From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #1 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk JMDL Digest Saturday, January 1 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 001 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Plug Of The Week #52 (NJC) [Bolvangar@aol.com] Re: Plug Of The Week #52 (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: HAPPY HEW YEAR!!! ["P. Henry" ] RE: All sorts of JC and NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] My Top 5, 10... and more ["Kakki" ] What will the world be like [MDESTE1@aol.com] Fwd: What will the world be like (NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: My Top 5, 10... and more [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Delurking- NJC ["Arne Klindt" ] Joni 98 Video (Canadian) [James Leahy ] Re: My Top 5, 10... and more [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC: HPPYNYear2000 [Julie Webb ] New YearNJC [catman ] Millennium Countdown #1 [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Happy New Year (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Millennium Countdown #1 [Randy Remote ] Re: Millennium Countdown #1 [Randy Remote ] Re: Millennium Countdown #1 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Favorite New Years Songs (NJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: New YearNJC [Jason Maloney ] Turning Toward Tomorrow [Robert Glenn Plotner ] Re: Millennium Countdown #1 [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] mini new millenium jmdl gathering in nyc; 1/3/00 ["patrick leader" ] Tribute Tape 98-99? [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Turning Toward Tomorrow [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: njc: Moveez2C [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Another List!! ["Russell Bowden" ] The JM Companion [Dflahm@aol.com] Into 2000 safelyNJC [catman ] Man on the Moon [Alan Larson ] 2nd try at links ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: New YearNJC [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Buying CDs ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 03:23:41 EST From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: Plug Of The Week #52 (NJC) Isn't this at least the third or fourth "Plug of the Week" this week? - --David NP: Alpha, _Come From Heaven_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 00:43:10 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Plug Of The Week #52 (NJC) > Isn't this at least the third or fourth "Plug of the Week" this week? > > --David Well, maybe things got backed up at year end and Peter had to catch up this week to get in all 52 weeks ;-) I personally have really benefited musically from paying attention to some of his plugs - and catching some of the artists here in L.A. Some of the best music I've ever experienced, really truly. Kakki NP: Van Morrison - Green Onions ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 00:51:46 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: HAPPY HEW YEAR!!! Hi Penny, Glad you liked the card... The pic was taken by Robert Altman, a really great photographer who, along with Annie Liebowitz(sp?) practically documented the entire 60's-70's period and I got it from his really interesting (to me anyway) photo site at: http://www2.cea.edu/robert/ which is really huge... It was in a section called 'mixed bag' at: http://www2.cea.edu/robert/Page13.Mixed.Bag.html ...he's also the person who took this familiar pic: http://www2.cea.edu/robert/JoniMitchell.gif as for the guy in the middle, my best logical guess would be that it's Richard Farina who wrote a really great song I used to do called 'Pack Up Your Sorrows' and a book called 'Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up to Me'... But then it doesn't look like the pic of him on his book cover: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0140189300.01.LZZZZZZZ.gif but, see, the reason I thought it might be him is because typically in those days you would see him with his wife Mimi http://www2.cea.edu/robert/MimiFarinia.lo.JPEG onstage with her sister Joan Baez and it looks like she's there in the pic. ...and no, that's probably not Graham... The pic look like it was before he knew her... more like when I knew her. Wow! I really do get to ramblin', don't I? LoL! Ok, lessee... I *do* remember you wrote and asked me about this before and I think I have a half written ltr around here somewhere... Anyway, to cut to the chase, the Spikedrivers sounds vaguely familiar... but unfortunately very vaguely. (Could, just as easily, considering the time frame, be referring to a bunch of speed freaks) the Poison Apple sounds more familiar, though... That could've been the name of the hippy coffeehouse down on plum st., run by a chick named Tamara... Not too far from the area near Wayne State campus where Chuck and Joni lived up until around '67... and where I moved into a commune in '68. I never played there... Can't verify they ever played together there. Sorry. Ok, that's enough for now. Have a happy hew year and take care. pat ps - PENNY! wow, I just realized that the pic I sent on the card was actually a smaller 'thumnail' link to the real thing, even though it's pretty big! HERE is the actual JPG: http://www2.cea.edu/robert/Joni.Judy.Joan.jpeg ...also, as a point of interest to sticklers for authentic trivia, I'll bet you dollars to donuts that's a pack of Tereyton(sp?) cigarettes tucked in Joni's belt... I say that because of the telltale stripe and also because I know that's the kind she smoked back then. :o) ps - btw, here's that song: {title:Pack Up Your Sorrows} {st:Richard Farina} N[C]o use crying, tal[F]king to a stranger, N[C]aming the sorrows you've s[G]een.[G7] T[C]oo many sad times, t[F]oo many bad times, A[C]nd nobody kn[G7]ows what you m[C]ean. {c:Chorus:} [C]Ah, but if somehow you could p[F]ack up your sorrows, [C]And give them all to [G]me, Y[C]ou would lose them, I[F] know how to use them, G[C]ive them [G7]all to [C]me. No use rambling, walking in the shadows, Trailing a wandering star. No one beside you, no one to hide you, Nobody knows where you are. {c:Chorus.} No use gambling, running in the darkness, Looking for a spirit that's free. Too many wrong times, too many long times, Nobody knows what you see. {c:Chorus.} No use roaming, lying by the roadside, Seeking a satisfied mind. Too many highways, too many byways, And nobody's walking behind. {c:Chorus.} -- On Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:10:07 Penny wrote: Pat That card was GREAT! Thanks, so much! Who was the guy in the middle? That wasn't Graham, was it? Penny PS Pat do you remember a club in Detroit named The Poison Apple and a group that Joni (and Chuck) shared the bill with there named The Spikedrivers? Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 06:16:27 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: All sorts of JC and NJC thanks steve!!!! it was fun, but a little too wild according to my landlord...en fin. > > WallyK: Happy belated Birthday! Hope it was fun! > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:24:18 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: My Top 5, 10... and more Before the Y2Ks and the biggest party in L.A. County begins outside my window with a gazillion revelers tomorrow, I better get this in. It's been really tough to put my list together as far as narrowing it down, and I can't avoid "cheating" a little by listing older recordings that I never heard until this year. Also wanted to, but didn't, get the chance to hear some of the ones listed by others like Macy Gray and Me'Shell (maybe I can list them next year). O.K. here goes - 1. HOSL Demos 2. Gilberto Gil - Quanta 3. CSN Box Set 4. Van Morrison - From Galway to Boston Town (Bootleg) 5. Sting - Brand New Day (sorry, but the girl can't help it) More cheating - 6. Santana - Supernatural 7. Buena Vista Social Club 8. Jonatha Brooke Live - ("boot" tape) 9. Jonifest '99 Box Set 10. Collective JMDL'er recording artists who have all stunned me this year with their work - David Lahm, Paul Castle, Steve Dulson, Bryan Thomas, Robert(o) Holliston and Steve Polifka -WOW Special commendations and thanks to simon, Pat Mead and Catgirl for all their incredible work this year on the Tape and CD trees. And thanks always to Les and Wally for the obvious and not so obvious. Happy New Year to all! Kakki NP: Otmaro Ruiz - Not An Exit ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:05:20 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: What will the world be like What will life be like in 3000? What life? Updated 7:30 PM ET December 30, 1999 By Susan Cornwell LONDON, Dec 31 (Reuters) - In the long run, we'll all be dead. That at least is the grim 1,000-year outlook from London School of Economics professor Ian Angell, who can't imagine humanity surviving for another millennium. "There isn't going to be a human race in 1,000 years," says Angell, author of a forthcoming book on the future. That's because the world has too many people already, he says, and they are "using up the seed corn." Earth may be scarcely inhabitable anyway in the year 3000, according to a British climate prediction centre that says global warming could make the planet twice as hot by then if current consumption rates of fossil fuels continue. If that happened the West Antarctic ice sheet would disintegrate, making the sea rise up to five metres and swallow up whole countries, says Hadley Centre head Geoff Jenkins. "You're changing the climate so fundamentally that many societies would need to substantially adjust or even relocate to survive -- if they could," he told the Independent newspaper. With the third millennium after the birth of Jesus Christ dawning on Saturday, not all forecasts are so apocalyptic. But the ideas popular a generation ago -- such as the belief that the future could bring a sort of utopia or super-human race capable of just about anything -- seem less widespread now. "I can't predict a thousand years... But I think one thing you can say is that people will have the same sort of brains," says Hamish McRae, a financial writer and author of the 1995 book "The World in 2020." NO FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE IN 3000 "Today we have the same brains as the Romans" who lived 2,000 years ago, McRae says. So in 3000, "maybe we'll be a bit taller, or thinner, or fatter, but not fundamentally different." In the next hundred years -- a time span crystal ball watchers feel fairly comfortable with -- the U.S.-based World Future Society sees a globe with more geriatrics and fewer languages, scarcer water, and many more pets. There will be widespread infertility but people will also have bio-monitoring devices that resemble wristwatches and provide wearers with data about their health. On the technology front, McRae hopes the Internet will enable services such as medical care to achieve the same sort of consistency of output in the near future that production lines brought to manufacturing in the 20th century. British Telecom's resident futurologist Ian Pearson foresees lots of fun new gadgets in the coming years, such as active contact lenses that will work as a kind of teleprompter. For example, the lenses would give you information you need about an old friend whose name you can't quite remember when you meet him on the street. But advanced technology will also bring "kitchen rage" problems because smart fridges will conspire to make you healthier with time locks on the door and a video camera watching what you take out, Pearson predicts. Then the microwave won't cook some meals because they contain too many calories. While the human race exists, Angell thinks it will become more polarised between rich and poor. "The regions that set up forms of government that will support the mobile rich, and will allow them to keep their wealth, are the ones that are going to be successful. They are going to be hot spots," he says. This will include part, but not all, of the United States, says Angell, whose futurist book is entitled "The New Barbarian Manifesto." WORLD IS TURNING MIDDLE CLASS "It will be very bleak for most of the world, but for the hot spots it will be very nice," he says. But William Rees Mogg, columnist for Britain's Times newspaper, predicts the opposite. He thinks the world is turning more middle class. "There will be a permanent majority of the Centre," he wrote recently, forecasting a "stable, prosperous world, with the bourgeois values prevailing in Asia and Euro-America." More concretely, financial writer McRae thinks the European single currency will be consigned to history within 10 years and within 25 years Russia will have recovered from its slump. "I'm quite sure the euro is something which will not go on forever," he says. "It will either be superseded electronically or break up and go into different currencies." Generally, "there is a more prosperous future and if we're sensible that prosperity carrries on," McRae says. But danger could arise after the next generation, beyond 2020, if the United States no longer guaranteed global security. McRae suggests forecasters should keep a sense of proportion about the new millennium. "A lot of things aren't going to change much," he says. "We'll still be in same sort of houses, still eating the same sort of food, still have things that are recognisably television sets. In one generation things don't change that much." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:39:15 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Fwd: What will the world be like (NJC) - --part1_0.b2f254d1.259e0c03_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for not posting NJC to my forwarding of the article from the London Times. I guess this is the MIlleniums last boo boo. - --part1_0.b2f254d1.259e0c03_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (rly-yc04.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.36]) by air-yc05.mail.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:08:24 -0500 Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:08:13 -0500 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [24.30.216.55]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA04972; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:08:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id IAA08990; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:07:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:07:04 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id IAA08975 for joni-outgoing; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:06:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id IAA08967 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:06:02 -0500 (EST) From: MDESTE1@aol.com Received: from MDESTE1@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v24.6.) id p.0.d5502a08 (3949) for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:05:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0.d5502a08.259e0410@aol.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:05:20 EST Subject: What will the world be like To: joni@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 39 Sender: owner-joni@jmdl.com Reply-To: MDESTE1@aol.com Precedence: bulk What will life be like in 3000? What life? Updated 7:30 PM ET December 30, 1999 By Susan Cornwell LONDON, Dec 31 (Reuters) - In the long run, we'll all be dead. That at least is the grim 1,000-year outlook from London School of Economics professor Ian Angell, who can't imagine humanity surviving for another millennium. "There isn't going to be a human race in 1,000 years," says Angell, author of a forthcoming book on the future. That's because the world has too many people already, he says, and they are "using up the seed corn." Earth may be scarcely inhabitable anyway in the year 3000, according to a British climate prediction centre that says global warming could make the planet twice as hot by then if current consumption rates of fossil fuels continue. If that happened the West Antarctic ice sheet would disintegrate, making the sea rise up to five metres and swallow up whole countries, says Hadley Centre head Geoff Jenkins. "You're changing the climate so fundamentally that many societies would need to substantially adjust or even relocate to survive -- if they could," he told the Independent newspaper. With the third millennium after the birth of Jesus Christ dawning on Saturday, not all forecasts are so apocalyptic. But the ideas popular a generation ago -- such as the belief that the future could bring a sort of utopia or super-human race capable of just about anything -- seem less widespread now. "I can't predict a thousand years... But I think one thing you can say is that people will have the same sort of brains," says Hamish McRae, a financial writer and author of the 1995 book "The World in 2020." NO FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE IN 3000 "Today we have the same brains as the Romans" who lived 2,000 years ago, McRae says. So in 3000, "maybe we'll be a bit taller, or thinner, or fatter, but not fundamentally different." In the next hundred years -- a time span crystal ball watchers feel fairly comfortable with -- the U.S.-based World Future Society sees a globe with more geriatrics and fewer languages, scarcer water, and many more pets. There will be widespread infertility but people will also have bio-monitoring devices that resemble wristwatches and provide wearers with data about their health. On the technology front, McRae hopes the Internet will enable services such as medical care to achieve the same sort of consistency of output in the near future that production lines brought to manufacturing in the 20th century. British Telecom's resident futurologist Ian Pearson foresees lots of fun new gadgets in the coming years, such as active contact lenses that will work as a kind of teleprompter. For example, the lenses would give you information you need about an old friend whose name you can't quite remember when you meet him on the street. But advanced technology will also bring "kitchen rage" problems because smart fridges will conspire to make you healthier with time locks on the door and a video camera watching what you take out, Pearson predicts. Then the microwave won't cook some meals because they contain too many calories. While the human race exists, Angell thinks it will become more polarised between rich and poor. "The regions that set up forms of government that will support the mobile rich, and will allow them to keep their wealth, are the ones that are going to be successful. They are going to be hot spots," he says. This will include part, but not all, of the United States, says Angell, whose futurist book is entitled "The New Barbarian Manifesto." WORLD IS TURNING MIDDLE CLASS "It will be very bleak for most of the world, but for the hot spots it will be very nice," he says. But William Rees Mogg, columnist for Britain's Times newspaper, predicts the opposite. He thinks the world is turning more middle class. "There will be a permanent majority of the Centre," he wrote recently, forecasting a "stable, prosperous world, with the bourgeois values prevailing in Asia and Euro-America." More concretely, financial writer McRae thinks the European single currency will be consigned to history within 10 years and within 25 years Russia will have recovered from its slump. "I'm quite sure the euro is something which will not go on forever," he says. "It will either be superseded electronically or break up and go into different currencies." Generally, "there is a more prosperous future and if we're sensible that prosperity carrries on," McRae says. But danger could arise after the next generation, beyond 2020, if the United States no longer guaranteed global security. McRae suggests forecasters should keep a sense of proportion about the new millennium. "A lot of things aren't going to change much," he says. "We'll still be in same sort of houses, still eating the same sort of food, still have things that are recognisably television sets. In one generation things don't change that much." - --part1_0.b2f254d1.259e0c03_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:03:40 -0500 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: My Top 5, 10... and more Ok here goes(in no particular order)... 1. David Sylvian-Dead Bees on a Cake (i just love this album...its like a long meditation...excellent players as always...I surrender) 2.Jonatha Brooke-Live (saw her twice this year and hope to see her again in 2000) 3.Michelle Malone-Homegrown(incredible singer out of Atlanta with just a killer voice...and really good songs as well) 4.Indigo Girls-Live at the Tabernacle '99(not released) -(I had found I was not listening to them much at home recently but I went to see them in December and found they still have a magic when they play...their songs really come alive. I especially like the songs on which the crowd is singing along. It gives them a very warm feel...when I listen to this on headphones I feel as if I am right there, surrounded by it all. 5. Victor Johnson-Tangled (this isn't an ego trip-I truly love what I do and don't mind saying so. Just getting this cd together this year was quite an accomplishment. I remember having to record everything myself, having to work around barking dogs, MARTA buses, and loud, booming, car stereos playing rap music. I even had to use my feet to do punch ins--I learned how to manipulate the Adat remote with my toes. So far I've only received excellent feedback and I thank the people on this list (Bob and others) who have taken time to listen. Since I have no great marketing campaign yet, I appreciate your taking an interest in my music. I did recently receive word from Oasis in Virginia that they were including one of my songs on their next sampler cd which will be distributed to radio nationwide so hopefully that will generate some exposure. Also, this coming year I plan to start working on a new cd, which will be called American Beauty, and will have what I think are the best songs I've ever written. If you haven't heard my cd and would like to, visit -- theorchard.com-- or contact me for information on how to order one.) best unexpected musical moment-- My girlfriend Holly and I had just eaten dinner and wanted to go see a movie but somehow we managed to leave the restaurant at a time after everything had already started and nothing else would start for over an hour. But we noticed the theatre down the street had a movie starting in a half hour so we thought we'd check it out. The movie, Last Night, was the worst movie I have ever seen, just awful. But when we walked in the theatre 20 minutes early, the entire album John Coltrane and Johnny Hartman was playing on the stereo. I couldn't believe it, my favorite album of all times just playing away in an empty theatre (we walked in on the first song too!) These unexpected occurances seem to be woven into the thread of life. You just never really know where you'll end up, what you'll be doing, or who you'll be doing it with. But I guess that's the beauty of it all. Victor ND: cup of coffee, black ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 16:05:37 +0100 From: "Arne Klindt" Subject: Delurking- NJC Hi y'all, I've been following the discussions on this list for some time now, and I'm truly amazed how many talented, caring and, well, NORMAL people (that's not derogatory, i guess everyone of you has experienced some kind of electronic-communication-weirdness) are attracted by Joni's art. I always enjoy reading the digest and belatedly wish all of you a HAPPY NEW YEAR! Arne a.klindt@gmx.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:45:03 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Joni 98 Video (Canadian) I think the video referred to is not the 1994 MuchMusic studio concert but the CBC's chopped-up, hour-long version of PWWAM, broadcast in November 1998. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:11:00 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: My Top 5, 10... and more In a message dated 12/31/99 7:55:33 AM US Central Standard Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: << 2.Jonatha Brooke-Live (saw her twice this year and hope to see her again in 2000)>> Yay! We even saw the same show Victor, here in Greenville, SC at The Handlebar! Maybe she'll come back around...if so, you know you got a place to hang your hat if you need it! Maybe you can open for her! <<3.Michelle Malone-Homegrown(incredible singer out of Atlanta with just a killer voice...and really good songs as well) >> I have an old record of hers, "New Experience", which is VERY good! I haven't seen her live yet but she's always here, so I'll "resolve" to do that in 2000. Wonder why she never broke through to the bigtime? She's got the songs and the voice, she tours a lot, seems like she's been on the brink forever but can't get over. To my ears she's as good as Sheryl Crow... Well, off to be NORMAL...(Hi Arne, and welcome! - thanks for de-lurking, come out and play more often!) Bob NP: R.L. Burnside, "Georgia Women" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:22:07 -0500 From: Julie Webb Subject: NJC: HPPYNYear2000 Dear Jmdlers, When I think of New Year's Eve, for some reason, it reminds me of Peggy Lee's "Is That All There Is?" And what's wierd is that I am not an "IsThatAllThereIs" kind-of-person. What was it about this song that made such an impression on people? ----JulieZWebb "I remember, when I was a little girl, our house caught on fire. I'll never forget the look on my father's face as he gathered me up in his arms and raced through the burning building onto the pavement. And I stood there, shivering in my pajamas and watched the whole world go up in flames. And when it was all over, I said to myself, "Is that all there is to a fire?" Is that all there is? Is that all there is? If that's all there is, my friends Then let's keep dancing Let's break out the booze And have a ball If that's all, there is And when I was 12 years old, my daddy took me to the circus. The greatest show on earth. There were clowns and elephants and dancing bears and a beautiful lady in pink tights flew high above our heads. And as I sat there, watching, I had the feeling that something was missing. I don't know what, but when it was all over, I said to myself, "Is that all there is to the circus?" And then I fell in love with the most wonderful boy in the world. We'd take long walks down by the river, or just sit for hours gazing into each other's eyes, we were so very much in love. And then one day, you went away, and I thought I'd die but I didn't. And when I didn't, I said to myself, "Is that all there is to love?" "then let's keep..." I know what you must be saying to yourselves, "If that's the way she feels about it, why doesn't she just end it all?" Oh no, not me, I'm not ready for that final disappointment, 'cause I know, just as well as I'm standing here talking to you, that when that final moment comes and I'm breathing my last breath, I'll be saying to myself.....Is that all there is? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:30:33 +0000 From: catman Subject: New YearNJC I wish all of you peace for this new year. I think espeially of Wally B, that he may be well. Also of Penny and her husband, that he too may be well. Of Ric, that his family and wife find peace. And also of Jason, that this new year may bring him relief. And to anyone else who may be suffering, I wish you all love and peace. with love colin - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 10:38:44 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Millennium Countdown #1 #1 The Beatles How about linking each of fab four to Joni also? We've already done Lennon and McCartney. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 14:09:44 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Happy New Year (NJC) I had something lengthy to say, but I'm running late so I'll be brief. 1999 was a wonderful year for me in so many ways, but one of the best things to happen was the JMDL. Even though I joined about 2 years ago, I would briefly read the digests and never posted. It wasn't until 1999 that I started reading every post, and I finally made my first plunge and delurked. The JMDL has become a part of my life. Some of my friends don't quite understand, but many do and think it's great. I just wanted every one of you 600 plus people that you are part of my family, posters and lurkers alike. I have made some wonderful friends through this discussion group. There are so many people who have made me laugh and cry, those who have taught me so much more about Joni, those who have shared their music, turned me on to new musicians, books, movies, and so many who have taught me about life. I wish I had the time to mention everyone who has really touched my life, but you know who you are. I want to thank Wally Breese and Les Irvin for making all of this possible. To Joni (if you're reading the post on New Year's Eve), I thank you for all of the music, poetry, and art that you have created for the world. You are a remarkable woman who has inspired so many people. I love you Joni!!! Everyone have a Happy New Year, and I look forward to another great year on the JMDL. I can't wait to meet so many of you in New Orleans. Love to Everyone!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:39:16 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Millennium Countdown #1 Penny wrote: > > #1 The Beatles > > How about linking each of fab four to Joni also? We've already done > Lennon and McCartney. > George Harrison and Joni both employed Robbin Ford in their touring bands. George played guitar on Cheech and Chong's "Basketball Jones". C&C appeared on C&S. Get well George! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:40:54 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Millennium Countdown #1 Penny wrote: > > #1 The Beatles > > How about linking each of fab four to Joni also? We've already done > Lennon and McCartney. > Ringo and Joni both played at The Band's "The Last Waltz" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:40:16 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Millennium Countdown #1 Randy brilliantly connected the last of the Fabs: << Ringo and Joni both played at The Band's "The Last Waltz" >> Another cool link to Joni & The Beatles, I was just listening today the the Joni/James Taylor stuff from the Tape Tree, and just before they do a duet (either Case of You or You Can Close Your Eyes), Joni starts to sing "What would you do if I sang out of tune..." Penny, since this is the last one of these, I'll give you a tip of the ol' Trailblazers cap for your work in passing this list on down to us. It's been a lot of fun doing the six degrees thing with 'em and I think it sparked some good discussions too! Happy New Year to all!! Bob NP: Rainy Night House from MOA (I forget sometimes how great THIS live effort is...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 16:09:19 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Favorite New Years Songs (NJC) 10 songs to play at Midnight (not in any special order) 10) All Night Long----Lionel Ritchie 9) Everybody Must Get Stoned---Bob Dylan 8) Helter Skelter---The Beatles 7) Wont Get Fooled Again---The Who 6) Out of the Business Into Rock and Roll---The Tubes 5) The Walls Came Down---The Call 4) You MIght Think---The Cars 3) Shes The One---Bruce Springsteen 2) Sharp Dressed Man---ZZ Topp 1) 1999 Prince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 20:56:48 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: New YearNJC Three hours to go here in Britain, so I've just got time to weigh in with my own New Year/Millennium post. Colin, this was such a kind sentiment, and one which I would also like to extend to anyone who is experiencing pain and hardship. I feel pretty *lost* on nights like this, but at least I'm still here..... My very best to you all, Jason. catman wrote: > I wish all of you peace for this new year. > I think espeially of Wally B, that he may be well. Also of Penny and her > husband, that he too may be well. Of Ric, that his family and wife find > peace. And also of Jason, that this new year may bring him relief. And > to anyone else who may be suffering, I wish you all love and peace. > with love > colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 13:42:45 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Glenn Plotner Subject: Turning Toward Tomorrow With half the planet in 2000 and half in 1999, let me wish us all a wonderful next 1000 years. Time is an experience of motion, a free fall through space to sights unseen. May we discover there a myth not bound by superstition and a science not disconnected from the soul of tomorrow's gathering. Peace and urgency to all. :)-) Robert __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 14:14:03 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Millennium Countdown #1 <> Thanks, Bob baby! (Sorry, the kids forced me to watch Austin Powers last night. ;-) It was fun, although it got pretty embarrassing when the KINK countdown started resembling their playlist of the last 30 years instead of showing much critical objectivity. If the placement of some of the artists wasn't bad enough, the complete omission of many, made me even more committed in my stance to not participate in ballot stuffing polls. ;-( Here's the link if anyone wants to see the complete list. KINK FM 102 | 102 Millennium Countdown Maybe some feel like giving their personal top ten? Would Joni be in it? Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:13:43 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: mini new millenium jmdl gathering in nyc; 1/3/00 ashara came back from the dead and postscripted: >Oh, P.S.!!! Any New York City dwellers, or those that are willing to come into the city on January 3rd, I am coming into town, and have the night free for a mini Joni get together. Let me or Patrick (trxschwa@bway.net) know if you are free that night, and interested in joining us. so it looks like the first jmdl gathering of the millenium will be here in nyc! we haven't figured out what we're going to do, but we'll have some fun, for sure... so far it's definitely kay ashley, kenny grant, ashara and i. and happy new year to all of you, round the globe. you brighten my life. patrick np - eva cassidy - songbird ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 14:31:22 -0500 From: Julie Webb Subject: njc: Moveez2C Jmdl film lovers, My favorite holiday movie release so far: "Any Given Sunday, " yes, this Oliver Stone (brilliantly) directed-football movie is my favorite----and I NEVER enjoyed football nor did I ever care to understand the game. (I didn't even want to go to this 2 hr and 40 minute movie.) But Al Pacino and newcomer, Jamie Foxx scored acting touchdowns in my book. And Cameron Diaz scores too as she is so so so much better when playing gritty as opposed to tinseling it up as "nice." Most disappointing movie: Andy Kaufmann's "Man On The Moon" Although I rather like Jim Carey, the movie was boring boring boring and here's a movie I **wanted** to go to. The best visual massage movie release: "The Talented Mr. Ripley, " is gorgeously photographed in sun-drenched Italy with a stellar cast. What a juicy role for Jude Law as the charismatic bad-but-totally-fetching rich boy with homoerotic magnetism. I still have problems being convinced that Matt Damon can come across as a boy from the wrong side of the tracks. To me, his look is the epitome of preppy elitism. Instead of Matt, I think it would be more dramatic to see someone like John Cusack "transform" himself from a working class bloke to top-drawer lineage----especially because what fuels the whole film is a study of rich young Americans in Europe in the 50's who arrive to reinvent themselves. My new favorite, Philip Seymour Hoffman, is the film's scene stealer as the story's "odious playboy snob, " says the NYTimes. (He really is that deliciously dry with his lockjaw affectation.) Tomorrow we see "Mansfield Park." -JulieZWebb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 18:42:53 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Tribute Tape 98-99? Chuck E was kind enough to send me a copy of the last Joni Tribute tape. There were some really great performances on them. Does anyone out there have a list of who the performers were on the tape. I can recognize a couple of performers because they repeated their songs at Jonifest99 but others I dont recall ever hearing. Chuck hasnt posted so I have been unable to email him and the envelope eluded my search today. If someone has a list out there I would really appreciate it. BTW we were watching the Millenium celebration from Paris and what an incredible fireworks demonstration on the Eiffel Tower. cheers. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 19:01:52 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Turning Toward Tomorrow In a message dated 12/31/99 3:44:28 PM US Central Standard Time, ignatzmouse2@yahoo.com writes: << May we discover there a myth not bound by superstition and a science not disconnected from the soul of tomorrow's gathering. >> Tomorrow's gathering!? Are y'all throwing a party that I don't know about? :~D Bob NP: U2, "If God Would Send His Angels" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 19:04:56 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: njc: Moveez2C In a message dated 12/31/99 5:42:22 PM US Central Standard Time, jzw@visint.com writes: << The best visual massage movie release: "The Talented Mr. Ripley, " is gorgeously photographed in sun-drenched Italy with a stellar cast. >> But of course, Julie. It's an Anthony Minghella film. Remember how "pretty" his last film, "The English Patient" was? "Ripley" wasn't as good as that one, but it was good, very disturbing in places. Thanks for the thumbs down on "Man In the Moon" - all I've heard is bad about that one. Anybody seen "Cider House Rules" yet? That's on my list too... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 16:21:50 PST From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Another List!! Hey, All, On today's Fresh Air (NPR) Ken Tucker (FA'S Rock Critic) named the best 10 best tracks of rock....... Our Queens' 'River' was on the list...along with Randy Newman, Al Green, Elvis Costello, The Beatles, and a couple others I didn't catch. He put Joni and Randy in the best of the singer/songwriter category, saying that almost none of the current/new females on the scene would be here but for La Mitchell. He mentioned Carol King (and why not?) but definitely had Joni as the Big One. And another Happy New Year to you all, Love, Russ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 20:09:37 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: The JM Companion I just received a copy as a gift and I have read through it hurriedly. Congratulations to Stacy Luftig on a good selection of commentary and beautiful cover photo. A couple of minor factual errors: Mingus' autobiography is entitled "Beneath the Underdog" and the Lambert, Hendricks & Ross lp was called The Hottest New Group in Jazz. Schirmers' copyeditors performed carelessly on this project. I sympathize with Ms Lustig if she was frustrated on reading galleys or page proofs and seeing, for example, two different spellings of the name of JM's grandson, only to be told "It's too late to fix this." IMHO, Perry Meisel's review of HEJIRA is ludicrous. Wishing you all a Happy New Year, DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 01:26:14 +0000 From: catman Subject: Into 2000 safelyNJC For the first time in many years we actually went out tonight. We went into the main stree where a Fair was talking place. Loads of people. No trouble. We took two of the dogs with us, stopped at a Pub for a while and then made our way home. Saw the New year in and phone friends to say Happy New year. I am so happy. peace at last. Whoever said life begins at 40 was right! I was told by some one that by 40 i would have sorted thinbgs ouyt and they were right! At 40 i found out about this place. Moved here. fiinished therapy. no meds. At 41 I am in my own home, have a wonderful partner, great friends, my dogs and cats, positive self regard, faith, health, and although i don;t have the body I woyld have liked i don't giove a shit about it anymore! Size is not what counts! When i was a teen i just knew I would be dead by now or locked up. well, I was locked up a few times but no more I am sure, and i am not dead and sane. NEVER ever give up hoping, never give up at all, work at your self and you will experience life like you never thought possible. really i have worked my way out of the gutter to where I am now. And if I can you can. the gutter reference is literal-I lived on the streets with all the punks and drag queens and pros and pimps-and they ttreated me well and looked after me. Love got me where I am today. it isn't just a word. It is real. For so long i believed I didn't deserve love, that God didn't accept me as i am. He has shown me otherwise. And people on this list have shown it to me, and some have shown the opposite which has been really good as it taught me what was real and what t wasn't. Love really is the answer. Have a great 2000 everyone. love always colin - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 20:38:30 +0000 From: Alan Larson Subject: Man on the Moon OK, I know I have a tendency to not be critical at all about movies I see. I try to enjoy everything, for the stuff that is appealing to me at least. But I just have to say that I thought Man in the Moon was very well done. I would expect nothing less from Milos Forman, of Cuckoo's Nest. It casts characters very well, as it takes someone like Jim Carrey to try to capture Kaufmann's lunacy. Of course the big surprise in the story is that Kaufmann really was somewhat looney. Unless you followed many of the stories in the news about him, which I hadn't, most people I feel have no idea how screwed up he was. That's what made the movie both excellent and annoying. And it all comes down to his alter-ego, his Clare Quilty, his Tony Clifton character. And to his attitude that somehow most of American audiences don't deserve his respect, but his scorn. He felt that sit-coms were beneath him. And that audiences were worthy adversaries. The scene where he gets mad at the college crowd who only wanted to hear Latka impressions was brilliant, and boring, but definitely one that stays with you. I once ate at a Chinese restaurant in San Francisco's Chinatown that had a waiter named Sam Wo. He was the Don Rickles of waiters, and people would line up for half a block or so to get on his floor in this hole in the wall place. And Sam would hit on all the ladies shamelessly, while yelling at the boyfriends to get their own water. He called all the guys Pussycat. If people can actually enjoy being treated like this, maybe Kaufmann was right. The scene that showed his total brilliance, to me, was where he asks his TM guru what makes something funny. To which he said "Silence." And that's when he came up with the idea for the Mighty Mouse skit, as funny as anything he did in my book. ( he put on the mighty mouse 45, and would fidget until the chorus came around, then he would lipsync "Here he comes to save the day." And I thought that they gave short shrift to the show Taxi, as it was quite ahead of its time in tackling some serious issues, and was pretty innovative for its time. But overall, I think it was quite enjoyable, and although not a cinematic feast for the eyes, a great expose of the dynamic insanity that made Kaufmann both a tortured and brilliant artist. Can anyone tell me if they were really suggesting at the end that that was Kaufmann doing Tony Clifton, a year after his funeral? Maybe a Tom Sawyer trick? or just a clever way to make you think that despite it's impossibility. They made a point of showing Zmuda in the scene, who you thought was the one playing Clifton, cuz he had done it before. I like Lady or the Tiger endings. Anybody agree with me on this review? I think that as long as a movie makes you think, and smile, and maybe shed a tear, then it's a good movie. This one did that for me. For sure. "Thank you very much." alan in ames, iowa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 01:58:58 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: 2nd try at links file://cdnow.com/switch/from=sr-159240/target=webbuy_products/artfs=joni+mit chell file://cdu2.cduniverse.com/asp/exactartist.asp?search=Mitchell,+Joni&frm=lk_ jmdl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 23:12:05 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: New YearNJC Happy New Year Jimdles! This, my first year on the JMDL, has been a terrific mixed bag of experiences. From Joni info, lyrical insights and musical enrichment to pure fun and enjoyment, to meaningful friendships made, to opportunities for emotional and spiritual growth through encounters with a diversity of personalities. Thank you all. Colin wrote: <> A genuine expression desiring peace will always bring an invitation to work for harmony from me as well. Romans 12:18 "If possible, so much as it depends on you, be at peace with all men", has always been a verse and concept I've held close to my heart. Colin, please feel free to contact me privately. Hugs and my love to each of you, Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 02:31:02 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Buying CDs In an earlier post was a pair of links to e-stores selling CDs. Each of the e-stores with refund 5% of sales, made from these links, to offset the cost of operating the Joni Mitchell Discussion List. Please consider using them as a way to thank Les for all that he has done for the JM Internet community. 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