From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #10 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Friday, January 7 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 010 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: limerick NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Disco, 2nd try [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Payola [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: KCSN Joni Interview [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Disco, 2nd try NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni Virgins and their 1st Listen ["Russell Bowden" ] Re: Disco, 2nd try [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Disco, 2nd try NJC [Vince Lavieri ] RE: Disco, 2nd try NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] LW III NJC [Vince Lavieri ] RE: LondonFest [AsharaJM@aol.com] Limerick (NJC) -continued [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: The Merm (NJC) [Mike Friedman ] Re: LW III NJC [Mike Friedman ] RE: LondonFest ["Wally Kairuz" ] ????? njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Eurythmics (njc) [evian ] limerick (njc) [evian ] Re: PRICK ["Eric Taylor" ] Diana Krall & Larry Klein GOSSIP [mann@chicagonet.net] here's how payola works (njc) [Jeff Chard (by way of L] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:34:52 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: limerick NJC The now-famous bishop named Spong Said "this thread has lasted too long" Instead of my bonie Please write about Joni Cuz that way you'll never steer wrong! Bob, still trying for the prize... PS: Chris, I think he meant "fantastic" bassist, not "fanatical"! :~) NP: Les Irvin, "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 22:41:58 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Disco, 2nd try as I was saying... for some reason, the interests of gay males and college educated liberal arts majors are the same on the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory... a fact that came to light during the court-ordered evaluations during the custody battles for my sons... oh, and today would have been my (hetero) 21st anniversary... but anyway the fact that those of us who are gay and/or college educated like the arts, maybe that explains the so-called gay gene that makes us all artsy. My ex hate(s)(ed) disco and barely tolerates Streisand but loves opera and Broadway. I don't think he is that fond of Merman nor am I; she was a great talent, but her identification with "God Bless America" soured me on her in that the Nixonian types kept playing that while they were shooting students at Kent State (so to speak). I am curious about the use of the term "ballsy" in here by those who use it (and you haven't done that, Mark...); it is terribly sexist and we thought we settled that issue in the early 70s. Gutsy and a 1000 other words express that which is meant; why use a genital-related term that excludes women... it is really sexist and sad that people think that a woman with great courage and a zest for life has balls, as if courage and zest are male testicular properties. If it means "nothing" then do we define men who are, say, compassionate and caring, as "vaginal" or "ovarian" or some other gential or gender related term. Sorry I am rambling, Mark, and especially in response to your post on Merman, but I guess I am using that to throw this out to the JMDL for (possible) discussion. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:37:44 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Payola In a message dated 1/6/00 7:35:36 PM US Central Standard Time, jlamadoo@one.net writes: << Here's an important topic that I don't think we've ever examined on the List. P A Y O L A. Buying radio play. Exactly how does it work today? >> Well Jim, I'm not sure, but I bet it's not as prevalent since the radio playlists are all controlled by major conglomerates anyway! I mean, you go to any town, you'll hear the same tired songs. It's all corporate. I don't know, but payola probably ain't what it used to be... NP: Bryan Thomas, "Black Crow" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:44:44 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: KCSN Joni Interview In a message dated 1/6/00 9:10:21 PM US Central Standard Time, johncb@start.com.au writes: << Kakki deserves our enormous thanks for her efforts in obtaining this interview. >> Yes, she does...thanks again Kakki - you're the greatest! And thanks to you too Uncle John for your services. I've listened to the interview a couple of times now as I've made copies, and have thought the following: 1. How sad that Joni can't listen to music while she paints at night because she has to listen for stalkers on her roof... 2. While the new "Case of You" is gorgeous, Joni's maturer voice doesn't fit it as well as her younger voice. I think this is one of her "ingenue roles" she's spoke of as reason for not doing some of her earlier work in concert. 3. I'm sure I'll cahnge my mind on the above statement once I get the real deal and let it seep in. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:46:42 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Disco, 2nd try NJC In a message dated 1/6/00 9:38:26 PM US Central Standard Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << I don't think he is that fond of Merman nor am I; she was a great talent, but her identification with "God Bless America" soured me on her in that the Nixonian types kept playing that while they were shooting students at Kent State (so to speak). >> Are you confusing Ethel with the other belter Kate Smith? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:46:32 PST From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Joni Virgins and their 1st Listen Hey, Gang, Great thread....I probably wouldn't ever lend a Joni out, however I would tape or buy C&S or Blue for the 1st timer. Though I am firmly entrenched in Hej, DJRD, TI or NRH as my personal, knee-quivering, drooling favorites; Court and Spark was my first. From there I sailed right into Blue and that was the one that hooked me forever...I can't believe that after all these years (24-25?) I still get an unexplainable audio cosmic mind bend when listening to Blue. So there!!!! Love, Russ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 23:10:16 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Disco, 2nd try NJC SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/6/00 9:38:26 PM US Central Standard Time, > revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: > > << I don't think he is that fond of Merman nor am I; she was > a great talent, but her identification with "God Bless America" soured > me on her in that the Nixonian types kept playing that while they were > shooting students at Kent State (so to speak). >> > > Are you confusing Ethel with the other belter Kate Smith? Now that you mention it, Bob, yes... I am confused... sorry! And thanks for catching it in a nice fashion... (the Rev) Vince, somewhat embarrassed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 23:05:00 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Disco, 2nd try Vince wrote: << I am curious about the use of the term "ballsy" in here by those who use it (and you haven't done that, Mark...); >> That would have been me Vince. That's my bad. I certainly didn't mean to sound sexist, and I apologize to those who I offended. I guess I'm so used to the term from my male *and* female peers, that I don't even think of the term as having to do with genitals. I didn't say that makes it right, I'm just saying that's why I said it. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 23:17:28 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Disco, 2nd try NJC FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Vince wrote: > > << I am curious about the use of the term "ballsy" in here by those who use > it (and you haven't done that, Mark...); >> > > That would have been me Vince. That's my bad. I certainly didn't mean to > sound sexist, and I apologize to those who I offended. I guess I'm so used > to the term from my male *and* female peers, that I don't even think of the > term as having to do with genitals. I didn't say that makes it right, I'm > just saying that's why I said it. > > Jimmy Jimmy, I know you'd never mean anything negative. In the mean time, are both Kate Smith and Ethel Merman deceased? Bob pointed out, correctly, that I confused them... and if either comes to beat me up for that, I am a dead man! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 01:28:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Disco, 2nd try NJC not to worry. both dead. merman, 1984; smith, 1986. next jan 16 would've been merman's 91st birthday and next may 1st, smith's 91st birthday. smith had a fabulous voice. i love her moonlight in vermont. merman was big but SO LOUD. wallyk >In the mean time, are both > Kate Smith and Ethel Merman deceased? Bob pointed out, correctly, that I > confused them... and if either comes to beat me up for that, I am a dead man! > > (the Rev) Vince > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 23:56:30 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: LW III NJC In the mean time, are both Kate Smith and Ethel Merman deceased? Bob pointed out, correctly, that I confused them... and if either comes to beat me up for that, I am a dead man! (the Rev) Vince Wally Kairuz wrote: > not to worry. both dead. merman, 1984; smith, 1986. next jan 16 would've > been merman's 91st birthday and next may 1st, smith's 91st birthday. > smith had a fabulous voice. i love her moonlight in vermont. merman was big > but SO LOUD. > wallyk > I feel safer, thank you! Moving right along, my latest cd is Louden Wainwright III's "Social Studies." This is a amazing cd, all that talent employed in social commentary and humor. Much of it was originally used on NPR. I got hooked on it when in Chicago last December, XRT playing "Y2K" by LWIII which just cracked me up as I was driving the Ryan and Kennedy... ...incidentally, XRT was built on what we call the "prarie", a lot behind my parents house, across the alley from Mom and Dad's... used to play there all the time when it was an empty lot... Now, with the towering red light on the radio tower, and with the red light that sat atop the fire station right behind the house, next to XRT, we could always identify our house from miles away as the one beneath the two red lights in the sky! Now just the occasional stray person climbs and leaps off the XRT tower and lands next to the fire station, convenient for the rescue squad (which is a clean-up crew at the point). Always upsets my dad because it closes the alley off for the day. On a less morbid note, it was XRT that did sponser our Joni and the little Zimmerman boy in that Chicago concert in October 98... Joni, if you are reading this, you have not toured in this century, a little long for your loved ones to wait! I have rambled more than enough for the last year of this millennium, and it is only January 6th, so I shut up and resume lurking. NP: thunderous applause (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 00:26:12 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: RE: LondonFest Wally K warns Sue: << careful there, sue!!! early august is too close to labor day, a sacred date for jmdlers!!! ;-))) >> tee-hee!!!!!! (I wonder when the "official" announcement will be for The New England Labor Day Jonifest 2000!) ;-) Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 23:35:45 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Limerick (NJC) -continued MM was not starting out right Afraid a comment had started a fight I hoped for the best but Siresorrow did the rest bringing talent out of ALL that can write! My words were just meant as a tease On email they came out like a sneeze Spreading the germ that caused Listers to squirm and putting Paul I in a squeeze! Now putting an end to the rumor Paul proves he has A sense of humor while he keeps us on tract with his good sense of 'fact' knowledge spreading from his head like a tumor (hey, you try rhyming rumor & humor!!) So I know Paul is 'technically' right The Millennium is still out of site But for those who don't care we put on hats and fanfare and I sure hope I spelled these words right! haha Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 21:35:59 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: The Merm (NJC) You know we were just teasing, I hope. :-) But how can you NOT like "a broad who's got tits out to there, belting it out to the balcony!" as Bette Midler said. :-) > From: Mark or Travis > Reply-To: Mark or Travis > Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:45:25 -0800 > To: Mike Friedman , Jerry Notaro > , JMDL > Subject: Re: The Merm (NJC) > > >> Mark or Travis, you MUST TURN IN YOUR GAY CARD. NOW. :-) > > It's Mark & you know what? I DON'T LIKE DISCO EITHER!!! Never did. > Most likely never will. But I love Mae's version of 'Great Balls of > Fire'! Do you have that LP Jerry? The one that also has 'Happy > Birthday 21'? I knew someone back in my college days who had it & I > always thought it was a hoot. Looked for it years later & it had > vanished without a trace from every record store I looked in. > > As for Merman to me she was campy (and LOUD and BLOWSY) but not much > else. That voice was like nails on a chalk board to me. I don't know > that I ever actually heard her disco album. Heard of it, yes, & the > thought still makes me cringe. > > Mark in Seattle > >>> >>>> >>>> Ok, I gotta say it. I never could figure out what was supposed > to be >>>> so great about Ethel Merman. She sang LOUD. And she was blowsy. > So >>>> what? >>>> >>>> Mark in Seattle (ducking & running for the asbestos suit) >>> >>> You better run, fella!!!! >>> Don't tell me you never got her disco album For the Boys??? >>> Her disco version of Alexander's Ragtime Band gives Mae West's > Great >>> Balls of Fire a run. >>> >>> Jerry :-] >>> >>> np: Rufus Wainwright - Somewhere Over the Rainbow >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 21:36:00 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: LW III NJC They are both, alas, no longer with us. ====================================== Everybody here tonight must boogie And let me tell you, You are no exception to the rule - --A Taste of Honey, 1978 > From: Vince Lavieri > Organization: American Apostolic Catholic Church > Reply-To: Vince Lavieri > Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 23:56:30 -0500 > To: Wally Kairuz , joni@smoe.org > Subject: LW III NJC > > In the mean time, are both Kate Smith and Ethel Merman deceased? Bob pointed > out, correctly, that I confused them... and if either comes to beat me up for > that, I am a dead man! > > (the Rev) Vince > > > Wally Kairuz wrote: > >> not to worry. both dead. merman, 1984; smith, 1986. next jan 16 would've >> been merman's 91st birthday and next may 1st, smith's 91st birthday. >> smith had a fabulous voice. i love her moonlight in vermont. merman was big >> but SO LOUD. >> wallyk >> > > I feel safer, thank you! > > Moving right along, my latest cd is Louden Wainwright III's "Social Studies." > This is a amazing cd, all that talent employed in social commentary and > humor. Much of it was originally used on NPR. I got hooked on it when in > Chicago last December, XRT playing "Y2K" by LWIII which just cracked me up as > I was driving the Ryan and Kennedy... > > ....incidentally, XRT was built on what we call the "prarie", a lot behind my > parents house, across the alley from Mom and Dad's... used to play there all > the time when it was an empty lot... Now, with the towering red light on the > radio tower, and with the red light that sat atop the fire station right > behind the house, next to XRT, we could always identify our house from miles > away as the one beneath the two red lights in the sky! > > Now just the occasional stray person climbs and leaps off the XRT tower and > lands next to the fire station, convenient for the rescue squad (which is a > clean-up crew at the point). Always upsets my dad because it closes the alley > off for the day. > > On a less morbid note, it was XRT that did sponser our Joni and the little > Zimmerman boy in that Chicago concert in October 98... > > Joni, if you are reading this, you have not toured in this century, a little > long for your loved ones to wait! > > I have rambled more than enough for the last year of this millennium, and it > is only January 6th, so I shut up and resume lurking. > > NP: thunderous applause > > > (the Rev) Vince > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 02:39:18 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: LondonFest so do i, ashes, so do i... wallyk, winking frantically > tee-hee!!!!!! (I wonder when the "official" announcement will be for The New > England Labor Day Jonifest 2000!) ;-) > > Hugs, > Ashara > www.photon.net/lightnet > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 02:51:45 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: ????? njc has anybody heard from robert holliston lately? i don't have his address anymore and i was wondering whatever became of him. wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 00:10:45 -0600 From: evian Subject: Eurythmics (njc) Raffaele mentioned: > - - Eurythmics ‘Peace’ > as a top 5 pick.... I CAN'T believe I forgot this one!! I love it! It's like WE TOO ARE ONE, but better... what that album could have been. God, I'm never making one of those top 5 lists again, it's too stressful for a compulsive freak like myself!Evian now pretending not to watch -- my wife's tape of Days of Our Lives. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 00:22:06 -0600 From: evian Subject: limerick (njc) Randy wrote: > An Anglican bishop named Spong > The Maker endowed like King Kong > His lover was hot > Said 'find my G-spot' > He did (God bless Erica Jong) > LOLOL!!! This one made me spit diet coke all over the damn place! LOLOL, God bless Erica Jong... ROFL! Thanks for giving me a night-time laugh, all of you limerick folk... although I ain't even touching this thread, lest my sailor talk gets me booted from the list ;)Evian still pretending not to watch Days of Our Lives ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 01:30:04 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: PRICK I sure hope I don't seem too pushy But this thread just makes me feel poofy - All this talk about prick And no one got sick - So why did I take heat for PUSSY? E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 01:32:54 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Diana Krall & Larry Klein GOSSIP Just wondering....................... Is Diana Krall dating Joni's Larry Klein??? I know there was some discussion on JMDL of Diana Krall awhile back but I didn't read it. So if something was said there I didn't see it. I read a one page article about Diana Krall and when asked about her New Year's Eve plans she replied: "I'll be performing on a cruise ship docked at a volcanic island in Antarctica. I'm hoping that my boyfriend, [actor and musician] Larry Klein, can make the trip." Anyone know anything about this??? Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 00:35:23 -0700 From: Jeff Chard (by way of Les Irvin ) Subject: here's how payola works (njc) Payola is the practice of paying for radio airplay. Payola in itself has never been illegal, and it is not illegal to offer pay for play. The illegal part is when you accept payola WITHOUT DISCLOSING IT. Disclosure is the whole key. This is why radio stations in Seattle or Florida or anywhere can accept money for airplay....as long as they disclose it. This goes under the general heading of financial disclosure--disclosing that the station has a financial interest in playing the song. (Same thing if I work at the station and am also the artist on a record. It has to be disclosed that "a WXXX employee is receiving financial consideration from sales of this album..." Alan Freed's legal problems came from not reporting to the IRS the payola money he received. Also, WINS took the position that Freed violated the station's own conflict-of-interest policies. Up until the mid 80s, the Federal Communications Commission, which regulates radio and television, was vigilant about such practices. A station that was caught violating financial disclosure rules could very possibly lose its broadcast license. Now the FCC is a friend of big bizness and seems to have very little enforcement teeth left. A close cousin of payola is DRUGOLA. Same idea and especially prevalent starting in the mid 70's, mostly with cocaine. Drugs for airplay. This variation is of course illegal in every way. After the scandals of the late 50's, most illegal payola/drugola has been offered by independent promotion people, sub-contractors who are paid by the record labels. This insulates the labels from any illegal or unseemly practices. The largest indies each have their own territories and their own exclusive station lists. Top 40 hit radio, with its tight playlists, has always been the largest recipient of payola/drugola/plugola, whatever. The goal of payola is not just airplay; more often the desired outcome is for the radio station to report the airplay to whatever radio industry newspapers or tipsheets the station reports to. That's how a record can leap up the airplay charts, influencing more and more stations to add the record. Well that's probably more than you wanted to know about this subject, isn't it. A very Joni New Year to all, Jeff Chard ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #10 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?