From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #5 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 5 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 005 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The Talented Mr. Ripley (NJC) [Bolvangar@aol.com] Re: TV Guide article -David Lahm (NJC) [catman ] Instant messages (NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] RE: Some Little musings [FMYFL@aol.com] New "Both Sides Now" album [w evans ] Re: TV Guide article -David Lahm (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: Some Little musings [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re[2]: 1st Joni of the Year ["Lori REASON"] Re: TV Guide article -David Lahm (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni may perform again!! [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Joni Mitchell companion [Andy Stancliffe ] Re: New Year Resolution NJC ["Eric Taylor" ] RE: New Year Resolution NJC [Louis Lynch ] Re: TV Guide article -David Lahm (NJC) [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: TV Guide article -David Lahm (NJC) [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Not to Blame ["Alison Einerson" ] Re: Some Little musings ["Kakki" ] "Blue" [john low ] Dorothy Fields bio NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Today In Joni History (1/4) ["Mark T. Domyancich" ] The London Jonifest 2000! ["Jamie Zubairi" ] (NJC) re: The Talented Miles Davis and Mr. Ripley ["Jerome Gonzales" ] Re: TV Guide article -David Lahm (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: TV Guide article -David Lahm (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: RE: New Year Reflection NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] New Year's Resolutions - NJC ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: The London Jonifest 2000! [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: TV Guide article -David Lahm (NJC) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Joni Mitchell Companion [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Some Little musings [CaTGirl627@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 03:02:02 EST From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: The Talented Mr. Ripley (NJC) Victor wrote: <> It's funny you should bring up that comparison, in that both "Ripley" and one of Hitchcock's all-time classic classics, "Strangers on a Train," are based on novels by Patricia Highsmith -- two of her best novels. I have to put in a good word for her. I just love her work. Her novels (her best ones at least) would seem very hard to adapt to me. They're very character-driven, very detailed, very much inside their protagonists' heads and written in a dry, deliberately flat style. (She had a funny, twisted sense of humor.) They're chilling, fascinating, subtle studies of obsessiveness and of the effe cts of guilt (or lack of guilt) on her characters in stressful situations -- her plots are very Hitchcockian in a way -- punctuated by sudden acts of violence. I think the Ripley novels (there's five of them and they're all great....one of the later ones, _The Boy Who Followed Ripley_, is my favorite thing she ever wrote) are not quite representative of the rest of her work, but they're the most accessible to me. Her short stories, incidentally, are just weird....strangely nasty and unpleasant. She wrote not one but *two* stories in which people are killed by snails. (That must be a literary first.) Anyway, I totally agree with most of your comments on Ripley....especially the lack of background, and that ending (completely tacked on, not found in the book). Though it was visually beautiful. <> That's often true. However, I've been thinking that 1999 was one of the best years for American movies in a long long time. So many risky, original, ambitious movies came out (even from the studios!)....Being John Malkovich, American Beauty, Dogma, Boys Don't Cry, and The Blair Witch Project (well, *I* think so), among others (maybe even including Ripley). You could have a great time at the movies last year even without going to the art-house theaters. - --David....reminding everyone to label NJC posts NJC. NP: Cocteau Twins, _The Pink Opaque_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 08:09:48 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: TV Guide article -David Lahm (NJC) Yes it is the same David, tho i have to confess i have no idea who Dorothy Fields is, aprt from the fact she is David's mother! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 08:23:28 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: nicole simpson and sydney "grump"NJC Sarah Schuckman wrote: > colin, > > i totally agree... and i think it's horribly obvious to me everyday that > so many have lost hope and faith in humanity... it is most obvious when > i hear people condemning entire groups of people... especially Mexicans > and Blacks where I'm from. You are right... it is very very > sad. Especially because it is obvious to ME that if jails are filled with > Blacks and Mexicans, there is a bigger reason for it. Everyone is > responsible. Yes we are all responsible for the way the world is. Mainly because 'good people do nothing' or say nothing. Or fool themselves that they are righteous when they couldnb't be further from the truth. > > > when i came out of the closet as a lesbian, congratulations. a difficult thing(to really understate it) to do. > i really had a taste of what > the priveledged fail to recognize. And you will always taste it becuase by being out you leave yourself open as a target for those who need to put down others in order to build themselves up. > I'm not saying "woe is me"... at > all... because I'm still very priveledged... but I think I can more easily > admit and appreciate those advantages now. > > People will talk about repression and descrimination forever, > though... and I don't want to get into that discussion, because I think > what you said at the end of your message is what really counts... God > doesn't look at the world that way. I've never been a bible beater or very > "religious"... but I guess you could say that I am religious. I believe > that God is a loving god and we should follow god's example of love and > forgiveness. Again I agree with you tho many do not. They even go as far as to think and say that God backs them up in their bigotry.Jesus tho set that example and also one of standing up and being counted-ie speaking out aganist injustice, bigotry and intolerance. He didn't say we should keep quiet for fear we might offend someone. Fundamentalism, of all persuasions(xtian, muslim, hindu, whatever), is dangerous and unfortuanately tars real followers of such truths with the same brush. > > > And bringing it back to Joni... I think her music brings it down to that, > too. She wants peace... and she knows afterall, that all ANYONE (Black, > White... or even a murderer) wanted was just to come out of the cold. :) From what she wrirtes, I am sure you are right. > > > Nanci Griffith knows it's a Hard Life Wherever you Go... and Tracy Chapman > says we should start all over, make a New Beginning... which I think we > could do. :) That possibility is what keeps the world spinning. :) Another two singers I really like. have all Tracy's work and some of Nanci's. thanks sarah and welcome to our list bw colin > > > Sarah > > On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, catman wrote: > > > > but what it comes down to is that people are born good... life > > > and experience and bad choices turn people into killers sometimes... but > > > there is always hope, because we're all born with the same potential to > > > love > > > and be good poeple. :) > > > > I couldn't agree more-that is what i believe too. Unfortunately many people > > do not think this. many think we are born 'in sin' and are therefore not born > > good, and can never be good within and of ourselves. that is very sad. I > > think to have faith in people is so important. This does not negate having > > faith in a higher power but to me one cannot have one without the > > other.Although people many people think nurture has nothing to do with it, > > these same people are quick to take the credit when their children 'do well' > > and quick to disown when they 'do bad'. > > Also experience is what we are all the rsult of. Sometimes experience can so > > damage a person, they are incapable of empathy. this is dreadful. More > > dreadful is that theese are the people some class as 'evil'. It is good to > > know God would not. > > bw > > colin > > > > > > > > > > > And about the wasted money on new years... i hadn't thought about that, > > > either... and i agree that it's a shame... most definitely. > > > > > > Happy New Year, everyone! > > > Sarah > > > > > > > > -- > > To change the world-change your self > > "It is better to be hated for what you are > > than to be loved for what you are not." > > > > > > - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 02:59:02 PST From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: London Jonifest 2000 and my FLU Dear all, today is the day! I've been looking forward to the 4th of Jan anxiously, full of anticipation about meeting you all at the UK Joni fest. Unfortunately my biological system thought differently and decided to host some nasty viruses or bacteria. I have a very bad flu with high temperature and all the rest. It's really frustrating! I'll be thinking of you in my bed tonight. Have fun and make this a very special night. I hope to listen to the tapes soon. Jamie, I am still open to the idea of a Joni's paintings web site. Get in touch. All my best. I'll be with you in spirit. Raffaele in London ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 11:55:41 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Some Little musings Hello and Happy New Year jimdlers! Just resubbed today and wanted to post a few things. BSN is available as a pre-release order from Amazon.com already. I wish CD now would hurry up and get a pre-release order through. Also someone mentioned actresses looking like Joni. I think that the closest actress I have seen looking like Joni (cheekbones and all) is English actress Lindsay Duncan. I just need her in a Canadian accent and guitar to complete the look. I can't think of anything that she has been inin the states (although she was in a blockbuster playing either Pacino or DeNiro's wife (I'm good at this aren't I, this film game. NOT!)) Tonight is also the London Jonifest 2000! I am meeting Marian Russell for the first time in an hour and Chris Marshall. I AM SO EXCITED. My best to you for the next millenia Jamie Zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 07:50:27 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Instant messages (NJC) In the last week I had two pleasant suprises when onto my screen popped an instant message. First from Bob from SC and yesterday from the inimitable Mr.Paz who was all the way down in Honduras. The internet is an incredible thing. Paz was eating scrumptious BBQd shrimp on a beach. It appears a JMDL lister is always a click away somewhere in the world. How about a link from the London Jonifest.?? marcel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 07:52:09 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: RE: Some Little musings Jaimie writes: << Tonight is also the London Jonifest 2000! I am meeting Marian Russell for the first time in an hour and Chris Marshall. I AM SO EXCITED. >> Have a great time all of you Euromidlers, and we want pictures and full reports on this great occasion. Marian, sing your heart out sweetheart, and Raffaele get well soon! Jimmy, who had a Joni dream last night too ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:00:05 -0500 (EST) From: w evans Subject: New "Both Sides Now" album So, I understand that the initial release on Feb 8 will be a "collectors edition" with better artwork (or something) and that the regular jewelbox version won't be out for another month or so. Can anyone tell me just what will be special about the initial release, and how much more it might cost? I'm likely to get it just so that I won't have to wait another month. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:05:39 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: TV Guide article -David Lahm (NJC) Sue wrote: << And is our David the son of the legendary lyricist Dorothy Fields? >> Wow David, was that your Mother who wrote "On the Sunny Side of the Street" and " I Can't Give You Anything But Love" ? No wonder you're so talented. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:06:03 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: RE: Some Little musings Jimmy said: <> And of course a soundtrack as well - I want all the Marian recordings I can get before she hits the BIG TIME! By the way, I thought this was a "Joni-Fest", but I guess Jimmy clarified that you guys are having a Bette Midler fest! :~) But that's still OK, I can't wait to hear Marian picking out "Boogie Woogie Boy From Company B" on her guitar! :~) Bob NP: Elton John, "Tiny Dancer" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 14:49:19 +0100 From: "Lori REASON" Subject: Re[2]: 1st Joni of the Year DO NOT TELL ME THE DUCKS SWAM IN THE BIG BOWL. I cannot believe it - I leave, and after 12 years things change. They were ALWAYS last in the Pac-10. What gives??! Did they win? What was the score? Did they look okay? I'm so proud! Lori, feeling like a mama duck ; ) quack-quack Jimdle sports: And yesterday, congrats to you, too, Lori, the displaced Duck. ;-) Smiles Penny ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 09:00:46 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: TV Guide article -David Lahm (NJC) catman wrote: > Yes it is the same David, tho i have to confess i have no idea who Dorothy > Fields is, aprt from the fact she is David's mother! I posted about her a while back since I have been a fan of hers. Her is a pretty good short bio on her. Dorothy Fields was the first woman to be elected to the Songwriters' Hall of Fame Dorothy Fields' father was Lew Fields, the bully-boy half of Weber and Fields, a highly successful 'Dutch comic' act on the vaudeville circuit. They claimed to have originated the classic exchange: 'Who was that lady 1 saw you with last night 'That was no lady, that was my wife.' In the year she was born, Lew Fields had a row with his long-time partner an quit the stage. By the time Dorothy was attending the Benjamin School for Girls her father was a producer of musicals with friends including Cole Porter Richard Rodgers, Lorenz Hart and Oscar Hammerstein II. Lew had gone respectable and did not want his daughter to become either an actress or a lyric writer; her second choice of career was a profession he considered unladylike. Not easily put off, Dorothy sent some of her work to Jimmy McHugh, a staff writer at Mills Music. McHugh was impressed and suggested they write some songs together. The result was enormous hits such as 'I Can't Give You Anything But Love, Baby' and 'On The Sunny Side Of The Street'. With these successes under their belts, Fields and McHugh headed for Hollywood, where they wrote songs for a series of forgettable movies. Then, in 1935, she caught the eye of top composer Jerome Kern. The stage show Roberta was being turned into a movie vehicle for Fred Astaire and Ginger Rodgers, and Jerome Kern had written a new piece of music to introduce a fashion parade. The only problem was that no-one knew how to make the music into a complete song. Fields came up with the lyric which became 'Lovely To Look At', which pleased Kern so much he asked her to collaborate with him on his next project, I Dream Too Much, starring Lily Pons. They went on to write four films together, but unquestionably their finest score was for the Astaire/Rodgers movie Swing Time, one of the classics of movie musicals, with songs including 'Pick Yourself Up', 'A Fine Romance' and the beautiful 'The Way You Look Tonight'. In 1939, Dorothy Fields went back to New York and, with her brother Herbert, wrote the books for three of Cole Porter's hits of the 1940s, Let's Face It, Something For The Boys and Mexican Hayride. But her own pet project was a starring vehicle for Ethel Merman, based on the story of Annie Oakley: the show was called Annie Get Your Gun. She had persuaded Kern to come East to work on the score, but the project had only just got under way when Kern suffered a fatal heart attack. He was replaced by Irving Berlin, a man who always wrote his own lyrics. That is the reason why Dorothy Fields' only credit on one of the biggest of all Broadway musicals is as co-librettist. With A Tree Grows In Brooklyn (1951) Dorothy Fields began to show the beginnings of a more colloquial style. This show was a story about ordinary people and she made sure not to give them unrealistically poetic language to sing. Working with Cy Coleman, Dorothy Fields' career got a fresh wind. She stepped easily into the seedy world of the Fan-Dango Ballroom and the musical Sweet Charity - surely as far from Fred and Ginger as one can get? Her last hit song was from her second collaboration with Coleman, Seesaw (1973). Fittingly, it was entitled 'It's Not Where You Start, It's Where You Finish'. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:24:09 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: TV Guide article -David Lahm (NJC) Jerry informs: <> Thanks for this great detail, Jerry! Dorothy Fields is certainly an amazing trailblazer in the world of popular music - these standards you reference will live forever!! And I was lucky enough to see Ethel Merman in Annie Get Your Gun at The Ford Theatre in Detroit. Even though I was just a kid, I knew I was in the presence of greatness, lordy that woman could fill a hall with her voice!! Bob NP: Elton John, "All the Young Girls Love Alice", but NPIMH: Ethel Merman, "You Can't Get a Man With a Gun" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 09:32:08 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: TV Guide article -David Lahm (NJC) SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > And I was lucky enough to see Ethel Merman in Annie Get Your Gun at The Ford Theatre in Detroit. Even though I was just a kid, I knew I was in the presence of greatness, lordy that woman could fill a hall with her voice!! I, too, saw The Merm do AGYG in 1967 at The O'Keefe Center in Toronto. I did the show in Indianapolis in 1984. And though I love Bernadette Peters to death, her Annie was no match for Merman's. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:36:04 -0500 (EST) From: Sarah Schuckman Subject: did you say... argentina? :) NJC Hello Wally... so you are living in Argentina? I am in school right now... about to graduate... well... one more semester and 2 summer school classes, but I'm a spanish major and I'm really looking into going abroad after I graduate... particularly to gain fluency in my speaking. But anyway, it's good to have a resource where you are! :) how long have you lived there? sarah ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:15:21 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Joni may perform again!! A friend of mine who knows of my love of Joni just gave me a copy of the January 2000 (Issue 154) ICE: The CD News Authority because there is a one page article about Joni and the upcoming "Both Sides Now" CD. In the article Larry Klein talks about the track list for "Both Sides Now". The last paragraph of the articles states: "The limited-edition version of "Both Sides Now" features artwork exclusively designed by Mitchell, and hits stores just in time for Valentine's Day. Klein tells ICE that Mitchell hopes to do some orchestral shows to promote the album, as well as several dates with Hancock and Shorter. Klein also believes the "Stormy Weather" concert will be made available to the public at some time in the future." Someone was asking about the limited-edition package. My understanding is that the limited-edition will be a satin "candy box" with several individual lithographs of artwork along with a book of lyrics and notes. Wishing everyone on the list a wonderful New Year and a Joni tour! Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:30:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: highsmith (NJC) i saw ripley last night and thought it doesn't hold a candle to the original french a plein soleil. in fact, except for strangers on a train [which differed considerably from the novel] highsmith's novels have never been successfully translated into movies. highsmith's world is too subtle and psychological. the situations she describes could happen to any of us any time but cannot be told except her way. by the way, her short stories are masterly! you shouldn't miss her non-murder novels either. although some character or other usually gets it in all of her novels, some of her books, e.g., edith's diary, are focused on issues that go beyond the typical thriller plot. her characters are people that make the most stupid mistakes, moved by guilt or the inability to set a situation straight in the first five pages of the novel. her stories deal with how the concatenation of small mistakes can cause catastrophes in the lives of ordinary people!!! wallyk > Victor wrote: > < > it "visually massaging" I was somewhat disappointed in the storyline which > > in many instances I did not find very believable. [snip] > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:58:57 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni may perform again!! In a message dated 1/4/2000 10:18:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, SMEBD@aol.com writes: << Someone was asking about the limited-edition package. My understanding is that the limited-edition will be a satin "candy box" with several individual lithographs of artwork along with a book of lyrics and notes. >> OH OH OH HOw exciting!! If she tours I will be there too. I might even fly to LA to see her (why the hell not!!) As far as the cd goes evern if it it expensive I plan on buying TWO!! I can never get enough JONI!! WHOOO-HOOO! Catgirl till February PS I will be in LA from feb 12th to the 18th!!!YEA!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:24:35 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: Andy Stancliffe Subject: Joni Mitchell companion First I should say Happy New Year to everyone on the JMDL. I've been away from my computer at work for the last few days, so it's my first chance to wish you all well. I bought Stacey's book, The Joni Mitchell Companion, at a local bookstore last Thursday night, and spent much of the New Years weekend reading it. I have to say I'm so impressed with the work that Stacey has done to compile this book. I had read a few of the articles in other places, but there were many new surprises, and all in all I think the book is very balanced, and I'm glad to see Joni's work finally presented in a scholarly, or should I say, "serious" context. I think my favorite new fact was that Miles Davis had a print of one of Joni's paintings at his bedside when he was dying. After reading interviews over the years, I knew how important he was to her, and to see that he also respected her work was a nice touch. There are some great photographs, too. It was interesting to see the photo of Joni and Judy Collins together in 1993. Anyways, my thanks and congratulations to you, Stacey, for creating this book. I think you've made an important step in documenting Joni's career and legacy. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:33:42 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: New Year Resolution NJC Alan wrote: << I'm sorry to say it, but is this 'article' really relevant for a "Joni Mitchell" discussion list? In my humble opinion, it's just "hate mail" and does not belong on these pages. >> Hi Alan, I'm sorry you interpreted the article I posted as *hate mail* - it was intended to start a constructive NJC thread on neonazism & the possibility that O.J. was framed by white-supremacists. It is certainly relevant to many NJC discussions we've had about racism & I think it's a very important issue few are willing to contemplate. Many have proposed that Joni's song Not To Blame is about O.J. (which she denies). Others see her inclusion of The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey on Misses as addressing O.J. (which she intimates). Neonazism is a huge problem in America & the world, behind recent school shootings & the burning of numerous Black churches. I don't claim to know whether O.J. was framed or not but I have always thought it was a possibility given Mark Furman's questionable history. Why is this so unthinkable to most people? There are more nazis alive today than during W.W.II. No one is addressing this dangerous fact. E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 11:57:53 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: New Year Resolution NJC "Wolf Who Lives in Lindsey" was released on Mingus, many, many years before the OJ Simpson scandal. Could it really have been included on Misses simply because of the OJ scandal? I hope not. I would think that Joni would have tackled the OJ situation more directly, as she does with her other social commentary, if she were so inclined. Eric, I never thought that a set-up of OJ was unthinkable. When the glove obviously didn't fit, it really made me question the prosecution. The abuse of power by law enforcement has risen dramatically in our time -- the recent sexual battery of an innocent Haitian man by a New York police officer stands out as an unpleasant example. Racism exists on a major scale, even in our "modern" American society. And the abuse of power by those in power is as rampant now as it was in feudal times -- perhaps made even worse because of technology. As far as I am concerned, there will never be enough discussion on either of these topics -- until they cease to exist. Joni has always been willing to tackle unpopular issues, and I'm glad that the list discussions don't shy away from them either. Wishing he would have been smart enough to print "Y2K MY ASS" bumper stickers to sell on January 1 because he would have been a very rich harper, Harper Lou - -----Original Message----- From: Eric Taylor [mailto:ewwtaylor@adelphia.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 5:34 PM To: alorimer@tassie.net.au Cc: JMDL Subject: Re: New Year Resolution NJC Alan wrote: << I'm sorry to say it, but is this 'article' really relevant for a "Joni Mitchell" discussion list? In my humble opinion, it's just "hate mail" and does not belong on these pages. >> Hi Alan, I'm sorry you interpreted the article I posted as *hate mail* - it was intended to start a constructive NJC thread on neonazism & the possibility that O.J. was framed by white-supremacists. It is certainly relevant to many NJC discussions we've had about racism & I think it's a very important issue few are willing to contemplate. Many have proposed that Joni's song Not To Blame is about O.J. (which she denies). Others see her inclusion of The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey on Misses as addressing O.J. (which she intimates). Neonazism is a huge problem in America & the world, behind recent school shootings & the burning of numerous Black churches. I don't claim to know whether O.J. was framed or not but I have always thought it was a possibility given Mark Furman's questionable history. Why is this so unthinkable to most people? There are more nazis alive today than during W.W.II. No one is addressing this dangerous fact. E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:11:36 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: TV Guide article -David Lahm (NJC) Zounds! I didn't know there was an item in TV Guide. Yes, Dominic Chianese did a cabaret act at Judy's Chelsea on the 5th and 12th of December, accompanied upon the pianoforte by moi. He sang three songs of my mother's ("Exactly Like You," "On the Sunny Side of the Street," and "I Can't Give you Anything but Love, Baby." I had a lot of fun working with him and I believe we will be doing two more shows in May. I may have been modest in the past but I think I'm getting over it: in March, Judy Kreston (my wife) and I will open a new act which consists entirely of songs by Dorothy Fields and David Lahm and we will call it LIKE MOTHER, LIKE SON. That should attract some sceptics. DL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 15:19:54 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: TV Guide article -David Lahm (NJC) Gotta disagree with you about Bernadette, Jerry. But I'm glad you at least saw the current production. Some Merman loyalists won't even go. DL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 14:05:30 -0700 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: Re: Not to Blame Okay, I must be really confused. I thought there was a big to-do about the song "Not to Blame" having been written about Jackson Browne's alleged physical violence against Daryl Hannah. What does O.J. have to do with any of it? Alison in SLC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:57:13 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Some Little musings Jamie wrote: > Just resubbed today and wanted to post a few things. BSN is available as a pre-release order from Amazon.com already. This is excellent news. I think I'll order one and also take my chances at the local Tower or Borders on release day. I definitely want two sets - one to play with and one to preserve ;-) > Tonight is also the London Jonifest 2000! I am meeting >Marian Russell for the first time in an hour and Chris Marshall. I AM SO EXCITED. Wish we could all be there. I hope you all have a FANTASTIC time and please give us a full report. Kakki NP: Jimmy Webb - Galveston ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:04:3 +1100 From: john low Subject: "Blue" Michael, I'm not surprised at all at the impact that "Blue" has had on you. Whenever I am forced to consider which Joni album is my favourite it always comes down to a 'battle' between "Blue" and "Hejira". They are both exceptional pieces of work that have not only stood the test of time but continually seem able to reveal new 'treasure'. I never get tired of listening to either. Like Susan McNamara and Kathleen, my suggestion for next purchase would be "Night Ride Home". Welcome to the jmdl. John (in Sydney) __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 17:29:40 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Dorothy Fields bio NJC Jerry, Thanks for the bio on Dorothy Fields (D. Lahm's mother). It is a rare day that I do not learn something new on here. Also appreicateds the person who posted on Patricia Highsmith's novels (the Mr. Ripley series and others). I have onbly begun to learn about her througha recent New Yorker article. Alas, I accidentally lost the post and not sure who to thank. So it was a double learning day here, typical given the literacy and range and depth of the JMDL. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 17:37:18 -0600 From: "Mark T. Domyancich" Subject: Today In Joni History (1/4) I forgot to email Les about this one, but in 1968 Joni performed at Club 47 in Cambridge, MA. NP-Song For Sharon Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 00:16:22 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: The London Jonifest 2000! Dear Listers, It's Jamie Zubairi here on his digest address just newly returned from the London Jonifest 2000. I am so glad to have been part of it. First of all meeting Marian and Chris for lunch and an afternoon of rehearsals. Then getting to the place and meeting Jason Maloney and Azeem who were there early (oops!). Then meeting the other members who trailed in around 7, Jacky, Rob, Gerry and Martin. I hope that's everyone... There were some of my friends there who were invited to sing. Adeola Martin who I duetted My Secret Place with... That man Kevin who sat thru' most of the evening and really enjoyed himself... I know this has been said over and over throughout the evening but it was really nice to finally meet people in the flesh and put faces to names. Oh so many songs... Mainly by Marian and myself and the courageous Chris Marshall on bass (who does a smokin' Jaco job!). The evening went so quickly, apart from the cold (the cellar wasn't heated which really let it down) and some of my songs having more verses than I remember, and more notes. But performing Joni's songs to a crowd of really receptive people is simply amazing. When you can hear the room suddenly burst into an obscure song and sing along with you. Ooohh simply in Joni heaven. I am gushing I know but if anyone hasn't been to a Jonifest, I suggest that they do! A lot of Hejira was played, some Don Juan's, some Hissing, Sisowtowbell Lane, Ladies of the Canyon, This Flight..., Marian's Cotton Avenue (I'm sorry Marian, I'll just stop playing now) The Wolf The Lives In Lindsey, 3 Great Stimulants oohh someone stop me. Anyway I've had the most amazing of evenings. As Chris said, a definite mix of anticipation, excitement and fear for us players especially. But at the end of the day, just nice to be with a good crowd for a change. All my Joni's have come at once. Jamie Zubairi "Whatever makes you YAHOO!" Joni Mitchell, Shiny Toys 1985 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 16:50:40 PST From: "Jerome Gonzales" Subject: (NJC) re: The Talented Miles Davis and Mr. Ripley I saw 'Mr. Ripley' last week and quite enjoyed it actually, but (music slut that I be) couldn't help but be distracted by one detail. This movie takes place in the fifties, not long before/after the birth of cool sessions and Miles Davis' recording of Kind Of Blue. However, the jazz aficianado Dickie Greenleaf had somehow acquired a vinyl copy of Tutu, Miles' 1986 release! Did anyone else catch this? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 01:32:55 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: The London Jonifest 2000! Hi everyone, Well, I think it's entirely appropriate that Jamie should have been the first UK JMDLer who attended tonight's Jonifest at the Troubador to report back, as the whole thing was initiated through his boundless love and enthusiam for all things Joni. I hope I'm not being presumptuous in thinking everyone who was there had a truly wonderful time, despite the rather chilly surroundings. I had to leave a little earlier than the others, but I felt privileged to have shared the evening with Jamie, Azeem, Marian, Jacky, Rob, Martin, Chris and Gerry. It was a pleasure to finally come face to face with such familiar names, and to experience the JMDL's sense of caring community in a real-life situation. A huge, huge thank you for making me feel welcome and completely at ease. The first part of the night (from 8pm-10pm) featured 16 songs, mostly - as Jamie has already mentioned - from Joni's mid-period work, all rendered with often startling aplomb and panache. I was thrilled to see and hear Marian in action at long last, and she did not disappoint. Exqusite versions of some of Joni's greatest songs (and yes, I agree they *are* all great, Marian!), with Ladies Of The Canyon a particular highlight for me (and, it transpired, for Azeem as well). Just Like This Train was also sheer bliss. She sings Joni with staggering purity, especially the early material. Jamie, meanwhile, was every bit as impressive. Man, you have star quality! Anyone who's seen him in action will know what I mean when I say he just "has it". Such stage presence, and so self-depricating to boot. His rich, expressive (almost baritone? help me with the tecchy stuff!) vocals brought a new quality and perspective to the songs he played. Upon announcing he was to next perform a comparitively obscure track (My Secret Place), my joy at the prospect of hearing my absolute favourite Joni moment was accompanied by a teasing ".....don't ruin it!" aimed in his direction. I'm not exaggerating when I report that his version, a duet with Adeola, was divine. Oh no! I missed Three Great Stimulants and Cotton Avenue???!!!! Ack :-( Ah well, at least the whole show was captured for posterity by Martin, with his array of equipment. The acoustics of the cellar were extremely good, with plenty of clarity and range for the lower registers of Chris's bass. I'm looking forward to hearing whether the recording has caught that ambience. All in all, a night I will not easily forget, and one that I will savour for a long time. Only the sight of me in the group photo can spoil it now ;-D What a wonderful group of people you are! Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:21:18 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: TV Guide article -David Lahm (NJC) . He sang three songs of my mother's > ("Exactly Like You," "On the Sunny Side of the Street," and "I Can't Give you > Anything but Love, Baby."..... > I may have been modest in the past but I think I'm getting over it: in March, > Judy Kreston (my wife) and I will open a new act which consists entirely of > songs by Dorothy Fields and David Lahm and we will call it LIKE MOTHER, LIKE > SON. That should attract some sceptics. DL My hat is off to anyone who could pen a lyric like 'A Fine Romance'. I love that song. The lyrics sparkle with wit. (Of course Billie's is my favorite version.) I hope you perform that song in your new act, David. How lucky you are to be so talented and to come from such wonderful talent. Mark in Seattle A fine romance, my good fellow You take romance, I'll take Jell-O You're calmer than the seals in the Arctic Ocean At least they flap their fins to express emotion - -David's Mom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:22:49 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: TV Guide article -David Lahm (NJC) > Gotta disagree with you about Bernadette, Jerry. But I'm glad you at least > saw the current production. Some Merman loyalists won't even go. DL > Ok, I gotta say it. I never could figure out what was supposed to be so great about Ethel Merman. She sang LOUD. And she was blowsy. So what? Mark in Seattle (ducking & running for the asbestos suit) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:26:44 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: TV Guide article -David Lahm (NJC) > > Mark in Seattle (ducking & running for the asbestos suit) and speaking of asbestos, another dorothy fields' gem: "when you dance you're charming and you're gentle especially when you do the continental but this feeling isn't purely mental FOR HEAVEN REST US I'M NOT ASBESTOS!!!" wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:10:26 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: 1st Joni of the Year >Well, the first song I heard, of course, was Auld Lang Sane (sp?), >but the first song I played on my guitar was Woodstock-I had that >intro part stuck in my head for days and I didn't have a guitar >around! The first song I heard was not Auld Lang Syne (that came in second) but "You'll Never Walk Alone". That's what comes of spending New Year's Eve with ardent English soccer fans! Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:07:53 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: TV Guide article -David Lahm (NJC) Mark while ducking and running says: << Ok, I gotta say it. I never could figure out what was supposed to be so great about Ethel Merman. She sang LOUD. And she was blowsy. So what? Mark in Seattle (ducking & running for the asbestos suit) >> No need to put on the asbestos suit Mark. You're not going to get flamed. I've had this discussion with some of my friends before, and it's usually a toss up. Both Ethel and Bernadette were/are great ladies of theater and film. I think Ms. Peters has a beautiful voice, but I enjoyed the *ballsy* not blowsy voice of The Merm. She had a one of a kind pizzazz no matter how LOUD she was. Maybe it's because my friends always begged me to belt out "Everything's Coming Up Roses" in true Ethel volume :~) Jimmy NP: my sniffling nose trying to fight this cold ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:14:27 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: RE: New Year Reflection NJC John wrote: >It’s just that, with so many people in need in Sydney and our schools >and hospitals seriously under-funded (and so much money already >re-directed to the Olympic preparations), I can’t help feeling that 6 >million dollars was somewhat extravagant for a couple of minutes of >excitement. I agree with you, John. When you think of the money spent on Y2K celebrations around the world, it's a little sobering! Personally I didn't watch the fireworks on our Harbour Bridge, and from all accounts they weren't terribly impressive. It probably didn't help that it was blowing a gale and pouring with rain - God, how I love Auckland summers! But the fireworks we lit in the backyard were good, even if I did burn my hand lighting them! I probably should have been upwind - but that's the effective too many martinis have on your judgement! Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:34:34 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: New Year's Resolutions - NJC OK, 2000 is here, and here are my list of resolutions for the the new millennium, and their success rate: 1. Quit smoking - lasted a whole 13 hours, ie. when I finally woke up at 1am on New Year's Day, the first thing I did was light up. And cough. A lot. Good one, Hell! 2. Give up drinking for the month of January - lasted really well on this one, a whole 2 days, until the first BBQ, and "Would you like a beer, Hell?" The fact that couldn't even think about alcohol, let alone look at it, or drink it on 1 Jan is beside the point. 3. Not indulge in ANY impulse spending - lasted 5 days (today), when I saw a shirt I just HAD to have - and a real bargain! I'll probably wear it once, decide it's ugly, and throw it in the bottom of the "clothes I might wear again someday, even if they don't fit, and I've had them 10 years" drawer. 4. Listen to more Joni - easy-peasy. Bought DJRD and MOA on CD, and have been listening to them non-stop, interspersed with Manassas "Down the Road", ever since. 5. Read more - re-read the entire Patricia Cornwell (Scarpetta) series in 4 days. I'm sure I made a few other resolutions on Dec 31st that I can't quite recall at the moment, but will probably be reminded of in weeks to come, but so far my success rate is not too good. But given my previous attempts at New Year resolutions I'm not doing too badly, believe me! Actually the resolution I should have made was "Live life to the fullest, because you never know what's around the corner" then I'd be doing great! Anyone else have any successful/unsuccessful resolution stories they want to share? Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:31:56 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: The London Jonifest 2000! Jamie and Jason: Thank You so much for the initial reports!!! It sounds like a truly wonderful evening. I know it was a special evening for you all. I've had the pleasure of hearing Marian on the Jonifest Box Set, and what a voice she has. Now I'm looking forward to hearing Jaimie sing, and Chris on bass. I'm so glad Martin captured everything on tape. I hope I get a copy of the soon released tape. BTW Jason, I'm sure you're smiling face will only enhance the group photo. I hope you can get it to Les so he can post it to the list!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:38:42 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: TV Guide article -David Lahm (NJC) Mark said, while ducking & running: >Ok, I gotta say it. I never could figure out what was supposed to be >so great about Ethel Merman. She sang LOUD. And she was blowsy. So >what? I was never a fan of her particular style of singing either, ie. loud! But my estimation of her went up when she parodied herself in the first "Airplane" movie (you know, the spoof one). They're in a hospital ward, and someone asks the doctor what's wrong with a particular patient. The doctor says "He thinks he's Ethel Merman", and she leaps out of the bed, singing "Everything's Coming Up Roses" in true loud-blowsy style! Pretty classy! Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:42:42 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: "Ideal" Painting I asked this question before Xmas, but either everyone was too busy, or know one knows! What is WallyB talking about in the following transcript from his weekend with Joni, re: the ruckus with the picture frame? "Also up on the wall is the "ideal" painting of Don Freed sitting on a cliff in B.C., which was used both in the TTT album package and as the curtain backdrop during many of the shows on her first tour with Dylan in 1998. I was told that during an exhibition of Joni's paintings, the frame of this picture caused quite a ruckus with those folks who are "in the know" about such things. They insist it's important to keep up with the trends, apparently -- note to self." Can anyone help, ie. WHY did it cause a ruckus, or am I missing something really obvious? Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:38:29 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell Companion << Anyways, my thanks and congratulations to you, Stacey, for creating this book. I think you've made an important step in documenting Joni's career and legacy. Andy >> I second that!! I just got my book the other day as well. All I could think to myself was...WHOOO-HOOO!!! Finally here!!! I just read the first article of her being at the Philly Folk Festival. That must have been a real treat!! I live 20 mins from that place and in deed it is always a great time!! I also looked over the acknowledgments and saw her comment about Wally Breese and Les Irving! Way to go guys. She mentions Us here as well. It is so much fun being in this large circle of friends with Joni Mitchell. Another whoo-hoo!! I am so glad I made my list JoniMitchellfans@onelist.com or I would have never found you guys!! so thanks to Jimmy in FL and Les!! Also to all of you who have made my stay here so full of love and kindness. I am very very glad this book came out. Stacy you did indeed make a wonderful book. About a year ago I bought my husband the Paul Simon companion and my husband just loved it. When I told him you were on the list, he informed me how much he loved the Paul Simon book and can't wait to read the Joni book! Major Kudos all around!! Hugs and Whoooo-Hooo! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 00:28:52 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Some Little musings In a message dated 1/4/2000 3:58:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << This is excellent news. I think I'll order one and also take my chances at the local Tower or Borders on release day. I definitely want two sets - one to play with and one to preserve ;-) >> A woman after my own heart!! I already called that Kakki but you can get two too! I think we should all buy two! One to hear and one to save for prosperity! Catgirl.... C'mon Feb get here! Maybe I will buy the Cd while I am out there visiting Kakki and the rest of the JMlers! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #5 *************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?