Detroit > and played for him--to explain how he found her music. He praised her > lyrics as literary, among other things. Nice wakeup. > And to add to this wonderful Joni moment, Tom Rush also richly praised her music, and then played "Urge for Going." Like Howard, I thought it was a wonderful Joni moment. (the Rev) Vinve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 13:16:54 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC the year 2000 In a message dated 1/8/2000 11:08:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << If growing up means it would be, beneath my dignity to climb a tree, I don't wanna grow up, don't wanna grow up, never wanna grow up, not ME!" :~) Bob, who wouldn't think of letting a day go by without doing at least ONE "foolish" thing... >> Oh I have never grown up...I have gotten wrinkles and my body doesn't work as well as it did befor. Otherwise my brain function is that of a 13 year old...same year I found Joni...coincidence?...maybe.... Catgirl ;o) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 13:22:33 -0500 From: BarBearUh Subject: CD recorders NJC happy new year everybody! just throwing in some additional experience.... i bought one and made my year end gift mix on it, using software from adaptec. beware of this: software may not be compatible with hardware. you have to look very closely at all of this (the research on purchasing this thing was a nightmare for what i wanted to do). i have a mac - i bought adaptec jam, which is a $150-90 program that allows you to do editing, cross-fading, transition previews, level changes and printouts of your track list (toast, the mac version of easy CD creator, does none of those things). toast was compatible with my drive, but it turned out jam wasn't. i got around it, but it caused a lot of extra work (i won't bore you with the details). but i love jam - it's a great piece of software. it is bundled with peakLE, and if i was to start all over again, i might buy the full version of peak, which can do a lot of great stuff. all this is only necessary if you're interested in perfect mixes, certainly don't even consider it if you're just copying data or CDs. one thing i have learned about writing errors is that the original CD can often be a culprit. i highly recommend extracting (copying CD wav files to your hard drive and making them aiffs) a CD before copying it. that way you'll know before you waste another piece of plastic if you're going to have a problem. things like a smudge or scratch on the original will make a bad unusable disc. peak is also handy when there is a problem with the source CD - i found it can extract a file when toast can't. one more thing from the soapbox - don't throw all your tape tree ethics out the window. be clear that you are breaking the law when you copy intellectual property and depriving artists of their royalties. barbara '99 top 5: cassandra wilson/traveling miles, meshell ndegeocello/bitter, andy stochansky/radiofusebox, ani difranco/to the teeth, bruce cockburn/breakfast in new orleans ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 14:48:19 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: following people come forth... Greetings.. The following people, your packages will be mailed sometime this week Sorry for posting both JC AND NJC.. Catgirl Hellen from New Zealand Martin from London Wally K from Argentina Everett from Jersey.. Everett you certanly have a very anticlimatic address..LOL! Catgirl ;o) ps if I owe anyone else anything..tell me!! brain function or lack there of...remember? LOL! >^..^< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 12:19:10 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Reusing tapes (NJC) When reusing audio or video tapes, you'll always get better results when you start with a clean tape. Bulk erasers are much more effective than the erase heads on tape decks. Radio Shack has a highly effective, yet inexpensive one on sale now thru 1/29/00. Model 44-233 is advertised at $26.99, $10 below the regular price. I've been using this same one for about five years now, and the only negative about it is its medium duty cycle, whereby it will run for 1 minute ON then must sit for 30 minutes OFF prior to reuse to avoid overheating. So, unless you're going to go over to your worst enemy's place and zap his entire library ;-) this is the one for you. Later, Brian np: Loreena Live (ahhhh) ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:33:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC the year 2000 In a message dated 1/8/00 12:15:46 PM US Central Standard Time, lworster@taconic.net writes: << being from Nantucket, I've heard a LOT of THOSE sorts of limericks... :~D >> There once was a gal from Nantucket... (Nope, not even gonna go there...:~D) Bob, who DID get his limerick meters right! NP: Muddy Waters, "Mannish Boy" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:43:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: sensitivity to the insensitve? NJC? In a message dated 1/8/00 12:10:20 PM US Central Standard Time, CaTGirl627 writes: << Well I guess I have less then normal brain function>> Now, now, Catgirl, no arching the back and hissing at ME! :~D << If I say one thing about Joni do I type NJC or not? What if I heard a song at the market? Is that a Joni topic or not? sorry to sound like such an idiot but I sometimes feel that I should always (like Wally K does) NJC so not to get in trouble... >> If it has Joni content, then it shouldn't be labeled NJC...if you hear a Joni song and it inspires you to write to the list, it's JONI CONTENT. Joni dreams, Joni content. Dreams about teeth falling out? NJC LOL!! The only hard call for me is when we pull an NJC thread back to Joni...when does it drop the NJC tag, or should it remain NJC as the "onlies" won't have the history of the thread? (This actually happens more than you think...) Bob NP: The Band, "The Shape I'm In" (Last Waltz) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:59:58 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Warning!! NJC In a message dated 1/8/00 11:10:20 AM US Central Standard Time, rustytrazom@hotmail.com writes: << Sharon/H, >> This is specifically about her friend Sharon Bell, who wanted to be a star while Joni wanted to live on a farm...they ended up living out each other's fantasies. There's a nice story about it on the Atlanta '98 concert. Matter of fact, Joni introduces the song as "Song For Sharon Bell". << This section I consider JC cause it is a defense of the Joni Only deal. I, too, find the Plug of the Week a major distraction...It's like having a commercial in the middle of a really good movie....The guitar/bass/extreme technical posts that SEEM TO GO ON FOREVER, with no JC irk the hell out of me, too. (I rarely rant on the list, so you can go to the next post or stick with me for another moment..Hey, this feels good!!)>> Guess what? You got a "scroll" or a "delete" feature...use 'em! Though I too tire of Peter advertising his obscure artists, I was turned on to a nice John Hall disc in '99, and I can delete 'em in a second when I'm not interested... As for the guitar/bass posts, I don't play but I imagine it must be HEAVENLY to be able to discuss with fellow players around the world how to master these complex Joni melodies, patterns, and rhythms...I would NEVER think to tell them to silence their conversation because it didn't interest ME! How SELFISH that would be!! <> And I have to respectfully and vehemently disagree with you on this one too. Thanks to Michael Y, I discovered MeShells poignant "Bitter". Thanks to Michael Paz, I bopped to Macy Gray all year. "Joni Rip-off's?" I think not. A GENEROUS portion of the music purchases I have made in last two years have been strongly influenced by the tastes of people I have come to love and respect, and I hope those opinions and recommendations keep coming!! God knows I will keep blabbing about new music that I'M excited about. << I never realized I am such a Joni Facist... >> Well, now that you do, maybe you can seek some help for it...like maybe expanding your musical palate...;~) Bob NP: Van Morrison, "Caravan" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 16:39:12 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: London Jonifest From: "Marian Russell" Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 23:06:35 CET Arrived safely back home tonight around 7 p.m. GMT. Our cat is really glad to see us! I'm still off-list, but just wanted to check in quickly to say many thanks to Jamie for organizing the Jonifest, to Chris Marshall for bringing his bass and equipment along, to Jason, Jacky, Martin, Jerry, Azeem, and Rob, as well as Jamie's friends and Chris' friend Sarah, for being such attentive listeners, to Kevin (hope you are on the list by now) for giving me two additional songs to learn in the new year (he asked for Little Green and Free Man In Paris and I don't know them - sorry Kevin!), to Sarah for the spare train ticket, and to Azeem for the interesting conversation and music and providing a warm place to sleep after the fest so that I didn't have to try to get back home to south of London all alone late at night. It was really nice to meet people face to face and I hope to be able to meet you all again on another occasion. I was especially glad to meet Jamie, Azeem, Rob, and Jason, since I have corresponded on more than one occasion with all of them. It would have been nice to meet Colin, Rafaelle, Howard and other UK jimdlers. I know that Colin was busy with new puppies - hope things are going well Colin - and I heard from Azeem that Rafaelle was sick with the flu. Hope he's feeling better by now. I was glad that I at least got to see some pictures (at Azeem's house after the fest) of Colin and some of his beautiful animals so that I now have a face to go with the name and some idea of his work with animals. I also saw a picture of his handsome partner, John. The fest for me really started early in the day at Jamie's house where Jamie and Chris Marshall and I went through some of our repertoire to work out what we could play together in the evening. It was great fun! Chris Marshall is a truly outstanding bass player who was able to play the bass lines for Cotton Avenue, DJRD, Strange Boy, Don't Interrupt The Sorrow, Coyote and other songs that I don't remember now Jaco-perfectly. It was totally amazing to practice Cotton Avenue with him and have it come out the first time and it was truly a thrill overall to play Joni's music and hear it played with a live Jaco bassline - it sounds so different than playing alone - the bass really rounds out the sound - completes it. Jamie has a wonderful voice - very rich plus great projection - and his delivery was always heartfelt and sincere. He also plays a mean guitar - he has a very interesting strumming slapping technique and some quite original takes on Joni's songs whereas I tend towards verbatim, although, on the one song where I'm not so true to Joni's version, Coyote, I learned a few of Joni's details from Jamie. He also has songs in his repertoire that I don't do (especially Don't Interrupt The Sorrow which I feel inspired to learn now - - it has a very interesting set of chord progressions) so that when it came to the evening performance, we had a wide range of songs and had a nice balance, I felt, with some songs of both of us greatly/wonderfully/significantly enhanced by Chris on bass guitar. Jamie is also an excellent cook - he served us an amazing pasta dish - it had a sauce of blue cheese and mushrooms with an unexpected sprinkling of corriander on the top - it was really tasty (I think I will be experimenting in future with corriander in dishes where one would not normally expect it - quite a nice surprise combinations of flavors!). I really should close now. Still need to unpack. Our house is freezing - or nearly - the temperature was about 2 degrees Centigrade (35 F) when we arrived home - our heater went on the blink while we were gone. It is too slowly getting warmer - must be at least 8 degrees by now. :^( Hope everyone had a wonderful millennium celebration! Best wishes to all! Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:01:52 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: njc or not njc? NJC I couldn't use my computer for a couple of days, and I've just caught up on all of this JC vs NJC, and NJC people who say there's too much NJC, and when NJC should be properly used etc..... It's enough to make any lurker stay hidden forever. (Yes, I know that a lot of people who don't post, do so by choice.) There still are some folks out there who would post about Joni or whatever, but they are scared to take that first step. Defining when the *absolute* correct time to use NJC to a post doesn't help much. I was on the list for over a year before I first posted, so I know the feeling. I've enjoyed reading the posts the past couple of months.......Joni's art at LACE, the millennium countdown, top 5 CD's of '99, Wally Breese's weekend with Joni, all of the Happy Holidays, seasonal films, Joni's mortgage being paid, Jonifest in London, and the lymrics too. I usually read most of the posts, but if there is a post that I'm not interested in, I hit the delete key. I like what Wally K. wrote: << i guess that what i mean is like, man, lighten up, label appropriately and don't feel guilty if you feel like getting the giggles. >> There is no surefire solution to please everyone on either list, so IMO guitar players keep on talking about tunings, Peter keep on plugging, Laura keep on finding me bargains, people keep on making me think and laugh, and Joni keep on inspiring us all. and the rest of you hit the delete key Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 19:07:09 -0600 From: pattihaskins@mindspring.com Subject: February issue Guitar World Hi all, Got the new issue of Guitar World in the mail today and saw this Joni sighting: "60 Minutes of Music That Rocks My World" with Johnny Rzeznik of the Goo Goo Dolls: GIMME SHELTER, Rolling Stones COMPLETE CONTROL, The Clash HARDLY GETTING OVER IT, Husker Du SHOOT OUT THE LIGHT, Richard Thompson HYPER ENOUGH, Superchunk STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN, Led Zeppelin LEFT OF THE DIAL, The Replacements RIVER, Joni Mitchell 1965, Afghan Whigs BORN TO RUN, Bruce Springsteen WHAT IT'S LIKE, Everlast After each selection, a paragraph from Johnny explaining his choice, here's what he said about Joni: "God, that song, man. It makes you feel...I feel like I'm going to cry just talking about it. When she starts playing 'Jingle Bells' as the song goes into this very melancholy, minor sort of thing—forget it. I get a lump in my throat. She makes you feel all the innocence that's inevitably lost as you go through life. I really believe that women have much easier access to their souls than men do. Because as men we're taught to wear masks, to drown our emotions in competition and making money. Now women are being forced to do that, too. But I just admire their capacity to bear their spirituality so much more deeply than men." Below the quote is a picture of Joni playing a black Parker Fly, she's wearing the straw hat so I guess maybe its from Woodstock. The same issue has Carlos Santana on the cover with a great overview/interview of his career and also what they claim is a "world-exclusive sit-down" with Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young. Patti in Dallas NP - my husband's band, The Big Guns, getting ready for a gig tonite. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 01:06:30 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: NJC the year 2000 Hi Linda, That was some post.....absolutely beautiful. Not been having the best of days, and that brought my soul to life again. As anyone who's seen the introduction on my site, I also used to think about that mysterious, magical date of the year 2000. Back then, I wouldn't have guessed in a million years how things would actually turn out for me come the time. But perhaps, come that time, cometh the man...in an odd kind of way. No point trying to turn back the clock, the only way is forward. Holding on to the spark of youth and the thrll of being alive is hard to do a lot of the time, but it's something worth hanging on to. I hope I never lose sight of it, as I did in my teens. Thank you for such an stirring, evocative post, Linda.... Best wishes, Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 20:55:42 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: What ONE album would you loan? For the Roses ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #13 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?